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Whats your thoughts (death penalty)
Topic Started: Apr 10 2010, 11:08 AM (555 Views)
Jeggie
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Honestly - you people believe in the death penalty as a solution to... whatever killing people solves?
I think my tenure as a supporter of the EDL might be shorter than I thought it would be.

Personally, I believe in every person's right to fight to defend themselves, to kill if mortally threatened, or if driven to extremes of fear for their families safety. But.
If you think for one moment that the license to dispense capital punishment would be restricted to pervert child murderers then you are sadly mistaken. Next would be child molesters, then rapists, then murderers, then granny-bashers then... draw whatever line you like to the acute point where it is used as a governmental tool for controlling people like you and me, who aren't afraid of the government.

It's bad enough that the Police shoot to kill, without trial or non-lethal "marksmanship".
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Jeggie
Apr 10 2010, 10:07 PM
You have to ask yourself why you disagree with Sharia law.
Because it's cruel and bloodthirsty? Maybe, in which case the death sentence is a step CLOSER to Sharia law.

I once had the opportunity to talk to a Psychologist who had interviewed Peter Sutcliffe (The Yorkshire Ripper) and was amazed at how many personality disorders the man had. His being available to phychologists and analysts for study had furthered understanding of what makes people like that tick - and more importantly how to recognise the traits that allow them to be helped or caught sooner.

Basically if you want to live in a world where thieves get their hands chopped off and murderers are hung or decapitated - go to Saudi Arabia, because England does not support murdering people in cold blood.

If the death sentence comes to England, we will have lost the fight, because people like Jack Straw will decide who lives or dies and for what crime.
Sharia Law includes the death penalty, English Law used to have the death penalty. Are you saying that 50 odd years ago when English Law included the death penalty it was the same as Sharia Law? As for the Jack Straw comment I think that if the death penalty is ever brought back it should ALWAYS be a jury that convicts and it should ALWAYS be up to the family of the victim that decide what punisment the purportrator gets.
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You can wish to turn back the clock if you like, to when people were hung and children sent down mines but I see the end of those practices as cultural progress for Britain.

If you can indulge me and put yourself in the position where you find your wife being publicly executed for a driving accident where someone's kid got run over and you still agree with "An eye for an eye" then I'm afraid I don't want to live in your Britain.

I'm glad we had this chat.
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Jeggie
Apr 10 2010, 10:40 PM

You can wish to turn back the clock if you like, to when people were hung and children sent down mines but I see the end of those practices as cultural progress for Britain.

If you can indulge me and put yourself in the position where you find your wife being publicly executed for a driving accident where someone's kid got run over and you still agree with "An eye for an eye" then I'm afraid I don't want to live in your Britain.

I'm glad we had this chat because I was fully intending on protesting with you guys in Aylesbury, but now? no, sorry.
Mate i don't see how this stops you form protesting, not everyone in the EDL agrees with the death penalty im sure, its nothing to do with that, this is about the war against Islamic extremism. Just because some people have differing views on the death penalty, shouldn't put you off.
Islam is fascism. Unite against fascism. :)

I SUPPORT ISRAEL AND ITS FIGHT TO PROTECT DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM AGAINST HAMAS TERRORISTS.
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lol - sorry, I edited that bit out. I was being knee-jerky.

I had this same argument with a close friend 6 months ago and I was amazed that they saw killing people as a problem solving process.
It's a raw wound for me - my missus got stitched up by the police in an accident and took a pasting from the law, in an eye for an eye world she would have got her legs broken and I would have had to kill a lot of people to cool my blood. See why it doesn't work? hehe.
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Jeggie
Apr 10 2010, 10:49 PM
lol - sorry, I edited that bit out. I was being knee-jerky.

I had this same argument with a close friend 6 months ago and I was amazed that they saw killing people as a problem solving process.
It's a raw wound for me - my missus got stitched up by the police in an accident and took a pasting from the law, in an eye for an eye world she would have got her legs broken and I would have had to kill a lot of people to cool my blood. See why it doesn't work? hehe.
What if it was your kids were killed by Ian Huntly?

Don't wanna come across wrong, just wondered what punishment you would like.
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Jeggie
Apr 10 2010, 10:07 PM
You have to ask yourself why you disagree with Sharia law.
Because it's cruel and bloodthirsty? Maybe, in which case the death sentence is a step CLOSER to Sharia law.
You must be younger than 25 or seriously uninformed. As someone else pointed out, this country had capital punishment when there were no muslims here. It has got nothing to do with sharia law.

Furthermore, you clearly know very little about sharia law. Sharia law includes hanging homosexuals, stoning adulterers, allowing old men to marry girls below the age of 11, massive discrimination against women and girls, massive discrimination against non-muslims. Islam merges the church and the judiciary.

Ever since capital punishment was removed in the UK 50 years ago, the majority of people have wanted it restored. Whilst I have many problems with the BNP they are the only party that is committed to being democratic. They will have a binding referendum on capital punishment. If it is the democratic will of the people of Britain that we have capital punishment, then so be it.

We've got into the mess we're in because for 50+ years we have had a political class that thinks it knows better than the people of Britain. And that political class got rid of capital punishment, brought in mass immigration and multi-culturalism, and tried to actively destroy our national identity.

Don't support EDL, and in 30 years you'll be living in sharia Britain.
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Would killing him bring them back?
Or would studying the guy give us some insight into methods of preventing other people's kids dying?

That said - I would make it my life's work to end the guy, so they had better keep him locked up.



And to Homo sapien, thanks but I am 42 and intimately aware of how islam operates.

I said killing people is a step CLOSER to Sharia law, and 100% of muslims would support your vote to bring back a death penalty.
Besides, if 51% of people in the country were homophobes, we'll be hanging gay people soon after the Death penalty is brought back.

Democracy is what will make Britain Sharia law, in about 20 years time.

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Jeggie
Apr 10 2010, 10:53 PM
Would killing him bring them back?
Or would studying the guy give us some insight into methods of preventing other people's kids dying?

That said - I would make it my life's work to end the guy, so they had better keep him locked up.
I think killing him would be too easy on him, let him rot.
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death to all nonces and islamic extremists and traitors = far better and safer world so gary glitter- anjem choudharry and martin smith are dead men walking in my own little world
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Jeggie
Apr 10 2010, 10:40 PM
You can wish to turn back the clock if you like, to when people were hung and children sent down mines but I see the end of those practices as cultural progress for Britain.

If you can indulge me and put yourself in the position where you find your wife being publicly executed for a driving accident where someone's kid got run over and you still agree with "An eye for an eye" then I'm afraid I don't want to live in your Britain.

I'm glad we had this chat.
I can understand where you are coming from and yoouve obviously had a bitter experience with the law previously. Murdering someone in cold blood is totally different from your wife accidentally knocking someone over. Only a total loon would call for your wife to be executed for a freak accident. As for the last bit that you edited, I'm 1 in 12000 here and for all you know everyone else here could disagree with me, don't let my view deter you from going to any future EDL demos because it has nothing to do with them.
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Cool.
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Death is to easy for murderers and paedophiles. They should remain in prison till their dying days, preferably solitary confinement with no stimulation and fed basic rations.
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Yes, I support the death penalty for:

1. Premeditated Murder.
2. Gang Rape and Child molestation.
3. Human trafficking.
4. Drug trafficking.
5. Procuring a minor for prostitution.
6. High Treason.
7. Torture of a person.

I also believe that you should have the legal right to shoot dead anyone that breaks into your house at night.
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a couple of points...this country will never have capital punishment back due to being a member of the eu and no member state would be able to go it alone. a key reason turkey cannot join is its use of the death penalty. also before I could judge for myself whether I could back its return to this country I would want to see the law in detail. exactly to which criminals it could apply...not an easy law to draw up...
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I support it. if someone is a murderer for no good reason or an abuser or terrorist why should they live?
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Death penalty in my opinion is required for certain crime.

But let's look at Ian Huntley, he wants to die. Why should we allow him to fulfill that, that'd be giving in. Life = life, you stay in.

Ian Huntley has tried killing himself, he has no family, no friends. And is constantly watching his back because people want him dead.

Psychological punishment is much better than physical.
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EnglishEllie
Apr 13 2010, 09:07 PM
I support it. if someone is a murderer for no good reason or an abuser or terrorist why should they live?
Looking at most cases of murderers, some want to die. As I said about Huntley, why should we kill them if that's what they want. We win nothing out of it.

Leaving them with basic stuff, with no interaction with others is much more devastating for them. They'll eventually lose the plot.

Life should be life, regardless of crime. If that's the sentence, then it should be life.
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Unlike the death sentence in Sharia law, the death sentence was reserved for murder and for treason only.. Sharia law, you can be killed for adultery. The death sentence should be reserved for the most heinous of murders as sometimes it would be the only suitable punishment. On the whole the death penalty should not be overused. Fewer people in the US have been killed by capital punishment than under Sharia law. The two are fundem,entally different approaches. In our system, it is possible to appearl a death sentence but under sharia, it's not possible because it would be akin to questioning Allah and his authority himself.

It's true that with the death penalty crimes of murder were far fewer, so it's likely it did work as a deterrent against pre-mediated homicides. The question i to ask is it more humane to keep someone locked up for life or remove them from society permanently once society is 100% sure that the person is guilty.
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I don't believe in the death penalty. although i can understand why some people would want it, especially for heinous crimes.

I think life should mean life, and there should be greater consistency in sentencing terms and also not a frigging holiday camp.
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I am a bit of a contradiction I think.

On one hand I support the death penalty.

But I in no way want to see anyone suffer in prison.

If you are in prison, that is the punishment, having no freedom. Why do some people want to make people in prison "suffer" any more than they already do?
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fireman_tim
Apr 14 2010, 11:27 AM
I am a bit of a contradiction I think.

On one hand I support the death penalty.

But I in no way want to see anyone suffer in prison.

If you are in prison, that is the punishment, having no freedom. Why do some people want to make people in prison "suffer" any more than they already do?
Looking at British prisons, you're living a life of luxury, most of them get privileges most poor families could never have.

Why should we let them have these? They need their freedom stripped, and their basic needs applied. Nothing more.

I support the death penalty for: Serial rapists; treason and terrorism (not including the terrorists who wish to be martyrs) But say, C18 bombed a gay community, they deserve to die.

I do not support for murder, mass murder and the like. The chances are, they wanna die. Why give them that satisfaction that they've won? Most Islamic terrorists would blow themselves up, but what if they don't? And it's a planted bomb. If we capture them, and arrest them. They can be martyrs to others if they die, and they win. If we just put them into maximum security prisons, with minimal interaction with others and only basic human needs applied, we've won.
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You obviously never been inside. Prison is hardly a punishment.
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Nope never been inside, just watched lots of scary prison shows :)
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fireman_tim
Apr 15 2010, 01:40 PM
Nope never been inside, just watched lots of scary prison shows :)
Obviously not reflecting UK prisons, which are luxurious, and not exactly a prison.

Most of them get more privileges than poor families, this isn't right.
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birmingham-loyal
Apr 10 2010, 11:08 AM
Whats your thoughts on the death penalty,do you agree with it or not.
good idea in principal unless youve been done for fuk all like i have (self defence).
when you stood in front of the jury wondering wether they like the look of your face or not ,its bad enough thinkin your gona get 5 years for doing nowt wrong...i wouldnt like to be stood there innocent waiting for 10 out of 12 muslims to decide wether i was going to fry or not to be honest. :blink:
justice worked in our case luckily...
the CPS is probobly one of the most corrupt bunch of asswipes this side of mecca.
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Apr 15 2010, 02:16 PM
fireman_tim
Apr 15 2010, 01:40 PM
Nope never been inside, just watched lots of scary prison shows :)
Obviously not reflecting UK prisons, which are luxurious, and not exactly a prison.

Most of them get more privileges than poor families, this isn't right.
Prison food is better than school and hospital food.Where's my balaclava and two pieces of copper pipe.I just came across this and pissed myself laughing. Read down the page near healthy eating. Good f**kin job.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4832552.stm
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If I end up in prison I hope they will let me bring my XBOX. Otherwise that would be cruel and unusual punishment.
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Don't think you will have time for Xbox, you will be busy baking cakes, getting busy in the woodwork shop, playing pool, going the gym, watching DvDs or smoking a joint.
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Apr 15 2010, 04:41 PM
Don't think you will have time for Xbox, you will be busy baking cakes, getting busy in the woodwork shop, playing pool, going the gym, watching DvDs or smoking a joint.
Also fighting off the horny queens in the shower block.
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