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How would you help Muslims intergrate?
Topic Started: Apr 14 2010, 06:43 PM (2,281 Views)
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As a sympithier to the larger muslim population who are well intergrated into our society and dont ask for the world to be rearranged for them, What can be done to help muslims intergrate in western civlisation? What would be your top 5 policies in order to help them intergrate in Britain?

1. All UK laws should be a blanket for ALL citizens living here regardless of creed, colour, religoin and culture and will not be changed in order to suit anybody.

2. All UK mosques and Islamic centers MUST fly the Union jack aswell as the flag of Islam

3. Burkas will be banned in public buildings (just like balaclavas are).

4. Money from other govenments/groups and Islamic charities cannot be accepted in the funcing of Mosques and other islamic centers unless the oranisation in question isnt seen to be 'extreme'.

5. Some Islamic traditions will be banned from public/domestic practices if it is seen to discriminate or threaten intergration.
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They don't want any of that, they want everything how they want it to be.
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Apr 14 2010, 06:43 PM
1. All UK laws should be a blanket for ALL citizens living here regardless of creed, colour, religoin and culture and will not be changed in order to suit anybody.

2. All UK mosques and Islamic centers MUST be destroyed.

3. Burkas will be banned everywhere.

4. Money from other govenments/groups and Islamic charities should go to helping our soldiers or the elderly

5. All Islamic traditions will be banned from public/domestic practices if it is seen to discriminate or threaten intergration.
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Those policies are very reasonable, Spireite, but it shows what hard-liners some of these people can be by not even budging an inch.

Do people in the UK still shit their pants about the Union Jack?

I passed my local garage today. Exxon (Esso) run by a Muslim guy with a couple of Pakistani mechanics and two more, an African American and a Guatemalan.

They proudly fly the Stars and Stripes out front.
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1. All UK laws should be a blanket for ALL citizens living here regardless of creed, colour, religoin and culture and will not be changed in order to suit anybody.

Law should also not discriminate against members of the population..

2. All UK mosques and Islamic centers MUST fly the Union jack aswell as the flag of Islam

I have long urged the locals to ask for the St Georges to be flown, for too long have racists flown it as a symbol of white power - wankers

3. Burkas will be banned in public buildings (just like balaclavas are).

I havent got a problem with the niqab or the burka AS LONG AS THE PERSON WEARING IT DOES SO FROM PERSONAL CHOICE AND NOT BY THE FORCE OF HER FAMILY OR HUSBAND.

4. Money from other govenments/groups and Islamic charities cannot be accepted in the funcing of Mosques and other islamic centers unless the oranisation in question isnt seen to be 'extreme'.

Public funding should not be for any religious enterprise

5. Some Islamic traditions will be banned from public/domestic practices if it is seen to discriminate or threaten intergration.

Example? (suicide bombing excepted)
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Apr 14 2010, 06:53 PM
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Apr 14 2010, 06:43 PM
1. All UK laws should be a blanket for ALL citizens living here regardless of creed, colour, religoin and culture and will not be changed in order to suit anybody.

2. All UK mosques and Islamic centers MUST be destroyed.

3. Burkas will be banned everywhere.

4. Money from other govenments/groups and Islamic charities should go to helping our soldiers or the elderly

5. All Islamic traditions will be banned from public/domestic practices if it is seen to discriminate or threaten intergration.
Corrected it for you.
''All UK mosques and Islamic centers MUST be destroyed'' :D :D I like you anxeity
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simple

rule one

ABIDE BY ALL LAWS OF THIS UNITED KINGDOM OR LEAVE THIS LAND

need i say more
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If people want to integrate there is every encouragement (money no object)

for them to do so, if they aren't integrating it's because they have no intention of integrating.

I don't see how making more laws, money or stipulations will change a mind set.
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1. Outsource prisons

2. Make Islam illegal and imprison practitioners

3. Cancel citizenship for immigrants in prisons outside of UK

Alternatively outsource immigration, to perhaps pakistan or the the south pole! (we don't want them on the North pole)

;)

Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil – Thomas Mann

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil.... is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke

All political parties must be held responsible, and that takes a strong grassroot movement! - Tim Phillips
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integrate... there here to take over mate lol
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they have no intention of integrating
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The Elders have always shied away from integration. Keep a low profile and get on with making money. The younger ones are coming out of their shells a bit, but we need more education. Not indoctrination into their religion, but rather how they see it within the UK.

Not all Muslims are extremists, or anywhere near. The Qur'an has a lot of dodgy bits, but they do not all follow them the same way. But calls like the one above to destroy mosques is not something I can live with... its not the British way of doing things. My dad would spin in his grave at that one:(
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Personally I'd help Muslims (of any colour) integrate by chartering flights to take them to whichever Islamic country they deem to be better than our country.

Then they would never have to agitate or be offended again...............They would have everything they are always asking for, at hand.
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Apr 14 2010, 07:54 PM
Personally I'd help Muslims (of any colour) integrate by chartering flights to take them to whichever Islamic country they deem to be better than our country.

Then they would never have to agitate or be offended again...............They would have everything they are always asking for, at hand.
Couldn't agree more
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How would you help Muslims intergrate?

It's up to them more than is us.
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abolish islam would be a good one
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dont think they want to intergrate they just want our N H S and D S S, to make there lives easyer. they are f**kin up our country slowly and our M Ps are helping them do it..Elections!!! thets a feckin joke.... its going to be a hung parliment anyway...
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Apr 14 2010, 06:43 PM
2. All UK mosques and Islamic centers MUST fly the Union jack aswell as the flag of Islam
Which one, the black one or the white one?
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Most of them fly the Pakistani flag round here if anything, ;)
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Apr 14 2010, 08:52 PM
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Apr 14 2010, 06:43 PM
2. All UK mosques and Islamic centers MUST fly the Union jack aswell as the flag of Islam
Which one, the black one or the white one?
I only know of the black one and the green one but I didn't think there was difference.
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studio
Apr 14 2010, 07:16 PM
The Elders have always shied away from integration. Keep a low profile and get on with making money. The younger ones are coming out of their shells a bit, but we need more education. Not indoctrination into their religion, but rather how they see it within the UK.

Not all Muslims are extremists, or anywhere near. The Qur'an has a lot of dodgy bits, but they do not all follow them the same way. But calls like the one above to destroy mosques is not something I can live with... its not the British way of doing things. My dad would spin in his grave at that one:(

Fair comment mate. Can't tar them all under the brush. Were anti-jihadist not anti-Muslim!
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Apr 14 2010, 07:16 PM
My dad would spin in his grave at that one:(
if they have their way m8 he wont be spinning they will be bulldozing him.
its what they do. nice sensitive caring islam
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Maybe London, but I aint going out killing anybody just because murderers are about. I wont stoop to their levels, my head will be held high on my day of judgement...
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Apr 14 2010, 07:54 PM
Personally I'd help Muslims (of any colour) integrate by chartering flights to take them to whichever Islamic country they deem to be better than our country.

Then they would never have to agitate or be offended again...............They would have everything they are always asking for, at hand.
Darn it, that was exactly what I was going to say.

I could not agree more.

I would give them all a map of Great Briton showing only Sea ports and Air Ports and a packed lunch.

I just hate what is going on with this lot. I used to be totally non racist and I claim still am, but now i,m against anyone or thing to do with Islam.

If i,m judged as being racist, tough titty.

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three simple things speak english accept our laws and our culture
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SpireiteEDL
Apr 14 2010, 09:24 PM
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Apr 14 2010, 08:52 PM
SpireiteEDL
Apr 14 2010, 06:43 PM
2. All UK mosques and Islamic centers MUST fly the Union jack aswell as the flag of Islam
Which one, the black one or the white one?
I only know of the black one and the green one but I didn't think there was difference.
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Muhammad said: "If you see the black flags coming from Khurasan, join that army, even if you have to crawl over ice, for that is the army of the Imam al-Mahdi and no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem."

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On Muslim forums you quite often see them admonishing each other for "imitating the kuffar". Kuffar (singular, kaffir) means a non-Muslim, or unbeliever. This command, "do not imitate the kuffar" is a religous command. In other words, Islam demands that a Muslim does not imitate the non-Muslims. Thus they are not allowed to integrate. If they do integrate, well good for them, but they're not very religious. The command to not imitate or align with the kuffar can be found in the first chapter of the koran, is in a prayer that is to be said 5 times a day, and in many other places throughout the koran.

An interesting point here is that they do actually imitate us all the time, which points to what I believe to be one of the better weapons against the spread of extreme islam (the best being moderate muslims), our culture. Muslims come to the UK and lap up our culture, favouring fast cars and fast food and gansta music and materialism. Okey, so they're not exactly picking up the finer side of our culture, but even the crass side of our culture is enough to slip them into the pursuit of dunya (material wealth) and therefore into the mainstream. There are many laments on Muslim forums about their ummah (community) falling away from Islam into the trap of dunya, so as far as I'm concerned long may it continue.
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Most do, well to the same level as the chavs up the road anyway. But thats allowing entry or residence but not promoting integration...

its an answer to running by the way
Edited by studio, Apr 14 2010, 09:59 PM.
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I dont think its possible for muslims to intergrate they havent done it with anyone else throughout history why would they change now?
Anyone thats come here seekeng refuge should at least accept the principles of the host nation.


islam is not a religion! why people should appease it when it seeks to destroy us is f**kin beyond me :P
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I wouldn't. ^o)

In fact I will go so far as to say that I wouldn't give them the steam off my piss!
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One way ticket to Saudi Arabia
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Intergrateee? Send the buggers back!!!
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ENOUGH!! Back where? Theres been a muslim presence in Britain since 1656 ish!!! Starting to turn anti Muslim not just militant islam
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Apr 14 2010, 10:11 PM
One way ticket to Saudi Arabia
to right
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Apr 14 2010, 09:56 PM
Most do, well to the same level as the chavs up the road anyway. But thats allowing entry or residence but not promoting integration...

its an answer to running by the way
fella i live in essex all the chavs are white :D the thing is boils down to accepting english/british culture over everything else and it is that imo that is the problem islam as it has been said time and time again will not intergate or it is agenst the koran to do so by not speaking english and keeping segrated plays into the hands of the extremists
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studio
Apr 14 2010, 10:15 PM
ENOUGH!! Back where? Theres been a muslim presence in Britain since 1656 ish!!! Starting to turn anti Muslim not just militant islam
I dont care Middle East somewhere.
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studio
Apr 14 2010, 10:15 PM
ENOUGH!! Back where? Theres been a muslim presence in Britain since 1656 ish!!! Starting to turn anti Muslim not just militant islam
You can see how the muslim presence has helped us.
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anxiety its another one :)
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WE can't do anymore than we have done.

It's up to them.
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Apr 14 2010, 10:31 PM
anxiety its another one :)
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Apr 14 2010, 10:33 PM
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Apr 14 2010, 10:31 PM
anxiety its another one :)
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Apr 14 2010, 10:15 PM
ENOUGH!! Back where? Theres been a muslim presence in Britain since 1656 ish!!! Starting to turn anti Muslim not just militant islam
I'm on your side. People seem to think ALL Muslims are
just like the ones we here about on here. Some people on here have skocking views. Just think about what your saying...
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Apr 14 2010, 10:11 PM
One way ticket to Saudi Arabia
I'm with you
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Do you think they would fly with British Airways?
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If people want to integrate they will.

I know muslims as well as others who have and have done so extremely succesfully.

There are those who simply won't. Society should not bend for them. They should be made to feel uncomfortable. If any of their cultural practices contranvene our laws or values they can be shown the door.
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Lord Nelson
Apr 14 2010, 11:01 PM
I know muslims as well as others who have and have done so extremely succesfully.
What do you mean by "extremely succesfully", would they for example allow a kafir to marry their Sister without converting?
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Apr 14 2010, 10:56 PM
studio
Apr 14 2010, 10:15 PM
ENOUGH!! Back where? Theres been a muslim presence in Britain since 1656 ish!!! Starting to turn anti Muslim not just militant islam
I'm on your side. People seem to think ALL Muslims are
just like the ones we here about on here. Some people on here have skocking views. Just think about what your saying...
Do you like seeing endless streams of muslims walking our British streets?
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peterpedant
Apr 14 2010, 11:18 PM
Lord Nelson
Apr 14 2010, 11:01 PM
I know muslims as well as others who have and have done so extremely succesfully.
What do you mean by "extremely succesfully", would they for example allow a kafir to marry their Sister without converting?
Funny you should ask!

Yes!

They already have!
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Make it illegal to marry another muslim from outside this country, no bringing in wife's or husbands in.
1 land 1 law
Higher taxes for muslim men
English born imams
Converting to islam illigal
The truth taught in schools
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Apr 14 2010, 11:27 PM
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Apr 14 2010, 11:18 PM
Lord Nelson
Apr 14 2010, 11:01 PM
I know muslims as well as others who have and have done so extremely succesfully.
What do you mean by "extremely succesfully", would they for example allow a kafir to marry their Sister without converting?
Funny you should ask!

Yes!

They already have!
What you know a none muslim man married to a muslim woman, and rich people dont count.
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