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How would you help Muslims intergrate?
Topic Started: Apr 14 2010, 06:43 PM (2,285 Views)
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Why should we go out of our way to help them integrate? the average Briton is very willing to work/live alongside anyone regardless of religion. So why should we go out of our way? this isn't our problem, its theres.
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Apr 16 2010, 06:29 PM
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I'm agreeing we need them to integrate more because we don't want to create another northern Ireland here
Don't you understand...

THEY DONT WANT TOO
Neither did the Ulster men but it seems to be getting better there. I don't buy into the send them home thing if they are born here.
You cant help people who don't want to help themselves.
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Apr 16 2010, 06:33 PM
You cant help people who don't want to help themselves.
You got it.
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spot on ash
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Apr 16 2010, 06:27 PM
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As far as I can work out, it looks like in all three of the countries charted there, it's the intolerance of the muslims that is dragging down the general levels of tolerance. So don't try and make out that islamic homophobia in the UK is not an extremely serious problem.


Just my 2 cents so we can get the facts right.
Muslims only make up 2.8% of the UK population. According to your graph 0% of Muslims think Homosexual acts are morally acceptable.
This would mean that only 58% of the UK population think Homosexual acts are morally acceptable, well 58% of the people surveyed anyway.
i think, we need to be clear .... the 42% that dont think its moral who are not moslim arent asking for gays to be killed ....

now .... as for those that are moslim that do not accept homosexuality ... i suppose they would like to see gays treated as they are in iran .. hanged till they are dead ....

This is the crux of the matter .....the majority of those moslims will happily see someone killed for being gay .... as for the non moslims who think homosexuality isn't moral ... i doubt that the majority of these would want to see a gay man or woman killed for their sexuality ...



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Islmaism is THE problem and its root cause is ISLAM itself.

Until Islamic theology (the root cause of intolerance and hatred) is openly debated and managed properly then integration will never happen. No ideology is free from debate and any self respecting secular democracy should encourage it. For too long now its been about non Muslims accepting the Muslim religion, the Muslim culture and Islamic "morality" when the onus should be on MUSLIMS to integrate. Why should we facilitate those who hate us, our customs, our culture, our rule of law?

We shouldn't!

For too long we have tolerated intolerance, now its time to say NO!

Fit in or fuck off! And I don't care if a Muslim was borne here either, if they want a theocractic barbaric 7th century shithole to live in then we as a nation should provide that by DEPORTING them.
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Gay people are not an issue at all


I don't have a problem with gay people at all. I was simply pointing out a error posted by HS claiming that Muslims are dragging down the levels in all three country's. If you look at the stats posted you can clearly see that's not the case for the UK at all.
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Christians are just as mad...religion is for loons who are slightly retarded
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Apr 16 2010, 06:43 PM
Christians are just as mad...religion is for loons who are slightly retarded
I seen all your 6 posts now, you have give it away already.
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Apr 16 2010, 06:43 PM
Christians are just as mad...religion is for loons who are slightly retarded
Your calling me slightly retarded?
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Apr 16 2010, 06:29 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 06:27 PM
Muslims only make up 2.8% of the UK population.
Wered you see that? :blink:
How can you know that figure is genuine when our own government has lost the plot regarding immigration figures.
Our annual legal immigration influx since the reds have been in power has been aprox 275,000 most of them have been muslim asylum seekers and illegal figures have been considerably higher, so there goes your 2.8% theory.
Besides you only have to take a look at most of our towns and cities theyre absolutely crawling with them
"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!"

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Apr 16 2010, 06:44 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 06:43 PM
Christians are just as mad...religion is for loons who are slightly retarded
I seen all your 6 posts now, you have give it away already.
Give what away? I'm British, disillusioned with Islam and it's beliefs but am what you would can a non racist militant evolutionist .

Is that ok?
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Apr 16 2010, 06:47 PM
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Christians are just as mad...religion is for loons who are slightly retarded
I seen all your 6 posts now, you have give it away already.
Give what away? I'm British, disillusioned with Islam and it's beliefs but am what you would can a non racist militant evolutionist .

Is that ok?
Lets see how long you stay here then.

Your posts are obviously baiting for a reaction.
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Globos, from what ive seen of your very short life span here is you get defensive about someone elses opinion, yes we know gay people are not an issue, no one is watching to see who the good guy is, there are no brownie points.
But to say all religions are slightly retarded is bang out of order, and in essence.. racist. You should think of wording things better and stop being so defensive on others opinions.
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Apr 16 2010, 06:49 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 06:44 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Give what away? I'm British, disillusioned with Islam and it's beliefs but am what you would can a non racist militant evolutionist .

Is that ok?
Lets see how long you stay here then.

Your posts are obviously baiting for a reaction.
How? What have i said wrong.....reactions like this will only create a cloud over the intentions of this place. I'm free to speak my mind and i'm strongly of the Believe that religion is a poison and is primitive. it as no place in a modern progressive society.

See Richard Dawkins to reference if you fail to "get me"
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Firstly Religion is not race....it served a purpose for it's time but mankind has learned enough to totally dismiss all this "fairies in the garden" stuff.
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Apr 16 2010, 06:55 PM
Firstly Religion is not race....it served a purpose for it's time but mankind has learned enough to totally dismiss all this "fairies in the garden" stuff.
Definitions of racist on the Web:

* based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
* a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
* discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define%3Aracist&btnG=Search&meta=
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Apr 16 2010, 06:55 PM
Firstly Religion is not race
Can't argue with that.
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The covering of the head,the halal and lots of other stuff form all religions is a personal thing and has no right in the way of other peoples live here if we want to call ourselves an educated people
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Apr 16 2010, 06:57 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 06:55 PM
Firstly Religion is not race
Can't argue with that.
Maybe not, but in the eyes of law race & religion tie together.
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Apr 16 2010, 06:57 PM
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Firstly Religion is not race....it served a purpose for it's time but mankind has learned enough to totally dismiss all this "fairies in the garden" stuff.
Definitions of racist on the Web:

* based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
* a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
* discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define%3Aracist&btnG=Search&meta=
Wrong..if i said i believed in blue three tited ferrets who drive spaceships here to buy penny sweets from Kwick Save and was one of a few believers in this country and have seen them would you be racist to call me nuts?
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Apr 16 2010, 06:58 PM
The covering of the head,the halal and lots of other stuff form all religions is a personal thing and has no right in the way of other peoples live here if we want to call ourselves an educated people
I agree with you on that.
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Too claim that all religions are slightly retarded is wrong, maybe I worded it wrong with racist but it is still wrong.
But in the eyes of the law it would be classed as racist regardless, would it not?
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Apr 16 2010, 06:37 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 06:27 PM
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As far as I can work out, it looks like in all three of the countries charted there, it's the intolerance of the muslims that is dragging down the general levels of tolerance. So don't try and make out that islamic homophobia in the UK is not an extremely serious problem.


Just my 2 cents so we can get the facts right.
Muslims only make up 2.8% of the UK population. According to your graph 0% of Muslims think Homosexual acts are morally acceptable.
This would mean that only 58% of the UK population think Homosexual acts are morally acceptable, well 58% of the people surveyed anyway.
i think, we need to be clear .... the 42% that dont think its moral who are not moslim arent asking for gays to be killed ....

now .... as for those that are moslim that do not accept homosexuality ... i suppose they would like to see gays treated as they are in iran .. hanged till they are dead ....

This is the crux of the matter .....the majority of those moslims will happily see someone killed for being gay .... as for the non moslims who think homosexuality isn't moral ... i doubt that the majority of these would want to see a gay man or woman killed for their sexuality ...



I agree 100%. The problem is the Muslims view this country as future Muslim land. Why should they both to integrate when the loopy left bows to their every whim? Muslims do not intend to integrate, simply because Islam is not compatible with democracy. Look at all the s**t they are causing in Tower Hamlets now they have sufficient numbers, I fear for this country's future, I really do. ^o)
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Apr 16 2010, 07:03 PM
Too claim that all religions are slightly retarded is wrong, maybe I worded it wrong with racist but it is still wrong.
But in the eyes of the law it would be classed as racist regardless, would it not?
That is where we are wrong...i've looked into all the major religions and they are out there...no rational human being can't fall for such nonsense in 2010
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Apr 15 2010, 04:43 PM
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Apr 15 2010, 03:57 PM
"Encourage muslims to leave islam."

The most sensible statement of this whole thread!

This should also be backed up with a proper safe haven for all apostates.

Good to see your back posting again HS ;)
If a million French can be made to leave Algeria I'm sure in this day and age 3 million mulsims wouldn't take too long to deport.

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"they are out there" ?
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Apr 16 2010, 06:29 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 06:26 PM
I'm agreeing we need them to integrate more because we don't want to create another northern Ireland here
Don't you understand...

THEY DONT WANT TOO
Neither did the Ulster men but it seems to be getting better there. I don't buy into the send them home thing if they are born here.
What?
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Apr 16 2010, 07:06 PM
"they are out there" ?
I had Mormons round the house before and the two lads believed point blank that the world is 6000 years old, in Noah's ark,Adam and Eve, and all sorts of nonsense...they even said Dinosaur bones was put there to test our faith.

Help me please :D
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Apr 16 2010, 07:09 PM
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"they are out there" ?
I had Mormons round the house before and the two lads believed point blank that the world is 6000 years old, in Noah's ark,Adam and Eve, and all sorts of nonsense...they even said Dinosaur bones was put there to test our faith.

Help me please :D
Its upto anyone to decide what they believe, if they believe it then thats fine, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else/ force their beliefs on anyone else. If they keep to their beliefs quietly and not in our faces, then who are we to judge?
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They are knocking doors....
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Close the door then, simple as.
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Would you accept Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist door knockers..i'm sure the forums would go into melt down.

It's all the same to me...enough.
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If i didn't want to speak to someone or didn't share the same beliefs I'd just close the door and get on with it. I dont believe in what they do, that doesn't mean their retarded. :-/
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Apr 16 2010, 07:11 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 07:09 PM
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"they are out there" ?
I had Mormons round the house before and the two lads believed point blank that the world is 6000 years old, in Noah's ark,Adam and Eve, and all sorts of nonsense...they even said Dinosaur bones was put there to test our faith.

Help me please :D
Its upto anyone to decide what they believe, if they believe it then thats fine, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else/ force their beliefs on anyone else. If they keep to their beliefs quietly and not in our faces, then who are we to judge?
Exactly!

They can believe in what they like, but don`t try and force me to believe. And if they knock my door - the dogs can answer it. ;)
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Apr 16 2010, 06:04 PM
O yea. Did you answer why i was a racist?
sorry, could you quote the post where I made the assumption YOU were a racist please.
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Apr 16 2010, 06:27 PM
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As far as I can work out, it looks like in all three of the countries charted there, it's the intolerance of the muslims that is dragging down the general levels of tolerance. So don't try and make out that islamic homophobia in the UK is not an extremely serious problem.


Just my 2 cents so we can get the facts right.
Muslims only make up 2.8% of the UK population. According to your graph 0% of Muslims think Homosexual acts are morally acceptable.
This would mean that only 58% of the total UK population think Homosexual acts are morally acceptable, well 58% of the people surveyed anyway.
I have argued on this forum many times that "the facts" suggest that the muslim population of the UK is far more than 2.8%. I can't be bothered to dig out the URLs (search for "muslim population halal prison", that should find the URLs).

In 2009 muslims were 12% of the prison population. In 2005 11% of all meat in the UK was halal.

I have it on good authority (an interim census) that the muslim population of York went up from 2.4% in 2001, to 10% by 2009. (This is an unpublished report, so I can't give a URL for it).

I was not saying that the chart shows that 90% of the non-muslim population of the UK was tolerant of homosexuality. I said that my understanding of this report was that the muslims were included in with the general public. As such, they pull down the figure for general levels of tolerance. It is just a matter of degree. For you, they are pulling that down by less than 3 percentage points . On the evidence I cite, I say they are pulling it down by 10 percentage points.

I don't expect everyone to read all the verbiage I spew on here. But personally I don't believe that muslims are really so much more criminal than the rest of the population, that they would be 3x over-represented in the prison statistics. I find it far more plausible to believe they are actually here in greater numbers.

I was not trying to mislead anyone.
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Didn't think you were trying to mislead any one, just pointing out that according to official figures Muslims in the UK could only effect the figures by 2.8%.
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Apr 16 2010, 08:09 PM
But personally I don't believe that muslims are really so much more criminal than the rest of the population, that they would be 3x over-represented in the prison statistics. I find it far more plausible to believe they are actually here in greater numbers.
Crap criminals, drug dealers and insurance fraudsters.

What would you estimate the pop at? 5% - 6%?
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Funny thing is that I probably agree with globos, but I'm not a condescending cunt.
I prefer decent people with different views than arseholes with similar views.
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Apr 16 2010, 05:27 PM
HS - So because a group of people do not support Homosexuals you would deport them ? Your treading on very dangerous ground there my friend because you know who you should just like ? Militant Imans who condone killing infidels due to non-practice . Its all part of the same toilet of hate which needs flushing . I know loads of Muslims who hate no one in fact I was just in a house today with two girls from Kurdistan who are massively indebted to this country and would leave for all the money in the world .

You will find millions of Catholics who hate homosexuals as you will find millions of Christians who hate homosexuals or how about Jamaican youth culture where homosexuals also get short shrift so shall we deport them aswell ?

Mate youve got to get used to the idea the an awful lot of people from across the board find homosexuality sinful for whatever reason . Best let the silly buggers drive themselves daft with hate because thats all they will achieve in the Country
Hey comrade Henchman. When was the last time you saw this in Jamaica? or any catholic or Christian country?

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This is ISLAMIC justice. Over 90% of brainwashed Muslims, including your two girls from Kurdistan, tacitly support the introduction of this into our lands. You should hang your head in shame for trying that one.
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some good posts-
back to the title of the thread
How would you help Muslims intergrate?

im with anxiety86 ,
they dont want to,simple as that.

end of.

theyre at war with us.
demographic war,
anyone doesnt believe that hs their head stuck up heir ass.
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Apr 16 2010, 07:52 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 06:04 PM
O yea. Did you answer why i was a racist?
sorry, could you quote the post where I made the assumption YOU were a racist please.
wrong person
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Homosexuals are just that Homosexuals and that's it..if people want to bring god and sin into it then they are nuts and disagree with scientific fact on their sexuality. But then again they don't agree with science because they are religious and therefore dismiss most of the findings
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Apr 16 2010, 08:35 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 05:27 PM
HS - So because a group of people do not support Homosexuals you would deport them ? Your treading on very dangerous ground there my friend because you know who you should just like ? Militant Imans who condone killing infidels due to non-practice . Its all part of the same toilet of hate which needs flushing . I know loads of Muslims who hate no one in fact I was just in a house today with two girls from Kurdistan who are massively indebted to this country and would leave for all the money in the world .

You will find millions of Catholics who hate homosexuals as you will find millions of Christians who hate homosexuals or how about Jamaican youth culture where homosexuals also get short shrift so shall we deport them aswell ?

Mate youve got to get used to the idea the an awful lot of people from across the board find homosexuality sinful for whatever reason . Best let the silly buggers drive themselves daft with hate because thats all they will achieve in the Country
Hey comrade Henchman. When was the last time you saw this in Jamaica? or any catholic or Christian country?

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This is ISLAMIC justice. Over 90% of brainwashed Muslims, including your two girls from Kurdistan, tacitly support the introduction of this into our lands. You should hang your head in shame for trying that one.
whats he done?
stole a loaf of bread or refused to marry an 8 year old?
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I think some muslim lads certainly want to integrate with everyone else. The lads I went to school with did. But I don't know (and should've asked about) the cultural and community pressures of not integrating. I'm sure there is a ton of peer and other sorts of pressure.

If I was them, I would just dump it and be with people who actually care about them, not with people who want them to conform to a stringent doctrine.
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Apr 16 2010, 08:50 PM
whats he done?
stole a loaf of bread or refused to marry an 8 year old?
They were hung for being gay. I was responding to comrade Henchmans post.
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Apr 16 2010, 08:58 PM
I think some muslim lads certainly want to integrate with everyone else. The lads I went to school with did. But I don't know (and should've asked about) the cultural and community pressures of not integrating. I'm sure there is a ton of peer and other sorts of pressure.

If I was them, I would just dump it and be with people who actually care about them, not with people who want them to conform to a stringent doctrine.
I agree. Dump it because Qur'an says they are going to the hell fire anyway. They may as well embrace humanity and enjoy the life they have here with the rest of us ;)
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Apr 16 2010, 09:03 PM
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whats he done?
stole a loaf of bread or refused to marry an 8 year old?
They were hung for being gay. I was responding to comrade Henchmans post.
Peter you made your point with those images.

Unfortunately, some of the proleteriet still wont understand!
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Just cuz Henchman has a different view to you doesn't mean he's a commie, which I assume the 'comrade' title is aiming at?

That's fucking immature at best.
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