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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 13 2010, 10:07 PM (184 Views) | |
| nemisis123456 | Apr 13 2010, 10:07 PM Post #1 |
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Not for the feint hearted! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 13 2010, 10:13 PM Post #2 |
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no thanks
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| Disenfranchised Briton | Apr 13 2010, 10:15 PM Post #3 |
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A pretty clear cut reason for stunning before slaughter isn't it. I think that video obliterates any argument in favour of not stunning. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 13 2010, 10:33 PM Post #4 |
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i feel sick |
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| Disenfranchised Briton | Apr 13 2010, 10:37 PM Post #5 |
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Why? The only difference in the process is that the animal is not stunned in Halal slaughter, the throat is still cut and the animal is bled. Those slaughtermen seemed pretty efficient and skilled to me. However at the beginning of the video the animal is stunned and its out for the count, zero suffering follows. The islamic argument against stunning is that sometimes the stunning process kills the animal and so it doesn't bleed out properly because the heart is not beating. Surely the answer would just be to hang the cuts longer but that doesn't do it for our islamic counterparts. Mohammed didn't have a stun gun so they don't want one, then again he did not have a BMW, mobile phone, internet access etc etc and they seems perfectly happy using all that depraved western culture...... |
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| nemisis123456 | Apr 13 2010, 10:37 PM Post #6 |
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Edited cuz im a numpty
Edited by nemisis123456, Apr 13 2010, 10:39 PM.
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| Disenfranchised Briton | Apr 13 2010, 10:39 PM Post #7 |
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edited because nemisis is a numpty
Edited by Disenfranchised Briton, Apr 13 2010, 10:40 PM.
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| nemisis123456 | Apr 13 2010, 10:44 PM Post #8 |
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Yep im a numpty i can confirm! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 13 2010, 10:44 PM Post #9 |
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There's no way I can watch an animal being put through such atrocity, i will honestly cry. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 13 2010, 10:46 PM Post #10 |
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Agree, I really cant watch it. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 13 2010, 10:46 PM Post #11 |
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You can still see the animal moving while it is bleeding.
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| Disenfranchised Briton | Apr 13 2010, 10:49 PM Post #12 |
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If I couldn't watch it then I would not eat meat. I feel that I have a responsibility to see what happens before it lands on my plate. Non halal is no less unpleasant to watch but a great deal more unpleasant for the animal. |
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| WakeupEngland | Apr 13 2010, 10:49 PM Post #13 |
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Have to say this is a topic I know little about. I had the misfortune to have a temporary job as an offal packer in an abattoir in West Brom many years ago and while it was not Halal I still found the place pretty depressing. Is there supposed to be any difference in taste between Halal and non-Halal meat ? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 13 2010, 10:53 PM Post #14 |
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That has made me cry, I'm now going to bed and will never ever eat anywhere that has halal meat, it is evi, sadistic and the people that do it should have it done to them |
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| Deleted User | Apr 13 2010, 11:01 PM Post #15 |
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Why? because of the suffering? Actuality what sort of c**t could spend his day cutting a cows head off with a knife every five mins ? I would eat s**t out of dustbins and sleep under a tree before I inflicted that on an animal. EDIT: Perhaps I should have said cutting a conscious cows head off |
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| Disenfranchised Briton | Apr 13 2010, 11:12 PM Post #16 |
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Are you OK with it if the animal is unconscious? It is still pretty dificult to watch for a lot of people. I'm assuming that you do know that the only difference between halal slaughter and non halal slaughter is that the animal is conscious in halal. The throat slicing etc are all identical. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 13 2010, 11:13 PM Post #17 |
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I haven't and won't watch it. This is why I'm veggie. |
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| Disenfranchised Briton | Apr 13 2010, 11:14 PM Post #18 |
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Some will argue that there is but I can't see how it is any different. Perhaps when the animal is conscious and terrified its heart beats harder and it bleeds out more completely. However I doubt anyone could tell the difference and if the cut is hung properly and for long enough the meat changes anyway and it becomes far tastier. There is simply no reason to have the animal conscious when it is killed. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 13 2010, 11:21 PM Post #19 |
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Am I ok if the animal is unconscious? I wouldn't say the thought of animals dying makes me happy, so for it to be done with the minimum pain and suffering is important. If a horse got injured and had to be put down on a racetrack there would be fooking uproar if they just pounded its head in with a lump hammer. |
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| Disenfranchised Briton | Apr 13 2010, 11:26 PM Post #20 |
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I agree with you, hence I see no reason why halal should be allowed to continue. It is unnecessary and cruel. It has no scientific reason and causes suffering that can be avoided. However all animals are killed in this fashion now, they used to have a bolt through the brain but then we had fears about mad cow, contaminated brain and spinal tissue etc. Throat slicing is the norm but stunning ought to be mandatory. |
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| stephen1 | Apr 14 2010, 12:10 AM Post #21 |
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it's just barbaric opening up a live animal without being stunned in other parts of the world that i've seen them perform this way of slaughter the animal is rolling around in it's own s**t and isn't even hung up so the purpose is lost look there all f**king scumbags had enough trying to look for any good within this f**ked up ideology my soul purpose is to wake up the rest of our country to this and much more |
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| ramblingrebel | Apr 14 2010, 12:14 AM Post #22 |
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I seen it done the halhal way with my own eyes when I was travelling in a Muzzie country. I'll be honest with you, they treated the cow with sincere respect, and it was all very solemn. I didn't have any problem with it at all to be honest. I watched a documentary about animal slaughter a few years back and our lads were using the sheeps head for a kickabout, no respect whatsoever for the animal. As for the stunning of the animal, the animal is still conscious and feeling, it's just that the motor reflexes are paralysed...don't be fooled by the "it's humane for the animal" bollocks. The only reason this is done is to make it safer for the slaugtermen, and saves a lot of brass for the NHS, and less compo claims! As for difference in taste. To me the halhal was better, but that is only coz we were getting stuck in to it as soon as it was cut down from the tree. Bought halhal from the butchers and exactly same as normal meat tastewise. |
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| human target | Apr 14 2010, 12:29 AM Post #23 |
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a) why don't they completely decapitate the animal? b) where the hell is the imam saying prayers? this reminds me of a house episode where a man was in pain and screaming constantly and they gave him drugs, not to put him to sleep, but to stop him screaming. A stunned animal is still alive i'm just wondering if it makes it more palatable that its not mooing or baaing and trashing about |
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| ramblingrebel | Apr 14 2010, 12:37 AM Post #24 |
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It's the fella with the knife that says the allah akbar thing. Don't have to be an Imam. From what I'm told every muzzie fella is taught how to do it when they are young. Dunno if this is true or not though. |
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| human target | Apr 14 2010, 12:54 AM Post #25 |
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i wonder if they could be done due to religious discrimination? I can't imagine they'd allow many christian/ hindu workers to work in their abattoir ? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 12:59 AM Post #26 |
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So you saw two examples and decided to base your whole argument in favour of Halal? Would you change your position if I showed you an example of muslims disrespecting a dead animal? What about two? |
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| ramblingrebel | Apr 14 2010, 01:44 AM Post #27 |
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These were the two examples I chose to illustrate my point. I have seen with my own eyes many times, through videos, and spoken with people I have known who are/have been slaughtermen, and I stand by my point of view that the majority of ritual killings (of animals), that I have witnessed have been done with taste and respect. I wasn't aware that I was saying I am more favorable towards Halal, just that I prefer the taste of fresh meat (as is what I mostly ate in muzzie countries), compared to prepacked s**te we get down morissons. I couldn't give a monkey's if its halal, kosher or stunned to be honest, but I won't be caught up in the whole "muzzies r scumbags coz they r tight to animals" bollox. Why is no-one moaning about Kosher foods? There is an extreme problem with radical Islam, and I applaud everyone here for taking a stand, but to me the whole halal argument is being used as just another stick to beat muzzies with, when there are far more important issues at stake! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 01:51 AM Post #28 |
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I think you bring up reasonable counterpoints. I'm personally against all cruelty to animals, including slaughter. But if they have to be slaughtered then the process should be operated as humanely as possible. Your point with Kosher is reasonable. But tell me where Kosher food preparations are impinging on the majorities choice in the marketplace. Simple fact is it isn't. Those who stick to Kosher food know where to get it and are happy doing so. Those who require Halal are asking those who are non-Halal to eat food under their preparatory requirements. Requirements, I may add, that are required only for the sake of a religious (I would say fake) belief system and not for the goodness and integrity of the product. Simply put, Halal food preparation serves no purpose whatsoever. |
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| ramblingrebel | Apr 14 2010, 02:05 AM Post #29 |
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If this is about KFC now only serving Halal, then yeah, I am in total agreement. People should have a choice. As for Halal food serving no purpose whatsoever. To you and I, and everyone else in this forum I would agree, but 1.3 billion muzzies would disagree. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 02:18 AM Post #30 |
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I'd say it's more than KFC too, a thread in the other forum provided a link to a Halal foodstuffs website which stated that Cadbury's products were also Halal. The food industry is trying to manipulate their customer base to include muslims while assuming that the majority of their customers are apathetic about how food is prepared. This is both presumptuous and patronising. I actually don't think it's catering to muslims for the sake of their beliefs, I think the reason is purely economical. |
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| ramblingrebel | Apr 14 2010, 03:51 AM Post #31 |
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I'm not saying it's right, I actually agree with you, but I think the majority of the population is apathetic to where their food comes from. The masses are drunk on consumerism. Perhaps they will be aware of it, but will it actually change any of their eating habits? I'd like to think so, but I wouldn't hold my breath. For the masses to wake up I think something will have to be brought to their doorsteps for them to take a stand! Especially while they are glued to the TV being brainwashed by the mainstream media. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 14 2010, 07:54 AM Post #32 |
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That's news to me, Knuckles, I didn't realise Cadbury had gone to halal too, that's another one off my list then. |
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