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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 10 2010, 11:30 AM (183 Views) | |
| Cpt Harlock | Apr 10 2010, 11:30 AM Post #1 |
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Who agrees with the way war,s are fought today with only military targets hit and can,t fire on people unless being fired upon etc etc , OR, the old way where you went to war with the people of a country and slaughtered them into submission weather they were solders ,civilians or children |
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| studio | Apr 10 2010, 11:36 AM Post #2 |
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civilian targets should be avoided at all costs. The blitz route used by all sides in ww2 was disgusting to my mind. |
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| 1395 | Apr 10 2010, 11:38 AM Post #3 |
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Agreed. Blitzing cities may be effective but its also brutal. We are supposed to be fighting the Taliban for freedom here. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:38 AM Post #4 |
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Undecided but its the only way to win a war just sweep through the country. When you bring rules and regulations into war your chances of winning it are lessend alot. dont agree with the civilians being killed but wars war |
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| studio | Apr 10 2010, 11:43 AM Post #5 |
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All out war is one thing, but rarely seen in this day and age. Its a skirmish philosophy that we see, with as little impact on the local population as possible. Hearts and minds work better than oppression unless you are in a position to completely rule a country, something the UK could not do... |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:45 AM Post #6 |
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Look how long this war is dragging out ...... |
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| studio | Apr 10 2010, 11:52 AM Post #7 |
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Its not a war though is it. Its about removing the Taliban and replacing with democracy, if it was a war per say we would have most of our soldiers sweeping through villages, serious house to house searches, road building for logistics etc. Not all of the forces in Afghanistan are on active duty, a lot are on rebuilding the infrastructure. Look at the rush to Berlin in WW2, roads were cleared and bomb holes filled, but only to gain access, rebuilding was left till after the fighting was done |
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| RDG | Apr 10 2010, 12:19 PM Post #8 |
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I dont know if the war with Germany was shortened by carpet bombing the towns and cities, but the allies killed over 3,800,000 which was a few thousand more than military killed. We have weapons that can pin point targets that should reduce the civilian casualties, but they will continue to happen. Thats war i,m afraid and the last to concern themselfs are the Taliban of course. |
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| Gilltan | Apr 10 2010, 12:21 PM Post #9 |
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speaking of this in Ross Kemp in Afghanistan DVD there is a fire fight were Taliban retreat into a mosque and continue to return fire (out of the mosque) at British forces but because there in the mosque the British forces aren’t allowed to make contact in that location even though the slimy basterds are shooting at them from inside it… I mean WHAT THE f**k. Go get the DVD just to see this |
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| 1395 | Apr 10 2010, 12:24 PM Post #10 |
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I actually remember seeing that. I couldn't believe my eyes. We don't want a blitzkrieg but ffs that is just moronic, you think the Taliban would have problems shooting at churches?
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| Karif-Chris | Apr 10 2010, 12:40 PM Post #11 |
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If you truly want to win the war you have to go with the 1st option, with the second option you only ever win the battle |
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| Cpt Harlock | Apr 10 2010, 01:16 PM Post #12 |
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I did,nt just mean the Taliban i ment any war, and with a broader outlook. How many civilians will become terrorists after a war has finished ? How many innocent lives will they take over the years ? My way of thinking is, if you hit all people of a country as hard as you can, they will think twice about retaliation and stop the ones that do want to retaliate out of fear for there own lives. Modern warfare breeds terrorists because they know nothing will happen to them unless they are unlucky enough to actually get caught in the act |
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| RDG | Apr 10 2010, 01:45 PM Post #13 |
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Imo the Afgan war is so much different to the 1st and 2nd WW,s. Then it was outright conflict involving just about every country. Afganistan is a localised war and is against a specific ememy and (again) only my opinion it is a war that can niether be won or lost. However, if as you say the whole contry was "taken out" by mass bombing the situation could well be different. But who would sanction that course of action? As regards a global conflict regarding countries like North Korea and Iran, both with nuclear capability (or if not now, not far away) and if they use them, I can see a retaliation that will be swift and both countries will be Nuked out of existance. Happy days! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 02:04 PM Post #14 |
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Civilian targets should be avoided at all costs. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 02:27 PM Post #15 |
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Obviously civilian targets should be avoided. But war is war, you're never going to win unless you're as brutal as you can be. |
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| S.W.A.T. | Apr 10 2010, 02:46 PM Post #16 |
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Total war is what it is called. and as horrific as it sounds and indeed is, there is no doubt that it makes the soldiers job a lot easier,which is what we all want surely ?. some of the rules of engagement are pointless and pathetic. our brave troops cant fight & win a war with one arm tied around their nut sack... i have posted a link to a site that gives information on all the 'supposed' war crimes carried out by U.S. forces in Iraq. a lot of these supposed war crimes are nothing more than highly stressed modern soldiers acting with the aggressiveness that anyone would expect from a modern warrior. if you are driving along and your best mate gets blown up or shot & killed right in front of you, what would you do ?. are you supposed to be calm-collected and weigh up all your options. or do you shoot the first i'slime that looks dodgy ? SOME ARE WAR CRIMES SOME ARE MOST DEFINATELY NOT... unfortunately some are definitely very bad crimes in any way you look at it, war or anywhere else. like the 5 soldiers from the 101st airborne division serving in MAHMUDIYA, who broke into the house of an Iraqi family, shot dead the mother,father, and 6 yr old sister, before repeatedly raping the girl before shooting her in the head and burning the corpse. this is a 'REAL' war crime. as much as some of the incidents that happen are distasteful, no-one wins a war by been Samaritans and acting like saints... http://www.expose-the-war-profiteers.org/DOD/iraq_II/index.htm TRYING TO INSTILL MORALITY IN WAR IS INSANE ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT. |
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| S.W.A.T. | Apr 10 2010, 03:14 PM Post #17 |
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does anybody think that the people we are and have been going up against this last decade would have any problem carpet bombing or massacring us given half the chance. if we were closer to the middle east & they had the military capabilities to do so, they would treat us like the vermin they see us as. the sickening s*** that is in the link below is just a few soldiers that they have gotten ahold of, i shudder to think what could/would happen if they had the capabilities to have dozens, hundreds, thousands, of our POWs... nuff said. "FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE - FIGHT STEEL WITH STEEL" http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/184744.php http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/cat_beheading.php |
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| trig | Apr 10 2010, 06:35 PM Post #18 |
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Fair point mate. However, the Afghan's, and all the Islamic extremists say they are at war with us. Does this mean all our civilians and soft targets are fair game??? I see you point and understand where yor coming from mate. In my opinion, we hold the morale and high ground and shoot fight and act accordingly. Only in my opinion though mate. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 07:19 PM Post #19 |
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f**k it a war is a war would they show us mercy sorry but we all need to wake up p.s f**k off millwall |
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| ignominius | Apr 10 2010, 07:25 PM Post #20 |
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Fighting wars according to rules and regulations is fine and humane but if one side doesn't recognise those rules and fights ignoring those accepted rules then a rethink is necessary on how the rules of war are applied when the opposition refuse to fight according to those agreed rules. This is the situation with the West and Islam. Islam refuses to rec ognise the rules of war whilst western forces are tied by them. For example, It's illegal for western forces to fire upon civilians so Al-Qaeda and the Taliban will fight from within the midst of civilians. This is also a tactic used by Hamas, Hezbollah and the PLO. It's a muslim thing to so do. Rules of warfare are only good if both sides abide by them. |
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| trig | Apr 10 2010, 07:33 PM Post #21 |
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Yes mate but im sure you must understand that we have to fight the war a certain way. Surely we cannot simply decalare anyone who is Islamic a legitamite target, whether the extremists do the same to us. |
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| Craptola | Apr 10 2010, 07:37 PM Post #22 |
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Well if two global powers were to wage war on each other using the old method both countries would have a severe population drop. I don't know just how devistating a nuclear war would be and I wouldn't like to find out. |
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| hgvtom | Apr 10 2010, 08:32 PM Post #23 |
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all i know is if war came to my home turf i would fight, and fight dirty if i had to , to win, if there is a chance i might be killed i will defend myself by all means nescesary and i would die for my children and their country. i am ENGLISH but this is now my childrens country and for their future i will provide. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 08:37 PM Post #24 |
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So long as there's Americans fighting, there will be huge civilian casaulties. No offense to the Americans on here, but your military seriously cannot do anything right. You're far too reckless, and disregard the civilian population. We're meant to be their to fight for the democracy of the people, blowing them up will not help us in anyway. |
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