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How would you help Muslims intergrate?
Topic Started: Apr 14 2010, 06:43 PM (2,286 Views)
nemisis123456
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Apr 15 2010, 09:10 PM
Not at all, Just not seen the education yet. I Understand the EDL are about militan muslim, yet repeatedly all I see is islamaphobia. Clutching at straws to prove how bad they are, even if it bears little or nothing to do with the UK..

But please continue, still here Sir
There is no such thing as Islamaphobia, thats a crock of shite. A term coined after the "race card" argument finally held no water. Islam is an ideology not a race after all.

The EDL do not fear Islam, our struggle is against an ideology, an ideology that was best practised by the "RASHIDUN" Muhammads closest followers.

Ok to kill homos, ok to kill infidels, ok to subjugate indigenous populations, ok to impose dhimmitude on indigenous populations and extort high taxes from the Ahl al-Kitāb to sustain a greed for empire and a thirst for offensive jihad (that would be ghazu raids for those who dont believe in offensive jihad).

Ok to molest and marry children, ok to beat wives for "disobedience", ok to wage war and split the world into the dar al harb and the dar al Islam, ok to capture "war booty", that would include the moral acceptance of raping and pillaging villages, cutting the heads off men and young boys in front of their mothers, grandmothers, aunts, sisters and then brave "mujahadeen" taking them as the quran states "all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess"

Ok to punish anyone who dare question or confront Islam, those who threaten Islam or defame Muhammad are to be mutilated, killed or expelled from their indigenous homeland. Ok to throw bricks at a woman's head, ok to follow the "Will Of Allah" and become a martyr to gain a first class ticket to Allahs bordello paradise where the man will have giant virgin houries to pleasure for eternity, the same with the "pearly eyed boys" and rivers of wine to get pissed on (oh the irony of Allahs drunken orgy house).

Need i go on?

Islamic Imperialism was born out of violent 7th century Arabian tribalism, thIS is the moral code for Muslims to follow TODAY. It is still empowered and enshrined in "Allahs Immutable Word" relevant for all times and all places for EVERYONE only Muslims get the better deal obviously.

Who dare question the FINAL revelation of god himself eh?

Im first in line.......

Simples, any Muslim who thinks such things are justified or that such actions require emulation to gain "piety" and good favour from a pagan rock god (or Muhammads alter ego) are a HUGE problem indeed.

Something not to be underestimated, something not to shy away from out of fear for being labelled "racist" or "Islamaphobic". Its a reality one we ignore at our own peril.

Thank fuck there are Muslims out there not like that but a MAJORITY in my opinion subscribe to far too many dangerous, intolerant, and subversive theological ideals shaped by 7th century Imperialsim.


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nemesis.

Those just aren't enough reasons for me.

Haven't you got something really bad to say about Islam? ;-)

On a serious note, how can anyone support it based on the overwhelming evidence that tells us that it is evil. If I believed in the Devil I would say Islam is the work of the devil.

It is a sick and twisted infectious mential illness spreading across the globe. As someone cleverer than me said once.
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The list is almost non exhaustive. The bad far outweigh the good, the good parts are chronologically abrogated anyway.

Its a theological mind fuck from birth for both the weak and the violent.
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Apr 16 2010, 01:28 AM
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The list is almost non exhaustive. The bad far outweigh the good, the good parts are chronologically abrogated anyway.

Its a theological mind f**k from birth for both the weak and the violent.
Yeah I know.

I was being sarcy.

Its just amazing. When you start looking into Islam and learning a bit about it you just can't understand how anyone could want to be a muslim or want to support the growth of Islam in the UK or the world as a whole.

How do we get the MSM on to this with a more honest "warts n all" approach?
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The list is almost non exhaustive. The bad far outweigh the good, the good parts are chronologically abrogated anyway.

Its a theological mind f**k from birth for both the weak and the violent.
Yeah I know.

I was being sarcy.

Its just amazing. When you start looking into Islam and learning a bit about it you just can't understand how anyone could want to be a muslim or want to support the growth of Islam in the UK or the world as a whole.

How do we get the MSM on to this with a more honest "warts n all" approach?
I thought so ;)

The answer lies in honest education, not deception and appeasement.

People will wake up eventually, your point with the generally PC MSM highlights the challenges ahead.

It takes bravery to challenge a supremacist ideology protected by law and politics.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

Its about loathing not fear. I believe in article 9, as do the government, While the EDL or its membership call for action in opposition of article 9, we will be marginalised and side lined.

action must be taken to constitutionally protect England from Islam.
action must be taken to ban hate preachers (freedom of speech exemptions)
action must be taken to widen the 'racist' banner to apply to all peoples acting in such a manner

whole rake of others, but its off to work...
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Apr 15 2010, 11:32 PM
My earlier term Bigot was in reference to those who refuse to accept that there are 'moderate' muslims, seeking to destroy them en mass.
I want you to canvas the 95% of your customers who you claim as moderate muslims.

Ask them "what should be done to gay people"?
Ask them "why does HuT have as many members as the BNP, when muslims are only 3% of the population, and Hut is far more extremist than the BNP?"
Ask them "was Mohammed a paedophile?"
Ask them "should a muslim model his life on mohammed?"

You completely ignored the objective evidence concerning the huge rise in radicalism among young British muslims. You admit you have never been on an EDL demo.

I ask you again: what are you doing on this forum? Is your sole reason for being here to put the case for "moderate muslims"?
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Apr 16 2010, 07:56 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

Its about loathing not fear. I believe in article 9, as do the government, While the EDL or its membership call for action in opposition of article 9, we will be marginalised and side lined.

action must be taken to constitutionally protect England from Islam.
action must be taken to ban hate preachers (freedom of speech exemptions)
action must be taken to widen the 'racist' banner to apply to all peoples acting in such a manner

whole rake of others, but its off to work...
PHOBIA is a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.


A phobia is a FEAR of something let's not contort definitions to suit a specific argument here. Wikipedia after all isn't 100% reliable I mean just look at how the EDL is defined for starters!

Definitions aside the EDL doesnt FEAR Islam the evidence points to quite the opposite in fact.
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Apr 15 2010, 07:05 PM
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Apr 15 2010, 05:24 PM
I stand fully behind my statement and then some as I have met some complete balloons at demonstrations especially at Dudley . So once again for all you far right tickturds and Nazis that ARE reading this and whipping yourselves up into a " Send em back " frenzy , kindly take your racist views and shove them where the sun doesnt shine . This is a movement against MILITANT ISLAM and its teachings NOT against Islam full stop .
The Labour government (who I voted for in the last election) have got us into this s**t. And even they, in Contest2 in Feb 2009, wanted to make islamic homophobia the equivalent of islamic extremism. Muslims said "that would make us all extremists". The Gallup survey quoted by me above showed that it does indeed make them all extremists.

Many of us are not saying "send them back". We're saying they need to be taught the truth about their religion, and encouraged to leave it.

And I don't know where you have been on these demos, but you're another one I have my doubts about. You have an avatar picture of some tough-looking white man, and a nickname that connotes criminal violence, yet you were more disturbed by the Dudley demo than any of the nancy boys in the gay group.

After being on the last 3 demos I haven't seen this group of nazi nutters you claim to have seen. I've spent the equivalent of about 24 hours in the company of several hundred EDL supporters at three different demos. And I don't recognize the people you're talking about. The people I've met have mostly been working-class and rough. They've always been very friendly and polite. So are you referring to some small minority? What behaviour at what demos?

And before anyone thinks I've got some middle-class romantic view of the working-class. I spent years in remedial education at a secondary school, with really hard head cases. Several of my brothers have been to prison, one of them is illiterate, the other was a drug addict and alcoholic. I've lived my whole life in working class areas. I'm gay but I'm not soft. Maybe "henchman" is of a more delicate disposition.

When a group of people who are as anti-gay as UK muslims end up with political power, you can be damned sure they will be sending gay people to prison or to the gallows. Just like the Nazis did. Only this group think they've got God on their side.

There hasn't been a survey yet that asks these anti-gay muslims what they think should be done about gay men. But if 36% believe apostates should be killed, I'm pretty sure that many or more believe that homosexuals should be killed. Maybe that question was asked, but whoever commissioned the survey decided they'd better not let that information out.

I don't know what you think your fighting for in EDL, but I'm fighting for my life. So forgive me if I don't mince my words, or don't get upset at the idea of someone saying "send them back". At least 36% of us aren't calling for them to be executed.
Do you know what ? I am growing tired your tedious droning about who you have and who you havent got doubts about , mate I couldnt give two f**ks . I know exactly who you are so at the next demo I can make ill do you the favour of introducing myself so to let you know that I am indeed a real human being and further more I am right behind thel just and proper reason this organisation exists in the first place . Your entitled to believe what you like but it strikes me that your carrying around a rather large chip on your shoulder due to Islams view on queer folk . I have news for you in that respect and it is that millions and millions and millions of people do not agree with homosexual acts and all that goes with , sorry if this upsets you but your going to have to deal with it ........remember free speech ? I myself simply find it amusing but you crack on with whatever makes you happy .
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Whos in doubt here?
Ok let me rephrase...

When you don't like what people think or their opinions call them racist. It's UAF tactics.

I was on about Henchman, he don't like what has been said, so he says we have racist views, obviouslywants to call us nazis.

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I like you as you crack me up with what you write on here but my friend I was just stating facts . Unlike alot on here I get out from behind my computer and put myself physically behind this movement as I happen to believe its a righteous cause and if anyone who knows me asks what I think I will tell them with the utmost pride because ill never hide what I truly believe from ANYONE .

A few people on here need to actually attend a demo and see for themselves that there are NAZIS and right wing types who are as we speak hijacking this group for their own ends so its up to us really , we can deny everything and hope it will go away or we can if we have any balls meet them head on . Its that simple . I am not scared ...are you ?
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Apr 16 2010, 01:07 AM
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Apr 15 2010, 09:10 PM
Not at all, Just not seen the education yet. I Understand the EDL are about militan muslim, yet repeatedly all I see is islamaphobia. Clutching at straws to prove how bad they are, even if it bears little or nothing to do with the UK..

But please continue, still here Sir
There is no such thing as Islamaphobia, thats a crock of s**te. A term coined after the "race card" argument finally held no water. Islam is an ideology not a race after all.

The EDL do not fear Islam, our struggle is against an ideology, an ideology that was best practised by the "RASHIDUN" Muhammads closest followers.

Ok to kill homos, ok to kill infidels, ok to subjugate indigenous populations, ok to impose dhimmitude on indigenous populations and extort high taxes from the Ahl al-Kitāb to sustain a greed for empire and a thirst for offensive jihad (that would be ghazu raids for those who dont believe in offensive jihad).

Ok to molest and marry children, ok to beat wives for "disobedience", ok to wage war and split the world into the dar al harb and the dar al Islam, ok to capture "war booty", that would include the moral acceptance of raping and pillaging villages, cutting the heads off men and young boys in front of their mothers, grandmothers, aunts, sisters and then brave "mujahadeen" taking them as the quran states "all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess"

Ok to punish anyone who dare question or confront Islam, those who threaten Islam or defame Muhammad are to be mutilated, killed or expelled from their indigenous homeland. Ok to throw bricks at a woman's head, ok to follow the "Will Of Allah" and become a martyr to gain a first class ticket to Allahs bordello paradise where the man will have giant virgin houries to pleasure for eternity, the same with the "pearly eyed boys" and rivers of wine to get pissed on (oh the irony of Allahs drunken orgy house).

Need i go on?

Islamic Imperialism was born out of violent 7th century Arabian tribalism, thIS is the moral code for Muslims to follow TODAY. It is still empowered and enshrined in "Allahs Immutable Word" relevant for all times and all places for EVERYONE only Muslims get the better deal obviously.

Who dare question the FINAL revelation of god himself eh?

Im first in line.......

Simples, any Muslim who thinks such things are justified or that such actions require emulation to gain "piety" and good favour from a pagan rock god (or Muhammads alter ego) are a HUGE problem indeed.

Something not to be underestimated, something not to shy away from out of fear for being labelled "racist" or "Islamaphobic". Its a reality one we ignore at our own peril.

Thank f**k there are Muslims out there not like that but a MAJORITY in my opinion subscribe to far too many dangerous, intolerant, and subversive theological ideals shaped by 7th century Imperialsim.


Great post nemesis :) two thumbs up!
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Apr 16 2010, 01:37 PM
A few people on here need to actually attend a demo and see for themselves that there are NAZIS and right wing types who are as we speak hijacking this group for their own ends so its up to us really , we can deny everything and hope it will go away or we can if we have any balls meet them head on . Its that simple . I am not scared ...are you ?
Well why don't you help the cause and name them for us, We could do with a Nazi clear-out don't you think. Of course you will have to provide your conclusive evidence, can you do that?

And what all this talk of "right wing types"? Are you not a 'left wing type'? Last I knew EDL was apolitical. Correct me If I am wrong though?
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as i see it it is a plain and simple choice for moderate muslims ENGLISH/BRITISH culture or islamic clulture simple as that ethier intreagate or go to a country where the culture is better suited to the way you want to live
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Apr 16 2010, 02:03 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 01:37 PM
A few people on here need to actually attend a demo and see for themselves that there are NAZIS and right wing types who are as we speak hijacking this group for their own ends so its up to us really , we can deny everything and hope it will go away or we can if we have any balls meet them head on . Its that simple . I am not scared ...are you ?
Well why don't you help the cause and name them for us, We could do with a Nazi clean out don't you think. Of course you will have to provide your conclusive evidence, can you do that?

And what all this talk of "right wing types"? Are you not a 'left wing type'? Last I knew EDL was apolitical. Correct me If I am wrong though?
Great points peter ! we have to watch out for some of these left wing types hijacking the EDL cause!
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Apr 16 2010, 02:07 PM
Great points peter ! we have to watch out for some of these left wing types hijacking the EDL cause!
Yes, trying to destroy everything we worked so hard to build, for their own ends! ;)
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Ok let me rephrase...

When you don't like what people think or their opinions call them racist. It's UAF tactics.

I was on about Henchman, he don't like what has been said, so he says we have racist views, obviouslywants to call us nazis.

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I like you as you crack me up with what you write on here but my friend I was just stating facts . Unlike alot on here I get out from behind my computer and put myself physically behind this movement as I happen to believe its a righteous cause and if anyone who knows me asks what I think I will tell them with the utmost pride because ill never hide what I truly believe from ANYONE .

A few people on here need to actually attend a demo and see for themselves that there are NAZIS and right wing types who are as we speak hijacking this group for their own ends so its up to us really , we can deny everything and hope it will go away or we can if we have any balls meet them head on . Its that simple . I am not scared ...are you ?
I went Dudley and can honestly say I didn't come in contact or see a nazi. Unless they was in stealth mode.

I don't know how anyone expressed racist views here to be honest, surely if someone dont like this country and want the laws changed for them, then they need to be sent back to their homeland where they can have their laws...
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henchman has revealed himself finally in more than one way. ill tell you what henchman i havent met you but ill tell you this you target h.s. at a demo and i will personally bitch slap you and im sure i wouldnt be on my own there not that i would need anyone else.
telling him to stop going on about islams persection of homos WHY THE f**k SHOULD HE it affects his life.
as for the intimidation pack it in you bully
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Just in case anyone missed it, the EDL has made it's position on Nazis quite clear.

http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/04/05/edl-leader-tommy-robinson-issues-anti-nazi-statement/
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they dont have ANY intensions of integrating , and they dont have ANY intentions of geting on with us and our way of life, so i ask myself, why is it this country has accepted so many people from this evil faith? well in the beginning they werent so 'evil' and anti west, i remember times playing in the park with turkish boys, we used to play kurds and turks, eygptians , arabs etc, vs black and white kids, we all got on fine. I now look at my old area and the children playing together, even in secondary schools, these children/teenagers dont integrate with anyone out of their religion, their culture. I recently was near a secondary school in london, and it was so divided along racial/religous lines, obviously majority non white, but thats not my point, in majority black areas, muslims dont seem to interact with black people, its everywhere. What i am basicly saying is, i believe that we cant live side by side with each other, their religion stops them from doing this, it states to conquer the world for allah in the quran right? well theres your proof about them not wanting to integrate and not wanting us here, i've said it all along, there here to take over, thats the harsh reality.
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henchman has revealed himself finally in more than one way. ill tell you what henchman i havent met you but ill tell you this you target h.s. at a demo and i will personally bitch slap you and im sure i wouldnt be on my own there not that i would need anyone else.
telling him to stop going on about islams persection of homos WHY THE f**k SHOULD HE it affects his life.
as for the intimidation pack it in you bully
Amen brother! ^_^
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henchman has revealed himself finally in more than one way. ill tell you what henchman i havent met you but ill tell you this you target h.s. at a demo and i will personally bitch slap you and im sure i wouldnt be on my own there not that i would need anyone else.
telling him to stop going on about islams persection of homos WHY THE f**k SHOULD HE it affects his life.
as for the intimidation pack it in you bully
Oh do f**k off you complete prick . The only thing you"ll be bitch slapping is thin air . I merely stated my intention in proving I am one of the good blokes not some UAF plant . I have been part of this group since its inception and I know I am stating facts .
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Do you know what ? I am growing tired your tedious droning about who you have and who you havent got doubts about , mate I couldnt give two f**ks . I know exactly who you are so at the next demo I can make ill do you the favour of introducing myself so to let you know that I am indeed a real human being and further more I am right behind thel just and proper reason this organisation exists in the first place . Your entitled to believe what you like but it strikes me that your carrying around a rather large chip on your shoulder due to Islams view on queer folk . I have news for you in that respect and it is that millions and millions and millions of people do not agree with homosexual acts and all that goes with , sorry if this upsets you but your going to have to deal with it ........remember free speech ? I myself simply find it amusing but you crack on with whatever makes you happy .
For someone who goes on about supposed right-wing head cases at EDL demos or supposedly sitting watching this thread, you seem very gleeful at the idea of the homophobic savages around the world.

I couldn't care less if millions of people don't agree with homosexuality. It has f**k all to do with them. The point about civilization is that we don't go sticking our noses into what consensual adults do. It's why muslims don't belong here - they can't stop themselves from passing judgement on others and from trying to convert people.

The longer I spend on this forum hearing apologists for islam, the more I find the idea of mass deportation appealling. You clearly haven't met the gay muslims whose lives are destroyed by their familiy's hatred. You haven't met the gay muslims who have been subjected to death threats. If you're not intolerant of that, I don't think you have any place in this movement. Tell me, do you have to contemplate that any of your neighbours could be planning to kill you? Gay people are on the front line of islamic intolerance.

It appears that you want homophobes to have free speech, but you think people on this forum shouldn't have the free speech to criticize islam and muslims. I guess in your view, some animals are more equal than others. Do you think homos are somehow deserving of hatred, but muslims aren't?

I look forward to you introducing yourself to me at the next demo. I've met nothing but really wonderful people at EDL demos. And I've met none of the right-wing racists you claim to see. In fact, I'm astonished by the number of people I meet through EDL who are strongly opposed to the BNP. I'm sure there must be some BNP supporters at EDL demos, but I don't get to meet them, and it's not like I am a knee-jerk opponent of the BNP, so there's no reason they should lie to me. I've met less opposition to the BNP amongst friends and family than I've met amongst EDL people.

Finally, can you tell me which demos you have been to since you joined in August 2009? I'd like to know what bad experiences you have had that would make your opinion of EDL supporters be so wildly divergent to my own. Feel free to PM me if you would rather this thread continued to discuss what should be done to get muslims to integrate.
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For the record I am stating here and now that I am targeting no one . HS really believes I am suspect so I was merely offering to meet him to clear that up nothing more nothing less . Stop being pedantic .
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so what demo you been on hench and are you going aylesbury
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HS - So because a group of people do not support Homosexuals you would deport them ? Your treading on very dangerous ground there my friend because you know who you should just like ? Militant Imans who condone killing infidels due to non-practice . Its all part of the same toilet of hate which needs flushing . I know loads of Muslims who hate no one in fact I was just in a house today with two girls from Kurdistan who are massively indebted to this country and would leave for all the money in the world .

You will find millions of Catholics who hate homosexuals as you will find millions of Christians who hate homosexuals or how about Jamaican youth culture where homosexuals also get short shrift so shall we deport them aswell ?

Mate youve got to get used to the idea the an awful lot of people from across the board find homosexuality sinful for whatever reason . Best let the silly buggers drive themselves daft with hate because thats all they will achieve in the Country
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so what demo you been on hench and are you going aylesbury
No but PM your details and arrange to meet you anytime
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so you havent been to demo and why arent you going to aylesbury
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I have been to Birmingham , Manchester , Nottingham , Dudley & Bolton . I am not going to Aylesbury because I will be out of the country
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can anyone back that up
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can anyone back that up
I attend with a good friend but if your saying does anyone who posts on here know me then thats a no because ive never met anyone off here .Yet .
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so you attend demos meet no one on here but find loads of nazis erm
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so you attend demos meet no one on here but find loads of nazis erm
Look its painful reading your replies so ill spell it out for you . I have when I have attended and granted I havent been to every single demonstration , however going off what I have personally witnessed come across groups of ultra right wing lads making it plain they are just out for a fight with any Muslim who crosses their path . Their beef is with Islam full stop as is many who post on here . Its thinly veiled hatred which is busting out of the seams more and more . This group is meant to be peacefully protesting against militant Islam not threatening to deport the lot because we dont like how they look upon a certain section of British society because you know what ? They are not alone on that thought .

Some on here are hell bent on erasing Islam from the face of British history forever and I say fair enough if thats what you REALLY want but dont try to dress it up any other way because id respect you far more if you just came out and said it .
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i dont like islam am i a nazi ?
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i dont like islam am i a nazi ?
Why would disliking Islam make you a Nazi ? Lost me there
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your words not mine read your posts
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Help Muslims integrate into what exactly?

A Christian or Pagan culture and way of life.

A society that treats women as equals

A society that lets little girls become little girls and NOT objects of desire

The list is endless, Muslims will never allow themselves to integrate into a civilized Western culture furthermore i do not wish them to indoctrinate their filth into my society.

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Apr 16 2010, 05:53 PM
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Apr 16 2010, 05:49 PM
i dont like islam am i a nazi ?
Why would disliking Islam make you a Nazi ? Lost me there
Correct me if im wrong but isnt that what we are Nazis ?
Well thats what the government funded UAF and other red orgs say so it must be right. ;)
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I think that comes after the choudrys have been moved on Peter, at the moment it would just be seen as another western attack on islam, further re-enforcing their faith
O yea. Did you answer why i was a racist?
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i dont like islam am i a nazi ?
no

just because someone doesn't like a faith doesn't make them a Nazi ...

i don't like communism, am i a Nazi ? no I dont like religon end of does that make me a nazi . no ... its called freedom of choice and a freedom of right to express my views, which in no means result in insult, or at worse the death of a fellow human being ...

moslims dont like jews, are they nazi ... yes because they promote and carry out killings of jews ...

moslims dont like gays , are they nazi .. yes because they promote and carry out killings of gays

all because the perfect man mohammed said it was right

@ henceman

to tackle the extremist we have to look look at the root ... and the root of extremism is Islam .... which is a political ideology ....

now .... as for my views on moslims, they fall into THREE categories,

category 1 -the ones that do not practice their religion and live by western values and cultures, these are welcome to remain in the uk as they do not demand sharia, and the accept the law of the land ...

category 2 - those that go to mosque, read the koran and actually follw the rules .. ie will not drink, eat only halal .... these i have a difficulty categorizing in terms of whether they are moderates or extremist ... do they live quietly as a moderate only to turn into an extremist once sharia has taken over completely ....

Category 3 - those moslims that kill or promote killing the name of allah .... no explanation needed really...

Now .... until the moderates step up to the plate and denounce the killing of those who leave Islam, denounce the killings of kafir, denounce the murder of non believers then we will always have the element of uncertainty as to who sits in the above categories .... because lets face it .... choudry went from category 1 to category 3 pretty fast..... so who do you trust ?
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your words not mine read your posts
No I think its you who needs to re-read what I have written . I said that I have seen , witnessed and listened to groups of individuals with serious right wing tendencies . Never have I stated on these pages that disliking Islam would bracket you as a Nazi . Like it or not there are and continue to be ultra right wing fascists attending EDL demonstrations
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Apr 16 2010, 05:58 PM
Help Muslims integrate into what exactly?

A Christian or Pagan culture and way of life.

A society that treats women as equals

A society that lets little girls become little girls and NOT objects of desire

The list is endless, Muslims will never allow themselves to integrate into a civilized Western culture furthermore i do not wish them to indoctrinate their filth into my society.

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Respect . I admire you for speaking your mind
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Apr 16 2010, 05:27 PM
HS - So because a group of people do not support Homosexuals you would deport them ? Your treading on very dangerous ground there my friend because you know who you should just like ? Militant Imans who condone killing infidels due to non-practice . Its all part of the same toilet of hate which needs flushing . I know loads of Muslims who hate no one in fact I was just in a house today with two girls from Kurdistan who are massively indebted to this country and would leave for all the money in the world .

You will find millions of Catholics who hate homosexuals as you will find millions of Christians who hate homosexuals or how about Jamaican youth culture where homosexuals also get short shrift so shall we deport them aswell ?

Mate youve got to get used to the idea the an awful lot of people from across the board find homosexuality sinful for whatever reason . Best let the silly buggers drive themselves daft with hate because thats all they will achieve in the Country
You are equating a policy of non-violent deportation of violently-intolerant bigots with those to-be-deported bigots acts of incitement to murder. Are you so blind to your own prejudices? The fact that you are incapable of seeing what you are doing just fuels my suspicions about your agenda.

And I won't find millions of catholics or millions of christians in this county who are intolerant of homosexuality. Guess what? I grew up in a very catholic household. And my parents and siblings and nephews and neices are not only tolerant, they fight for gay rights. And there are loads of gay people like me in this country who were born into christian families. And none of them have had the problems like the gay muslims I've known.

So you betray your own prejudice when try to equate the tolerance of the majority of the people in this country with the (statistically-demonstrated) intolerance of the muslims in this country. Again, I question what you are doing here.

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As far as I can work out, it looks like in all three of the countries charted there, it's the intolerance of the muslims that is dragging down the general levels of tolerance. So don't try and make out that islamic homophobia in the UK is not an extremely serious problem.

I'm proud of the fact that most of my (non-muslim) countrymen are tolerant. Clearly you're not proud of their tolerance. And guess what? Their tolerance doesn't just extend to people with a different sexuality. About 10% of the people I've met through EDL actually have non-white people in their families.

And here we go again with "I know loads of muslims who are x". How the f**k is it that they are never the ones being surveyed, eh? Could it be they are statistically insignificant? Or have you even bothered to ask them what they think about homosexuality? Why aren't your legions of allegedly tolerant muslims out on the streets campaigning against the death threats against gay muslims, the death threats against muslim women, the actual murders of gay muslims and muslim women by their supposedly loving families? It's perfectly possible for some muslim refugee here to be glad to be here but do nothing to stand up for the freedoms that we have here. I've met gay muslims in precisely this situation.

I have no qualms about deporting homophobic Jamaican youth. Considering they are happy to listen to songs calling for me to be murdered, they don't deserve to be living in a civilized country. Black men are the 2nd most common group that gay people identify as being responsible for homophobic violence. So guess what, I have no qualms about deporting them. But then again, I'm a liberal/leftie who's prepared to face the facts and think for myself. And I advocate the death penalty for murder. Don't think you can sway me with "slippery slope" arguments.

There should be no tolerance for intolerance. When muslims start coming out defending the rights of others, I'll start defending the rights of muslims.

It's obvious from everything you've said to me in this exchange, you have no conception of the problems facing gay people in this country in the last 10 years and in the next 30 years. If the trend towards increased radicalism in young muslims continues, and if the growth rates in the muslim population continues, I have no doubt that (left unchecked) within 30 years this country will see gay people being imprisoned or executed.

I hope to god you have no children or grandchildren who turn out to be gay.

edited to add some hyphens to the first para, as without them I think only I will know what it means :)
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Apr 16 2010, 05:45 PM
what I have personally witnessed come across groups of ultra right wing lads making it plain they are just out for a fight with any Muslim who crosses their path . Their beef is with Islam full stop

Some on here are hell bent on erasing Islam from the face of British history forever and I say fair enough if thats what you REALLY want but dont try to dress it up any other way because id respect you far more if you just came out and said it .
a shortened version of one of your posts we know what your implying
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I'm agreeing we need them to integrate more because we don't want to create another northern Ireland here
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I'm agreeing we need them to integrate more because we don't want to create another northern Ireland here
Don't you understand...

THEY DONT WANT TOO
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As far as I can work out, it looks like in all three of the countries charted there, it's the intolerance of the muslims that is dragging down the general levels of tolerance. So don't try and make out that islamic homophobia in the UK is not an extremely serious problem.


Just my 2 cents so we can get the facts right.
Muslims only make up 2.8% of the UK population. According to your graph 0% of Muslims think Homosexual acts are morally acceptable.
This would mean that only 58% of the total UK population think Homosexual acts are morally acceptable, well 58% of the people surveyed anyway.
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I'm agreeing we need them to integrate more because we don't want to create another northern Ireland here
Don't you understand...

THEY DONT WANT TOO
Neither did the Ulster men but it seems to be getting better there. I don't buy into the send them home thing if they are born here.
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Muslims only make up 2.8% of the UK population.
Wered you see that? :blink:
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As far as I can work out, it looks like in all three of the countries charted there, it's the intolerance of the muslims that is dragging down the general levels of tolerance. So don't try and make out that islamic homophobia in the UK is not an extremely serious problem.


Just my 2 cents so we can get the facts right.
Muslims only make up 2.8% of the UK population. According to your graph 0% of Muslims think Homosexual acts are morally acceptable.
This would mean that only 58% of the total UK population think Homosexual acts are morally acceptable, well 58% of the people surveyed anyway.
Gay people are not an issue at all
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