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Topic Started: Apr 15 2010, 12:40 AM (1,619 Views)
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And he is gone...
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I joined their forum last week and have just posted a reply back to their thread on us but its got to be moderated first before it goes up so we will see if they respond .
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Apr 18 2010, 08:14 PM
And he is gone...
Perhaps he's gone to fetch 'Wildcat'......
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Wonder if he is on talksport tonight?
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what forum is this thestirrer from and can i have a link
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Apr 16 2010, 08:31 PM
They have posted a topic about this thread.

http://www.thestirrer.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8028
Link is above.
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Someone like this isn't capable of having a constructive arguement when they do not have a "team" on board. The stirrer will obvious blag his ugly ass face elsewere but he wouldn't come here and debate his problems and issues with the EDL. Maybe if he got some of his followers here he'd grow a pair of balls and talk, but until then, his silence says it all.
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To say he calls himself the STIRRER he hasnt done much stirring ;)

Personally beings hes a supporter of the UAF our enemy id boot the fcuker off
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I am more than willing and indeed ready to interact with them any on level they see fit but I have a feeling , no a concrete belief that the braindead name calling the left are world famous for when confronted by a righteous argument will not be long in breaking rank
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Just sent the twat a pm
Hey whats an anti British red traitor like you doing on a British/English patriotic site like this?
Beings your not doing a lot of interacting and judging by your profile info regarding your anti British stance i therefore conclude you must be an enemy scout doing recon for the great unwashed.

Regards Rule Britannia, God save the Queen, Land of hope and glory, oh and NO f**kING SURRENDER ;)
"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!"

Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished

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Welcome

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Apr 18 2010, 09:28 PM
Welcome

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Hi everyone!

I'm up for reasoned debate, but I have to say, judging by the previous post, that isn't too popular around here? Please prove me wrong!!

Ok to start some reasoned debate - please could someone explain why building a new mosque in Dudley will foster extremism? Surely the new mosque won't increase numbers of muslims (just mean existing mosques are less overcrowded) and the number of extremists will stay the same.

But it would mean other muslims are pleased that they have a nice new mosque and not bitter about being in a nasty old one - therefore less likely to be radicalised? no?
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Good news I am now posting on there .
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Told you another one would be along!
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Apr 18 2010, 09:44 PM
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Welcome

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Hi everyone!

I'm up for reasoned debate, but I have to say, judging by the previous post, that isn't too popular around here? Please prove me wrong!!

Ok to start some reasoned debate - please could someone explain why building a new mosque in Dudley will foster extremism? Surely the new mosque won't increase numbers of muslims (just mean existing mosques are less overcrowded) and the number of extremists will stay the same.

But it would mean other muslims are pleased that they have a nice new mosque and not bitter about being in a nasty old one - therefore less likely to be radicalised? no?
Your reply immediately tickles me my friend . So the fact that the Muslims of Dudley have been given a super Mosque against the wishes of the local population is balanced by the fact that some of them will not now want to blow us up ? Surely you realise how ludicrous this sounds ? Surely ? Please ?
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Apr 18 2010, 09:49 PM
Your reply immediately tickles me my friend . So the fact that the Muslims of Dudley have been given a super Mosque against the wishes of the local population is balanced by the fact that some of them will not now want to blow us up ? Surely you realise how ludicrous this sounds ? Surely ? Please ?
That was tongue in cheek.

But the points are

(1) Why don't people want a mosque? Is there any reason to believe this will cause problems for anyone?

(2) Does it matter what some people think? Surely the main people to consult are the neighbours? People who live on the other side of Dudley are unlikely to be affected in any way, therefore their opinions are rather less important than those of people nearer.

Public opinion is important but has to be balanced against the interests of individuals and groups. E.g. when the high speed rail is built, nobody will want it near them, but it'll go somewhere because it's in the interests of the wider community.

I'm not saying Muslims are at all more important than white people in Dudley. Not at all. But they are EQUAL. Things happen the muslims don't like, but they have to live with it - in return they get a mosque other people may not like. It's called compromise. A very British concept.

(3) Does this even rate as an issue in Dudley? Wouldn't you spend your time better protesting for more investment in infrastructure, new jobs etc etc?
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@ jrado. "I'm not saying Muslims are at all more important than white people in Dudley."
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Jrado = The Stirrer
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have we got another one ruby :D
it's hard keeping up with them tonight they are all over the place
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I reckon we have another tiddler, ujac. :)
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Apr 18 2010, 10:03 PM
Jrado = The Stirrer
Guys, please, I'm not The Stirrer. I expect he's too busy to post on every internet forum on the, err, internet. Indeed, the closest I've ever even been to Mr Goldberg is about 20m.

Anyway, that issue laid to rest, perhaps you can address some of my issues?
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Jrado = The Stirrer
Guys, please, I'm not The Stirrer. I expect he's too busy to post on every internet forum on the, err, internet. Indeed, the closest I've ever even been to Mr Goldberg is about 20m.

Anyway, that issue laid to rest, perhaps you can address some of my issues?
Shut up Wildcat
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Did someone mention that there is a full moon?
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@ jrado. "I'm not saying Muslims are at all more important than white people in Dudley."
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Err, I don't see how anything I said was racist. What I said was

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I'm not saying Muslims are at all more important than white people in Dudley. Not at all. But they are EQUAL


So there you are - we are all equal under the law and have the same rights and responsibilities.

I'm sure we can all agree on that.
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jrado is a troll.

I love reasoned debate and consider myself, after studio, one of the most tolerant ppl in here. Am getting better at spotting Trolls after believing 'everyone should have a chance,'

The PR invasion has shown me that there are lots of well educated recent graduates with too much time on their hands - 'looking for a reaction'

Lets not give them the food....
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@ jrado. "I'm not saying Muslims are at all more important than white people in Dudley."
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Err, I don't see how anything I said was racist. What I said was

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I'm not saying Muslims are at all more important than white people in Dudley. Not at all. But they are EQUAL


So there you are - we are all equal under the law and have the same rights and responsibilities.

I'm sure we can all agree on that.
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Apr 18 2010, 09:44 PM
Hi everyone!

I'm up for reasoned debate, but I have to say, judging by the previous post, that isn't too popular around here? Please prove me wrong!!

Ok to start some reasoned debate - please could someone explain why building a new mosque in Dudley will foster extremism? Surely the new mosque won't increase numbers of muslims (just mean existing mosques are less overcrowded) and the number of extremists will stay the same.

But it would mean other muslims are pleased that they have a nice new mosque and not bitter about being in a nasty old one - therefore less likely to be radicalised? no?
OK, I'm game. But really, couldn't you have read some of the stuff on the main page about why there shouldn't be a mega mosque in Dudley?

Did you see the Dispatches documentary "Undercover Mosque"? When it was shown, West Midlands Police prosecuted Channel 4 with inciting racial hatred. And they lost. That means a court of law decided the documentary was fair.

What did that docu show? Muslim leaders in major mosques in Birmingham promoting homophobic violence and sedition.

What did the second documentary show? Muslim leaders in London promoting homophobic violence, and mosque shops selling the videos and books of the seditious and homophobic preachers from the first documentary.

In each case the mosques offered no apology and just tried to cover their backs.

Mosques are being used to preach extremism and terrorism (Finsbury Park mosque, Walthamstow mosque).

And what about the last Dispatches documentary a couple of weeks ago? It showed that the Islamic Forum of Europe is using entryist tactics to control political parties throughout Tower Hamlets, and to make sure the IFE's choice of muslim became the Chief Executive of Tower Hamlets. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/7333537/Radicals-with-hands-on-the-levers-of-power-the-takeover-of-Tower-Hamlets.html ). George Galloway was quoted in that documentary saying that he would never have won Bethnal Green & Bow without the help of IFE.

What's the Islamic Forum of Europe? An organization "which believes in jihad and sharia law, and wants to turn Britain and Europe into an Islamic state" (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/7333420/Islamic-radicals-infiltrate-the-Labour-Party.html ). What does an islamic state look like? Pretty much like Nazi Germany or Stalin's Russia: http://mcbwatch.blogspot.com/2005/08/panorama-mawdudi-and-selective-quoting.html .

Where is the money for these mosques coming from? Not from the local people. Jack Straw went off to Qatar to drum up money for a mosque in Blackburn: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6298788/Qatar-donates-1.5m-for-mosque-after-intervention-from-Jack-Straw.html .

Of course Labour like these mega mosques, just like they like the trade unions. It's a way for them to mobilize a "block vote" come elections.

No more mosques. No sharia law (there are already 85 such courts in the UK, and sharia discriminates against women). No halal meat (muslims are only supposed to be 3% of the population, yet 11% of meat here is halal, and halal meat is barbaric and cruel to animals).

Surveys show that young muslims are 2 to 3 times more radical than their parents. They are not integrating. The last thing we need is more mosques.

How's that for starters? Generally the people who defend islam are either a) muslims or b) know nothing about islam.
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Anyone of any ethnicity can be a muslim, don't play dumb.
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Apr 18 2010, 09:57 PM
Things happen the muslims don't like, but they have to live with it -
What are these things? :-/
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Jrado = The Stirrer
Guys, please, I'm not The Stirrer. I expect he's too busy to post on every internet forum on the, err, internet. Indeed, the closest I've ever even been to Mr Goldberg is about 20m.

Anyway, that issue laid to rest, perhaps you can address some of my issues?
Shut up Wildcat
I'm not Wildcat, nor even a wild cat.

I do feel you are diverting attention from the core issue; which is - why do you oppose the building of a mosque?

I understand quite a few people in Dudley opposed it, but I don't think you are simply opposing it in support of them - I mean I don't think the EDL were out protesting against expansion of Edgbaston Cricket Ground that pretty much all the locals there were against?

So what are the other reasons you specifically oppose this mosque?
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Anxiety - i owe you an apology - thought you were well over reacting to the PR s**t and you were right all along. :$
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time to close the thread
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Anxiety - i owe you an apology - thought you were well over reacting to the PR s**t and you were right all along. :$
It's ok.

I give up on troll watch now anyway, people telling me to give them a chance blah blah, I can spot a troll a mile off and I have never been wrong.

I wont be doing it no more, people are too gullible.

I will be a spectator from now on.
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Things happen the muslims don't like, but they have to live with it -
What are these things? :-/
Well, somewhere like Small Heath or Sparkhill in Birmingham that are practially completely muslim, they might not like there being licensed premises (that sell alcohol) in those areas, but there are and I strongly believe there should be if there is a market for it. It's compromise.
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Who mentioned white people ? Forgive me if I have missed something ? The people of Dudley represent a large cross section of British society and its these people who have spoken and then systematically been ignored by the ruling elite .
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Jrado, you tell me why ONE government planning official over ruled 22 thousand LOCAl signatures and the voice of the local people their elected representatives. Are the locals to forfeit their culture for the sake of one which is being imposed? Also where are the funds for this super mosque coming from?
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spectator - thats what i was; never got baited but it took me a while to suss them.

Attention is the oxygen of the pathetic.

No oxygen = death
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Yes please tell us where exactly are the funds coming from ?
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Heathen - you are too intelligent to get sucked into this.
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Doesn't look like he is going to respond to your post any time soon, Homo Sapien.
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Things happen the muslims don't like, but they have to live with it -
What are these things? :-/
Well, somewhere like Small Heath or Sparkhill in Birmingham that are practially completely muslim, they might not like there being licensed premises (that sell alcohol) in those areas, but there are and I strongly believe there should be if there is a market for it. It's compromise.
so by stating this, do you agree then that these areas that are losing the trade, ie pubs, are being taken over by muslims, so the next point i want to ask you is this

does this actually amount to social cohesion, after all its a two way street is it not ?

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as for the mosque in dudley, you have plenty of information within these forums, along with the article on the main site, plus HS response .... at the end of the day 22,000 people in dudley signed a petition against the mosque .... surely the local people have a right to prevent something that they dont want ....
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@Jrado.

Why should the none muslims of Dudley have their opinions discredited and flung? Surely it should be up to the people of Dudley to decide whether they want a huge mosque taking up land which is not actually needed. There is plenty of mosques in surrounding areas so I don't see the need to build another big one. Again, it should be up to the people of Dudley, and their opinions should not just be disregarded because it may offend. I personally would not appreciate to live near a huge mosque of singing and praying, islam is not my religion, so why should I be forced to listen to the content of it when its not essential? I'm sure many citizens of Dudley feel the same, and they should have their say in the matter.
The issue of building more mosques, is firstly, their is no need. Muslims in Dudley don't have to travel far to a mosque near them.
Secondly, why spend money on mosques when their not needed, there is plenty of other things that money could go to, such as fixing the communities etc.
Thirdly, no it may not create more extremism, but it gives extremists yet another platform. As a none muslim we are not allowed to enter a mosque while prayers are on.. why is this?

I think your issues are coming from what I would consider a leftist brain, what your saying is... Lets forget about the people who do not want the mosque, which from what I assume is quite a majority, and give it to the muslims. Why is this? Why should those who do not want it suffer, when only a minority do?
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Your reply immediately tickles me my friend . So the fact that the Muslims of Dudley have been given a super Mosque against the wishes of the local population is balanced by the fact that some of them will not now want to blow us up ? Surely you realise how ludicrous this sounds ? Surely ? Please ?
That was tongue in cheek.

But the points are

(1) Why don't people want a mosque? Is there any reason to believe this will cause problems for anyone?

(2) Does it matter what some people think? Surely the main people to consult are the neighbours? People who live on the other side of Dudley are unlikely to be affected in any way, therefore their opinions are rather less important than those of people nearer.

Public opinion is important but has to be balanced against the interests of individuals and groups. E.g. when the high speed rail is built, nobody will want it near them, but it'll go somewhere because it's in the interests of the wider community.

I'm not saying Muslims are at all more important than white people in Dudley. Not at all. But they are EQUAL. Things happen the muslims don't like, but they have to live with it - in return they get a mosque other people may not like. It's called compromise. A very British concept.

(3) Does this even rate as an issue in Dudley? Wouldn't you spend your time better protesting for more investment in infrastructure, new jobs etc etc?
First point, you say that you are not saying muslims are more important than White people in Dudley. Muslims can be White, and White people can be muslims.
I think a petition was raised by the neighbours as you call them. All 22,000 names that were on it last time I looked, said they didn`t want it.
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Someone has just said that they are in full time employment and busy during election periods on the stirrer forum. Immediately someone has asked them if they are implying they work for the BNP! Priceless! Are these people obsessed or what eh
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(1) No I did not see it as I do not have a TV, but I do recall reading about it.

(2) I can't say whether what was alleged is true, but even if it is, doesn't the Roman Catholic Church teach that homosexuality is a sin? Is that much different? Also I know many muslims and don't know any of them to be homophobic. Just because something is said in mosque doesn't mean people will go away believing it. After all does everyone who goes to Church agree with everything that's said there?

(3) Mosques & politics. Again in parts of Birmingham churches (particularly the black churches in north Birmingham) are a very influential political force. I believe the vice-chair of the West Midlands Police is Bishop Webley of one of the black churches. That's fine. He's representing his community. Mosques can do just the same.

(4) Not sure an Islamic state is exactly like "Nazi Germany" or "Stalin's Russia" given that those two were quite different in terms of structure, economics, ideology, politics etc etc. I expect an Islamic state is somewhat like Iran or Saudi Arabia, which I agree I would not want to live in. But I have yet to meet a Muslim who wants to live in those sorts of conditions. What a few hot heads say does not reflect all muslims.

(5) No more mosques. But is increasing numbers of mosques going to increase the number of extremists??

(6) No sharia law. Doesn't bother me at all, as this is only applicable in civil cases where both parties agree to it. It seems reasonable that people use a mutually accepted system to resolve disputes. They still have to go to the crown's courts for criminal matters or civil matters if the other party does not agree to a sharia court. In fact orthodox Jews have their own religious courts as well. Nobody worries about that.

(7) Halal meat - well isn't all meat "cruel" and again it's pretty similar to kosher meat that nobody cares about.

(8) I am certainly not a muslim, but I would like to think I know more about islam than the average person.
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Things happen the muslims don't like, but they have to live with it -
What are these things? :-/
Well, somewhere like Small Heath or Sparkhill in Birmingham that are practially completely muslim, they might not like there being licensed premises (that sell alcohol) in those areas, but there are and I strongly believe there should be if there is a market for it. It's compromise.
Lol, you think muslims don't drink alcohol?

Bless.

Secondly, them "putting up with" licensed premises is not a compromise.

Don't like it, don't come here.
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Who mentioned white people ? Forgive me if I have missed something ? The people of Dudley represent a large cross section of British society and its these people who have spoken and then systematically been ignored by the ruling elite .
I think it's fair to say Dudley is less diverse than Birmingham, but ok that's irrelevant. I retract "white" and replace that with "non-muslim"
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(8) I am certainly not a muslim, but I would like to think I know more about islam than the average person.
So you'll know about Wahhabi branch Islam then?
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Well, somewhere like Small Heath or Sparkhill in Birmingham that are practially completely muslim, they might not like there being licensed premises (that sell alcohol) in those areas, but there are and I strongly believe there should be if there is a market for it. It's compromise.
Lol, you think muslims don't drink alcohol?

Bless.

Secondly, them "putting up with" licensed premises is not a compromise.

Don't like it, don't come here.
Not quite. In Bournville in Birmingham the Council refused to give a license to Tescos (the only branch without a license in the UK). There are no licensed premises in that ward.

The reason? Bournville is traditionally a Quaker area and Quakers do not drink. So there is precedent for local communities opposing licenses, but i do not necessarily agree this is right.
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