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This is amazing...
Topic Started: Apr 19 2010, 07:53 PM (349 Views)
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A three-year-old boy brought back from the dead after his heart stopped beating for three hours has told how he saw his great-grandmother in Heaven.

http://newsblaze.com/story/20100411112619reye.nb/topstory.html

Things like this really make me happy
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nice article mate :)
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I just hope it's true.
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sometimes things dont have to be true, just the thought made you happy!!!
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I wonder which heaven it was? :huh:
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Is this more proof to a Spiritual dimension . whatever the reason this young laddie lived you cant just blatantly discredit his testimony of what he said he seen. There is more to life then a physical realm what we see.
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Heaven? ~ Wouldn't have bumped into Hitler or Saddam there then!!!

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Apr 19 2010, 08:10 PM
Is this more proof to a Spiritual dimension . whatever the reason this young laddie lived you cant just blatantly discredit his testimony of what he said he seen. There is more to life then a physical realm what we see.
Well my moms dad died last year, in January 2009. Anyway months went by, I think it was in December 2009. All was quiet about 1/2 o'clock, my mom shouted me. I walked in and she was sat up crying her eyes out saying she had just seen her dad in the corner of her room with his hand up as if to say goodbye.

I believe it as I know my mom would not bulls**t.
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Apr 19 2010, 08:15 PM
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Apr 19 2010, 08:10 PM
Is this more proof to a Spiritual dimension . whatever the reason this young laddie lived you cant just blatantly discredit his testimony of what he said he seen. There is more to life then a physical realm what we see.
Well my moms dad died last year, in January 2009. Anyway months went by, I think it was in December 2009. All was quiet about 1/2 o'clock, my mom shouted me. I walked in and she was sat up crying her eyes out saying she had just seen her dad in the corner of her room with his hand up as if to say goodbye.

I believe it as I know my mom would not bulls**t.
That must've been nice for her in it's own way, as well as scary! Who knows what is to come (or what's out there!).
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If I want the answers to life, the universe and everything, I'm not going to ask a 3 year old.

Glad he survived (and that he had a nice a nice dream).
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Apr 19 2010, 08:10 PM
Is this more proof to a Spiritual dimension . whatever the reason this young laddie lived you cant just blatantly discredit his testimony of what he said he seen. There is more to life then a physical realm what we see.
Well my moms dad died last year, in January 2009. Anyway months went by, I think it was in December 2009. All was quiet about 1/2 o'clock, my mom shouted me. I walked in and she was sat up crying her eyes out saying she had just seen her dad in the corner of her room with his hand up as if to say goodbye.

I believe it as I know my mom would not bulls**t.
I had a similar experience my father died of cancer when I was 16 after watching him waste away for months it was the first time me and my sister left the house together anyway got on the bus and I had a awful empty feeling inside I turned to my sister and said dad died we got of the bus ran home and mum said dad died a few minutes after we left the house he must of waited unto there was no kids around.

People can say its this reason or that reason but I know it went beyond human emotion
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sorry but a lack of oxygen to the brain for 5 mins would result in severe brain damage let alone 3 hrs can't find this story believable at all
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It will be only after we die that we will find out just what is or not beyond this life. It,s fastinating to discuss it though.

I have often wondered why we cant all have contact with the departed. You hear stories of those who have done, but i,m not convinced.

I will try to let you know when I move on :)
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Apr 19 2010, 08:32 PM
I had a similar experience my father died of cancer when I was 16 after watching him waste away for months it was the first time me and my sister left the house together anyway got on the bus and I had a awful empty feeling inside I turned to my sister and said dad died we got of the bus ran home and mum said dad died a few minutes after we left the house he must of waited unto there was no kids around.

I left work at 4.05 because I felt something was wrong, got home and it was the time my dad had died. Never been able to explain it, but cant say I ever wanted to.

26 years ago...
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Apr 19 2010, 08:01 PM
I just hope it's true.
Its not true , when you die thats it .....game over . Have a nice day
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When I die, LCFC will be top of premiership in heaven and there will be no deaths or suicide bombers :)
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sorry, It will be Wycombe Wanderers top, The London Wasps will win everything and I will be able to drink without getting drunk...
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Although it's be great for it to be true I reckon ghosts and spirits etc are just mumbo jumbo. Wishful thinking by minds crying out for meaning when confronted by loss.
Also, it's cultural. People from different cultures and religions who have had near death experiences report things that are culturally specific. Unless each culture and religious affiliation has their own ''afterlife'' one must assume these hallucinations are a result of memory, misfiring synapses, latent suggestion, oxygen deprivation derived hallucinations and euphoria and myriad other entirely natural phenomena.

The human mind is an amazing thing, it falls prey to suggestion so easily. That's why eye witness testimony is never relied on in court.
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I'm not going to die. I'm going to become a super conscious cyborg that has control of every device connected to the internet, and create heaven on Earth, and beyond, for everyone in the Milkyway Galaxy... Should be fun. :D
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Apr 19 2010, 08:13 PM
Heaven? ~ Wouldn't have bumped into Hitler or Saddam there then!!!

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Hi JB

Well funnily enough the boy is German and lives just outside Berlin according to Yahoo News. As such that would mean that his great grandmother was a German and alive during WWII. So obviously his great grandfather would have been alive during WWII and would have served in the war effort however he didn't see him in heaven.. uh oh.

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Apr 19 2010, 08:22 PM
If I want the answers to life, the universe and everything, I'm not going to ask a 3 year old.

Glad he survived (and that he had a nice a nice dream).
Hi Knuckles

It will be interesting to see if this story turns out to be true. If it is then what I would find intriguing is that this was the story of a 3 year old. That is I would find it hard to believe that a 3 year old who would have very little concept of death and anything like an afterlife to lie in such a way.

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Apr 19 2010, 10:07 PM
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Apr 19 2010, 08:22 PM
If I want the answers to life, the universe and everything, I'm not going to ask a 3 year old.

Glad he survived (and that he had a nice a nice dream).
Hi Knuckles

It will be interesting to see if this story turns out to be true. If it is then what I would find intriguing is that this was the story of a 3 year old. That is I would find it hard to believe that a 3 year old who would have very little concept of death and anything like an afterlife to lie in such a way.

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Depends what the 3 year old said and how it was interpreted. He could've said "I dreamt about granny" and between saying that and the report could have been re-interpreted as "I died and saw granny".

This story offers no proof whatsoever. I think the fact that a child was rescued from a near-death situation should be the story here.
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Can`t say I`m convinced on this story to be honest.
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How can we question and dis-believe anything when we look at the marvels of our own existence?
Denying the existence of the afterlife is Mans deluded way of hiding from that which he does not yet understand.
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Its the placebo effect I like...
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Apr 19 2010, 08:32 PM
sorry but a lack of oxygen to the brain for 5 mins would result in severe brain damage let alone 3 hrs can't find this story believable at all
Hi Clac

Like you I would need some confirmation of this story before making an educated judgment. That said there have been plenty of people pronounced dead that weren't really dead at all that showed no signs of a pulse or any respiratory action and many of these have gone on far longer than 3 hours.

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I do believe in an afterlife, i do believe in spirits, i do believe in a great "architect", a creating force.

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Apr 19 2010, 10:18 PM
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Apr 19 2010, 08:32 PM
sorry but a lack of oxygen to the brain for 5 mins would result in severe brain damage let alone 3 hrs can't find this story believable at all
Hi Clac

Like you I would need some confirmation of this story before making an educated judgment. That said there have been plenty of people pronounced dead that weren't really dead at all that showed no signs of a pulse or any respiratory action and many of these have gone on far longer than 3 hours.

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You are right in what you say - according to reports I have read.

Personally, I have never seen it happen after that long. I have seen Medics resus for a good hour (and its knackering!!) with no joy. If the report is true, at what point do medics stop the resus procedure?
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Apr 19 2010, 08:52 PM
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Apr 19 2010, 08:32 PM
I had a similar experience my father died of cancer when I was 16 after watching him waste away for months it was the first time me and my sister left the house together anyway got on the bus and I had a awful empty feeling inside I turned to my sister and said dad died we got of the bus ran home and mum said dad died a few minutes after we left the house he must of waited unto there was no kids around.

I left work at 4.05 because I felt something was wrong, got home and it was the time my dad had died. Never been able to explain it, but cant say I ever wanted to.

26 years ago...
Hi Studio

I had a rather odd experience with the passing of my own father. That is the nurses had turned him in his hospital bed towards where I was sitting. At this point he was not conscious and hadn't been for the number of hours I had been at his bedside. After they had done this I decided to get myself a hot drink. I walked away from the bed and got about 5 yards and something instinctively told me to go back to him.

I lent over the bed towards his face and got within around 8 inches of eye to eye. Closer than I would normally have done and at that very moment he opened his eyes one last time and died. Now that might seem quite odd in itself however as I sat with him as it were a nurse rushed in and approached me.

She said she had been with my father in the early hours i.e. around 01.00 and when she heard he had died had come immediately to see me. Like my father she was a Catholic and she had taken Mass with him or whatever it is Catholics do at such times. She told me that he had said to her that he knew he was going to die that day and that he wouldn't do so until he saw his son (me) for one final time and that I would be the last person he ever saw.

Whilst I wouldn't say this experience has led to some kind of spiritual conversion it is and I think everyone would agree bizarre to the say the least and the odds would be severely stacked against pure coincidence.

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There are stories that have come out of resus rooms across the Country where people have said they `exited` their body while they were being `brought back` to life. They could see what was going on. If you ever go into a resus room - some have a ledge running around the room about a foot from the ceiling. Some, and only some, hospitals have numbers written on the ledge - which you can only view from ceiling level. If the patient leaves the body and looks down on `themselves` - they can prove it by telling staff what the numbers were. You may think its madness, but there are at least 2 hospitals in the UK that do this.
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If I found myself on a ledge half way up a wall in a resus room, last thing I am gonna look at is numbers.... ;)
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We opened up the attic at my mams old back in 1981 and my brother lived up there and said there was strange things but you never know with dope and alcohol but when he moved out and i moved up there sometimes i would see a slow motion smoke at the bottom of the bed and in the dark and i used to think it was the beer so i go back to sleep but other times when i had not been drinking and i saw it i had to go to sleep with the lights on as it was too weird.
Then one night i mate slept over so i put a spare matress on the floor which was at the bottom of my bed and the next day he said he woke up in the middle of the night and there was a some strange smoke above him.
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If I want the answers to life, the universe and everything, I'm not going to ask a 3 year old.

Glad he survived (and that he had a nice a nice dream).
Hi Knuckles

It will be interesting to see if this story turns out to be true. If it is then what I would find intriguing is that this was the story of a 3 year old. That is I would find it hard to believe that a 3 year old who would have very little concept of death and anything like an afterlife to lie in such a way.

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Depends what the 3 year old said and how it was interpreted. He could've said "I dreamt about granny" and between saying that and the report could have been re-interpreted as "I died and saw granny".

This story offers no proof whatsoever. I think the fact that a child was rescued from a near-death situation should be the story here.
Hi Knuckles

Well this is what the report said..

The professor added: "But then suddenly his heart started to beat again ... it was a fantastic miracle.

"I've been doing this job for 30 years and have never seen anything like this.

"It goes to show the human body is a very resilient organism and you should never give up. The boy is happy and healthy. It's a wonderful thing."

He told daily newspaper Bild: "Paul said to his parents, 'I was with Oma (granny) Emmi in Heaven. She told me to go back really quickly.'"

As stated I guess this comes down to whether this is really true. Would a 3 year old know about Heaven at that age? You would have to imagine that Heaven would be somewhat overcrowded by now what with Gods policy of letting any old sinner in as long as they repent.
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sorry but a lack of oxygen to the brain for 5 mins would result in severe brain damage let alone 3 hrs can't find this story believable at all
Hi Clac

Like you I would need some confirmation of this story before making an educated judgment. That said there have been plenty of people pronounced dead that weren't really dead at all that showed no signs of a pulse or any respiratory action and many of these have gone on far longer than 3 hours.

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You are right in what you say - according to reports I have read.

Personally, I have never seen it happen after that long. I have seen Medics resus for a good hour (and its knackering!!) with no joy. If the report is true, at what point do medics stop the resus procedure?
Hi MJ

Apparently the water in which the boy apparently drowned was cold which is apparently why they kept trying to bring him back. That is the chilling effect would give a bigger window to bring him back without brain damage. I guess the principles of cryogenics to a point.

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Yep, I realise that. But there have been odd occasions where people have been brought back from other `accidents` - not involving water or cold. It does happen apparently.
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There are stories that have come out of resus rooms across the Country where people have said they `exited` their body while they were being `brought back` to life. They could see what was going on. If you ever go into a resus room - some have a ledge running around the room about a foot from the ceiling. Some, and only some, hospitals have numbers written on the ledge - which you can only view from ceiling level. If the patient leaves the body and looks down on `themselves` - they can prove it by telling staff what the numbers were. You may think its madness, but there are at least 2 hospitals in the UK that do this.
Hi MJ

What you are referring to here is known as 'remote viewing'. It has not only been reported in the cases you describe however some long distance runners have reported the same thing. In the case of the long distance runners it has been attributed to brainwave frequency. Effectively the runners go into a kind of trance as their mind separates from body.

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Don`t know about the runners mate, or `remote viewing`. I am referring to a person leaving their own `shell` so to speak when their heart goes off for a bit. Never heard that about runners - interesting.
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astral projection if you like weed...
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They say your soul is in your head not your heart.
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Just read this thread and am now sat here freezing. I believe in life after death, there is definitely something after this life.

Back to the story though, I read this in the paper earlier and thought what a fantastic story it was, I hope it is tue, but then I love a happy ending :)
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Thanks, guy.

"He told daily newspaper Bild: "Paul said to his parents, 'I was with Oma (granny) Emmi in Heaven. She told me to go back really quickly.'""

My guess is that the doctor made it up or paraphrased the boy from the perspective of his own faith (note his use of the word 'miracle').

But this is purely conjecture and could be biased on my part :)
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