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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 10:49 PM Post #1 |
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Don’t vote for us,’ says UKIP at Alice in Wonderland campaign launch Chris Smyth The UK Independence Party made an unusual appeal yesterday to some of its supporters: “Don’t vote for us”. There was a slightly Alice in Wonderland feel to the Eurosceptic party’s campaign launch as it entertains hopes of capturing its first Westminster seat. Lord Pearson of Rannoch, the party leader, began the day by urging some of his own candidates to tell their supporters to vote for someone else. He wants them to follow the example of Steve Parker, who is standing for UKIP in Stroud, and has produced a leaflet in which he declares: “I ask you to vote for David Drew [the Labour candidate] if possible. He is a committed Eurosceptic, who will continue to fight for our freedom in Parliament and I don’t want to stop him getting there.” Lord Pearson told The Times: “I hope I will be able to persuade a few of other candidates to do the same. Some of our men are putting the bayonets in the wrong enemy.” UKIP has said that it will not stand against eight candidates, mostly Conservatives, who are in favour of leaving the EU and yesterday he went one step further, urging voters in some constituencies where UKIP is standing to back someone else. He added: “I don’t think this has ever been done before.” He was speaking as the party launched its first full manifesto, which — as well as withdrawal from the EU — includes pledges to freeze immigration and ban the burka. The confusion continued as Lord Pearson denied that the ban would apply to private buildings before being gently corrected by his policy chief. In Buckingham, the party’s best hope of a seat, the contest is just as baffling. With the main parties standing aside, Nigel Farage, UKIP’s former leader, is challenging the Speaker, John Bercow. While Mr Bercow is the firm favourite, Ladbrokes is offering 10/3 on Mr Farage. “We see him as our only hope against John Bercow,” said Sue Moore, a 50-year-old IT sales manager. “It’s expenses; Bercow’s not a good ambassador for Buckingham. He flipped houses.” Ms Moore, who has previously voted Labour, says that only one thing might make her waver in her support for Mr Farage: “I’m very pro-Europe.” Mr Farage hopes to exploit such oddities. “There’s a lot of confusion about the election here,” he said. “I’m in this campaign to say to people, ‘You can send an earthquake through British politics by toppling the man who is the symbol of the last Parliament’.” Burning desire for change was not, however, the dominant emotion on the pleasant streets of Buckingham yesterday. Billy Treadwell, the manager of the George Inn in Winslow, said that he would probably vote for Mr Farage “if I’m not too busy”. Other voters scuttled away as UKIP leaflets were proffered. “Under no circumstances will I vote for him,” said Joy Bungard, a retired civil servant. “John Bercow’s been an absolutely brilliant MP.” Yet Mr Farage insists he is “in with a chance” of overturning an 18,000 majority, and his name recognition seems to be high, as he makes steady progress on his pledge to visit every pub in the constituency. At Rosie’s Bar, Bob Cross, the owner, thinks that Mr Farage is talking sense, but is still undecided. His summary, at last, is simple: “In the end, I’ll probably vote for whoever will help me the most.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7096640.ece Edited by Knuckles, Apr 15 2010, 04:28 AM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 10:56 PM Post #2 |
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Link please Rubes :-) I like Farage's campaign style. I think will adopt it if I ever stand for election. "as he makes steady progress on his pledge to visit every pub in the constituency." |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 11:02 PM Post #3 |
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Sorry, there you go. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7096640.ece I'd have a drink with him, he seems a decent bloke. He needs to stay off the comedy shows though, have I got news for you was very dodgy. |
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| ENUFisENUF | Apr 14 2010, 11:09 PM Post #4 |
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UKIP's a little too wishy washy on some platforms for me. I thought it was solid but then it started pissing about with immigration. I'd never vote BNP usually and BNP won't get in I guarantee it, but, I'm voting them in the hope that others like me will as well in an attempt to show the other parties that there are lots of us sick to the back teeth with what's happening in this country. A big turnout for BNP might jolt the other parties into thinking ''if decent citisens are voting far right then they must be desperate for change'' |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 11:10 PM Post #5 |
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Didn't see it. Will look and see if its on iplayer |
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| Karif-Chris | Apr 14 2010, 11:16 PM Post #6 |
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As the s**t gets deeper the BNP will get bigger, that's a fact unless someone get a back bone in government and sorts the s**t out. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 11:20 PM Post #7 |
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If i lived in england i would be stuck between voting the cons in as cameron says he wants to stop the flood of immigrants and i dont hear labour making any such comments also i want Labours i.e. traitors out or voting the BNP as a protest vote even though i dont agree with alot of their policies. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 11:21 PM Post #8 |
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Just that the 2 main blokes on there, Hislop and the other one took the piss out of him as they do everyone and it's not good to see a serious polititian looking a proper grinning idiot, not till they are elected anyway.:) Hi enuf, where have you been hiding! lol I agree totally about BNP, I have been saying the same thing but you put it far better. I want whoever wins, tory or labour to see the BNP every time they look up from the dipatch box and think twice about what they are doing to this country, I want a pit bull staring from the opposition benches not a poodle ! The three main parties have got 80% + of the vote so there is not a snowball's chance in hell of any other party getting elected. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 11:25 PM Post #9 |
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Can we sort this out once and for all. Are BNP far right or far left or is left/right just a load of old bollocks anyway. |
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| mostonian | Apr 14 2010, 11:27 PM Post #10 |
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UKIP are a safety valve party with no ideology ,they're a waste of time!. As for wanting the other parties to do something about your fears. I wouldn't hold my breath, they couldn't give a toss about the British public's fears about the growth of Islam. Why do you think the media and the LibLabCon trick are so determined to silence the BNP at every opportunity with all these wild unfounded allegations. That never come to anything. It's because they are terrified that if the truth comes out over their treachery and greed whilst selling this country and it's assets to the highest bidder. They know their fate would be a trip to the gallows. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 11:31 PM Post #11 |
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No they are not a waste of time!!!! Whether they win or not isn't the issue. They contribute a huge amount simply by being there and being heard on issues that only the BNP dare talk with any balls about otherwise. They make it more "politically correct" (acceptable) for the rest of us to discuss EU & immigration without being dismissed as racists/fascists/communists/ or whatever the BNP are known as this week by the lefty nobs. UKIP is not there to win the election. It is there to be heard. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 04:26 AM Post #12 |
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That twat Cameron will say anything to get elected. I wouldn't trust that stuffed shirt any further than I could throw him! LIbLabCon are all f**king traitors! Get them up against the wall and shoot the f**king lot of them. Who would you have run the country out of who is left? BNP? God help all of us!
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| mostonian | Apr 15 2010, 09:39 AM Post #13 |
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Any political party that tells it's members to vote for another party in my opinion is a waste of time. How can you trust a party that doesn't know what it stands for. Most people who vote UKIP would vote BNP but have been put off by the media slurs about the BNP. And are scared of being branded racist by the loony left types. |
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| charlie | Apr 15 2010, 10:17 AM Post #14 |
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No most people wont vote B.N.P because they can see them for what they are wolves in sheeps clothing there no real party be surprised to see them get not much more then the Greens in the % vote. |
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| mostonian | Apr 15 2010, 11:57 PM Post #15 |
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I didn't say most people. I said most UKIP voters. Don't misquote me. Give us a little proof why they're 'wolves in sheep's clothing' rather than hollow rhetoric. You sound to me just like the UAF? making derogatory comments about the BNP, with jack s**t to back your assertions up. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 16 2010, 12:29 AM Post #16 |
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Charlie is more left then Martin Smith, I wouldn't bother. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 16 2010, 12:35 AM Post #17 |
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I would say that UKIP knows what it stands for better than most of the parties. In particular the Lib/Lab/Con orrible lot. The clue is in the name
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| Deleted User | Apr 16 2010, 01:48 AM Post #18 |
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It's funny how some people, when their own ideologies are challenged, are quick to roll out the UAF name calling, etc. Sounds like the lefties calling anyone who isn't a lefty a fascist. I couldn't give a fuck where people are politically in general (commies and nazis the exception), as long as they stand together for the EDL. Oh yeah, fuck the BNP
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| Deleted User | Apr 16 2010, 01:51 AM Post #19 |
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who were you refering to Knuckles? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 16 2010, 02:05 AM Post #20 |
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My post refers to mostonians post, but have kept it general both for the 'UAF',etc. & 'fascist',etc. name callers in being critical of EDL supporters. |
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| spalding50 | Apr 16 2010, 09:01 PM Post #21 |
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We have a bizarre situation where the UKIP leader is urging voters to elect members of the pro-EU parties instead of his own UKIP, anti-EU candidates. This tells me that UKIP is a fraud. Just another part of the gravy train. |
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| globos | Apr 16 2010, 09:04 PM Post #22 |
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Anyone care to discuss the economic strategy for the country outside of the European union? I'm seriously interested |
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| Deleted User | Apr 16 2010, 09:06 PM Post #23 |
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But UKIP has staunchly expressed it's anti-EU stance from the outset. Even saying that if the UK pulls out of the EU, they will disband. I don't see them supporting anti-EU candidates as fraudulent behaviour. It's fairly coherent. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 16 2010, 09:18 PM Post #24 |
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im lucky??? i live in a safe conservative seat a 10,000+ majority and a swing of over 22% required to unseat him. so im safe to use my protest vote without fear of it resulting in a labour victory. ukip for me. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 16 2010, 09:18 PM Post #25 |
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Not now Globos... Drinking! |
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| globos | Apr 16 2010, 09:21 PM Post #26 |
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I feel we have a basic failure to grasp basic economics here, hence the reason people want to leave the EU |
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| Deleted User | Apr 16 2010, 09:27 PM Post #27 |
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globos: outline the 'basic economics' for us. Many here would consider that their national and cultural loss of identity would be more devastating than the presumed positive economic effects that the population generally feel only enhances the rich, anyway. |
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| spalding50 | Apr 16 2010, 09:54 PM Post #28 |
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Any true Eurosceptic could never be a member of either the Tories or Labour. Both those parties are firmly committed to remaining in the EU, and have been for decades. Lord Pearson, UKIP leader, wants us to strengthen the pro-EU parties by giving them our votes. We would be voting for further political and economic union with the EU. The Labour party election manifesto 2010 commits all its candidates to: "Lead the agenda for an outward-facing European Union that delivers jobs, prosperity and global influence." David Drew, the Labour MP that Lord Pearson urges us to vote for instead of a UKIP candidate, is a quasi-marxist supporter of the UAF. He regularly attends their activities and speaks up for them at Westminster. David Heathcoat-Amory , one of the Tory MP's supported by UKIP, was a member of Parliament at the time of the Maastricht Treaty bill. He voted in support of it. If he is part of a Cameron cabinet he will vote to let Turkey into the EU. He cares nothing for UKIP. So why back him? |
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| globos | Apr 16 2010, 10:04 PM Post #29 |
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Yes and what global influence will we have in 50 years outside the EU. We'd have lost our UN seat,would be an economic basket case and would be barely able to feed it's population...our economy is solely build on international services which can be done cheaper and faster elsewhere.We need to adapt fast. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jan/26/uk-economy-debt-bob-gross http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246389/Bill-Gross-UK-recession-The-British-economy-sits-bed-nitroglycerine-investors-warned.html The man speaks the truth.... |
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| ignominius | Apr 16 2010, 10:13 PM Post #30 |
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We would not lose our seat...we're a permenent member of the security council. Outside of Europe we will prosper because we can get back to tarrif-free trading. I.e. free-trade. Before we entered the Common Market we had a postiive trade balance with the continent. I don't see that would change because we are outside of it. After all, they still want us to buy their goods. They will still continue to refuse to trade with us just as the French and Germans do now so nothing on that front will change. As for a voice...The EU is largely ignored, we are not and so long as we stand for the right things - freedom, democracy , security then there would be no problem with influcence in the world. But even if we dropped off the international radar...so what. So long as our country is prosperous, safe and ours who cares what the rest of the world wants to do to it'self. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 16 2010, 10:17 PM Post #31 |
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What do you mean by international services? And which countries do them quicker and faster? The problem with this country is that we have too many people. we simply don't have enough to offer to support the number of people we have. Now that manufacturing has all but disappeared we only have the financial sector to keep us going. This is why immigration is a problem IMO. If our population shrunk we would be more competitive. Not a fan of 'send them back' but certainly shouldn't be letting in anyone else and we SHOULD be deporting anyone who is here illegally. As for economic strategy outside the EU? Norawy and Switzerland seem to be doing ok. This is a bit waffly but had a few so not thinking that clearly atm. I'm sure you can make out what im trying to say though.
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| guypatriot | Apr 16 2010, 11:08 PM Post #32 |
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Hi Mostonian TBF the BNP advised its voters in certain parts of London to vote for Boris in order to get rid of Red Ken. On the UKIP front then I would imagine that the thinking here will be only in constituencies where they have no chance of winning and would be competing with a Euro sceptic who has close competition. As such the strategy would be on the lines that if they stand against a Euro sceptic they may dilute the vote allowing a pro Euro candidate to then win. That would make sense to me. Regards |
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| guypatriot | Apr 16 2010, 11:18 PM Post #33 |
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Hi Filler Ditto. As Alan B'Stard said on The New Statesman I live in a constituency where the people would vote in a hatstand if it had a blue rosette pinned to it. Like you I vote UKIP. Regards |
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| guypatriot | Apr 16 2010, 11:30 PM Post #34 |
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Hi Globos UKIP don't want total separation from the EU. What they want is to return the UKs relationship to being that of being part of a union of free trade which it was originally set out to be rather than political integration which looks to be heading towards a federal Europe. So what we would have is the Euro free trade zone without having laws made from the central bureaucracy. This would also mean that we wouldn't have let in 500,000 Poles etc. however would have had the benefit of improved trading terms with new member states. Sounds sensible to me. Regards |
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| spalding50 | Apr 17 2010, 07:03 AM Post #35 |
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The BNP in the London Mayoral elections did not advise its supporters to vote for Boris Johnson INSTEAD of their own candidate, but to give him a second preference vote. Their first preference vote went to the BNP. What UKIP is doing is very different. It is demanding that some of its candidates 'stand aside' so that members of the pro-EU parties can be elected. It is asking for UKIP supporters to vote for Labour or the Tories INSTEAD of UKIP. It also wants UKIP activists to campaign on behalf of the pro-EU parties. We also have the anti-EU UKIP spending money on producing election literature urging voters to elect pro-EU parties. |
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