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| jrado | Apr 18 2010, 10:33 PM Post #101 |
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How many Muslims in the UK adhere to that? Very few. |
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| jrado | Apr 18 2010, 10:35 PM Post #102 |
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I think by neighbours I mean people within 200m. Don't think all those 22,000 people are exactly immediate neighbours or the place is seriously over crowded! |
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| jrado | Apr 18 2010, 10:36 PM Post #103 |
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How is any one losing their culture by a mosque being built? Think you'll find there have been lots of big planning disputes, e.g. over nuclear power plants, Heathrow expansion, BIA expansion etc. Funds? Is that relevant? Would you oppose an office block if it were being built by a Dubai investor? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 18 2010, 10:36 PM Post #104 |
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Are you another one from Planet Rugby? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 18 2010, 10:37 PM Post #105 |
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What do you base that statement on? How do you know? The Dudley Central Mosque doesn't suffer from overcrowding so why is this new one being built? This site should've been set aside for job creation, jobs for all not jobs for local Muslims alone. Where has the money come from? Why have the wishes of the local people and their democratically elected representatives been ignored? |
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| nolongersilent | Apr 18 2010, 10:37 PM Post #106 |
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200m LMFAO - is that the legislated EU definition......
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| Deleted User | Apr 18 2010, 10:37 PM Post #107 |
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Eh the mosque is taking up land which could be used for something to service the whole community. Why do only immediate neighbours count? You're not making any sense. Try harder. Thanks. |
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| studio | Apr 18 2010, 10:37 PM Post #108 |
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I do hope you do not object jrado. I am normally willing to debate with anybody, but there has to be social ground rules. Baiting for inappropriate 'sound bite' comments rather than trying to seriously get to the bottom of a point is not in my make up. For now I will just put you on the ignore list. When you want to open up the conversation to reasoned argument, one where you would be willing to admit being mistaken in your initial belief (My natural state of reasoning) please ask somebody to quote you saying so. Until then you shall remain invisible to me. |
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| nolongersilent | Apr 18 2010, 10:41 PM Post #109 |
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jrado cant even get a rise out of studio thats how transparent he is - LOL......
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| jrado | Apr 18 2010, 10:41 PM Post #110 |
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I don't think they should be discredited, but I just wonder why you are worked up about this one mosque? Will one mosque make a difference? Would you be as bothered if it were a Hindu temple or a church that 22,000 people opposed. I don't think it is fair to judge whether there are enough mosques - you can't know that without visiting them, which I assume you haven't. Money - it's private money. Not like the council are building this. Land - there is plenty of Land that could be redeveloped elsewhere in Dudley. Disused land Dudley has lots of. we can't always side with the majority, otherwise minorities would never get anything. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 18 2010, 10:42 PM Post #111 |
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Job creation or benefit to the economy developments I can understand being question at governmental planning level, but a mosque for what they tell us is a very small minority in this country? Why has local opinion been overturned? This is about power of mosque groups and the idea is for the mosque to overshadow the town. Do you live in Dudley? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 18 2010, 10:45 PM Post #112 |
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As he's signed up, I guess that makes Mr Goldberg our first celebrity (For serious lack of a better word) fan!!
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| Deleted User | Apr 18 2010, 10:45 PM Post #113 |
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If its private money why don't they open the books and let everyone see where it has come from.... If I was to say I had ammassed millions it would be scrutinised |
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| Deleted User | Apr 18 2010, 10:45 PM Post #114 |
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Yeah but Bournville is a nice area
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| jrado | Apr 18 2010, 10:45 PM Post #115 |
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Again there is plenty of unused land in Dudley to go round. Right guys nice meeting you all. Slightly surprised by the reaction that I am a troll given that I have no name called anyone or insulted anything, but whatever. Sorry I can't stay here for ever, but please do leave any constructive comments for my return. Good night |
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| jrado | Apr 18 2010, 10:47 PM Post #116 |
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P.S. just to reiterate I am not Adrian Goldberg! Really. Ta
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| nolongersilent | Apr 18 2010, 10:48 PM Post #117 |
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night night |
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| Deleted User | Apr 18 2010, 10:49 PM Post #118 |
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At least you never got banned mate! |
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| ENUFisENUF | Apr 18 2010, 10:56 PM Post #119 |
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jrado, if you ''know'' Islam then I assume you have read the qur'an,hadiths and tafsir? If so, you'll see that, apart from others' posts on here that legitimately refute another mosque in Dudley, that it is a sub conscious, passive aggressive win for Islam to have a place of worship overlooking an infidel town. This is part of jihad, to infiltrate, both physically and psychologically, everywhere a muslim lives. The qur'an states that wherever muslims live is considered muslim land. It states that believers are honour bound to spread the word violently if they hold greater numbers and non violently if they are outnumbered in the land of the kuffar. Look at what happened in Lebanon, a once majority christian land. The majority christians tolerated creeping Islam until Islam became too large an animal to keep contained. Then the tolerant christians were murdered and kept in fear until they left the country. Read the qur'an, I beseech you.You will see, first hand,what Allah expects of his followers. Disclaimer: I am atheist, I hate all religions. But Islam the one major religion that has gone backward when all others have been dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century. Pat Condell says it well, I suggest you look at his vids, starting with this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyNQ1zc-q74&playnext_from=TL&videos=JE4Tqd0g_ZI I can also recommend a few books by ex muslims, but try these vids first. |
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| ENUFisENUF | Apr 18 2010, 10:58 PM Post #120 |
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Oh and Wahaabi Islam is now the domionant teaching in all new mosques and schools in Britain. Because these establishments, like Dudley mosque,are funded by Saudi. |
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“Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.”-Thomas Jefferson | |
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| Deleted User | Apr 18 2010, 11:02 PM Post #121 |
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Let me continue in the numbering vein then. But your pretence that you've come here for an open and informed discussion is looking pretty thin. 1) Given you don't have a TV and you do have internet access, what is the explanation for your ignorance? You don't even have to pay anything to get access to all the quality newspapers and the BBC on the internet. And you're not wasting time being distracted by BB, XFactor, etc. 2) Your skewed personal experience counts for nought. The Gallup survey last year showed that whilst circa 60% of the general public in the UK are tolerant towards homosexuality, 0% of muslims are tolerant of homosexuality. Apologists like you always try to equate islam with christianity. If this was a muslim country homosexuality would be at best an imprisonable offence, at worst a capital offence. As for muslims not acting on it: year on year the rates of homophobic violence in east london have gone up by about 200%. Where anyone bothers to ask or discuss this, gay people identify muslims as being the primary sources for such violence. Christianity is on the way out in western europe, only to be replaced by something far more violent and bigoted. 3) The Labour Force Survey shows that the number of practitioners of other minority religions such as hinduism and sikhism have remained constant, whereas the number of muslims has gone up from < 3% of the population to almost 10% of the population. If you are happy to see an islamic government in years to come, you've got nothing to worry about. 4) It doesn't matter what you think about an islamic state. If you'd bother to look at the URL I'd given you, you'd see that muslim leaders like Mawdudi recognize the similarities between the islamic state they want and the totalitarian states. Prof. Edwardes introduction to the Sira also states that the islamic state is a totalitarian state. Please state your credentials that we should know why we should give more credence to your expert knowledge instead of Mawdudi or Edwardes. 5) Since there is proof that major mosques are connected to terrorism, sedition and bigotry, the answer is "yes". We need muslims to become ex-muslims. We need to stop them being paranoid, insular and bigoted. 6) Sharia law doesn't bother you? Well it should, even if it is only in civil cases. Women will be pressured into accepting decisions that are unfavourable to them. Or are you going to say that doesn't happen? You really think that in a religion where women are 2nd class citizens, and a culture that practices such violence against women, that women are not going to be subject to unfair treatment? 7) Again, you are ignorant of the differences between halal slaughter and humane slaughter. If the jewish population was growing the way the muslim population was growing, and if significant numbers of people were being fed halal against their knowledge or wishes I'd be opposed to that too. And guess what? Muslims don't even have to eat halal meat. The Koran is perfectly clear that they can eat haram food if they are hungry, but they must not desire it (it says that in several different places). Have you read the Koran and the Sira? Do you even know what you are defending? Answer me that. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 02:27 PM Post #122 |
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Jirado...what's this all about then?
People tried to debate but you had to retire early, no mention from me of you being any of the above? You want to debate Dudley, any of you from the stirrer forum, feel free.... but you must be able to handle uncomfortable truths |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 03:23 PM Post #123 |
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Just to clear this matter up. FAO: thestirrer, jrado, dxn7: This forum is run and moderated alot better than most other forums - incl. thestirrer forum. We do not ban people for having a different opinion, unlike some forums. We are open to debate, as above members have stated. Mods/admin are the people that do the `blocking` and banning - and jrado, as mentioned above - it was you who said you were retiring early. Again, as pointed out above, anyone from thestirrer is more than welcome to come and have a chat - just don`t get offended - like you do on your own forum - when we highlight the truth. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 05:13 PM Post #124 |
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From the moment jrado entered to the moment he retired to bed was less than 60 minutes. He was furnished with reasons, explanations and references. He did not appear to look at any of the references, and he had his pre-conceived responses to the reasons. Like I said, he wasn't interested in an open and informed discussion. It's amazing how many of these people come on here expecting to find the "knuckle-dragging thugs" the media tell them they'll find. When they find a range of diverse and informed people, they skulk off, licking their wounds. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 19 2010, 05:16 PM Post #125 |
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go to he guest bit and tell dia young that mate...hes another. |
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| ignominius | Apr 19 2010, 05:37 PM Post #126 |
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I'd like to throw my tanner's worth in.... i) Christianity does indeed teach that homosexuality is a sin, but it does not call for the death of of homosexuals. Christianity also says that theft and lying are sins but doesn't call for the killing or mutilation of said people. It's the sin not the people that Judeo-Christanity is against. So to compare Christianity to Islam is just stupid and if you had really studied Islam as you claimed you would know that Islam is unequivocal about the fate of homosexuals. It's death. As a Christian I have no problem mixing with homosexuals or having them as friends. It's not place to judge them or their choice - that is up to the maker. That's not so of Islam. As for the mosque in Dudley, why is the democratic process being ignored by council officials? Where the money is coming from to build the mosque is very important. The money is coming from Saudi Arabian Petrodollars. They use the mosques to spread the most hateful and violent (and virulent) form of Islam - Salafi/Wahabbist Islam. They install Pakistani trained (Deobandi or Wahabbist )or Saudi Immams and fill it with ideological materials promoting hatred and bigotry and racism. That is why it's opposed by the EDL. Also mosques are social centres just like churches and their halls. The difference is that only Muslims can use these social centre facilities. Church halls are open to all Christian, non-christian and non-believers alike. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 12:18 AM Post #127 |
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They've let a few EDL lads slip throught the net now and they are being absolutely destroyed. "There's no such thing as English culture" Response I ask because what kind of small minded, brainwashed, self loathing Englishman would need English culture defining? Picnics by the river, walks in the countryside, roast beef and Yorkshire puddings, real ale, cream teas, cricket on a summer afternoon, sandcastles, buckets and spades, deckchairs on the beach, fishing for sticklebacks, chestnuts roasting on an open fire, Autumn bonfires, Wensleydale cheese, changing of the Guard at Buckingham Palace, Easter egg hunts, steamed puddings, fish and chips... "Yeah but out of all them only real ale applies to me!!!" They really aren't the brightest bunch. Dimmer than the planet rugby crew. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 12:23 AM Post #128 |
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http://www.thestirrer.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8028&start=100 The link if you're interested |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 12:42 AM Post #129 |
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I feel sick Pam Dean only lives round the corner from me, well near enough. What a vile anti-english creep she is. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 12:55 AM Post #130 |
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Both her and that Kingy are pretty pathetic if you ask me, are they children playing on an adult forum, they should have been in bed hours ago |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:00 AM Post #131 |
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Mr Goldberg aka thestirrer is just about to start his show on talksport. Wonder if he will have a dig at the Patriots tonight? Bet he is a lot more open on there than he is on here. They have problems with their link to the show, but its on 1053 0r 1089 on MW. Or, 0108 on sky. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:02 AM Post #132 |
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I will give him 10 minutes before the first anti-English comment.
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:06 AM Post #133 |
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Can you get it on the internet, do you have a link? And why do I have to post everything twice for it to go through?
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:11 AM Post #134 |
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Normally you can google `talksport.net` and click `listen live`. That site is down apparently, so can`t post the link. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:11 AM Post #135 |
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She seems to feel that Henchman has made a threat and I've tried to reassure her that he hasn't. Which of course he hasn't, I suppose we can sound a bit rough sometimes which may sound a bit scary, but when you look at Kingy's posts to me makes Henchman sound like a saint. She says that she has registered here and if she posts I think we should be polite and reassure her that no threat was intended. There are two points here, one, this is a move to get us banned or she is genuinly concerned, if the latter, then reassurence is a must, or am I being to gentle? Anyway, we will see tomorrow cos it's past my bedtime. Henchman, no offence mate. Arthur. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:13 AM Post #136 |
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Same site wont load for me, I am in bed too and only have Sky in the front. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:13 AM Post #137 |
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It was worded `hyperthetically`. He put that before his post. Straws and clutching spring to mind. She will be as welcome as any other newbie as long as she doesn`t go down the same road as the rugger lot. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:16 AM Post #138 |
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OK thanks anyway. When you get chance, could you look to see if my membership has gone back to normal please as having to reply twice to get it to work, not sure if it's this laptop though, but seemed ok earlier |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:16 AM Post #139 |
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Will check for you. |
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| Luke Young | Apr 20 2010, 02:01 AM Post #140 |
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lol. Erm, no you don't. Nor do you know anything about Orthodox Jews or Christianity either it seems! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 11:19 AM Post #141 |
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Still no proper debate from the Stirrer Crew I see. They come on here and run off when a decent opposite view is offered, typical socialists Pam Dean is a vile piece of work, deluded by her own self-importance, people like her are all that is wrong with the West Midlands. As for Kingy, he disregards the 22k signatures on the anti-mosque pertition and asks whatabout the 200k people who didn't sign, I trust he has all their names down on a petition supporting the mosque, never mind the fact that the ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES of the people, the council turned down the application...... |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 11:22 AM Post #142 |
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We have to apologise now for our blunt working class culture? She can go and see the police all she wants I know what they will say, 'No threats have been made, I suggest you stay away from Internet forums Mrs Dean'.... Pathetic, and laughable that they can't take proper debate without trying to run to the authorities, people like her are pathetic |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 12:19 PM Post #143 |
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Pam Dean has tried to sign up with the user name Walnut but won't be validated until she has the manners to post and say hello. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 12:22 PM Post #144 |
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Oh that should be fun,
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:18 PM Post #145 |
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Having read her rabid, hysterical comments on the stirrer forum, the comedy value of the PR trolling attempts will pale into insignificance. Let her loose!
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| ignominius | Apr 20 2010, 01:20 PM Post #146 |
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yes. let her loose. It will be a lamb amongst the velociraptors. Very messy, very enjoyable. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:22 PM Post #147 |
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I do hope she brings her friend Kingy over for moral support too! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:25 PM Post #148 |
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i can see a new avatar being used soon......
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 01:27 PM Post #149 |
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PMSL C'mon admin... open the cage door!
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| Deleted User | Apr 20 2010, 02:11 PM Post #150 |
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Please let her on mate, she wont post without the back-up of her hysterical socialist gang from the stirrer forum, but at least she can't cry 'freedom of speech' or that we were scared to let her air her warped views on here. I would love a sensible debate with one of them, obviously I am not gonna get that with Mad Pam, but I wish one of them would have the nuts to at least stand their ground and have a reasoned debate... |
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