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Topic Started: Apr 19 2010, 03:27 PM (1,114 Views)
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Is it just me, who finds the condescending, supercilious, patronising, attitude of these PR mugs very hard to stomach?

Dai, you obviously think you know more about the EDL than you do. I suggest you check your research and sources then come back when you have a few facts straight.
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oliver1
Apr 19 2010, 04:40 PM
Is it just me, who finds the condescending, supercilious, patronising, attitude of these PR mugs very hard to stomach?
It's because we are thick workling-class common scum.

They are the educated ones.
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what you scared of die young?
whats bothering you?
just coz you (erm your chum) got severely OWNED yesterday.
you wouldnt let it lie , he wouldnt let it lie.
from me to you from youto me.

fuk off to the chuckle brothers site,
its more your wavelength.
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Well, if your leaders are former football hooligans and racists, I suppose you will attract football hooligans and racists, two groups you appear to wish to distance yourself from. The background and beliefs of your organisation's leadership are critical surely?


hmmm...

Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues. ;)

You think we are paranoid of the rising islamification of europe and GB and yet this is the bit your worried about ? By the way we already have sharia courts and sharia laws.

wakey wakey :P
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Apr 19 2010, 04:36 PM
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Apr 19 2010, 04:24 PM
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Well, if your leaders are former football hooligans and racists, I suppose you will attract football hooligans and racists, two groups you appear to wish to distance yourself from. The background and beliefs of your organisation's leadership are critical surely?
You are so obvious I'm embarrassed for you.

Who the hell do you think you are to come on here name calling and making unfounded accusations

about the EDL?

Look, I've only posted what I know about what I believe to be the EDL's leadership. No one has refuted the fact that 'Tommy Robinson', Amit Singh, Jeff Marsh, Trevor Kelway etc...are spokepersons/leaders for the organisation. If these people have been expelled, like Renton was expelled, let me know. If they haven't, are you not troubled by their pasts, their associates and their behaviour?

Pale Rider, haven't a clue what you're on about.

Anxiety, I'm not convinced that Dhabiha is anymore painful/cruel than our Western methods of slaughter. Plus, I think there are more important things to worry about.
Who are their associates?

People who are sent to prison for drink driving, manslaughter - even murder - are released back into the community to give them a second chance. The Government obviously think they have turned over a new leaf.
Last time I heard, none of the above have murdered anybody or blown up tubes, buses etc.


My mate was stabbed to death in 1989. The scum that did it served 14 yrs and is now considered by the powers that be to be ok in the community.
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No-one manipulates me or my thinking about Islamism. The EDL leadership do a good job and if they have criminal records, I very much doubt that there are many that don't have a criminal record. Getting points on your driving licence makes you a criminal just as being taken to court for not having a TV licence gives you a criminal record. They may have gotten their records for punch ups in and around footie grounds but as far as I am aware and the evidence tends to support my position on this, they are not racists, nor right-wing fascists nor Nazi's. The same can be said of the vast majority of the members of this forum.

As for paranoia, the creeping Islamification of our country and of Europe is not a theory, or a conspiracy theory akin to the shooter on the grassy knoll in Texas. It's a fact. 10 years ago, you hardly saw a hijab or niqab or burka. Now they are suddenly very common. I live in Hounslow which is has a large Sikh community - much larger than than the Islamic community - I've seen the change happen even faster. The number of Muslims hasn't changed that much in Hounslow but suddenly the women are wearing the hijab, the burka and th niqab where before they didn't. The men - where from Pakistan where the clothes of that region - from other places where the night-shirt or trousers that are too short. The Muslim beard has increased in number.

We are having Islam pushed down our throats by our government over our Christian roots. How come a nurse cannot wear a cross which is only a symbol of her faith - does not affect her ability to nurse nor endanger patients. Yet muslim nurses are allowed to wear the hijab/chador/burka and are allowed to keep their arms covered in contravention of NHS rules on cleanliness and hygiene. Yet these things are only symbols of their religion. It's a creeping subversive jihad being waged on us on a cultural level as well as on the physical level. Children - many of whom come from Christian backgrounds - have been forced to pray to the fake god Allah by schools yet if those same schools forced non-christian children to pray to Yahweh God then all hell would break out. Paranoid no, concerned yes!
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Apr 19 2010, 04:48 PM
No-one manipulates me or my thinking about Islamism. The EDL leadership do a good job and if they have criminal records, I very much doubt that there are many that don't have a criminal record. Getting points on your driving licence makes you a criminal just as being taken to court for not having a TV licence gives you a criminal record. They may have gotten their records for punch ups in and around footie grounds but as far as I am aware and the evidence tends to support my position on this, they are not racists, nor right-wing fascists nor Nazi's. The same can be said of the vast majority of the members of this forum.

As for paranoia, the creeping Islamification of our country and of Europe is not a theory, or a conspiracy theory akin to the shooter on the grassy knoll in Texas. It's a fact. 10 years ago, you hardly saw a hijab or niqab or burka. Now they are suddenly very common. I live in Hounslow which is has a large Sikh community - much larger than than the Islamic community - I've seen the change happen even faster. The number of Muslims hasn't changed that much in Hounslow but suddenly the women are wearing the hijab, the burka and th niqab where before they didn't. The men - where from Pakistan where the clothes of that region - from other places where the night-shirt or trousers that are too short. The Muslim beard has increased in number.

We are having Islam pushed down our throats by our government over our Christian roots. How come a nurse cannot wear a cross which is only a symbol of her faith - does not affect her ability to nurse nor endanger patients. Yet muslim nurses are allowed to wear the hijab/chador/burka and are allowed to keep their arms covered in contravention of NHS rules on cleanliness and hygiene. Yet these things are only symbols of their religion. It's a creeping subversive jihad being waged on us on a cultural level as well as on the physical level. Children - many of whom come from Christian backgrounds - have been forced to pray to the fake god Allah by schools yet if those same schools forced non-christian children to pray to Yahweh God then all hell would break out. Paranoid no, concerned yes!
The whole issue summed up and answered in one post - good stuff.

Next topic anybody?
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im not distancing myself from football hooligans?
wheres the racists

whats your obsession with football lads?
your going to get owned for the 3rd time in 48hrs.

its painful to watch,
i just been to the shed to get a crowbar to unclench my buttocks.
youd be better off on indymedia or somewhere where your inane irrelevant ramblings would be gladly accepted.
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Apr 19 2010, 04:40 PM
Is it just me, who finds the condescending, supercilious, patronising, attitude of these PR mugs very hard to stomach?

Dai, you obviously think you know more about the EDL than you do. I suggest you check your research and sources then come back when you have a few facts straight.
Oliver, quite clearly I don't know much about the EDL leadership. As someone who obviously does, can you help me? Who are they if they're not the people I've named?

Apologies if I am coming across as condescending, that is not my intention.
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Apr 19 2010, 04:42 PM
what you scared of die young?
whats bothering you?
just coz you (erm your chum) got severely OWNED yesterday.
you wouldnt let it lie , he wouldnt let it lie.
from me to you from youto me.

fuk off to the chuckle brothers site,
its more your wavelength.
What am I scared of?

Death mainly and of losing my testicles. I very much doubt any of those things will happen on here.

You appear to be intimating that I posted yesterday under another name. I can assure you that isn't the case.

However, if it gives you something to post about rather than addressing the issues at hand, carry on.
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none of your pals would comment on this thread when asked?

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3209708/1/#new

stop obsessing on football lads ! is that your 'NEW' approach.
your going to achive fuk all apart from make yourself look a prick.
if your not WLB or globs**te (like my 1st DELETED post on this thread said) ill buy pale rider a pint.(of fully synthetic 2-stroke).

open your eyes,read the threads!
stop squawking FOOTBALL HOOLIGAN FOOTBALL HOOLIGAN like a parrot onspeed.
the 1AUK bloke from your site seems fine.

ps.when was the last time you saw a footy lad piss up a war memorial like the marxist uni fuktards do?
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Apr 19 2010, 05:08 PM
none of your pals would comment on this thread when asked?

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3209708/1/#new

i saw em looking? dont like that? not on the agenda?

stop obsessing on football lads ! is that your 'NEW' approach.
your going to achive fuk all apart from make yourself look a prick.
if your not WLB or globs**te (like my 1st DELETED post on this thread said) ill buy pale rider a pint.(of fully synthetic 2-stroke).

open your eyes,read the threads!
stop squawking FOOTBALL HOOLIGAN FOOTBALL HOOLIGAN like a parrot onspeed.
the 1AUK bloke from your site seems fine.

ps.when was the last time you saw a footy lad piss up a war memorial like the marxist uni fuktards do?
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The EDL leadership do a good job and if they have criminal records, I very much doubt that there are many that don't have a criminal record. Getting points on your driving licence makes you a criminal just as being taken to court for not having a TV licence gives you a criminal record. They may have gotten their records for punch ups in and around footie grounds but as far as I am aware and the evidence tends to support my position on this, they are not racists, nor right-wing fascists nor Nazi's.


Jeff Marsh, reportedly founder of the Welsh Defence League, allegedly has at least three convictions for violence, including a prison sentence for stabbing two Man Utd fans. He may no longer have a role in the organisation but if he does, do you think that sort of individual is worthy of acting as a leader/spokesperson for your organisation?
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Apr 19 2010, 05:10 PM
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The EDL leadership do a good job and if they have criminal records, I very much doubt that there are many that don't have a criminal record. Getting points on your driving licence makes you a criminal just as being taken to court for not having a TV licence gives you a criminal record. They may have gotten their records for punch ups in and around footie grounds but as far as I am aware and the evidence tends to support my position on this, they are not racists, nor right-wing fascists nor Nazi's.


Jeff Marsh, reportedly founder of the Welsh Defence League, allegedly has at least three convictions for violence, including a prison sentence for stabbing two Man Utd fans. He may no longer have a role in the organisation but if he does, do you think that sort of individual is worthy of acting as a leader/spokesperson for your organisation?
and max mosley runs f1
get over it.


new approach...all else fails...attack leadership.

epic fail
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Apr 19 2010, 05:08 PM
none of your pals would comment on this thread when asked?

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3209708/1/#new

stop obsessing on football lads ! is that your 'NEW' approach.
your going to achive fuk all apart from make yourself look a prick.
if your not WLB or globs**te (like my 1st DELETED post on this thread said) ill buy pale rider a pint.(of fully synthetic 2-stroke).

open your eyes,read the threads!
stop squawking FOOTBALL HOOLIGAN FOOTBALL HOOLIGAN like a parrot onspeed.
the 1AUK bloke from your site seems fine.

ps.when was the last time you saw a footy lad piss up a war memorial like the marxist uni fuktards do?
clee,

I'm not suggesting all your members are former football hooligans. As I have already said, there is a broad range of people within the EDL. However, some the leadership of the organisation appear, from my limited research, to have been involved in football hooliganism. As a consequence, when things go wrong at your marches, people tend to believe that some of your supporters want little else than a bit of a ruck. Other members of your leadership appear to have made racist remarks in the past (perhaps not when speaking for your organisation but it does reflect on the EDL) or have associated with BNP members and sympathizers.
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Apr 19 2010, 05:15 PM
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Apr 19 2010, 05:08 PM
none of your pals would comment on this thread when asked?

http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3209708/1/#new

stop obsessing on football lads ! is that your 'NEW' approach.
your going to achive fuk all apart from make yourself look a prick.
if your not WLB or globs**te (like my 1st DELETED post on this thread said) ill buy pale rider a pint.(of fully synthetic 2-stroke).

open your eyes,read the threads!
stop squawking FOOTBALL HOOLIGAN FOOTBALL HOOLIGAN like a parrot onspeed.
the 1AUK bloke from your site seems fine.

ps.when was the last time you saw a footy lad piss up a war memorial like the marxist uni fuktards do?
clee,

I'm not suggesting all your members are former football hooligans. As I have already said, there is a broad range of people within the EDL. However, some the leadership of the organisation appear, from my limited research, to have been involved in football hooliganism. As a consequence, when things go wrong at your marches, people tend to believe that some of your supporters want little else than a bit of a ruck. Other members of your leadership appear to have made racist remarks in the past (perhaps not when speaking for your organisation but it does reflect on the EDL) or have associated with BNP members and sympathizers.
and?

it doesnt bother me?

good on em for getting up of their arses and doing something bout the creeping spectre of radical islam.no one else would or did.
maybe it needed some 'tough' footy lads to stand up to it.
the rest followed.

ask homosapien what he thinks of it all?

he's on here somewhere.

debate with him a bit!
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plus the real fascists of the UAF and SWP are getting back a bit off the football lads.
they REALLY dont like it...
bloody brilliant!
i cant see the problem?
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Apr 19 2010, 05:23 PM
plus the real fascists of the UAF and SWP are getting back a bit off the football lads.
they REALLY dont like it...
bloody brilliant!
i cant see the problem?
clee,

Has this thread been parked off board? I can't seem to access any other threads.

Anyway, I don't quite know why you need 'tough football lads' to march. I thought these events were peaceful. Most people in this country can organise a march without the need for hard nuts to 'bite back'.
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Apr 19 2010, 05:27 PM
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Apr 19 2010, 05:23 PM
plus the real fascists of the UAF and SWP are getting back a bit off the football lads.
they REALLY dont like it...
bloody brilliant!
i cant see the problem?
clee,

Has this thread been parked off board? I can't seem to access any other threads.

Anyway, I don't quite know why you need 'tough football lads' to march. I thought these events were peaceful. Most people in this country can organise a march without the need for hard nuts to 'bite back'.
You been set to guest, I think you can only see this section.
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Apr 19 2010, 05:34 PM
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Apr 19 2010, 05:27 PM
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Apr 19 2010, 05:23 PM
plus the real fascists of the UAF and SWP are getting back a bit off the football lads.
they REALLY dont like it...
bloody brilliant!
i cant see the problem?
clee,

Has this thread been parked off board? I can't seem to access any other threads.

Anyway, I don't quite know why you need 'tough football lads' to march. I thought these events were peaceful. Most people in this country can organise a march without the need for hard nuts to 'bite back'.
You been set to guest, I think you can only see this section.
Any reason for this? I don't think I've been overly combative, evasive or annoying. I'm not going to pollute the board either. Perhaps the EDL's commitment to free speech isn't quite as strong as it is portrayed?
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
You been set to guest, I think you can only see this section.
Any reason for this? I don't think I've been overly combative, evasive or annoying. I'm not going to pollute the board either. Perhaps the EDL's commitment to free speech isn't quite as strong as it is portrayed?
I don't know, I am not a mod, will have to ask MJ or Billy.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
You been set to guest, I think you can only see this section.
Any reason for this? I don't think I've been overly combative, evasive or annoying. I'm not going to pollute the board either. Perhaps the EDL's commitment to free speech isn't quite as strong as it is portrayed?
Not being funny mate but after yesterday we don't want our forum clogged up with threads like this, your welcome to continue posting in the guest section and If I see fit I will promote you to a member.
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Can we drop the P R tag its giving me a complex ,
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Hello and welcome

May I ask a question please? Your take on freedom of speach
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'Anyway, I don't quite know why you need 'tough football lads' to march. I thought these events were peaceful. Most people in this country can organise a march without the need for hard nuts to 'bite back'.'

????
so those who follow football and have an occasional tear up arent allowed to oppose radical islam....erm ok?

those in education at uni are allowed to get s**tfaced and piss up war memorials though? and attack anyone they like under the UAF / SWP banner including raising funds and assisting the IRA (SWP) hamas etc (UAF).
im forgetting the last time i saw an orient fan pack a bomb.
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Dai, the EDL does not have a leadership per se, it is not made of accountable individuals. It does not have a structure or a pecking order. It is a living and growing organism whose life breath is what spawned the EDL to start with, an end to creeping Islamofascism in the west.

If the originators of the EDL were brain dead serial killers it wouldn't matter one jot. They started what many many have been too gutless or lazy to start themselves. They stood up and did something about what the rest of us have been whining about from our sofas for years.
I am a well educated professional atheist with no football affiliations and with two mixed race kids. I don't see any racism, fascism, violence or thuggery in the EDL at all.
I will proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with the hardest scrapper in a football firm, the laziest out of work chav, the grumpy old asshole with the piss stained trousers because I know we are shoulder to shoulder fighting the good fight.

The EDL has grown past a ''leadership'' it runs on its own steam now. This forum is filled with like minded souls as far as anti extremist Islam goes, but when it comes to political affiliations, class, sexual preference, religious beliefs or lack thereof, salary, sporting prowess etc etc etc we are as disparate a bunch of people you could ever hope to meet.
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“Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.”-Thomas Jefferson
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Why have I been denied access?
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You can still post in this section, we will promote you to member when we see fit.
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Its an anti troll device I would think. With a few coming over, our continued barring from your site, its probably just a limitation exercise. If you are really interested in the EDL and its stand point then ask away, but it will become apparent soon enough if otherwise. I know you stood your ground well earlier, but nobody wants forums polluted with mindless point scoring of off topic threads
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Apr 19 2010, 06:27 PM
Why have I been denied access?
because of ur muppet mates yesterday,

be good and youll be letout apparently.

dont worry someone will keep popping in to feed you. :D

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Yea, feed me too please!!
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Apr 19 2010, 06:20 PM
Dai, the EDL does not have a leadership per se, it is not made of accountable individuals. It does not have a structure or a pecking order. It is a living and growing organism whose life breath is what spawned the EDL to start with, an end to creeping Islamofascism in the west.

If the originators of the EDL were brain dead serial killers it wouldn't matter one jot. They started what many many have been too gutless or lazy to start themselves. They stood up and did something about what the rest of us have been whining about from our sofas for years.
I am a well educated professional atheist with no football affiliations and with two mixed race kids. I don't see any racism, fascism, violence or thuggery in the EDL at all.
I will proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with the hardest scrapper in a football firm, the laziest out of work chav, the grumpy old asshole with the piss stained trousers because I know we are shoulder to shoulder fighting the good fight.

The EDL has grown past a ''leadership'' it runs on its own steam now. This forum is filled with like minded souls as far as anti extremist Islam goes, but when it comes to political affiliations, class, sexual preference, religious beliefs or lack thereof, salary, sporting prowess etc etc etc we are as disparate a bunch of people you could ever hope to meet.
WE ARE BOUND BY A
spot on :D 100% agree with that post mate all the way.
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Apr 19 2010, 06:35 PM
Yea, feed me too please!!
Can you see if you can start a thread please mate.
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Sudio also a troll?
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Very hungry Steve!
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Apr 19 2010, 06:37 PM
Sudio also a troll?
No he's just testing the permissions for me, I'll let him out in a minute :)
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can we prod them with a stick?
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Say it aint so!!!! Studio aint no troll.
“Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.”-Thomas Jefferson
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hell man, I double in weight every time it rains I am that thin, you could kill me making me wait for food this long ;)
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It's for the cause Studio, hang in there.
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Apr 19 2010, 06:39 PM
Very hungry Steve!
Can you test if you can start a new thread in this section please.
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phew, didn't see Billy's response
“Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.”-Thomas Jefferson
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Apr 19 2010, 06:18 PM
'Anyway, I don't quite know why you need 'tough football lads' to march. I thought these events were peaceful. Most people in this country can organise a march without the need for hard nuts to 'bite back'.'

????
so those who follow football and have an occasional tear up arent allowed to oppose radical islam....erm ok?

those in education at uni are allowed to get s**tfaced and piss up war memorials though? and attack anyone they like under the UAF / SWP banner including raising funds and assisting the IRA (SWP) hamas etc (UAF).
im forgetting the last time i saw an orient fan pack a bomb.
Of course football fans and those that have 'an occasional tear up' can oppose radical Islam. Whether I'd want them associated with my movement or speaking for me is another matter.

In terms of your second point, of course it is wrong for students to piss on a war memorial. I don't believe anyone has defended such action - that would be ridiculous. In fact, I believe that the individual responsible has apologised and appreciated his total dismay. Regardless, I wouldn't want him representing me or talking for me if he headed a movement I believed in.

In terms of the UAF and SWP, I know nowt about them but I suppose who have evidence for your accusation that they have raised funds for terrorist organisations such as the IRA and Hamas?
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I like this idea, keep the rabble and people who want to start s**t out the way.
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Where's studio, now?

Oh, I see you're back :O you disappeared for a minute, I thought they might have eaten you! :'( :D
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daiyoung do one please your irritating to the point of nausea
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mus...t ha...ve fooood .....
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Just don't let Henry back in as he is a blind/deaf liar and only says what suits him.
He make a great dictator.
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ENUFisENUF
Apr 19 2010, 06:20 PM
Dai, the EDL does not have a leadership per se, it is not made of accountable individuals. It does not have a structure or a pecking order. It is a living and growing organism whose life breath is what spawned the EDL to start with, an end to creeping Islamofascism in the west.

If the originators of the EDL were brain dead serial killers it wouldn't matter one jot. They started what many many have been too gutless or lazy to start themselves. They stood up and did something about what the rest of us have been whining about from our sofas for years.
I am a well educated professional atheist with no football affiliations and with two mixed race kids. I don't see any racism, fascism, violence or thuggery in the EDL at all.
I will proudly stand shoulder to shoulder with the hardest scrapper in a football firm, the laziest out of work chav, the grumpy old asshole with the piss stained trousers because I know we are shoulder to shoulder fighting the good fight.

The EDL has grown past a ''leadership'' it runs on its own steam now. This forum is filled with like minded souls as far as anti extremist Islam goes, but when it comes to political affiliations, class, sexual preference, religious beliefs or lack thereof, salary, sporting prowess etc etc etc we are as disparate a bunch of people you could ever hope to meet.
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Enuf,

Thanks for that. Appreciate that the movement has evolved beyond rigid leadership and that many EDL members do not support the views or behaviour of those people from the past. However, surely you admit that it does this movement no good when those people talk for you?

On the wider issue, I don't accept this group's central premise about the Islamification of the UK. What specific incidents/developments worry you so? I do not accept that Muslim demographics will see us adopt Sharia law or that they will generate enough support to carry out an 'Islamic revolution'.

I accept that militant Islamism is a threat and that we should do all we can to combat it but I believe that those that believe Islam to be a fundamentally aggressive/dangerous/evil religion overlook the more unsavoury and extremist aspects of other religions. Christian militias in the US anyone? Sikh extremists in the India?
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