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How would you help Muslims intergrate?
Topic Started: Apr 14 2010, 06:43 PM (2,287 Views)
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Apr 15 2010, 10:43 PM
previous post Peter, and if I want to call somebody there will be no miss interpretation.
Ah I thought not. I think its because the word/link is not highlighted so it looks like part of the text ^_^
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read post 143 peter i took it he was no she was calling you a wanker if im wrong i apologize
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I am using the ex.ivion ll skin so the link is red. I am also all man, maybe not well endowed but big enough to fill a pram as they say this side of watford
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Apr 15 2010, 10:51 PM
I am using the ex.ivion ll skin so the link is red. I am also all man, maybe not well endowed but big enough to fill a pram as they say this side of watford
That'll be it. Im using zeta original and it not showing up highlighted for me. Thats a bit of an annoying bug?
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do you wanna answer my question posted earlier
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I've got nothing against the different cultures in this country, the majority do try to intergrate but the question is 'how would I help muslims intergrate?', I wouldn't as I want them the hell out of MY country
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Apr 15 2010, 10:26 PM
Oh, and dont forget Tim Parry and Jonathan Ball in your list of terror victims
I think this was the answer I gave, or was it a different question?
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Apr 15 2010, 10:14 PM
studio is still watching thats an hour now just watching not saying a thing
and still hasnt answered my question. 9/11 london indonesia madrid turkey, the american army base jihad jane what is the name of the religion these cowardly attacks were done in ?????????????????
sorry if i have forgotten any. or have failed to mention the numerous failed attempts to blow up innocent people
what religion were these cowardly attacks done under
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ah, thought so. I refer you to my previous answer. Terrorism is not the sole preserve of islam. But I take it you believe every single Muslim has a Semtex vest for when the right day comes
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Apr 15 2010, 11:02 PM
I've got nothing against the different cultures in this country, the majority do try to intergrate but the question is 'how would I help muslims intergrate?', I wouldn't as I want them the hell out of MY country
I wouldn't go that far. I have a few friends who are what would be described as 'moderate Muslim' on here. The difference is, they no longer keep up the pretence anymore, they just admit that they are apostates and are fine with it. The only thing we need to do is create a safe haven for them, NOT perpetuate the problem and make things more difficult for them to exit.
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ok ill say it them attacks were done in the name of islam as you cant say it.
no i dont think every muslim owns a semtex vest.i think a lot agree with it not all but a lot islam justifies it its called jihad.

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Apr 15 2010, 11:14 PM
ah, thought so. I refer you to my previous answer. Terrorism is not the sole preserve of islam. But I take it you believe every single Muslim has a Semtex vest for when the right day comes
Studio, do you believe that Islamic extremism stops at the gates of terrorism and bombings? What about tacit support and condoning of pedophilia? Or the criminalisation and execution of gays?
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No Peter, not by any means. Forced Niqab/burka wearing, homophobia, lack of free speech etc etc.

wow you can edit quick...
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TERRORISM IN THE NAME OF ISLAM

ok for you?
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Apr 15 2010, 11:17 PM
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Apr 15 2010, 11:02 PM
I've got nothing against the different cultures in this country, the majority do try to intergrate but the question is 'how would I help muslims intergrate?', I wouldn't as I want them the hell out of MY country
I wouldn't go that far. I have a few friends who are what would be described as 'moderate Muslim' on here. The difference is, they no longer keep up the pretence anymore, they just admit that they are apostates and are fine with it. The only thing we need to do is create a safe have for them, NOT perpetuate the problem and make things more difficult for them to exit.
OK, maybe I was a bit harsh, but if the moderate muslims want to live here and live side by side with us, fine, so let them stand up and be counted, let them shout out that this is a Christian country with history, culture, values, let them shout out that they don't want to take over and want to abide by our laws. If they do that, great, I'll be happy for them to stay and live in peace with them, but while they stay quiet and shy away, then to hell with them
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Peter, what would a muslim who said he didn't want shar'ia law publicly be classed as under islam? just wondered in answer to Ali12 post
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Apr 15 2010, 11:22 PM
.. lack of free speech '..

The magic words! :) These are the only weapons we need. And while at times, for a muslim, when exposing their beloved nabi, they will be more painful that a bullet to the guts, we have to be able to use them whenever we can or want without being branded a bigot or a racist.
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well i dont agree with terrorism in the name of islam
i dont like the fact one of my friends had to leave his country of birth because of islam
i think halal is barbaric
complete hatred and murdering of homos in the name of islam
pedophilia accepted in islam
picking on porkie because they couldnt clean or cook properly 1300 years ago
the persection of coptic christins in egypt which is allowed to happen
the list is endless and then we have silly people shout out you islamophobe how pathetic
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My earlier term Bigot was in reference to those who refuse to accept that there are 'moderate' muslims, seeking to destroy them en mass.
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Apr 15 2010, 11:26 PM
Peter, what would a muslim who said he didn't want shar'ia law publicly be classed as under islam? just wondered in answer to Ali12 post
An apostate. The Shari'ah is an integral component of Islam. Under a Khalifah he would be hounded just as a kafir would be.

Ruling by Man made laws - Al-Hukm Bil-Kufr: Allah (swt) says: "..Whoever does not rule by what Allah has revealed, they are the oppressors.." [Q 5:45]
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So when Choudry and the rest of the twatts stand and preach their bile, what can a western muslim do about it?
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Oh, and I would not help them integrate, we have gone far enough.
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a moderate muslim who reads the koran reads how we the kuffar are no more than pigs and apes thanks thats a nice thing to call me.
what have i done to you and you insult me or your book of hatred does
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Apr 15 2010, 11:35 PM
So when Choudry and the rest of the twatts stand and preach their bile, what can a western muslim do about it?
Come to terms with the fact that they are sincerely proclaiming and practising their deen for the sake of Allah as pious Muslims. Every true Muslim has a duty and an obligation to make sure the world comes to accept the shari'ah
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So basically, what is being said, is that we have to fight this out to try and stop this country becoming an islamic one with no help from these 'moderate muslims', we do the fighting, we do the shouting, the marching, spending our money to go across the country on demos, we have to make the difference while they carry on living their cushy little lives, going about their business etc etc and hopefully, when we succeed in our mission, they then say 'Oh well, we always agreed with you but didn't dare speak out, but thanks anyway'...............bull
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True, but a lot just go to mosque on friday lunch then get back to their western way of life. They no more want sharia than we do, but they cant stand up and shout that can they.

in answer to Peter
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Apr 15 2010, 11:40 PM
So basically, what is being said, is that we have to fight this out to try and stop this country becoming an islamic one with no help from these 'moderate muslims', we do the fighting, we do the shouting, the marching, spending our money to go across the country on demos, we have to make the difference while they carry on living their cushy little lives, going about their business etc etc and hopefully, when we succeed in our mission, they then say 'Oh well, we always agreed with you but didn't dare speak out, but thanks anyway'...............bull
In essence yes, but it gets easier if they dont feel that they are tarred with the same brush as the other twats. Thats why I look like some uaf wanker on here, because I dont want these guys retreating back into islam as a defence mechanism.
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So basically, what is being said, is that we have to fight this out to try and stop this country becoming an islamic one with no help from these 'moderate muslims', we do the fighting, we do the shouting, the marching, spending our money to go across the country on demos, we have to make the difference while they carry on living their cushy little lives, going about their business etc etc and hopefully, when we succeed in our mission, they then say 'Oh well, we always agreed with you but didn't dare speak out, but thanks anyway'...............bull
I believe that most decent muslims would be horrified to learn the facts about Muhammad. All their lives they have been taught that he is the uswa e hasana - a perfect example of a human being to emulate. If we could get documentaries out on mainstream TV networks with scholars and ex-muslims using the most authentic sources and texts, they will exit in their hundreds of thousands. Then we will have a better chance of identifying the fanatics.
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I think that comes after the choudrys have been moved on Peter, at the moment it would just be seen as another western attack on islam, further re-enforcing their faith
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If there's more moderates thanextremists, then I'm sorry but they have no excuse for their silence
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Apr 15 2010, 11:50 PM
I think that comes after the choudrys have been moved on Peter, at the moment it would just be seen as another western attack on islam, further re-enforcing their faith
What do you mean by "further re-enforcing their faith"?
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but to say'we dont want' goes against the main tennets(?) of the religion.. thats the problem
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Apr 15 2010, 11:57 PM
What do you mean by "further re-enforcing their faith"?
Encourages them into the defence of islam, sorry, I cant write the way I think, mind wanders :(
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Apr 15 2010, 11:51 PM
If there's more moderates thanextremists, then I'm sorry but they have no excuse for their silence
You would be surprised just how much power the minority have over the majority. Especially when they have the scriptures and texts on their side.
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Apr 15 2010, 11:59 PM
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Apr 15 2010, 11:57 PM
What do you mean by "further re-enforcing their faith"?
Encourages them into the defence of islam, sorry, I cant write the way I think, mind wanders :(
So what are your thoughts on a person who wants to defend and condone child rape/pedophilia?

ha, just noticed. cool avitar btw! ;)
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Wankers.

But how many of the western 3gen muslims actually do? This is where it does get difficult, error of way without putting backs to the wall. I am open to suggestions for the many chats I have, 3 today, on what islam means to them.
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ha, just noticed. cool avitar btw! ;)
Used by a damn fine, if extremely f**ked up , band. Plus its origin is nice

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Apr 15 2010, 11:51 PM
If there's more moderates thanextremists, then I'm sorry but they have no excuse for their silence
You would be surprised just how much power the minority have over the majority. Especially when they have the scriptures and texts on their side.
Well. personally, I wouldn't keep quiet if I were them. I'm not being quiet now, I'm standing up for what I believe and believe me, I feel like the bloody minority at times
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Peter hit the nail though Ali12, it really is not that easy in their culture/religion.... :(
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Apr 16 2010, 12:07 AM
Wankers.

But how many of the western 3gen muslims actually do? This is where it does get difficult, error of way without putting backs to the wall. I am open to suggestions for the many chats I have, 3 today, on what islam means to them.
This goes back to what I was saying earlier about creating the protection and a way for those who want to exit like my friends without the stigma and persecution. It would be exponential but the first wave will be difficult. I don't profess to have all the answers but this seems the most sensible way forward. The other options are too painful to contemplate.

I have personally witnessed a few apostasy exits after literally months of back & forth debates with muslims so I know it can work. We just need to do it on a larger scale.
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true, its the way we go about it

Bed for me, thanks for the convo, see you tomoz

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Apr 16 2010, 12:13 AM
Peter hit the nail though Ali12, it really is not that easy in their culture/religion.... :(
I know but they need to find a way before this gets any worse as they will be prsecuted, people will not differentiate between the moderates and the extremists, they will just see them all as one
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Apr 16 2010, 12:25 AM
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Apr 16 2010, 12:13 AM
Peter hit the nail though Ali12, it really is not that easy in their culture/religion.... :(
I know but they need to find a way before this gets any worse as they will be prsecuted, people will not differentiate between the moderates and the extremists, they will just see them all as one
I agree that's why time is of the essence.

@ iain: me too cheers mate.
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Apr 14 2010, 07:14 PM
they have no intention of integrating
Spot on fella,theres two kinds of Muslim.Those that want to take our country by force and those that are content to sit back and outbreed us.Thus leaving a legacy for their Grand Kids.They can go *uck, its our country for our Grand Kids.
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I don't really know any muslims, if I did, I would be having a chat with them about it all. I only know one but don't really talk to her, she was a good friend years ago but as we got older, our lives led us in different directions. She ended up marrying a muslim, I know when her kids were younger, everyone in the village was fuming as the father had taken the children out of school for a few weeks to take them to Pakistan, but it was said you shouldn't take your kids out of school to have a holiday, you had to do that in the school holidays. Again, one rule blah blah blah,


Grrrrrrrrr I feel so bloody angry about all this crap going on
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I have to say here that the friend who married a muslim was bought up a Christian, I went through school with her, she converted when she married him.
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Apr 15 2010, 09:10 PM
Not at all, Just not seen the education yet. I Understand the EDL are about militan muslim, yet repeatedly all I see is islamaphobia. Clutching at straws to prove how bad they are, even if it bears little or nothing to do with the UK..

But please continue, still here Sir
The word "Islamophobia" implies an irrational fear or hatred of Islam.

There is nothing irrational about fearing something that wants to destroy you and your family. Therefore, the word Islamophobia is an oxymoron.
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Apr 15 2010, 11:14 PM
ah, thought so. I refer you to my previous answer. Terrorism is not the sole preserve of islam. But I take it you believe every single Muslim has a Semtex vest for when the right day comes
Do they???

Blimey!

Glad you cleared that one up.
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If there's more moderates thanextremists, then I'm sorry but they have no excuse for their silence
You would be surprised just how much power the minority have over the majority. Especially when they have the scriptures and texts on their side.
And craziness.

Never underestimate the power of craziness in a fight.
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Apr 16 2010, 12:07 AM
Wankers.

But how many of the western 3gen muslims actually do? This is where it does get difficult, error of way without putting backs to the wall. I am open to suggestions for the many chats I have, 3 today, on what islam means to them.
This goes back to what I was saying earlier about creating the protection and a way for those who want to exit like my friends without the stigma and persecution. It would be exponential but the first wave will be difficult. I don't profess to have all the answers but this seems the most sensible way forward. The other options are too painful to contemplate.

I have personally witnessed a few apostasy exits after literally months of back & forth debates with muslims so I know it can work. We just need to do it on a larger scale.
And the latest contender for a fatwah is.....
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