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The Orwellian nightmare is upon us
Topic Started: Apr 18 2010, 08:46 PM (275 Views)
BeanLaden
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A great post I came across earlier credit to Godfather77 from the prison planet forums :)


Unlike many democratic countries Britain has no official constitution. The Magna Carta which served in a minimalistic sense as bill of rights has all but been repealed since 1828. Even one of the few remaining parts of this bill 'Habeas Corpus', which acted as protection against unlawful detention has been shamefully eroded by the passing of recent terror legislation which allows for 30 day detention without trial for any person suspected (not convicted) of terrorist crimes against the state. This was even once used to detain a pensioner who heckled a government minister in a speech!

There has even been talk about the need to increase this detention period to 60 days and unbelievably 90 days to protect society from terrorists. Luckily this motion was not passed but it is likely only a matter of time before it does This inhumane & futile detention period is evident in the fact that the vast majority detained under this pretext are released without charge.

Since there is neither entrenched constitutional law nor a formal separation of powers, Parliament has the ability to change almost any aspect of the constitution at will. This gives the government almost dictatorial powers against the people and over the past 10 years we have seen numerous example of this. The fact that Labour has passed more new laws than any other government in history and even ignored the will of the people and went to war with Iraq anyway, is just two shocking examples of this!

Has Britain became a better more moral place because of all the new laws passed or has Britain become safer from global terrorism since the war in Iraq? I think the majority of the British would say NO

Additionally, Britain has the most number of surveillance cameras in the world. The average British subject gets filmed up to 300 times per day on surveillance cameras. It is often said if you haven't got anything to worry about why be concerned or the classic line used 'these cameras are their to protect your liberties'? These are just red herrings designed to silence potential critics and it is amazing how many people can be quite naive and not question such erosion's of their liberty.

Britain is also one of the most highly taxed countries in the world and at present we are seeing increasing numbers of hard working Britain's being coined into debt which they cannot escape. House prices are unbelievably high and many young first time buyers have almost no hope in hell of getting a foot on the housing ladder. Under the covert notion of making it easier to buy a new home the government has introduced the home information pack scheme (HIPS) which in reality adds just makes it more complicated to sell your home and adds another £700 onto the cost of selling your home.

Enslavement by money is just one of the issues across the Britain and the rest of the industrial world. Banks and loan companies readily offer easy credit to people merely struggling to survive in a high taxed society and when interest rates go up as they have done many times over the past 18 months people are forced to declare bankruptcy and have their home and any assets taken from them! The government is now proposing mass gambling as the answer to society's woes . It seems much more likely that this will be a means of bringing in revenue following the restrictions on smoking in public and alcohol advertising

The situation in Britain is getting so dire that applications to leave the country in the past 7 years have soared by a huge 80%. Four in ten homes built over the past ten years have been needed because of immigration, figures have revealed. Contrary to government statistics many of those moving to Britain take up low paid professions supplemented by welfare incentives which increase the ever growing burden on the state.

New jails are not being built and the penal system is close to collapse. Convicted felons are now often released wearing security tags so shoddy that increasing numbers are simply ripping the tags off and go back to their life of crime. The deterrent of being sent back to prison is laughable as they know all too well that their are too few jails to house them

Quite worryingly the UK government has already banned freedom of demonstration without police permission within 1/2 mile of Westminster and are now trying to pass a bill that prevents anyone from taking photographs in a public place. If the bill is passed, 'ID' cards will be required to allow photographers (or anyone with a camera!) to operate in a public place no matter who or what they are photographing.

Recently in the news it reported that military personnel working for the MOD are to be censored. They will also be barred from sending text messages, photographs and audio or video material without permission if they relate to defence matters. Unbelievably this also covers playing multi-player computer games. How they are going to control this is another question altogether

In the past few days I read in the papers that a man was threatened with an £80 fine for wearinga T-Shirt with words that the police said some people may find offensive. It goes without saying that this was obviously meant to be a joke and just goes to show how they'll fine you for anything these days and then stick you on a police database for life.

I am often bemused by articles in the press and even statements from the government referring to the British people as citizens? This is not the case at all as until a formal constitution is written the British are still and always have been subjects to the Crown! Indeed to counter growing public alarm and in an attempt to rebuild voters' trust in politics PM Gordon Brown has stated he fully intends to have a British constitution drawn up. Whilst this may seem like a dream come true for the British, as past experience has shown this government will likely use it for its' own nefarious interests

The Orwellian nightmare is upon us ~ how long before the British people wake up to this

Some of the articles used to compile this are listed below:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6940120.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/30/nterror130.xml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/02/03/do0301.xml

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=400939&in_page_id=1770

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/09/nhips109.xml

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Photography/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=387945&in_page_id=1770

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/15642/4,000-people-a-week-trying-to-leave-UK

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,2142911,00.html

http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2833950.ece

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=471487&in_page_id=1770

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4710019.stm

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23407656-details/Immigrants+have+taken+four+in+ten+homes+since+1997/article.do

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article336096.ece

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6944008.stm
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Man that's a little paranoid
Edited by WestLondonBlue, Apr 18 2010, 08:49 PM.
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Paranoid ..umm which bit ?

Plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise WLB !
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Paranoid or awake?
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Why is this troll allowed to stay here?

I don't get it
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Paranoid. This government has already admitted it has deliberately attempted to alter the demographics of this country using immigration and in particular Muslim immigration. They have deliberately destroyed the pensions system and the pension schemes in this country (it was once the envy of the world until Gordon Brown destroyed the pensions). Paranoid, our own police have gone from being upholders of the law to acting like the old East German Stasi. If the government don't like someone even if he's an MP - where in the old days MPs were able to hide sources - now they are arrested and treated like common criminals. You think that the deliberate and traitorous actions of this government in signing over sovereign powers to a foreign power which is in contravention of the 1848 Treason Act is not something to be paranoid about. The fact that you can be arrested by the police force from a foreign nation and removed from your country with out a bye or leave.

It's time to wake up to the transnational progressive/communitiarianist Labour party and it's thieves, cheats and liars that parade themselves as cabinet and former cabinet ministers.
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I think this "poem" fits in here ;)

So did you think it would ever come to this in this day and age?
That our worst Orwellian nightmare cometh,
but don't start running, express your rage
that the constitution was maimed by the fourth f**king Reich
Oh... that comfort zone you protect must keep you in denial
that the end's in sight
So show your hate! Push it to the brink!
It's time to get the f**k up and show the world what you think!

And I endure more war like the sacrificial lamb that I am
Peak oil and globalization are coming,
but are we doing the best we can
to get the truth? Yeah, the mother f**king truth!
Cause we the people are sick
and really f**king tired of the likes of you

So show your hate, while I get your back
Our red, white, blue, is turning to red, white, black.

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Apr 18 2010, 08:49 PM
Man that's a little paranoid
Paranoid?
WTF? How can anybody actually miss the evidence all around us and be stupid enough to deny it's going on?

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I did see 2 blokes arrested for kicking a ball about on stockport station. Nice to see BB has his priorities in order.
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WLB should have been banned ny now - the mods know him
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I can handle being called paranoid however when its staring you in the face and you still cant accept it then i would liken you to a woolly farm animal.

Its a good job im not Hidyat Amin, 34, of Alum Rock, Birmingham. as you would be getting a right good shafting :sheepshagger:

Anyway I post topics like this because i see major problems regarding free speech and freedom in general if the current trend is anything to go by. I get the feeling that the overwhelming immigration has been left to continue so that our goverments can divide us up peicemeal to the EU. While we are distracted with infighting these people make more laws in the name of terrorism and security....while still letting those in who despise us as people and hate our way of life of course!?

Its like our reasons for moving forums which we all know..we could be shut down at any time on this one couldnt we?

Its pretty realistic to say that this gov will use every underhand tactic they can if its to save thier skins and we havent seen the worst of them yet.

We have much to fear!

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2008/08/28/the-orwellian-nightmare-is-here/

In the Queen’s speech this autumn Gordon Brown’s government will announce a scheme to institute a database of every telephone call, email, and act of online usage by every resident of the UK. It will propose that this information will be gathered, stored, and “made accessible” to the security and law enforcement agencies, local councils, and “other public bodies”.

This fact should be in equal parts incredible and nauseating. It is certainly enraging and despicable. Not even George Orwell in his most febrile moments could have envisaged a world in which every citizen could be so thoroughly monitored every moment of the day, spied upon, eavesdropped, watched, tracked, followed by CCTV cameras, recorded and scrutinised. Our words and web searches, our messages and intimacies, are to be stored and made available to the police, the spooks, the local council - the local council! - and “other public bodies”.



But as to the first matter: protecting us - by making us all suspects, all potential criminals and terrorists - from terrorism and criminality. Well: the first duty of our politicians should be to protect our liberties, and to encourage us to see that liberty carries risks, which we should be trusted to understand and accept so that we can make our own lives our own way.


I think this paragraph is important

Is this adequate to today, before the new universal surveillance comes on stream? Is it adequate to future developments in surveillance technology, to future even less benign governments, to increased “security” powers in actual or alleged future states of emergency? What new crimes, new criminals, new threats to society, will need to be plucked from the watched masses? Smokers? Readers of unauthorised books? Will old crimes return - homosexuality, Catholicism, Jewishness, atheism, adultery, pre-marital sex? Will every individual have to be a tight-lipped, right-thinking, timid, dutiful, obedient, queue-forming clone to escape the censure of the unblinking eye now being opened by the state upon us?
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We are already seeing cases of proffesionals who lose thier jobs because of thier political stance, and people who are persecuted for not agreeing with the 'status quo'. Criminalizing smokers and energy wasters ..it was only the other day i spoke to someone on skype from nottingham who had had his wheelie bin chipped. They will find themselves in my bin if i catch em trying it on haha!

The national Id card basically links everything u have and could be used against you in a number of ways its only volantary at the moment but they are rolling it in fast.

Also another word on the grapvine is that traffic wardens are now (or will be) issued with an extra 2 cards for thier proffesion one that gives them (lite) powers of arrest and another that will enable them to remove you of property. This is because the EU is to rename them to Civil Enforcement Officers which will give them extra powers...anyway ill do my best to provide the info on that one. If anyone wants to (admit) being a traffic warden BOOoooO! ;) then i would apprieciate any info u can provide.

The TW thing might sound far fetched but it wouldnt bloody suprise me..watch this space.

anyway coffee time :)
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Apr 18 2010, 08:49 PM
Man that's a little paranoid
Paranoia is good...


False paranoia (UAF for example) is bad.
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I was going to comment but I don't want the security services knowing what my opinions are.

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i must come over as parranoid to some that know me.? i prefer to think am just keeping an eye on the game that will end ultimately in total controll.if we allow it that is
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Apr 19 2010, 12:32 AM
WLB should have been banned ny now - the mods know him
I am glad he wasn't banned straight away now, it led to the ultimate ownage.
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Yes, classic. Billy nomates got :owned:
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Apr 19 2010, 12:14 PM
i must come over as parranoid to some that know me.? i prefer to think am just keeping an eye on the game that will end ultimately in total controll.if we allow it that is
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean their not all out to get me.
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