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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 06:54 PM Post #51 |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 07:03 PM Post #52 |
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Hahahah eveyone has got to read this thread http://forum.planet-rugby.com/index.php?t=msg&th=188891&prevloaded=1&&start=30 That freak is raging, absolutely raging. Without a hint of irony he is complaining about being banned here, when he had the sole aim of baiting people, but he's bans people on there for f**k all. Mental midget. |
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 07:10 PM Post #53 |
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Yea, he is a bit of a fool. I can see the thread now I have change computer but my original one is banned to the point of not seeing the forum full stop. There will always be hot ones come here, we cant help them, so let them have their fun and wander off unsatisfied or intellectually bitch slapped back to the land of ignorance |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 07:20 PM Post #54 |
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that pillock is really having a go what a f**king tosspot
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| Heathen | Apr 17 2010, 07:38 PM Post #55 |
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Hehehe... This functional idiot's is his own worst enemy! Is this a pic of globo's mother..?? ![]() sorry lads, but i find this thread wery entertaining. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 07:48 PM Post #56 |
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ive jus read it, looks like they all think hes some kind of a prick bar a couple of em? what a moron. bet he's popular in his local pub. has the mythical 'dac' stole his ball or something? |
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 07:53 PM Post #57 |
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Yes, he likes to post from roof of his card house. Shame he could not hold down an intellectual opinion when pushed. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 07:57 PM Post #58 |
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so whats the story with 1AUK? hes been hanging round a few hours not posting like globbys**te last night? is it him thro a proxy as spotted by anxiety86 within 5 seconds? |
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| ENUFisENUF | Apr 17 2010, 07:58 PM Post #59 |
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I wish I could see if Frankie Carrol's post was still there but, on this computer, I can't see anything but a message saying I was banned for good. I posted it as an introduction, hoping to be able to get involved in a proper debate. No such luck, immediate banning for stating allegiance with EDL. globos sounds like a petulant 14 year old. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:01 PM Post #60 |
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globos wrote on Sat, 17 April 2010 19:41 Good point IC Those loons on there have so much hate in them that they can't see past there nose. I'd love to see the collective tax take for the posters there as opposed to here. They as a whole contribute nothing to Britain or even Europe. I've watched some of the youtube clips on them are they really are complete chav scum of the highest order.One clip showed them all laughing uncontrollably like inbred morons when a reporter asked if it was any more then a drinking club for the thick. The Mods there would not post my replies and claimed they were just moderated and i was not banned till later which is utter s**t. All they have done with there twisted lies is made another person interested in but these scum to bed. DAC really is a sick man to be so heavily involved with such people and i'll laugh when his life is destroyed because of his hate. Thank f**k these people have no money or power and that the educated classes are so against them. Natural selection with one day rid us of these scum..it's so fitting that they are bound through the love of football. And if those council scum are reading this then goodluck in your pathetic loser lives Perhaps your posts were too subtle for the bearpit |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:02 PM Post #61 |
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i dont think 'im more educated than you' was subtle! yeah i rekon hes about 14 or another ukfightback! |
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 08:08 PM Post #62 |
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for you ENUFisENUF
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:09 PM Post #63 |
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DragsterDriver wrote on Sat, 17 April 2010 19:52 Not sure why you need this sort of crap on a rugby forum. Well let it slide down the bored now as i've had enough of them. More then one way to skin a cat. |
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 08:10 PM Post #64 |
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What ever, give him a chance please. By his words we will know, till then lets not judge |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:13 PM Post #65 |
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Why are we still going on about globos, he's nothing but a smug uneducated child. Dont give him the "fame" of discussing him. Agreed, give A1UK a chance. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:17 PM Post #66 |
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its just a longtime since ive encountered such a huge tit. (1992 bridlington to be precise )
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:22 PM Post #67 |
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If you want to get some idea of the range of people supporting EDL come and find the gay group (look for rainbow flag or pink triangles). You'll find jewish lesbians, portuguese anarchists, someone with a PhD, one guy married to an asian, a Tory, and several trade unionists, a couple of hooligans, and me (I normally vote labour/libdem). I respect you for coming to see for yourself what is going on. Before I went on EDL demos I kind of thought the media lied, but now I know it for sure. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:23 PM Post #68 |
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What an utter tit that Globos manchild is, raving and ranting about how we all are so uneducated and chavvy to the bone, but last night when I invited him to debate, he got lost on his own account after a few posts of mine to never return. Could be me, but I am extremely annoyed at either being called a racist or uneducated. I am neither and prepared to prove so, but this lot will always call names first and if you try to engage them with rationale, they turn silent. f**k them. |
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 08:26 PM Post #69 |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:29 PM Post #70 |
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Doesn't Gobbo see he's missed his true vocation in life, a job he could easily take in his stride. There must be a village somewhere that need a fully functioning idiot.
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:31 PM Post #71 |
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1AUK seems like he understands the situation. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:31 PM Post #72 |
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He talks of respecting others but is CONSTANTLY going on about how little other people earn and how they've underachieved. Even called his own brother a "lazy dumb c**t". He's just a very angry, sexually frustrated thicko. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:34 PM Post #73 |
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I seen him slag off his brother, his own brother, what a disgusting pieace of work. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:36 PM Post #74 |
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Just for the record, he wasn`t banned when he said he was. He was put on moderation. We could see his posts. I don`t know who dislikes him more - some of you on here or quite a few on his own forum - not well liked.
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:38 PM Post #75 |
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Don't you need opposable thumbs for that job?
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 08:40 PM Post #76 |
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Yep, he didn't like me pointing it out either, banned in mins
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| Deleted User | Apr 17 2010, 08:56 PM Post #77 |
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Perhaps his brother? |
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 09:09 PM Post #78 |
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Ok, now we have had 76 posts at the young lads expense shall we get back on track? |
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 09:10 PM Post #79 |
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just to recap Shagger wrote I don't get this thread? You want to start a debate about immigration? Here's a starter for ten then: In any political battle, it is essential to have a clear understanding of the polls. There are two key points for framing a stance on immigration: 1) 90% of the British people reject a policy "ending all immigration". 2) Substantial majorities of all categories of the British people favor massive cuts of >80% in current immigration levels. (See below) So the official stance of the EDL on immigration should be: "We do not advocate a complete halt in immigration. We do advocate very steep cuts in the current immigration levels." If this approach is taken, the EDL is very much not on the "far right", and in fact is in the "mainstream center". They are speaking for the majority of British people, and they should boldly assume the confidence and high-ground which that gives them. They must reiterate over and over that they are speaking for the majority of the British people, and that those who stand against them are fringe elements of the far left who have no support from the public. Here are the stats to back up the point I am making: ****** 72% think the government is handling immigration poorly. 41% think immigration does more harm than help to the country. 59% think that immigration has had little or no effect on their local area. 36% think immigrants might pose a threat to public order and safety. 52% think immigrants might pose a threat to employment. 62% think that immigration might lead to Britain losing its identity. ***** 63% think immigration should be "much tougher" while a further 11% say there should be no more immigration. There are significant differences in the way the issue is viewed by men and women — with many more females saying they do not believe that immigration is good for Britain. ***** 54% think there are too many immigrants in this country. 58% think the Islamic faith treats women as second class citizens. 90% reject a policy of "ending all immigration". ***** - 76% want to see net immigration cut from its present level of 237,000 a year to 50,000 or less a year. Of that 76%, 32% want to see a policy of “one in, one out” while 22% want to see no immigration at all. The party affiliations are also of interest: - A sharp cut in immigration (to 50,000 a year or less) was supported by 85% of Conservative, 70% of Labour[1] and 65% of Lib Dem voters. ***** -70% want immigration cut by over 80% 17% believe net foreign immigration should be reduced to 50,000 a year 39% thought there should be no net immigration 16% thought there should be more emigrants than immigrants. -79% were concerned or very concerned about the issued of immigration. - Over half ABC1s (52%) and C2DEs (58%) thought that immigration should be cut to either no net immigration or there should be more emigrants than migrants. -Young people also think that immigration should be drastically reduced: a total of 63% of 18-34 year olds thought that net immigration should be either 50,000 a year, or there should be no net immigration; or that emigration should be greater than immigration. -65 % of Londoners think that net immigration should be cut by 80% while 50% think that there should either be no net immigration, or emigration should be greater than immigration. A key point: Limits on immigration are the best way to chop the process of Islamization off at the knees. It's a powerful way to limit muslim numbers, and thus suppress their demographic muscle. It is also easy to push because a large majority of the British public backs it. In short, this is a strong tactical combination which can deliver a major setback to the muslims. Edited by studio, Apr 17 2010, 09:13 PM.
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 09:14 PM Post #80 |
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ignominius posted Immigration can be a good thing and it can be a bad thing. At the present rates that we are currently experiencing it's a bad thing. Nearly half a million new souls are coming to these islands. We currently are not building enough housing to keep up with the current population demands let alone with additional peoples from abroad. Our Health service is falling apart because it doesn't have sufficient funding - there's not enough money in the pot to look after everyone the way it was originally envisaged. Further population increases only makes the problem worse. Crime is going up especially those from outside of the EU. Unfortunately this is usually a black and East European problem. On the positive side, the immigration does bring in cheap labour to carry out tasks - manufacturing, farming, security, cleaning etc - that we can't afford to take up - which gives us the illusion of a certain amount of prosperity. The downside to it is that once they the immigrants realise that there are better paid jobs out there they grab them often using the racially devisive positive disrcimination laws to gain jobs that very often they are not qualified to do. (Known this from personal experience). Which leaves the indigenous population (whatever race, black, white, mixed etc) without jobs that they would otherwise have had. Many of the economic migrants are not well educated or cannot even speak the language (english). Controlled immigration is fine, uncontrolled massed immigration is a danger to us all. Uncontrolled immigration has been thrust upon us for a number of reasons. The first and primary reason is to destroy our national identity, it has also been done to destroy the concept of nation state. The final reason is the one the Labour have finally admitted to in that they were using immigration to create a situation in which immigrants (in this case largely muslim) would be grateful to Labour and so only vote for them and not say for the Tories or LibDems. Limiting immigration is not racist. Halting all immigration is not feasible or desirable. Halting all immigration from Pakistan, Middle-east and Somalia would be a much better approach. Stopping immigration from these lands won't stop islamification but it will slow it down and give us the chance to reverse it. There is no legitimate reason for anyone coming to these shore other than genuine asylum seekers be allowed in. We need strict border controls that allow us to choose who and who doesn't come into our fair land. No asylum seeker should be allowed in unless he/she has first sought asylum in the nearest country to the one he/she is running from. |
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 09:15 PM Post #81 |
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and again Thanks Ash....I don't know the exact figures or the ratio, but I do remember that immigration dwarfs emmigration. Those leaving these shores are largely indigenous Brits leaving our island - although they are not the totality. As for Eastern European peoples coming here, I don't really have a problem with them, although I think the numbers should be better controlled. The one big problem I see with those coming from Eastern Europe and I have personal experience (again) of this, is those illegals coming here from Albania - they come here either under the pretence of being Kosovon or they head for Italy and get a European passport and then enter the country legally. If I can find this out for myself I dont believe for one instant that the borders agency can't or doesn't already know about this. Yet nothing is being done. What I believe is that most immigration, particularly from Africa is economic. These people need to be helped in their own country. We need, as one of the wealthy western nations, help African states to build their countries so that they are on par with ours, so that the need to migrate is gone. We need to improve their housing, infrastructure and trade arrangements. Help them set up industries and business so that the African nations become prosperous. This puts an onus on the Africans to learn to be good citizens, to learn proper governance and to shun bribery and corruption. As for immigration from the Muslim states, this should be halted completely. There is no reason for any of these people to be coming to this country. There is no legitimate reason and it should be stopped. Simple as. Each case should be examined on a merit basis as the odd doctor or lawyer or engineer may be able to add to our economy and our way of life but largely from those islamic states are not worth allowing in. Posted Image |
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 09:16 PM Post #82 |
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boudicca offered I agree with what ignominius said about africa. It is important to add that whilst their are regimes, i will use Zimbabwe as a case to point, who are controlled by a dictator, who at any opportunity will use the funds provided from foreign aid to build another mansion , or steal the food provided for the poor to feed the soilders .... and supplying weapons instead of feeding the people that need need it most, there needs to be a better way to control how that aid gets to the people that need it ... Ethiopia is a classic point, the land there is in fact pretty fertile and they do have the ability to grow their crops with the right equipment and so forth, but how much of the money raise by band aid actually landed on the doorstep of those people that really needed it ..... We cant just continue pumping money at something for it to be abused .... its not sustainable, and its not healthy for those that really matter. The UN should be sending troops to these very countries to help them restore some sense of order, to prevent the blatant abuse by the so called dicators, but in the same hand let the poeple decide who should government them via democratic elections, none of this putting in a western puppet.... because again we will have the same problem as we have had with iraq, iran and so forth, where we have meddled and it has backfired spectacularly ... Now for my pov on the issue of immigration. First thing that needs to be consiodered before any immigration can be considered is the ability of the country to actually support the influx and maintain a reasonble standard of living for the current inhabitants of the country in question ... Any immigration as a result of death threats, or war situations i welcome with open arms, because this is what i would expect from another country if ever i were to be threatened in this way. What is key to this is that these immigrants should be treated as temporary stays, in that once the war ceases, or the threat to their lives cease to exist they should return back to their native country. Immigration that helps us to support our services, and improves / brings much needed skills should also be allowed. This however must work in tandem with the need to ensure that the education system is geared to help fill the skill shortfalls were they are clearly needed. Those that enter the country illegally should not be allowed to wander freely and should be detained in a holding center until their immigration status can be determined. Illegal immigration is i feel the biggest problem for the UK. We just do not know how many have come, and who they are .. this is a danger to our way of life not just as a matter of security but also a matter of health. Some poele are coming from countries that have exotic diseases, or diseases that are not controlled, TBis a good case to point. The burden this places on out health service because of these 'unscreened' visitors entering the country is worrying. We have worked hard to eradicate some of the worse diseases know to man and this is put under serious threat as a result ... TB is an unpleasant killer .... Any imported animals / plants are placed on quarantine to protect the native species the same should apply also to immigrants. This is just sheer common sense. All immigrants that want to remain in the UK indefinitely should be made to swear allegiance to the flag/queen ... and there should be clear guidelines in relation you conduct of them and their immediate family in the fist 10 yrs, any breach of law or threat to our security should be treated with expulsion not only to the person committing the offence but to the intimidate family ... Immigration should also be capped, i dont agree with an immigration amnesty and i would like a more stringent points based system on par with what they have in other countries i.e. Australia.. And finally, no immigration policy should allow for the destruction of the culture, all immigrants must abide by the law of the land. You dont want to abide by the law of the land then i am sorry .. you are not welcome ... Edited by studio, Apr 17 2010, 09:17 PM.
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| studio | Apr 17 2010, 09:35 PM Post #83 |
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I really fail to understand how as an Island we can not keep track of numbers!! Immigration, emigration are very important. We need Immigration. there are jobs that we lack skilled staff to fill. But do we need more waiters, road sweepers etc. With nearly 3,000,000 unemployed we need to concentrate reducing that figure even at the expense of a short term closed border |
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| General Pershing | Apr 17 2010, 10:34 PM Post #84 |
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What people seem to get confused about with the unemployment figures is that it shouldn't really read 3,000,000 unemployed. It should really read 3,000,000 unemployable. The benefit system as it is, means that these people are way better off on benefits. They get everything paid for them (almost). Just look at the family of seven in todays paper for example, raking in over £800 a week in benefits, all their rent paid, council tax paid for them, everything. What job could this guy possibly get that pays more than that and makes it worth while getting out his bed in the morning? None! So, the unemployment figures are a little misleading. There should be two sets of figures. One for the unemployed and one for the (real terms) unemployable. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 18 2010, 08:48 PM Post #85 |
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How about we improve our own housing, infrastrucutre and trade arrangements first? "We" are not one of the world's rich nations. Far from it. We are flat broke without enough houses, a creaking infrastructure and our trade arrangements are governed by Brussels. Wish we were in a position to be the world's Mother Teresa, we arent. |
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| studio | Apr 19 2010, 07:41 AM Post #86 |
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I am self employed, in the last year I would have been financially better off Unemployed than working for about 33% of it. For the rest of the time I am not that much better off. My wife went out to part time work that now allows me to stay open while the economy stops playing around. It would have been easier to pack in and sign on, but self pride forbids that. The financially unemployable need a decent dose of self pride. WFC & WTC would bring any short fall up. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 07:55 AM Post #87 |
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Gordon Brown risked an angry backlash over immigration yesterday by telling voters to get the problem in 'perspective'. http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3213675/1/#new |
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