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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 11:40 PM Post #51 |
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Yes, I know a non muslim man married to a muslim woman. Or more precisely I know one of her brothers. He is one of my best mates. Go for beers with him most weeks. eh? Rich people don't count? Their ability to count has probably got them where they are. So how "rich" do they have to be to not count? teacher? pilot? doctor? judge? mp? footballer? russian oligarch? what a ridiculous statement. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 11:45 PM Post #52 |
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Really? Already have allowed a kafir marriage to their sister you mean? Don't take this the wrong way, but I would be most interested to see the evidence for that claim? That is what I would call true integration. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 11:58 PM Post #53 |
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Yes really. Why would I lie. I am pro EDL and anti Islam. Sorry, you ain't going to see evidence of the claim. I am not about to post details of my mates' sister and her husband on here. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:01 AM Post #54 |
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Regardless of how devious, and horrible Islam is. You cannot stop people from practising their religion. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:05 AM Post #55 |
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Don't be silly, I wouldn't ask you to post them here publicly. But What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:08 AM Post #56 |
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PP Replied to your PM. Don't feel any great need to prove what I say. If I want to, and my mate wants to, I will. As you are probably aware, it isn't always the best idea to stick your head above the parapet with the Muslim community. I doubt he will want to risk unnecessary attention. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:15 AM Post #57 |
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yep cheers just got your PM. I understand totally but he/she would remain anonymous in cyberspace
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| nemisis123456 | Apr 15 2010, 12:21 AM Post #58 |
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I would make Muslims integrate or id make them leave. Gone are the days of "understanding" hateful and intolerant peoples. Fit in or FUCK OFF! Simples. Id also ban their dual nationality passports. |
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| studio | Apr 15 2010, 12:34 AM Post #59 |
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so I have to hate every Muslim or f**k off? Well I dont hate them all, just the choudrys et al peddling their bile on our soil. My brothers daughters are dual nat passport holders, they are Jews... |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:34 AM Post #60 |
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Where do you lot stand on the Chinese community then? They don't integrate much as a general rule. Pigeons ---- Cat ------ Pigeons |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:39 AM Post #61 |
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Im married to a Chinese woman. |
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| nemisis123456 | Apr 15 2010, 12:46 AM Post #62 |
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Cant agree with that mate i know of plenty Chinese folk who integrate very well. Cant say iv heard any calling to kill kuffar or turn this country into anything like China for that matter. All in all i dont have a bad word to say about Chinese people really. Of course there is always an exception to that rule but that applies to everyone of course. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:50 AM Post #63 |
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i think one needs to consider the respect we have from the Chinese, they come here work very hard for their money and are so respectful of us and do not go out of their way to enforce any changes on our culture or our way of life ... now, how can we get moslims to integrate ..... it is really simple welcome to the UK, we have english law, you shall live by this law and if you do not want to live by this law, then thank you for your visit but you will be asked to leave ... along with, stop building mega mosque, try to 'fit in' with our culture by dressing as we do, dio not disrespect us just because we dont follow the teachings of the koran .. it is after all not a moslim country ..... i would like to point out, that any country i have visited, whether its for a holiday or business trip i have my simple rules 1 - learn some of the basics in the local dialect 2 - respect the local customs / traditions 3 - dont complain when you encounter something that is not the 'norm' .... its not any of my business as to what goes on in their country 4 - eat the food made locally 5 - treat your host with absolute respect ..... when in roma do as the romans do ... also, its worth noticing i hate holidays in places that have been taken over by the 'british fry' culture ... thats not a holiday, one can go to blackpool, brigton or where ever to have that kind of holiday .... ffs ... |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:56 AM Post #64 |
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For what its worth it was a hypothetical question. I know many many chinese people and I am very close friends with some. I will be playing football tomorrow with a group of Chinese lads - all 2nd or 3rd generation. I expect there will only be 2 of us who aren't chinese out of both teams. They do tend to stick to each others company quite a lot though and consider me an exception sometimes. There are sizeable communities of Chinese/Thai/Mongolian etc in major cities and some small towns who barely integrate at all. They come here to do business. PP - I am marrying an oriental lady later this year too. My impression from being on the "inside" is that there are a number of things that oriental people find distasteful about our culture. Their approach is different to Muslims though as they respect England as being English so English culture should take precedence. They don't try to change us from within (unless you marry one! They will change you just the same as any woman will try to!) Recently some of them have remarked to me that the worst thing about this country is the fact that we have given it away and lose more, inch by inch, every day. Proud people who can't understand why anyone would want to sell their country down the river. (since i started becoming vocal about these issues) |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:57 AM Post #65 |
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Here are some more Chinese not integrating much again... as usual |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:59 AM Post #66 |
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Boudicca - agree with you on the Chinese part. I am trying to get to the bottom of the real issues here. So, if non-integrating, hard working, respectful Chinese are ok then non-integration isn't really the issue is it? What we are saying is do what you want as long as it is legal and ethical, but respect us and our way of life and don't expect us to change to accomodate you. If you wish to change and live by our cultural norms then you are welcome to do that also. Is that right? |
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| Good Knight | Apr 15 2010, 12:59 AM Post #67 |
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Islam is simply not compatible with the west. I dont expect them to change because thats their beliefs, fair enough, but no way should we have to change a damn thing. Are way or the highway and yes.... The highway leads to Saudi Arabia so everyones happy. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 01:01 AM Post #68 |
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Whats that vid all about PP? Who is the riot between and where is it? What was the reason behind it? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 01:04 AM Post #69 |
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Oh look, more Chinese refusing to integrate with their Muslim hosts |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 01:07 AM Post #70 |
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its late i am tired .. lets see if i can get this right lol " What we are saying is do what you want as long as it is legal and ethical, but respect us and our way of life this is what i mean .. i will change and accommodate any faith .. i.e. for example i went to a sikh wedding once, and i was accommodating of the fact i had to wear a scarf on my head in respect to them and their temple .... i would accommodate a moslim in there mosque by taking my shoes off, and not walking my pet dog or pig on the mosque property ... but dont expect me to accommodate you when your pushing the boundaries of reasonableness, being greedy and asking for us to do things like not eat in front of you during Ramadan ..... or ... having moslem only swimming days ... you get the idea .... |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 01:08 AM Post #71 |
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Agreed. Try this weak argument for size. I am trying. I think the distinction here is that if Chinese people came here with the express intention of turning the UK into a communist state and maybe even a satellite state of their mother country we would take offence. If they started trying to change the rules in our society to reflect the rules back in China we would take offence. They don't do this. Reason for picking on Chinese people is because everyone I have spoken to seems to have no issue with Chinese immigrants but they do also not integrate that well sometimes (like most immigrant communities). They also have some political ideology issues and a different value system to us. I think it is useful to apply the same thinking process to a section of society that people don't have strong negative feelings towards in order to remove the emotion and organise thoughts better. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 01:09 AM Post #72 |
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Agreed. I would respect a Sikh persons wishes at their wedding too. Or take my shoes off at a mosque. Good correction. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 01:09 AM Post #73 |
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The footage is from the riots by Uighur Muslims in the Xinjiang area of China last year. Attacking Han locals. The BBC didn't show you this did they? I have much more disturbing stuff than this. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 01:13 AM Post #74 |
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Blimey. One thing the Muslims (as a collective) have got is balls. There is no way I would take on the West (US really), China, India and Russia in one go!! What is surprising is that the heads of each of those countries haven't sat around a table and said. Right chaps, enough is enough, lets sort the lot of these wankers out once and for all. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 01:20 AM Post #75 |
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There are some serious issues with china in terms of its human right laws, and the oppressiveness of its government. I could assume that the reason why the Chinese are accommodating and respectful of us, as immigrants is that they know what it is like to have it real bad .... Now the issue with moslems, in a lot of cases the problems come from 3rd generation, or direct immigration from Somalian or the conflict zones .. .. now .. 3rd generation dont really know what shaira is, and they glorify they take pride in the fight against the oppression of the west (as they see it) and a sense of belonging to a 'just cause'.. in fact they do not really understand the implications of sharia, and the guidance they have is coming from the radicalized imans. I am pretty sure that a large percentage of the first wave of immigrants from moslim countries, came here to get away from oppressive regimes and sharia law ... these are the grandp[arents of the young, who are slowly, naturally dieing out .... and we are left with new immigrants glorifying, making sharia out to be a wonderful thing to which the young are looking up to ... and taking to their hearts ... so, cut off the head of the beast and the body dies ... if the governmental had remove those immigrants and prevent further immigration from such countries which are fighting us, i think we would not had the issues we have to greater degree as we do now ..... i am tired.. i am off to bed now lol |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 01:26 AM Post #76 |
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me too. Good thread this. hopefully it will still be here tomorrow... or will we be back to the 7-11 store style new forum?? best get me shades ready just in case
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 03:52 AM Post #77 |
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They make fantastic food and they don't make me feel like a outsider in my own country! |
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| Karif-Chris | Apr 15 2010, 06:42 AM Post #78 |
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A dam site richer than you and me mate, Jemma Khan sprang to mind
Not half as ridiculous as yours mate
You are either being lied to or this lady is no longer a muslim ( unless they are very RICH, and being able to count has nothing to do with wealth) or the bloke is a mulsim now, as it is forbidden for a none muslim man to marry a muslim woman, did they have the 2 ceremonies a legal 1 and a muslim 1, I don't think so because the most moderate imam wouldn't touch that relation ship with a barge pole as it is illigal in sharia law. http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503547874&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar Edited by Karif-Chris, Apr 15 2010, 06:54 AM.
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| Karif-Chris | Apr 15 2010, 06:58 AM Post #79 |
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MUSLIM WOMAN AND NON-MUSLIM MAN: ..... And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al-Mushrikun** till they believe in Allah alone and verily a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik, even though he pleases you....[2:221] ** Al-Mushrikun=>Pagans, idolators, polytheist and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and in His messanger Prophet Muhammad SAW) - [[6]] Islam considers the husband head-of-the-family and therefore requires that a Muslima cannot marry a non-Muslim because she will be under the authority of a non-muslim husband. He may prevent her from carrying out her religious obligations by either pressuring her or physically abusing her. But it is not the sole reason for imposing the restriction. The situation is considered very damaging for the woman to practise Islam afterwards and even worse for the kids in such marriages. There are NO conditions mentioned under which a Muslim woman IS allowed to get married or remain married to a non-Muslim husband after she has accepted Islam. Therefore, even if she has freedom to practise Islam after marriage, she is NOT allowed to enter into an inter-faith marriage. |
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| Karif-Chris | Apr 15 2010, 07:01 AM Post #80 |
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I fail to see where it says anything about stopping people from practicing their religion, please highlight it for me. |
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| Karif-Chris | Apr 15 2010, 07:15 AM Post #81 |
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One of my best mates from school was Chinese, he was the only Chinese there, my daughters uncle married a Chinese girl (no conversions or bad feeling between any part of either family), the owners of the Chinese takeaway near me are nice people, they send us xmas cards we send them back, our kids play together. So they may not be integrating as much as Jamaican or African people have but they are not going out of their way to create a niche for themselves here (except in the cooking). And who in their right mind would want to water down Chinese cooking with English cooking, I say keep Chinese food Chinese. mmm mmm mmmmmm |
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| Karif-Chris | Apr 15 2010, 07:17 AM Post #82 |
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Sounds about right to me
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 07:41 AM Post #83 |
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Alot of bigoted people on here who are merely reinforcing what the far left would love the world to hear . Grow up . |
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| studio | Apr 15 2010, 07:42 AM Post #84 |
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I deal a lot with Muslims, 95% of my customers are. I have eaten meals with them, oggled the girls passing with them (Asian ones as well) and had arguments about the Music on the Radio (I prefer Punk, Heavy Metal and a lot of the bollywood/slumdog stuff, with a decent sprinkling of DnB - they all like RnB) Most understand shar'ia very well - only met one who said he wanted it. He got told to f**k off to Afgan by another ypoung lad. Radicals are happening, but its not the major problem at the moment. The 3gen know what they would loose, its the imams trying to promote it on the back of the illegal war in Afgan/iraq and the 'its cos we is muslim' stand they pull on that |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 08:23 AM Post #85 |
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Islam is an ideology that originated from the pit by its father, satan.. islam and Christianity can never be aligned. Oil and water will never mix. If you agree with paedophilia, wife beating and stoning to death, go live with your friends in Saudi. Islam should be banned in the UK and then those animals will leave of their own accord. |
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| Idjut Bungmewonga | Apr 15 2010, 08:35 AM Post #86 |
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Where I used to live I trained in kung fu with a largely Chinese class, and used to eat out with them in Chinatown - perfectly good lads & lasses (and very pretty girls I might add !), brilliant martial arts aswell, they don't think they're a special case or try to inflict religion on other people either. |
| Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.... | |
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| studio | Apr 15 2010, 08:35 AM Post #87 |
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In reply to Dizzy999![]() CAN YOU READ THAT? does not say all Islam, or has the EDL just turned 'racist'.... Edited by studio, Apr 15 2010, 08:36 AM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 09:29 AM Post #88 |
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@studio,please read the disclaimer on top of the page.all that's posted on the forums isn't automatically the endorsed views of EDL. As long as this country allows islamists to have sharia courts,mosques,oversea imans,suicide bombers,radical hate preachers,arranged marriage,no go areas .we as a nation has a problem. Let's solve the problem.islam has no place in the uk,never has and must be stopped. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 11:42 AM Post #89 |
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Being hardworking and respectful IS integrating ffs! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 11:42 AM Post #90 |
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And a lot of short sighted people on here merely spouting what the far left would love to hear. Wake up. “One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.” – Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN "There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. we don't need terrorists, we don't need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades." – Muammar Gaddafi, Dictator of Libya "“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.” – Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of Iran ""Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world." – Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran “The whole of Europe will become Islamic. Like the army of the sultan we will conquer Rome.” − Former Turkish Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan, June 2002 “We must be very realistic and positive. What needs to be done? What we need is for the 30 million Muslims in Europe to infiltrate (society) and to show European and Western societies how respectable and successful they are. Those are the key words: "I am respectable and successful." If the 30 million Muslims manage to ignore these provocations, and to channel their anger in support of the Prophet Muhammad and of Islam, into becoming walking propaganda machines. Each person should say "I am an ambassador for Islam," and they should all take action throughout Europe − in the companies where they work, in sports clubs, and in any place where they can mingle and fit in with the Europeans, and where they can show them their moral values and their success. That will abolish the plan, and the muslims will remain in Europe. We really need ten years for the muslims in Europe to become firmly established and very successful.” - Amr Khaled (a muslim preacher) describing the takeover of Europe by muslims on Egyptian television in 2007. We also have a Muslim MP at the Labour party, Shahid Malik, who is calling for more Muslim MP's and eventually a Muslim Prime Minister. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 11:47 AM Post #91 |
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Exactly. That's why I would be most interested to hear what this alleged Muslim and non-Muslim have to say on the matter. Hopefully they will agree to contact me via PM ?? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 11:59 AM Post #92 |
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Have you ever asked them what their thoughts are on the age of Aisha when Muhammad consummated her? In particular, her having to wash the semen stains from his tunic before prayers? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 12:14 PM Post #93 |
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True multi-culturalism would entail any immigrants being dispersed throughout the UK, in an even manner. This should be the same for Muslim migrants as a result. Instead we see mass ghettoisation of our inner cities and traditional British culture being ethnically cleansed from our major cities by the creation of divisive immigrant ghettos (inc Islamic ones). All immigrants should be placed in an even manner otherwise multiculuralism is defunct in the true sense of the word, to help Muslims integrate they should be encouraged to branch out and move to places such as Tunbridge Wells etc |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 03:43 PM Post #94 |
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Studio said "Most understand shar'ia very well - only met one who said he wanted it. He got told to f**k off to Afgan by another ypoung lad. Radicals are happening, but its not the major problem at the moment. The 3gen know what they would loose, its the imams trying to promote it on the back of the illegal war in Afgan/iraq and the 'its cos we is muslim' stand they pull on that" It doesn't matter what your partial view of the world tells you, or my partial view of the world tells me. I'm sick to the back teeth of people trumpeting their own personal experience as some sort of proof of anything other than the tiniest sliver of one section of one town at one point. The younger generation are far more radical than their parents' generation (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6309983.stm) 13% supporting Al Qaeda as opposed to 3% 36% of the younger generation think apostates should be executed. 63% don't believe in free speech The Pew study also found similar worrying trends. This study found total intolerance of UK muslims towards homosexuality: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality. A similar study found 65% of the general population were tolerant of homosexuality. They are poles apart on this issue. Muslims are supposed to be 3% of the population, yet they are 12% of the prison population. How's that for integration? I can trumpet my personal experience. I've seen gangs of them going round with claw hammers. I've heard them many times refer to "my people", when a white person would be accused of being a racist for saying something like that. They tell me they don't bother going through official channels to get things done, but just find a relative who can pull strings for them. I see them spitting on the street all the time (no wonder we have a massive resurgence of TB in muslim-dominated parts of England). The number of burka-clad women has risen massively. Old white people have been driven out of community centres, and get spat at by the muslims when they tried to go in them. Muslims have told me I wouldn't believe the hateful things being said by muslims about non-muslims. Despite playing the race card, they are manifestly racist to non-white friends of mine. There are people on my street who've been here claiming benefits for 30 years, and don't speak a word of English. Most of the gay bars in east london have closed down as musilms have spread eastwards. The number of homophobic attacks in some of those boroughs have gone up by almost 200% per year. I've had friends queer-bashed by gangs of muslims. Muslims born here are far more likely to go back to Pakistan or Bangladesh to bring in a spouse than other descendents of immigrants (something like 60% of muslims, compared to 30% of hindus). And the problem is not just here. It's in France. It's in the Netherlands. It's in Denmark, Sweden and Italy. Until I meet you at a demo, you are a muslim as far as I'm concerned. You do nothing but play down the problem, yet claim to support EDL. You claim you know lots of moderate muslims, yet survey after survey shows that your experience cannot be representative. When is it going to hit home with you that your view of the world is not borne out by surveys? Remind us again, has anyone on this forum or on the facebook group ever met you? If you really think that muslims are so well-integrated, and so few support sharia, why are you even on this forum? Surely you think that EDL is so massively mistaken, you wouldn't be wasting your time? Why don't just come out and admit you are a muslim? Why the deception? Do you think your work will be easier if we think you are not a muslim? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 03:57 PM Post #95 |
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OK that off my chest, here's what needs to be done (in no particular order). Stop all immigration from muslim countries until the integration problem is sorted. The government to appoint all imams in mosques, from native-born britons. No exemptions for religious texts for incitement to hatred. Replace the head of religious programming at the BBC with an atheist. Deportation for all the immediate family (parents, siblings, children) of anyone convicted of terrorism. Stop all benefits for someone who doesn't speak fluent english. No special treatment for polygamous families. Ban all genital mutilation (male and female circumcision). Ban halal as a form of animal cruelty. Ban all face-covering in public. Ban all foreign financing of islamic propagation in the UK. Teach all about the muslim involvement in the black african slave trade. Teach all about the muslim involvement in the white slave trade. Teach the truth about islam and its history of slaughter, rape and pillage. Encourage muslims to leave islam. Appeasement hasn't worked. They've become more radical and less integrated. Time for a new approach. |
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| kaimana1 | Apr 15 2010, 04:31 PM Post #96 |
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H.S SPOT ON!! Great list. however ,this one "Replace the head of religious programming at the BBC with an atheist." LOL might have problems some atheists are just as biased and militant as those far right wing christians. your point is understood but perhaps an agnostic wouldbe a better choice! What do you think? |
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| whiteguy | Apr 15 2010, 04:38 PM Post #97 |
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stopping immigration from muslim countries wont do anything guys, you will still get your thousands upon thousands of illegal somalians and afghans coming, plus the birthrate with muslims, is what 8* greater than us? i think this country in most places is in complete dia straights, waiting to be taken over, you will get white and black flight... with immigrants coming in and taking over, happening everywhere. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 04:43 PM Post #98 |
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The most sensible statement of this whole thread! This should also be backed up with a proper safe haven for all apostates. Good to see your back posting again HS
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2010, 04:47 PM Post #99 |
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Or a Malsian?
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| kaimana1 | Apr 15 2010, 04:48 PM Post #100 |
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Thats right peter if H.S list was followed, i sincerely believe many good muslims would become murtads in a heartbeat and would realize the horrers of what sharia law would bring. |
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might have problems some atheists are just as biased and militant as those far right wing christians. your point is understood but perhaps an agnostic wouldbe a better choice!
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