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Apr 19 2010, 06:50 PM
Just don't let Henry back in as he is a blind/deaf liar and only says what suits him.
He make a great dictator.
Hello Duckett. DAC doubts it's you but I could spot your illiterate, racist ramblings a mile off. Good to see that your persecution complex is as acute as always. I'd say we've missed you but I'd be lying.
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Apr 19 2010, 06:07 PM
Hello and welcome

May I ask a question please? Your take on freedom of speach
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We are not hiding DaC. Well you could always check under the bed but all you'll find is some fluff mate. Now please go and irritate elsewere. This forum unlike mumsnet is not vulnerable enough for you, and after all of your many trolling attempts, you'll just keep failing. Get back up when they knock you down per say.
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Apr 19 2010, 06:07 PM
Hello and welcome

May I ask a question please? Your take on freedom of speech
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Don't you think your time would be better spent on clearing out the disgusting individuals

who populate Planet Rugby and take sick delight in trolling forums and causing decent people

to be upset by their sick behaviour? Why don't you do something about the obnoxious scum

you associate with instead of pityfully trying to excuse their bully boy tactics?
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i think daiyoung should be used for numerous record aptempts
1 the most boring twat
2 the most annoying twat
3 sending as many people to sleep
4 clearing a full happy stadium in shortest time
o i could go on but the thought of him is vulgar only been on today for 5 mins zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Apr 19 2010, 06:54 PM
Don't you think your time would be better spent on cleaning up the disgusting individuals

who populate Planet Rugby and take sick delight in trolling forums and causing decent people

to be upset by their sick behaviour? Why don't you do something about the obnoxious scum

you associate with instead of pityfully trying to excuse their bully boy tactics?
I've excused nothing.

I said the Mumsnet trolling was beyond the pale and have not contributed or defended that thread in the slightest.
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Henry,

After the exploits of PRists around the ether - I don't think you have any moral highground here.
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Apr 19 2010, 06:57 PM
i think daiyoung should be used for numerous record aptempts
1 the most boring twat
2 the most annoying twat
3 sending as many people to sleep
4 clearing a full happy stadium in shortest time
o i could go on but the thought of him is vulgar only been on today for 5 mins zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
You appear to have your knickers in a twist, pal.

If I'm boring or annoying you, f**k off the thread.
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daiyoung
Apr 19 2010, 06:42 PM
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Apr 19 2010, 06:18 PM
'Anyway, I don't quite know why you need 'tough football lads' to march. I thought these events were peaceful. Most people in this country can organise a march without the need for hard nuts to 'bite back'.'

????
so those who follow football and have an occasional tear up arent allowed to oppose radical islam....erm ok?

those in education at uni are allowed to get s**tfaced and piss up war memorials though? and attack anyone they like under the UAF / SWP banner including raising funds and assisting the IRA (SWP) hamas etc (UAF).
im forgetting the last time i saw an orient fan pack a bomb.
Of course football fans and those that have 'an occasional tear up' can oppose radical Islam. Whether I'd want them associated with my movement or speaking for me is another matter.

In terms of your second point, of course it is wrong for students to piss on a war memorial. I don't believe anyone has defended such action - that would be ridiculous. In fact, I believe that the individual responsible has apologised and appreciated his total dismay. Regardless, I wouldn't want him representing me or talking for me if he headed a movement I believed in.

In terms of the UAF and SWP, I know nowt about them but I suppose who have evidence for your accusation that they have raised funds for terrorist organisations such as the IRA and Hamas?

just google the SWP and UAF for their fundraising info.
youll find lots of info if you look in the right places.
id say looking at your arguements that i was opposing the SWP when they were IRA fundraising and organising marches against our troops in ulster when you were in nappys.

strange you know nothing of these orgs...
try dogging their forums , open communists!
instead of some patriotic brits!

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Dai and his cohorts are employing a classic 'strawman' tactic. These people fail to find any valid argument to oppose what the EDL stand for so simply use the diversionary tactic of attacking the leadership in a pathetic attempt bait members into an emotional response.

Personally, I feel there is nothing to be gained from going round in circles with the irrelevant points they try to raise. These rather sad individuals obviously have nothing better to do with their time and are certainly not here to learn anything, but simply to troll the forum for their amusement.

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Apr 19 2010, 06:54 PM
studio
Apr 19 2010, 06:07 PM
Hello and welcome

May I ask a question please? Your take on freedom of speech
My definition of freedom of speech is pretty traditional - speech without censorship and/or limitation.
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz did you say something you bore
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daiyoung
Apr 19 2010, 07:01 PM
studio
Apr 19 2010, 06:54 PM
studio
Apr 19 2010, 06:07 PM
Hello and welcome

May I ask a question please? Your take on freedom of speech
My definition of freedom of speech is pretty traditional - speech without censorship and/or limitation.
does include sending people asleep with being a bore o and sad and lonely
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Apr 19 2010, 06:57 PM
Henry,

After the exploits of PRists around the ether - I don't think you have any moral highground here.
DAC,

What moral high ground?
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let me say something in Defence of Dai Young - he's not a wum, he's actually here to enter into debate - unlike the other guests that have been asked to leave.
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[/quote]"I accept that militant Islamism is a threat and that we should do all we can to combat it but I believe that those that believe Islam to be a fundamentally aggressive/dangerous/evil religion overlook the more unsavoury and extremist aspects of other religions. Christian militias in the US anyone? Sikh extremists in the India?"

Why on earth would the ENGLISH Defence League (the clue is in the name) wish to protest on the streets of Britain about Sikh extremists in India or Christian Fundies in the US?
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i spend my free time going on various forums not to chat make friends learn no i go on them to feel intellectually superior and instigate arguments.
but all i seem to do is BORE everyone even my mum cant stand me for more than 5 mins
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It's said that you learn something new every day and l've just learned something new.

Reading this thread has taught me that it IS possible to be

A muppet

A Troll

And a Smug Supercillious Thick Tosser

All at the same time

Who'd have thought it? :) :) :)
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dai young your a BORE DO ONE
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daiyoung
Apr 19 2010, 06:57 PM
Ruby
Apr 19 2010, 06:54 PM
Don't you think your time would be better spent on cleaning up the disgusting individuals

who populate Planet Rugby and take sick delight in trolling forums and causing decent people

to be upset by their sick behaviour? Why don't you do something about the obnoxious scum

you associate with instead of pityfully trying to excuse their bully boy tactics?
I've excused nothing.

I said the Mumsnet trolling was beyond the pale and have not contributed or defended that thread in the slightest.
Did you tell your colleagues on PR that mumsnet trolling was beyond the pale? ..... thought not.

Yet you think this kind of forum bullying is acceptable:

....Quote, "Hello Duckett. DAC doubts it's you but I could spot your illiterate, racist ramblings a mile off. Good to see that your persecution complex is as acute as always. I'd say we've missed you but I'd be lying."

You are obviously a regular PR member and that alone speaks voulumes about the kind of person you are, by association, so

don't come on here spouting your pre arranged trolling bollox about EDL members.

So, have you done anything to clear out the disgusting trolling scum on PR or not?
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hello
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LONDONsw15
Apr 19 2010, 07:10 PM
dai young your a BORE DO ONE
you remind me of me mate haha :D
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cant stand people like him who feel that because they are educated it automatically makes them superior to someone who hasnt attended the finest schools.
but (DIEYOUNG) it doesnt all it teaches you is grammar and the ability to read a book there are some clever people on here peterp H.S.anumber1 and loads more they are clever not you so do one you bore
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PM system still down Steve, bloody computers... ;)
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daiyoung
Apr 19 2010, 06:52 PM
rudeboy
Apr 19 2010, 06:50 PM
Just don't let Henry back in as he is a blind/deaf liar and only says what suits him.
He make a great dictator.
Hello Duckett. DAC doubts it's you but I could spot your illiterate, racist ramblings a mile off. Good to see that your persecution complex is as acute as always. I'd say we've missed you but I'd be lying.
Well f**k off back to PR as i don't get any crap on this forum.
As for being illiterate whICH i can admit to that and as for being racist you are so far off the mark boyo as i have told you and your other bumboys that it's ain't about colour just that i hate islam and my CD collection proves iam no Stormfront Bonehead.

Up the HEC.
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Studio, are you still stuck here?
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can move around, pm system is still down, not tried posting in the main forum, off to try now...
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dai

firstly ... welcome to the forums

secondly, i personally take offense to being branded a racist football hooligan, when i fact i am married with 2.4 children, consider myself to be middle class, own my home, have a reasonably well paid job don't get a penny in benefits, rarely drink and not been convicted of any crime, hell i don't even have a speeding ticket to my name .....

thirdly - so what if people have had a criminal conviction for something, whether the leaders do or not is not really my concern, so long as the EDL maintains its ethos of peaceful protest against Islamic extremist and sharia law and the leaders keep focus on this then i am here for the long haul

and lastly ..... i have a question for you, what is your view on child abuse, homosexuality, women's rights, animal welfare and jews ?

i challenge you to come back to this forum with evidence that islam does not support the killing of jews, abuse of children, killing of gays, treating women as second class citizens ... I also challenge you to find concrete evidence that animals do not suffer when slaughtered the halal way ....

now this challenged is coupled with the following, if you can provide this evidence on these forums i will leave the EDL forthwith ... good luck
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Dai is Henry it seems
Well I never I have caused no problems so where is your free speech ?
I have posted about issues
I will wait in the holding cell
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And while you wait, I will keep you company.

while its quiet, any questions?
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GOLGOTHAN
Apr 19 2010, 07:55 PM
Dai is Henry it seems
Well I never I have caused no problems so where is your free speech ?
I have posted about issues
I will wait in the holding cell
Ok mate I'm letting you out.
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see you in the land of the free....
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Studio your PM should be sorted now.
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Thanks, all seems well. Good system, quarantine area?

hard work opening up the rest of the forum as read only though if I remember rightly. pity.

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Apr 19 2010, 07:01 PM
studio
Apr 19 2010, 06:54 PM
studio
Apr 19 2010, 06:07 PM
Hello and welcome

May I ask a question please? Your take on freedom of speech
My definition of freedom of speech is pretty traditional - speech without censorship and/or limitation.
Completely without censorship?
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Apr 19 2010, 07:53 PM
dai

firstly ... welcome to the forums

secondly, i personally take offense to being branded a racist football hooligan, when i fact i am married with 2.4 children, consider myself to be middle class, own my home, have a reasonably well paid job don't get a penny in benefits, rarely drink and not been convicted of any crime, hell i don't even have a speeding ticket to my name .....

thirdly - so what if people have had a criminal conviction for something, whether the leaders do or not is not really my concern, so long as the EDL maintains its ethos of peaceful protest against Islamic extremist and sharia law and the leaders keep focus on this then i am here for the long haul

and lastly ..... i have a question for you, what is your view on child abuse, homosexuality, women's rights, animal welfare and jews ?

i challenge you to come back to this forum with evidence that islam does not support the killing of jews, abuse of children, killing of gays, treating women as second class citizens ... I also challenge you to find concrete evidence that animals do not suffer when slaughtered the halal way ....

now this challenged is coupled with the following, if you can provide this evidence on these forums i will leave the EDL forthwith ... good luck
Boudica,

For the purposes of clarity, I have not accused all members/supporters of the EDL as racist football hooligans. It is clear that a range of people from all walks of life support the group. However, it is also clear that some of the group's initial members were former football hooligans and associates of far-right organisations.

Secondly, you say that you will support the group as long as it maintains its ethos of peaceful protest - are these the peaceful protests that have resulted in numerous arrests (I concede that they are not all EDL members)? Do you dispute that your marches are occasionally hijacked by (a small number of) football hooligans/racist elements?

Thirdly and finally, in terms of the qur'an, there is no reference to support for killing Jews, the abuse of children, the killing of gays and treating women as second class citizens, certainly no more than there is in the Bible. I am no fan of any religion - I find them equally ludicrous and open to interpretation and manipulation. There are equally ambiguous parts of the Bible that would support the execution of homosexuals. For example,

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If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)


The Bible isn't big on women's rights either and this is what it has to say about children:

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If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son...Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city... And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die...(Deuteronomy
21:18-21)


All religions have their loons and can be manipulated to encourage/justify violence. Your initial assertion suggests that Islam is a fundamentally bad/evil is wrong imo and that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.




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...

have you not seen the infiltration by UAF at the demos, where members of the UAF have planted people within EDL to throw nazi salutes ....

I do not deny that there may be some racist amongst us, but lets look at the fact there could be racist within the labour party, tories ... and so forth ... hell i bet there's some racist amongst the rugby fans too ....

With regards to any element of protest you will get an arrest or two, this is natural ... hell even green peace have people arrested at their demos ... look at g20 and compare that to the EDL.... mmm.. i would say the EDL is extremely peaceful in comparison, would you ?

You have not proved anything, please come back with proof that islam does not promote the killing of jews, killings of gays, the second class treatment of women ... and so forth ...

and .. halal .. what did you find out about this ?

as for the bible .... i am not a religious person, i dont read the bible, but i know know one thing for sure ..... the story of the bible is written as the events happens at the time ... the koran on the other hand instructs its believers to carry out those very things in the name of allah in the present time ......




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The difference between the text in the Koran and the 'dodgy texts' in other religious scriptures is that all the others are descriptive of historical events and are not commands for believers today. The Koran on the other hand is perscriptive and is a command to all believers for all time. And as Surah 9 is generally regarded to be the last Surah to be 'revealed' to Mohammed, it abrogates all the verses that Muslims will try to throw at you to prove that Islam is peaceful such as the nonesense about no compulsion in religion.


Maybe now you would like some information about Islam?

peterpedant
 
Ali, Pickthal, Shakir translations of Qur'an as well as the Sahih hadith collections of Bukhari & Muslim (partial collection of sunan dawoud) found here at Muslims student association:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/

17 translations of Qur'an found here
http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/default.htm

here for more info on abrogating verses:
http://www.thequran.com/Abrogations.aspx?t=2&r=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,41,46,51,66,71

a veritable gold-mine of accurate info courtesy of AQ3:
http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Definitions.html


Christ also said 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

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boudicca
Apr 19 2010, 09:55 PM
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At least you got a reply to your post. ;)
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Apr 19 2010, 10:03 PM
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At least you got a reply to your post. ;)
my fingers were thinking faster than my brain and feck knows what happened there lol.. damn dots
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daiyoung
Apr 19 2010, 09:54 PM
boudicca
Apr 19 2010, 07:53 PM
dai

firstly ... welcome to the forums

secondly, i personally take offense to being branded a racist football hooligan, when i fact i am married with 2.4 children, consider myself to be middle class, own my home, have a reasonably well paid job don't get a penny in benefits, rarely drink and not been convicted of any crime, hell i don't even have a speeding ticket to my name .....

thirdly - so what if people have had a criminal conviction for something, whether the leaders do or not is not really my concern, so long as the EDL maintains its ethos of peaceful protest against Islamic extremist and sharia law and the leaders keep focus on this then i am here for the long haul

and lastly ..... i have a question for you, what is your view on child abuse, homosexuality, women's rights, animal welfare and jews ?

i challenge you to come back to this forum with evidence that islam does not support the killing of jews, abuse of children, killing of gays, treating women as second class citizens ... I also challenge you to find concrete evidence that animals do not suffer when slaughtered the halal way ....

now this challenged is coupled with the following, if you can provide this evidence on these forums i will leave the EDL forthwith ... good luck
Boudica,

For the purposes of clarity, I have not accused all members/supporters of the EDL as racist football hooligans. It is clear that a range of people from all walks of life support the group. However, it is also clear that some of the group's initial members were former football hooligans and associates of far-right organisations.

Secondly, you say that you will support the group as long as it maintains its ethos of peaceful protest - are these the peaceful protests that have resulted in numerous arrests (I concede that they are not all EDL members)? Do you dispute that your marches are occasionally hijacked by (a small number of) football hooligans/racist elements?

Thirdly and finally, in terms of the qur'an, there is no reference to support for killing Jews, the abuse of children, the killing of gays and treating women as second class citizens, certainly no more than there is in the Bible. I am no fan of any religion - I find them equally ludicrous and open to interpretation and manipulation. There are equally ambiguous parts of the Bible that would support the execution of homosexuals. For example,

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If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)


The Bible isn't big on women's rights either and this is what it has to say about children:

Quote:
 
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son...Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city... And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die...(Deuteronomy
21:18-21)


All religions have their loons and can be manipulated to encourage/justify violence. Your initial assertion suggests that Islam is a fundamentally bad/evil is wrong imo and that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.




Mate you need to spend more time in the gym or the pub and less time on your PC trying to make (in your narrow eyes)the wrongs and right.
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I couldnt care less if this movement was or wasn't started by football "lads",no one else had the bo11ocks to stand up and voice their concerns,I certainly didn't see any supposed anti facist organisations doing anything.
Also as our demo's get attacked physically by anti facists,anarchists,communists and violent muslim gangs Im glad we have lads with us that can look after themselves,I see absolutely no problem whatsoever.
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Apr 19 2010, 10:57 PM
I couldnt care less if this movement was or wasn't started by football "lads",no one else had the bo11ocks to stand up and voice their concerns,I certainly didn't see any supposed anti facist organisations doing anything.
Also as our demo's get attacked physically by anti facists,anarchists,communists and violent muslim gangs Im glad we have lads with us that can look after themselves,I see absolutely no problem whatsoever.
Great post, be hard to put a bad reply to that.
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And I'd rather have some decent lads at the demos who will stand up to those unwashed thugs who like to cause trouble, mind you, I bet I could stand up to some of them. Would love to meet the goblin for a chat
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