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This Halal meat campaign thing
Topic Started: Apr 13 2010, 10:05 PM (419 Views)
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Hello y'all,
obviously you all know I'm Priya from the Cheerleaders, and you know a lot of of us girls are Muslims. I've got to say this, I'm completely scoobied by this anti-halal campaign, what is this all about?
Up 4 a debate :D
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Apr 13 2010, 10:05 PM
Hello y'all,
obviously you all know I'm Priya from the Cheerleaders, and you know a lot of of us girls are Muslims. I've got to say this, I'm completely scoobied by this anti-halal campaign, what is this all about?
Up 4 a debate :D
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Well from my perspective I'm against it on animal cruelty. I've researched it quite in depth on behalf of the EDL and contacted the Farm Animal Welfare Commission and read their Religious Slaughter reports on red and white meat and I'm disgusted by what I read. It's cruel and inhumane, they found that in many instances the knives used were not sharp, the cuts were not done properly so the animals suffered immensely, they even gave two instances of cows drowning in their own blood and the bloke putting his hand in to the cut to scoop the blood out, sorry but I don't condone that and agree with them that the exemption should be removed.

Also on another front our freedom of choice in this country is being taken away from us because the franchises that are holding the trial have had to remove some pork/bacon products from their range because of the halal implications. This is England and we have our preferences and they should remain in this country, if any of us went to reside in a Muslim country they would not provide meat killed to our liking so why should it be provided here for a minority group.

It is not even a requirement in a non-Muslim country see quote below

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada stated ‘The question of meat slaughtered by the People of the Book has been a controversial issue among Muslim scholars. The vast majority of scholars from all of the four schools consider it permissible for us. They base this on the clear statement of the Qur'an: "Today, I have permitted for you all good things, and the food of the People of the Book is permissible for you, and your food is permissible for them." (Al-Ma’idah: 5).
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Princess Calamity
Apr 13 2010, 10:05 PM
Hello y'all,
obviously you all know I'm Priya from the Cheerleaders, and you know a lot of of us girls are Muslims. I've got to say this, I'm completely scoobied by this anti-halal campaign, what is this all about?
Up 4 a debate :D
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I have absolutely no idea who or what you are. Why would I know you? Did you win a nobel peace prize or something?

As for halal meat ... have a watch of this http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/single/?p=963900&t=3191458 and then explain why the animal needs to take so long to die and be conscious throughout when the stunning process is instant and ensures no suffering.

The debate is really for you to explain WHY the animal must endure more suffering than necessary to slaughter it. Go ahead princess explain it....
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Apr 13 2010, 10:26 PM
Princess Calamity
Apr 13 2010, 10:05 PM
Hello y'all,
obviously you all know I'm Priya from the Cheerleaders, and you know a lot of of us girls are Muslims. I've got to say this, I'm completely scoobied by this anti-halal campaign, what is this all about?
Up 4 a debate :D
xx
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I have absolutely no idea who or what you are. Why would I know you? Did you win a nobel peace prize or something?

As for halal meat ... have a watch of this http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/single/?p=963900&t=3191458 and then explain why the animal needs to take so long to die and be conscious throughout when the stunning process is instant and ensures no suffering.

The debate is really for you to explain WHY the animal must endure more suffering than necessary to slaughter it. Go ahead princess explain it....
I didn't like to say I didn't have a clue who she was, lol
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Meet your Meat, the Barbarity of Halal Slaugter

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Priya from the cheerleaders?

Am I missing something?
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omg! Not The Cheerleaders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's Lisa. Not Leeeeeza
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Apr 13 2010, 10:43 PM
I didn't like to say I didn't have a clue who she was, lol
I've no idea who the cheerleader girls are or who she is. I've no idea why she thinks I would know. I wonder if the taliban approve of her cheerleading and talking to kuffar men?
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This might help explain things about the princess anxiety.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=35673288170&ref=ts
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Apr 13 2010, 10:49 PM
Priya from the cheerleaders?<br /><br />Am I missing something?
I thought a Priya was a Toyota, some sort of hybrid low energy thing.
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Well he/she ain't here no more!
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Apr 13 2010, 10:52 PM
This might help explain things about the princess anxiety.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=35673288170&ref=ts
And there was me thinking Ali G was a parody.......
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Where's the pictures of these cheerleaders?
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I know of you if that helps?

Anyway the point of this is simple. People are not educated in halal slaughter, now the vid can be viewed as distasteful but its just a reality. People have a choice, if Muslims want to eat halal (as long as the animal is stunned properly first to minimise the suffering) i can just about tolerate that. However when halal slaughtered meats are FORCED on unaware joe public (lets take KFC for an example) and replace non halal slaughtered meats while removing pork products then i take serious issue with that. Ok be a Muslim if you want, i dont have any right telling you to leave your faith even if i hate it, belief is a personal choice. But ones personal beliefs should never infringe on someone elses right to freedom from religion and ritual slaughter.

Thats the point.
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It's also the arrogant assumption that people who do not require their food to be Halal are be willing to consume Halal produced goods.
How dare a minority of consumers dictate how the majority consume.

I've heard of y'all too. Not sure where you're coming from though. The facebook page is a tad vague - and I did read the blurb on the left!
If you're willing to break from the strict traditions of Islam and to express yourselves as women either as a group or individually, I have to support that.
A bit more info, though?
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Apr 13 2010, 10:58 PM
It's also the arrogant assumption that people who do not require their food to be Halal are be willing to consume Halal produced goods.
How dare a minority of consumers dictate how the majority consume.
Short, sweet and bang on the money!
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I am with Nemesis on this. Having lived and worked on farms for many years of my life I can tell you that no slaughter of an animal is a pretty sight. The problem with Halal for me is mainly that it is in places being enforced on us in what is supposed to be a christian country. A democratic country. When major chains like KFC begin to sway in favour of the muslim population and fail to give us any other choice than Halal then I get seriously pissed off.
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The point is that Halal requires the animal to be fully conscious. I don't give a flying if some BS tape is playing in the background or someone whispers a verse of Jerusalem to the flying spaghetti monster whilst it is dying. If that was the only difference I would not mind. But it is not the only difference.
My issue with halal is primarily the fact that the animal is conscious while it bleeds to death and as the video shows it isn't enjoying itself.
My secondary issue is that muslims assume that their rights are more important than mine, they can't possibly consume non tortured meat products but it doesn't matter if I eat tortured meat products.
Thirdly I see halal as a way of controlling and taking over an industry and changing my countyr into one that is more islamic. I don't like islam. I think mohammed was a war mongering, violent and evil man. He did not set an example that I want to follow in my life and I don't want my children fed halal meat at school to appease followers of this evil tyrant.
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To slaughter animals in such a fashion is cruel and it's Barbaric. Why choose such a way to kill when anybody with any sensitivity what so ever will realise that the animal suffers greatly on it's way out of this world. As if the fear of it's obvious fate is not enough, it is killed in a manner that takes time and inflicts pain. It's spinal cord is left intact so it suffers all the pains associated with having its throat cut and bleeding to death. From what i hear if it is stunned then it's not true Halal.
Also, isn't halal all about practicing for when the time comes to slice some necks in warfare? To de-sensitize Submissions(islams) warriors for when the time comes to cull a few Infidels?

p.s. Do the Cheerleaders mind if we all see your Pom Poms? If your real Cheerleaders then you must have some Pom Poms?

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Just watched that video on here and i'm fu*cking furious. How can this be condoned? It's sickening to think that our civilisation has moved on enough to kill our animals and at least stop the animal from suffering needlessly, only to allow barbarians to introduce and then DEMAND this vile practice!
Come on in and debate this sh*t. Let's hear you condone this sadistic practice!
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The point is that Halal requires the animal to be fully conscious. I don't give a flying if some BS tape is playing in the background or someone whispers a verse of Jerusalem to the flying spaghetti monster whilst it is dying. If that was the only difference I would not mind. But it is not the only difference.
My issue with halal is primarily the fact that the animal is conscious while it bleeds to death and as the video shows it isn't enjoying itself.
My secondary issue is that muslims assume that their rights are more important than mine, they can't possibly consume non tortured meat products but it doesn't matter if I eat tortured meat products.
Thirdly I see halal as a way of controlling and taking over an industry and changing my countyr into one that is more islamic. I don't like islam. I think mohammed was a war mongering, violent and evil man. He did not set an example that I want to follow in my life and I don't want my children fed halal meat at school to appease followers of this evil tyrant.
Agree with you totally on that. Let's not forget that Halal meat is part of their Sharia Law, might only be a small part of it but it is part of it nonetheless and EDL are opposed to Sharia Law.
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She's been here a long time, look at her number, 32, joined aug 9th.
Anyone ever heard of her before?
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Yeah, but the OP was a little presumptuous. I wish she'd have given a bit more blurb about her and her group.
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I do applaud groups such as hers for confronting Islamist scumbags let's not forget that! That said we are an incredibly diverse group of people so we won't agree on everything.
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Well I must say, this Priya from the Cheerleaders is a phenomenal debater. She always has so much to say with some really good counter-arguments. Thanks for that. I always learn so much when you are here Priya :)
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Apr 13 2010, 10:55 PM
However when halal slaughtered meats are FORCED on unaware joe public (lets take KFC for an example) and replace non halal slaughtered meats while removing pork products then i take serious issue with that.
introducing halal into schools is another example

on top of that, people simply don't seem to know anything about it - they just assume it's 'like kosher'
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These halal slaughtered animals have to have a slow death by definition, the heart of the

animal has to beat to pump the blood out, a quick death would stop the beast's heart and the

blood loss wouldn't be sufficient. The object is to make the animal lose as much blood as possible.
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Apr 13 2010, 10:55 PM
However when halal slaughtered meats are FORCED on unaware joe public (lets take KFC for an example) and replace non halal slaughtered meats while removing pork products then i take serious issue with that.
introducing halal into schools is another example

on top of that, people simply don't seem to know anything about it - they just assume it's 'like kosher'
Absolutely right, awareness is a huge problem here in the UK as not much is reported on such things, or if it is its done quietly so as to avoid "community tensions".

There are differences between kosher and halal of course but again that is down to education and the public being made aware.

Whenever the halal issues are raised or questioned you can bet your bottom dollar Islamist swine will try to drag other faith based communities into this because they percieve any questioning as an attack on their faith. Avoidance, deflection and defamation of other beliefs have always served them well in our current political climate.

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put it this way that vid link from sth london knight how on earth can anyone defend that. it was simply disgusting f**king animals people who promote that.
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I know of you if that helps?

Anyway the point of this is simple. People are not educated in halal slaughter, now the vid can be viewed as distasteful but its just a reality. People have a choice, if Muslims want to eat halal (as long as the animal is stunned properly first to minimise the suffering) i can just about tolerate that. However when halal slaughtered meats are FORCED on unaware joe public (lets take KFC for an example) and replace non halal slaughtered meats while removing pork products then i take serious issue with that. Ok be a Muslim if you want, i dont have any right telling you to leave your faith even if i hate it, belief is a personal choice. But ones personal beliefs should never infringe on someone elses right to freedom from religion and ritual slaughter.

Thats the point.
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However when halal slaughtered meats are FORCED on unaware joe public (lets take KFC for an example) and replace non halal slaughtered meats while removing pork products then i take serious issue with that.
introducing halal into schools is another example

on top of that, people simply don't seem to know anything about it - they just assume it's 'like kosher'
Absolutely right, awareness is a huge problem here in the UK as not much is reported on such things, or if it is its done quietly so as to avoid "community tensions".

There are differences between kosher and halal of course but again that is down to education and the public being made aware.

Whenever the halal issues are raised or questioned you can bet your bottom dollar Islamist swine will try to drag other faith based communities into this because they percieve any questioning as an attack on their faith. Avoidance, deflection and defamation of other beliefs have always served them well in our current political climate.

Not any more!
What is the difference between Kosher and Halal?

Genuine question.
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The Islamic dietary laws (Halal) and the Jewish dietary laws (Kashrut) are both quite detailed, and contain both points of similarity and discord. While both are dietary laws from Abrahamic religions, they have different roots: an explanation of the Islamic code of law found in the Qur'an and a Jewish code of laws found in Leviticus.

Similarities

* Swine are prohibited in kashrut and Haraam (forbidden) in Islam.
* Many animals permitted in kashrut are also Halal, such as bovines.
* Kashrut forbids and Halal generally forbids the consumption of amphibian animals, such as frogs.[citation needed]
* According to kashrut, almost all insects are not kosher. The few kosher insects are specific types of locusts and grasshoppers which are not eaten today in most communities, since it is unknown which species is permitted (the exception being the Yemenite Jews, who claim to have preserved this knowledge). It is also a consensus among Muslim scholars that all insects are forbidden except for locusts.
* Kashrut states that kosher aquatic animals must have scales and fins. Some Muslims (mostly the Shi'ites) also believe that only fish with scales and fins are Halal. But many others believe in the interpretation that suggests that all creatures from the ocean or the sea are considered Halal. However, according to Jewish oral law all fish that have scales have fins, thus making all fish with scales kosher and thus the law being essentially the same as dhabiĥa halal.
* Gelatin is only permissible if it comes from a permissible animal (usually kosher gelatin comes from the bones of kosher fish, or it is vegan).
* Cheese is permissible so long as the rennet used to make the cheese is permissible.

Differences

* For a substance to be Halal, it must not contain alcohol of any kind. The strictness of this with regard to the presence of extremely small quantities of alcohol in cooked foods depends largely on individual commitment and interpretation. Except for grape wine and grape juice (which must be manufactured under Jewish supervision), Kashrut allows the consumption of any sort of alcohol, as long as it has no non-kosher ingredients (including any unsupervised grape extracts).
* The list of animals forbidden by kashrut is more restrictive, as kashrut requires that, to be kosher, mammals must chew cud as well as have cloven hooves. Dhabiĥa halal only requires that an animal survive on grass and leaves. Thus, various animals, such as the camel, are permissible as per dhabiĥa halal, but not according to kashrut.
* Unless prepared according to a special process, the hindquarters of cows, sheep, goats, and other ruminants are not generally considered kosher.Dhabiĥa halal contains no such restriction regarding the hindquarters.[citation needed]
* Kashrut prohibits shellfish, such as lobster, shrimp, clams, and oysters. Many interpretations of halal permit the consumption of all seafood. Some interpretations, however, follow the same prohibitions on shellfish as Kashrut

Slaughter

Dhabiĥa is the method used to slaughter an animal as per Islamic tradition. Shechita is the ritual slaughter of mammals and birds according to Jewish law. Shechita requires that an animal is conscious and this is taken to mean the modern practice of electrical stunning before slaughter is forbidden. All Muslim authorities also forbid the use of electrical stunning.

Similarities

* Both shechita and dhabiĥa involve cutting across the neck of the animal with a non-serrated blade in one clean attempt in order to sever the main vessels.
* Both require that the spinal cord be avoided during slaughter.
* Both require draining the blood of the animal.
* Any adult, sane Jew who knows the proper technique may perform shechita [Maimonides' Code, Laws of Shechita 2:12]. Similarly, Dhabiĥa, can be performed by any "adult sane Muslim… by following the rules prescribed by Shariah". Some Islamic authorities, though, state that dhabiĥa can also be performed by Jews

Differences

* The actual requirements of the slaughter in terms of which vessels must be severed and which must be kept intact are different. Shechita requires that the trachea, the esophagus, and the carotid arteries and jugular veins be severed. There is no conclusive answer as to exactly which vessels are required to be severed as per dhabiĥa but according to the Islamic rules, the two big veins on both sides of the neck should be severed, but it is agreed that "most of the four veins" must be severed.
* Today, as a matter of practicality, Shechita is only performed by licensed, trained slaughterers known as shochets. (While no rule specifies the gender of a shochet, they traditionally have been male). While dhabiĥa slaughter is generally performed by an experienced individual, it is still common in certain parts of the world for families to butcher their own meats.
* Theoretically, in the unlikely event that a minor or mentally ill Jew slaughters an animal, the Shechita would be considered valid after-the-fact if the proper technique was used [Maimonides 2:12 and commentaries ad loc]. The strictness of Dhabiĥa's requirement regarding an "adult, sane" slaughterer is under debate in an identical situation because there is no primary Islamic source which addresses this specific scenario. However, this is unlikely to occur, and so does not constitute a major difference.
* Dhabiha requires that God's (see Islamic Concept of God) name be pronounced before each slaughter. Some Muslims have accorded meat to be halal but not necessarily dhabiha i.e Kosher meat is considered halal by some Muslims and so is meat slaughtered by Christians. This is according to the Hadith: "t is narrated by Al Bukhari from Aisha the Prophet Muhammad's wife, that some people came to him and said, Oh God's Prophet, some people bring us meat and we do not know if they pronounced the name of God on it or not, and he said pronounce you the name of God and eat." Dhabiha meat by definition is meat that is slaughtered in the shariah manner and the name of God is said before the slaughter. In Shechita, a blessing to God is recited before beginning an uninterrupted period of slaughtering; as long as the Shochet does not have a lengthy pause, interrupt, or otherwise lose concentration, this blessing covers all the animals slaughtered that period. This blessing follows the standard form for a blessing before most Jewish rituals ("Blesséd are you God ... who commanded us regarding [such-and-such]," in this case, Shechita). The general rule in Judaism is that for rituals which have an associated blessing, if one omitted the blessing, the ritual is still valid [see Maimonides Laws of Blessings 11:5]; as such, even if the shochet failed to recite the blessing before Shechita, the slaughter is still valid and the meat is kosher. [Maimonides Laws of Slaughter 1:2 and commentaries ad loc]
* There are no restrictions on what organs or parts of the carcass may be eaten from a Halal-slaughtered and -dressed animal; as long as it was slaughtered and prepared according to the rules of dhabiha halal, the entire animal is fit for consumption by Muslims. However, Kashrut prohibits eating the chelev (certain types of fat) and gid hashoneh (the sciatic nerve), and thus the hindquarters of a kosher animal must undergo a process called nikkur (or, in Yiddish, porging) in order to be fit for consumption by Jews. As nikkur is an expensive, time-consuming process, it is rarely practiced outside of Israel, and the hindquarters of kosher-slaughtered animals in the rest of the world are generally sold on the non-kosher market.
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Thank you. Oliver1.

So, to summarise.

If you are against Halal slaughter because of the cruelty angle then you should also be against Kosher meat/slaughter as the method of slaughter is basically the same.

Personally, the main issue for me is that I don't want to eat meat that has been come from a slaughter and blessing in accordance with some barbaric 3rd world cult. If companies don't give me the choice then I don't want to use those companies.

It is also an example of creeping Islamism in our society. Halal meat in the general consumption today, my Mum, Sisters and wife to be in a Burka tomorrow. This "creep" issue does not seem to be a problem with Judaism, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism etc.

I also heard that with Halal food a portion of the price you pay goes to Islamic "charities" or places of "worship". Is this true? If so, I ain't eating it ever again.
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Cheerleading is an American concept.

Fortunately in the Muslim version, the women are well covered up and you wont get to see any Camel toes.
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Well, I don't know what their cheerleading consists of and I was hoping she'd give us some insight.....
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Apr 15 2010, 04:09 AM
Well, I don't know what their cheerleading consists of and I was hoping she'd give us some insight.....
By the looks of their facebook groups blurb its a bunch of muslim women who support jihad and do so behind their keyboards.

Wonderful for them that this country and its culture affords them the opportunity to do this.

If they were in certain islamic countries they wouldn't be allowed to be educated enough to switch a computer on let alone use it to express opinion.

But I'm sure they have voiced their many concerns to their spiritual leaders about the mistreatment of women in the muslim world, let alone the food they eat!
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They're against keyboard jihadists: "Keyboard Jihadis stay away or get lit up!"
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They are supposed to be combating fascism and terrorist jihad's, from what I have seen they are muslim girls with time and their hands.
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Thank you. Oliver1.

So, to summarise.

If you are against Halal slaughter because of the cruelty angle then you should also be against Kosher meat/slaughter as the method of slaughter is basically the same.

Personally, the main issue for me is that I don't want to eat meat that has been come from a slaughter and blessing in accordance with some barbaric 3rd world cult. If companies don't give me the choice then I don't want to use those companies.

It is also an example of creeping Islamism in our society. Halal meat in the general consumption today, my Mum, Sisters and wife to be in a Burka tomorrow. This "creep" issue does not seem to be a problem with Judaism, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism etc.

I also heard that with Halal food a portion of the price you pay goes to Islamic "charities" or places of "worship". Is this true? If so, I ain't eating it ever again.
I'm right there with you on that.
Why should we be forced to eat meat that has been slaughtered in such a barbaric way?
No way am i supporting any kind of lsamic charity by being forced/missled into buying meat l wouldnt feed to my dog!!
Does this mean that by serving only halal food in schools the local educational authority is supporting islamic charities????
l do hope not because that means l am supporting them without my permission.
This is worse than stealth tax
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Thank you. Oliver1.

So, to summarise.

If you are against Halal slaughter because of the cruelty angle then you should also be against Kosher meat/slaughter as the method of slaughter is basically the same.

Personally, the main issue for me is that I don't want to eat meat that has been come from a slaughter and blessing in accordance with some barbaric 3rd world cult. If companies don't give me the choice then I don't want to use those companies.

It is also an example of creeping Islamism in our society. Halal meat in the general consumption today, my Mum, Sisters and wife to be in a Burka tomorrow. This "creep" issue does not seem to be a problem with Judaism, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism etc.

I also heard that with Halal food a portion of the price you pay goes to Islamic "charities" or places of "worship". Is this true? If so, I ain't eating it ever again.
I'm right there with you on that.
Why should we be forced to eat meat that has been slaughtered in such a barbaric way?
No way am i supporting any kind of lsamic charity by being forced/missled into buying meat l wouldnt feed to my dog!!
Does this mean that by serving only halal food in schools the local educational authority is supporting islamic charities????
l do hope not because that means l am supporting them without my permission.
This is worse than stealth tax
It goes even further than that. Here are some more implications for our British Butchers to consider:

LONDON - Over 5,000 butchers from Pakistan would get employment in the halal meat industry of UK through Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed between National Halal Foods Group (NHFG) of UK and Overseas Employment Cooperation of Pakistan. The MoU has been signed here at the Pakistan High Commission, London Friday.
Speaking on the occasion Pakistan ‘s High Commissioner to UK Wajid Shamsul Hasan said that through the efforts of National Halal Foods Group (NHFG), opening of outlets of halal meat in leading supermarkets of UK and Europe, will provide employment opportunities for Pakistani butchers along with export of meat from Pakistan to the international market of halal meat. The signing of Memorandum of Understanding between the UK based National Halal Foods Group (NHFG) and Overseas Employment Cooperation of Pakistan’s Ministry of Labour Manpower and Overseas Pakistanis took place at the Pakistan High Commission London.

The MoU was signed by Community Welfare Councillor of Pakistan High Commission Muhammad Talha Saeed and Chief Executive Officer of NHFG Muhammad Zahid Yaqoob.
Expressing his views Zahid Yaqoob said as a result of this MoU over 5000 butchers from Pakistan will be given employment in the UK for producing halal meat for the outlets in UK’s leading chains of supermarkets including ASDA and TESCO. He further said that there was a market of $50b of halal meat in which Pakistan can obtain its share by producing halal meat of international standards.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Business/30-Nov-2008/5000-Pak-butchers-to-get-jobs-in-UK/
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Apr 15 2010, 12:47 AM
Thank you. Oliver1.

So, to summarise.

If you are against Halal slaughter because of the cruelty angle then you should also be against Kosher meat/slaughter as the method of slaughter is basically the same.

Personally, the main issue for me is that I don't want to eat meat that has been come from a slaughter and blessing in accordance with some barbaric 3rd world cult. If companies don't give me the choice then I don't want to use those companies.

It is also an example of creeping Islamism in our society. Halal meat in the general consumption today, my Mum, Sisters and wife to be in a Burka tomorrow. This "creep" issue does not seem to be a problem with Judaism, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism etc.

I also heard that with Halal food a portion of the price you pay goes to Islamic "charities" or places of "worship". Is this true? If so, I ain't eating it ever again.
A proportion of all Muslim's earnings go to Muslim communities it is called Zakat and is compulsory so to answer your question yes the wholesaler that supplies the meat to KFC is Muslim so out of his profits money will go to his Mosque for them to do with as they want.

Kosher meat does use the same method and is equally barbaric and on an animal rights issue should also be condemned but the Jewish religion, unlike the Muslim religion, do not force their meat on the British public. You do not have KFC Kosher trials nor any of the other companies that also have Halal do not do Kosher. You do not have supermarkets introducing Kosher only stores but you do with Halal. Now I may be very sceptical but why is is that the Muslims seem to hold more sway than the Jews, is it because the Jews wish to integrate with us, not make a fuss and the Muslims wish to have everything their own way and it is all part of the theory that they are on a takeover of all non-Muslim countries.
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I would like to know when the EHRC will get involved as this is pure religious prejudice to none mulsims.
Just because you don't believe in a murdering pedophile you cant be a butcher of halal meat.
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They're against keyboard jihadists: "Keyboard Jihadis stay away or get lit up!"
I really should read stuff when I'm awake.

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I do that shit all the time mate :)
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I do wonder what some of the professional animal welfare people have to say about halal slaughter (Dhabiha?)... (and about kosher slaughter -see if they make any distinction)
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