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| daiyoung | Apr 19 2010, 03:27 PM Post #1 |
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Hi there, I have read and contributed to some of the PR threads about this forum and having registered I thought I'd post a few questions and my perspective, mainly at the prompting of our very own EDL member, DAC. I have also read the 'PR owned thread' and have zero interest in trolling, wumming, causing a s**tfight etc...However, I would say that that Road Hog's assertion that PRists are:
is overstating it slightly. Anyway, here are my questions: The EDL promotes itself as a multi-ethnic, multi-religious organisation that wishes to peacefully protect the UK against what it perceives as Islamification. How does that tally with the backgrounds and history of some of your founders and current leaders, people like Jeff Marsh, 'Tommy Robinson', Guramit Singh, Trevor Kelway etc...people who have convictions for violence, far-right associations or who have allegedly posted racist comments in a variety of forums (such as Facebook)? How does that also tally with the behaviour and acts of some of your supporters at some rallies (i.e. the sieg heil, the burning of anti-swastika banner, the balaclavas, the skinheads, the violence that has accompanied some of your marches? Secondly, I'd like to know what drives your belief in this supposed Islamification of our country. What is your evidence for this and what (specifically) concerns you so? As far as I see it, and as was stated on our own forum, how can this supposed Islamification threaten our way of life when we live in a multi-party, pluralist democratic state? Unless there is an Islamic revolution in this country (and surely you don't believe that is a possibility), we are not going to adopt Sharia law. Cheers, Dai Young aka Henry |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:34 PM Post #2 |
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Welcome. As long as it stays civil, we haven`t a problem. The one on last night had two or three accounts and was rumbled. I even tried to back him at the start. As said before, we welcome a good debate. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:37 PM Post #3 |
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Welcome to the forum, feel free to have a look around. If you want a good laugh and see how that twat from your forum globos/Buff Guy was totally humiliated and owned have a read of this thread. http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3203175/ If you have come here to ask genuine questions that's fair enough but I would strongly advise against trolling because it wont end nice. Billy |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:37 PM Post #4 |
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The first thing I will pick out of your questions is `skinheads`. I have a `skinhead` - more by age than choice though. I have not got a criminal record, am not racist (have banned racists and Nazis off here myself who came on to cause trouble) and am in an excellent job. Never judge a book by its cover. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:42 PM Post #5 |
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This statement by Tommy Robinson might actually answer a fer of your questions. http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/04/05/edl-leader-tommy-robinson-issues-anti-nazi-statement/ |
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| daiyoung | Apr 19 2010, 03:43 PM Post #6 |
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Billy, I saw the way you dealt with Globos and believe it was totally over-zealous. Posting his email addresses on a public forum is a bit irresponsible. Nonetheless, I'm not here to troll. All I'm after is answers to the above questions and possibly a brief debate over them. One of your representatives on our forum is evasive when it comes to the leadership of the EDL and overly reliant, in my eyes at least, on the excuse that unsavoury incidents at your 'marches' are the result of UAF infiltrators etc... To be honest, I accept that the EDL is a broad church and that you are only united (in what I perceive to be paranoia) of Islamification of the UK. However, while many of you may be politically moderate, some of your spokespeople/leaders appear to have pretty distasteful pasts, beliefs and associates. Edited by daiyoung, Apr 19 2010, 03:45 PM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:48 PM Post #7 |
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Not at all, he was banned once and chose to come back to troll so he really cant complain. Being over zealous is banning some one after one post just for mentioning the EDL like PR do. You know he has 3 user names on PR as well 1. globos 2. Buff Guy 3. phillBB |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:49 PM Post #8 |
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Road Hog's assertion that PRists were coming to this forum to create havoc, wasn't an overstatement by any means. I've had a read of your forum and it appears that certain of your members seem to think it's all a 'jolly jape' to go trolling forums like mumsnet, ridiculing subjects such as miscarriage and having a good bray about it. How anyone can then come here and attempt to take the moral highground over any of the EDL leadership's less than squeaky clean backgrounds is hypocritical in the extreme. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:49 PM Post #9 |
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daiyoung: I personally had several chats via pm with Globos. He told me stuff about your forum that I didn`t put on the forum. We had quite a lengthy, interesting chat - and he did not seem to want to help himself, let alone us. I backed him to start with - even though others had sussed him. He came to cause a lot of trouble - hoping to cause a scene. He made himself look silly. He thought we were all knuckledraggers and hooligans, and, unfortunately for him - he found out we have some very educated people amongst our ranks. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:51 PM Post #10 |
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I seen that s**t. I was gonna sign up on one of the forums they was trolling and leak some details about our good friend Globos, might look into it actually. |
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| daiyoung | Apr 19 2010, 03:53 PM Post #11 |
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Billy, That statement is slightly at odds with 'Tommy's' Facebook page (though I admit there is no evidence that it is his official page or that it is administered by the EDL) which contains several individuals of an extreme right bent. In addition, his anti-Nazi statement in some respects is consistent with the switch in position of the BNP. Nick Griffin has recently become overtly pro-Israeli as he, like yourselves, view Israel (and by extension many Jews) as a bulwark against the spread of militant Islamism. I do, however, applaud what appears to be an attempt to distance your organisation from racist scum like Combat 18, the BNP etc... |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:53 PM Post #12 |
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I have also read the 'PR owned thread' and have zero interest in trolling, wumming, causing a s**tfight etc...However, I would say that that Road Hog's assertion that PRists are: Quote: ...com[ing] over hear to create havoc. is overstating it slightly. --------------- I hope you won't agree that trolling on the mumsnet forum and describing how you are having a miscarriage;, the baby not moving, etc is overstating it slightly too? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:54 PM Post #13 |
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Hello Toff you are obviously from PR |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:55 PM Post #14 |
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It disgusted me. They even posted a pm one of the members of mumsnet had written to (presumably) one of the PR mods complaining about it and saying that she had suffered a miscarriage and found it very upsetting. That was also considered fair game for a chortle. Perhaps mumsnet, confetti etc and all the other forums these lowlifes think it's funny to troll should also be advised to report them to SKY |
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| daiyoung | Apr 19 2010, 03:57 PM Post #15 |
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Billy, you could have just banned him. It was a bit unnecessary imo. And are you calling me a 'Toff'? Anxiety86, yes, there's a thread on trolling. However, I don't believe it they have targeted this forum and trying to equate trolling with the criminal background of some of your reported leadership is a bit daft, no? Ruby, that mumsnet carry on is beyond the pale. Edited by daiyoung, Apr 19 2010, 03:58 PM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:59 PM Post #16 |
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Banning's not our style, we'll chew you up and spit you out and let you leave of your own accord. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:01 PM Post #17 |
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No I was referring to a new user call Toff who jumped straight into reading this thread and who is now reading the thread where globos got owned. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:02 PM Post #18 |
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What does the background of EDL leadership, criminal or otherwise, have to do with anything? The EDL is a street protest movement whose aim is to draw attention to the rise of Islamic militancy, nothing more and nothing less. Our leadership aren't out to win votes or elections and don't need your approval or anyone elses! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:03 PM Post #19 |
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Hi Dai Young, can I just say that it's great to have an ex-international on board and the coach of Cardiff Blues. Hopefully next season will be a bit better. Being below Clartsville in the Magners is a bit embarrassing, luckily the Turks are doing worse. |
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| Toff | Apr 19 2010, 04:03 PM Post #20 |
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Indeed, curiosity got the better of me as to what has been going on and I chose to see with my own eyes what had happened rather than take the word of a member of my forum. And hello to you too. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:07 PM Post #21 |
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you didn't close brackets. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:08 PM Post #22 |
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Your welcome to take a look round mate, if you have any questions please ask. Seems like globos is trolling your forum as well, he has three user names there, globos, buff guy and phillbb. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:08 PM Post #23 |
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Dai Young. regarding the islamification, I suggest you have a look at how much Lebanon has changed over the last four decades. It can go that fast. There are numeral other countries that have suffered the same. Muslems have a higher birthrate than us, and will achieve greater demographics in a much shorter time than us. Fifteen years ago the Netherlands had half a million, now we have a million. Perhaps another 15 years and we will two million, while the other Dutch populations dwindle. It is not paranoia - it is watching the trends everywhere and learning from that. |
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| daiyoung | Apr 19 2010, 04:09 PM Post #24 |
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I would have thought that the background of your leadership would have everything to do with this. Surely they set the agenda, the time and place of marches etc...? They promote your organisation and are thought to speak for you. If they are a bunch of odious racists and convicted football hooligans, people will not be attracted to your 'street protest movement' or convinced of your message. Do you not worry about who speaks in your name and who can manipulate your particular concerns for their own ends? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:10 PM Post #25 |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:11 PM Post #26 |
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Billy, I saw the way you dealt with Globos and believe it was totally over-zealous. Posting his email addresses on a public forum is a bit irresponsible. Nonetheless, I'm not here to troll. All I'm after is answers to the above questions and possibly a brief debate over them. One of your representatives on our forum is evasive when it comes to the leadership of the EDL and overly reliant, in my eyes at least, on the excuse that unsavoury incidents at your 'marches' are the result of UAF infiltrators etc... To be honest, I accept that the EDL is a broad church and that you are only united (in what I perceive to be paranoia) of Islamification of the UK. However, while many of you may be politically moderate, some of your spokespeople/leaders appear to have pretty distasteful pasts, beliefs and associates. ---------------------------------------- Billy, That statement is slightly at odds with 'Tommy's' Facebook page (though I admit there is no evidence that it is his official page or that it is administered by the EDL) which contains several individuals of an extreme right bent. In addition, his anti-Nazi statement in some respects is consistent with the switch in position of the BNP. Nick Griffin has recently become overtly pro-Israeli as he, like yourselves, view Israel (and by extension many Jews) as a bulwark against the spread of militant Islamism. I do, however, applaud what appears to be an attempt to distance your organisation from racist scum like Combat 18, the BNP etc... ================================================== Is it me or do the above quotes have a groundhog day, feel about them? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:11 PM Post #27 |
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Dai young,what's your take on sharia ,on halal slaughter,on radical islam ,on the hook on Friday prayers taking over our streets ,on I4UK,on IFE, If all you can rewind is leadership behind your little white flag,get on your knees and pray to the false prophet. Tj WDL |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:12 PM Post #28 |
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When trolling is done with a bit of harmless humour I don't care. But when you start being vile and upsetting people on subjects like miscarriages, that's being down right nasty. I suppose you would all sit and laugh at down syndromes too? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:13 PM Post #29 |
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id post the 'here we go again' pic again but itd prob get deleted again. anyone cant spot the similarities in 'die young' WLB and globs**te nees a guide dog. looks like the hits have gone mad again in 5min! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:13 PM Post #30 |
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`People will not be attracted to our street protest movement` 100 people in Birmingham last August. 3,000 in Stoke and Dudley. Not doing too badly at the moment. There are many people who sit at home, chat about it in the pub. We are on the streets voicing our opinion. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:13 PM Post #31 |
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Mmm, I read almost verbatim, those same words in the press. |
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| daiyoung | Apr 19 2010, 04:14 PM Post #32 |
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Dutch, what proportion of the UK population are Muslims? And what proportion of those espouse radical Islamist thoughts? Given their higher birth-rate, what proportions are we looking at in 30 years time? Lebanon has a population of 4m and bears little demographic or geographical similarity to the UK. Similarly, Holland has a population of 16m and is in little danger of adopting Sharia Law. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:15 PM Post #33 |
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The OP didn't close brackets in the second paragraph. I have no time for PR. All they want is constant fights with other forums, so why feed it? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:15 PM Post #34 |
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this is going to descend into a farce quicker that yesterdays. |
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| Toff | Apr 19 2010, 04:16 PM Post #35 |
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I can only assure you that the contributers to that particular thread are some of the PR forum members with a more...."unique" sense of humour and that there are plenty of members who find it somewhat distasteful at best. Still, there are times when it best to leave them to giggle at these things if they desire rather than cause a fuss as no (internet) community is perfect and there are ample cliques who will attack you and try to drive you from most forums if you question one of its members. Suffice to say I don't find that particular brand of "humour" amusing in the slightest. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:17 PM Post #36 |
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| daiyoung | Apr 19 2010, 04:17 PM Post #37 |
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Well, if your leaders are former football hooligans and racists, I suppose you will attract football hooligans and racists, two groups you appear to wish to distance yourself from. The background and beliefs of your organisation's leadership are critical surely? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:20 PM Post #38 |
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Obviously that forum is not modded correctly if its better to `leave them to giggle at these things if they desire, rather than cause a fuss` Is that why people go to other forums and try and cause a problem? If so, those sort of people coming here are in for a nasty shock. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:20 PM Post #39 |
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Thats a very sweeping statement. I am not a racist and have never been interested in football. Can you make that fit your theory? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:21 PM Post #40 |
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You haven`t mentioned any of the women that turn out for a demo. Not the even the elderly folk that turn out for a demo. Even the kids that turn up. Surely they are not all closet footy hoolies? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:22 PM Post #41 |
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It doesn't take a majority to overthrow a government, look at the Bolshewiks. |
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| daiyoung | Apr 19 2010, 04:23 PM Post #42 |
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I am no fan of the particular strands of Sharia law and believe that religion has no place in law, politics or the modern world. However, I'm not particularly troubled by Halal slaughter and would argue that Friday night prayers are not taking over our streets. I am hugely concerned about the rise of radical Islam/Islamic militancy and fully support our military and diplomatic stance. I find Islam4uk and their associated groups and behaviour, wholly abhorrent. Whether banning such groups, or descending to their level, is wise mind is another question. I'd rather we argue with them and show the fallacy of their arguments. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:24 PM Post #43 |
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You are so obvious I'm embarrassed for you. Who the hell do you think you are to come on here name calling and making unfounded accusations about the EDL? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:25 PM Post #44 |
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@daiyoung so is this all you can say,get back to your range rover,and disapear,are you casting stones without thinking of what you have done in the past,are you holier than thou,make your way to iceland. And throw yourself into that volcano |
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| daiyoung | Apr 19 2010, 04:25 PM Post #45 |
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I'm not accusing you of such. What I am saying is that having a racist or football hooligan-based leadership will deny your organisation credibility and attract racist individuals and football hooligans. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:27 PM Post #46 |
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Dai, you said you're not troubled by halal, so you must like the way the anmals suffer? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:28 PM Post #47 |
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"Well, if your leaders are former football hooligans and racists, I suppose you will attract football hooligans and racists, two groups you appear to wish to distance yourself from. The background and beliefs of your organisation's leadership are critical surely?" I think the operative word here is 'FORMER'. There are many people who have less than squeaky clean pasts but that doesn't mean that they can't learn from their mistakes and move on does it? As for the "odious racists" I'd be interested to see any evidence you have of EDL leadership speaking for the membership in an "odiously racist" manner. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:29 PM Post #48 |
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Deny us credibility???? l think the way the EDL have grown in less than a year is absolutely INCREDIBLE...... |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 04:34 PM Post #49 |
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why are they so obsessed with the football lads? ball the wrong shape? the football lads are a massively important part of EDL if you ask me. no one was complaining when we all laughed at the vid of the lads disrupting the newcastle SWP meeting. theyre just s**t scared that EDL is uniting unlikley people under one banner. id rather stand shoulder to shoulder with those lads anyday of the week. TOGETHER WE ARE STRONG |
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| daiyoung | Apr 19 2010, 04:36 PM Post #50 |
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Look, I've only posted what I know about what I believe to be the EDL's leadership. No one has refuted the fact that 'Tommy Robinson', Amit Singh, Jeff Marsh, Trevor Kelway etc...are spokepersons/leaders for the organisation. If these people have been expelled, like Renton was expelled, let me know. If they haven't, are you not troubled by their pasts, their associates and their behaviour? Pale Rider, haven't a clue what you're on about. Anxiety, I'm not convinced that Dhabiha is anymore painful/cruel than our Western methods of slaughter. Plus, I think there are more important things to worry about. |
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