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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:08 AM Post #1 |
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Whats your thoughts on the death penalty,do you agree with it or not. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:10 AM Post #2 |
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eye for an eye i agree with death penalty for the most serious of crimes murder, child molestation, treason, terrorism and rape |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:11 AM Post #3 |
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For certain crimes (crimes against children etc) yes, lethal injection should be the prefered method of applying the execution. |
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| 1395 | Apr 10 2010, 11:15 AM Post #4 |
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I agree with it in principle, but its difficult to trust the justice system to correctly accuse. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:18 AM Post #5 |
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i think the advancment in DNA technology would get 99.9% of the cases correct |
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| studio | Apr 10 2010, 11:18 AM Post #6 |
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Undecided, I would prefer life means life, and less penal reform unless it along the lines of 'your here for a reason, and every day we will make you regret that reason' I also think the three strikes rule is good, as is the jail term given is the least served before chance of parole. We have laws, you dont like them, leave and shut the door on your way out |
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| Idjut Bungmewonga | Apr 10 2010, 11:21 AM Post #7 |
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I've always been against it in the past, though more recently in the "worst of the worst" cases such as child murders I would'nt shed any tears if these people were executed. Problem is, it seems scarcely a week goes by without someone being released as a result of a miscarraige of justice, so I'd still be very cagey about it, if there is smoking gun type evidence I guess the argument is stronger, for instance, a few months back there was a report about a serial killer who murdered his friend and then fried and ate his brains - when they put him in Broadmoor he killed another inmate - you wonder what is the point of keeping no-hopers like this alive at vast expense to the tax payer. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:24 AM Post #8 |
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I'm with you here with the caveat that I already think that a death sentence makes the state as bad as the perpatrator. Though prison should mean hard time for the worst offenders, with no suicide watch. (if you know what I mean )
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:28 AM Post #9 |
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Death penalty is an easy way out, I would rather die then spend the rest of my life in prison. I would rather tougher prisons. Put them in solitary confinement, only for serious crimes though. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:28 AM Post #10 |
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"Thou shalt not kill" should apply to governments as well. - if they are allowed to break that commandent then they can (and have) break others as well - and before i get the anti-christian sentiment in me ear - its a christian based nation. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:30 AM Post #11 |
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Not to sure about the death penalty tbh,I'd prefer solitary confinment for life,no suicide watch,no extra activities,nothing just them in a locked room for life. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:34 AM Post #12 |
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We need suicide watch to be honest, so they cant take the cowards way out. |
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| 1395 | Apr 10 2010, 11:36 AM Post #13 |
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Im not so sure, people used to believe fingerprinting was 100% viable but that was proved wrong. No doubt there are cases where i would say there is no doubt (Baby P killers, Ian Huntley etc etc) but i would be wary of giving the government that kind of power. Im a fan of life is life though. If new evidence comes up revealing their innocence then they can be freed, otherwise, you die in there. Also make prisons tougher, and i would make prisoners do hard labour throughout their scentance. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:38 AM Post #14 |
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As a Liberal I whole-heartedly endorse the death penalty for murder. Those who kill should never have the opportunity to kill again. Other convicts should not have to live with them. I am not interested in whether or not it is a deterrent. I am interested in removing these killers from the earth. No system is perfect. IMO that is not an excuse for not carrying out the right punishment. Any guilt over mistakes in the system should be directed into making the system less imperfect. In 2009 there were around 5000 people in prison for murder (http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm100222/text/100222w0056.htm) . That makes them about 1/20th of the prison population (http://www.justice.gov.uk/publications/docs/stats-prison-pop-sep08.pdf) . Executing them would not just increase the available prison space by 5%, as they are taking up space in prison for much longer than average. Considering that the average amount of time murderers spend in prison might be around 16 years (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/uk-ireland/murder-convicted-spend-average-of-16-years-in-prison-14480580.html), and the average length of any prison term is about 16 months (http://www.justice.gov.uk/publications/docs/stats-prison-pop-sep08.pdf), then removing these scum bags would be like increasing the available prison space by 50%. There are lots of convicted criminals who should be in prison but are walking the street because there are not enough cells. With capital punishment, these other criminals would be receiving more appropriate punishment also. It's ridiculous that people assume that only right-wing individuals advocate capital punishment. As the political compass showed in another thread, all things considered, I'm a libertarian/leftie. And if we lived in a democratic country, we would have capital punishment, because that's what most of the people want, but our "leaders" think they know better. |
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| studio | Apr 10 2010, 11:47 AM Post #15 |
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would you administer the lethal injection and kill the man? would you have 100% happiness that you have not just murdered an innocent individual? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:51 AM Post #16 |
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I think we should out source our worst crime prisoners to foreign jails in 3rd world countries. It would create employment in those countries and relieve pressure on prison overcrowding here. We could then imprison more people who's crimes scandalously only get community service or fines, yet devastate families. The prisoners sent abroad would hopefully learn a few lessons in being grateful for living in a modern western society and could learn some useful skills, a foreign language for one. The murderers etc could spend the rest of their natural in these foreign jails at a fraction of the cost to imprison them here. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:56 AM Post #17 |
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Pros of Capital Punishment •A person who has committed a crime like killing or raping another person should be given death penalty, which is as severe punishment as the act. It is said that when a criminal is given a capital punishment, it dissuades others in the society from committing such serious crimes. They would refrain from such crimes due to fear of losing their lives. This would definitely help in reducing crime rate in society. •If a criminal is jailed, he may again commit the same crime after being released from prison. Giving him capital punishment would make sure that the society is safe from being attacked by criminals. It seems to be an appropriate punishment for serial killers and for those who continue to commit crimes even after serving imprisonment. •Some believe that instead of announcing life imprisonment for the convicts, where they would have to live a futile life behind closed bars, it is better to kill them. It is said that imprisoning someone is more expensive than executing him. Rather than spending on a person who may again commit terrifying crime, it is better to put him to death. •Capital punishment is equated as revenge for pain and suffering that the criminal inflicted on the victim. Some people strongly believe that a person who has taken the life of another person does not have a right to live. Sentencing such a criminal can give relief to the family members of the victim that their loved one has obtained justice. •It is also important for the safety of fellow prison inmates and guards, as people who commit horrifying crimes like murder are believed to have a violent personality and may, in future, attack someone during imprisonment. These reasons emphasize the importance of capital punishment for the betterment of human society. However, there is another section of people who believe that it is an immoral and unethical act of violence. Cons of Capital Punishment •If we execute a person, what is the difference between us and the criminal who has committed the horrifying crime of killing another individual. •Capital punishment is not always just and appropriate. Usually, it has been seen that poor people have to succumb to death penalty as they cannot afford good lawyers to defend their stance. There are very rare cases of rich people being pronounced capital punishment. Also, an individual from minority communities are more likely to be given death penalty. •Every human being is entitled to receive a second chance in life. Putting a convict behind bars is always a logical option than killing him, as there is a chance that he may improve. People who have served life sentences are reported to have bettered their earlier ways of living and have made worthwhile contribution to the society. •There is also a chance that an individual is innocent and is wrongly charged for a crime he has never committed. There have been cases where individuals were released after being given death sentence, because they were proved innocent. There are also cases where a person's innocence was proved after he was put to death. Hence, it is best to avoid executing a person. •It is reported that there is no relation between capital punishment and crime rate i.e giving death penalty does not decrease crime rate in the society. Crimes are prevalent in countries where capital punishment exists and also where it has been abolished. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 11:58 AM Post #18 |
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spot on 15/20 years there woud always be the worry of a innocent person being killed but imo dna can/will help to stop that |
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| Gilltan | Apr 10 2010, 12:14 PM Post #19 |
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A Life For A Life... |
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| mariax | Apr 10 2010, 12:36 PM Post #20 |
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the country should vote, i say yes terrorists,chld molesters and bent mp,s who fiddle |
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| Karif-Chris | Apr 10 2010, 12:38 PM Post #21 |
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Bring it back please |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 12:45 PM Post #22 |
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I don't think we'll need it soon. We should be able to wipe out brain-memories and reprogram the brain-chemistry. Create a new person out of a mentally f**ked up one. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 01:32 PM Post #23 |
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I see. So you are against abortion. You are against killing in self-defence. You are against war. You are against vets putting down animals. You don't eat meat. You don't use mouse-traps. You don't kill flies or mosquitoes. That's where that line of thought leads. Somewhere along the line I'm pretty sure you'll bail out. The only people who don't do that are the buddhist monks who wander from street to street with a begging bowl, living off the rice and vegetables that people choose to give them. They don't kill mosquitoes or flies either. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 01:42 PM Post #24 |
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I might well take the job of executioner. I have a lot of respect for the people who have to clean the s**t out of public toilets. Do you think they actually enjoy doing that? Do you really think that soldiers never make mistakes, and that they don't have to live with those mistakes? Do you think that there was nothing brave and noble in the soldiers who defended us from Nazism, even when they made mistakes? No wonder militant islam views western society as weak and decadent. |
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| made in England | Apr 10 2010, 01:46 PM Post #25 |
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I was going to get all philosophical and give my reasons why i want the death penalty reinstated but why bother, Just string em up |
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| Good Knight | Apr 10 2010, 01:47 PM Post #26 |
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Are you quoting the bible?? If so its 'thou shalt not MURDER'. Killing and murder = 2 different things. |
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| Good Knight | Apr 10 2010, 01:51 PM Post #27 |
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We need to punish criminals and rehabilitate them if possible. Killing them is an easy way out. Rehabilitated criminals are the best to help other criminals turn away from their crime. |
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| S.W.A.T. | Apr 10 2010, 02:05 PM Post #28 |
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How do you handcuff a one armed man ? seriously though yes, i do agree with the death penalty. when there is definite proof, such as DNA. the only real question in my eyes is..... 'what crimes warrants the death penalty ?' 1, paedophilia, for all of the worst cases involving children . but not for example if a 17 year old lad has consensual sexual intercourse with a 14/15 yr old. so the limits would have to be set out. in some American states if a 17 yr old lad has sex with his 15 year old girlfriend of 6 months ,that's classed as rape, i think that is wrong because they have been a couple for half a year... 2, murder of a police officer in the line of duty... 3, beating up of a pensioner, especially for money. one of the things that angers me the most is when i see on the news or snewspapers, 'old folks beat mercilessly for their money', it's sickening act of the worst kind of coward... 4, any person who has carried out a terror attack against the British country/people. also for the people involved in sponsoring terrorism or helping in 'ANY' way. Islamic terrorists obviously, but also anti British Irish republicans who engage in attacks against our troops. i would carry out the death penalty on them fcukers myself for personal reasons... 5, serial killers, serial rapists. no explanation needed !... 6, traitors, or anyone carrying gross acts of treachery, { run G Galloway bitch run ! }... 7, Anyone caught singing songs glorifying the deaths of the victims concerning the hillsborough stadium or Munich air disasters !... |
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| RDG | Apr 10 2010, 02:08 PM Post #29 |
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Prior to the abolishment of the death penalty quite a number of innocent people were hung. Since the abolishment of capital punishment several innocent people have been given life sentances. So really i,m against returning to the the death penalty. However, I believe that murders, rapists, traitors and all serious criminals should serve a life sentance without any possibility of release. The only exception to that would be the death penalty for terrorisum and anyone involved in terrorist acts. Not enough prisons? Build a few more. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 02:18 PM Post #30 |
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The worst criminals should be killed e.g Murderers, Rapists, child molesters. |
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| Battle of Lepanto | Apr 10 2010, 02:48 PM Post #31 |
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I'm against the death penalty...but I could be convinced otherwise. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 02:51 PM Post #32 |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 03:02 PM Post #33 |
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Bring in back. Prison for me is all about punishment, plus what a detterent would that be? Look at crime before and after the death penalty, we're way to soft now. And you can't bring up the 'You might Hang the wrong person' argument because of DNA evidence. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 03:03 PM Post #34 |
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@homosapien ,abortion is a death penalty to the poor child,however early in the stage of pregnancy ,for what ever reason that child deserves its life.medical,emotional,ethical reasons,I know the ladies on here are going to pop at me its our bodies and all that ,no its a life you are destroying ,adopt the baby,its that simple. As for the death penalty ,yes all islamist terrorists and supporters and all hatepreachers,one mass drowning in a cess pit.and then burn the corpes and let there families watch. |
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| RDG | Apr 10 2010, 03:20 PM Post #35 |
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Look at an organisation called INNOCENT. They are currently looking into 19 cases of convicted murderers the evidence of which seems not to be very sound. Dispite DNA there are still people who could very well be innocent. If indeed they are proved to be it would have been too late if we still had capital punishment. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 04:10 PM Post #36 |
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yeah totally -its got a right to live and your taking it away from it before it can have any say in the matter! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 04:18 PM Post #37 |
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Actually, I'm against abortion. Just because I believe in the death penalty for murderers, doesn't mean I believe in a death penalty for foetuses. I do kill flies and mosquitoes. The topic asked for thoughts. I tried to provide some thoughts. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 04:47 PM Post #38 |
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I know there's always the odd chance of that happening but it's a slim chance, the death penalty should only be used when it's 100% certain that the accused is the person who did it. Be that by CCTV or over a certain amount of reliable witnesses that all agree on what they saw. |
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| x_bolton_babe_x | Apr 10 2010, 05:11 PM Post #39 |
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life for a life. if you kill someone, you should be given a lethal injection!! i mean, if your sick enough to murder someone in the 1st place. why should you have the luxeries of prison life? people get it jus as good in prison as we do on the outside. thats how sick the system is. give tha f**kin system the lethal injection!! xx |
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| Craptola | Apr 10 2010, 06:01 PM Post #40 |
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Yes, for murderers, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists. It would also fill me with glee to see most of the labour cabinet ministers infront of a firing squad for treason. |
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| trig | Apr 10 2010, 06:38 PM Post #41 |
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A very touchy subject. Obviously only used in the extreme cases and where is no shred of doubt at all that the person involved is 100% guilty. Personally would love all kiddy fiddlers, molesters and child killers killed at the earliest opportunity. |
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| kaimana1 | Apr 10 2010, 07:11 PM Post #42 |
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I believe in the death penalty for murderers, rapists, pedophiles and terrorists, however with murderers rapists and pedophiles the evidence should ALWAYS BE 100% conclusive with eyewitness testimony if possible and BLOOD DNA PROOF.... with that alone i think mistakes would be eliminated ,certainly we dont want an innocent person to die.
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| bellevueace | Apr 10 2010, 08:51 PM Post #43 |
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Weve had enough of left wing hand wringing and pandering to murderers. Since the death penalty was abolished the murder rate has risen through the roof. The most precious thing we have is that of life, if someone takes that away they should pay with their own. Modern dna techniques make the mistakes of the past even more less likely now. But remember all the innocent people being killed by mindless thugs whilst the do gooders worry about a miscarrage of justice, if theres even 1% doubt you dont carry out the execution, in cases where theres no doubt theres no way they shouldnt be executed. Who can honestly say scum like hindley, brady, sutcliffe etc shouldnt have swung? |
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| ignominius | Apr 10 2010, 08:57 PM Post #44 |
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I have come to the conclusion that prison is not the answer to the majority of crimes. I believe that prison originally never meant as a punishment in and of it's self, but a holding place before sentencing was carried out and the punishment served. For instance in England, some crimes required the perpertrator be put into the stocks and humilated in front of his local community. For some crimes a good birching was administered. These were affective for their time and didn't require the resources of vast armies of people - prisons, prison warders, social workers, etc. And when you consider that putting and keeping someone in prison today costs us £35,000 per year, then you can see the attraction of not keeping someone in prison for any length of time. Why should we not seek reperation for crimes against society and individuals from the criminal other than taking his time and freedom away from him (and let's face it - a stint in prison is becoming an increasingly soft option). As for the death penalty, it should be reserved for extremely serious crimes, such as treason, murder and child molestation/abuse. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 09:36 PM Post #45 |
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For 20 years this Liberal has been advocating the return of the stocks. I am delighted to have come across someone else who thinks like me
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 09:45 PM Post #46 |
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I agree with all you jar said apart from the last bit. To be honest I don't think Serial killers/Mass murderers should swing straight away. It's fine them paying with their life for a life they hve taken buy what about the 5 or 6 lives they have taken aswell? Like I said in my previous post, I believ punishment to be much more important than rehabilitation and in case like these I believe the guilty should be punished as mch as possible before they are hung. |
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| Jeggie | Apr 10 2010, 10:07 PM Post #47 |
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You have to ask yourself why you disagree with Sharia law. Because it's cruel and bloodthirsty? Maybe, in which case the death sentence is a step CLOSER to Sharia law. I once had the opportunity to talk to a Psychologist who had interviewed Peter Sutcliffe (The Yorkshire Ripper) and was amazed at how many personality disorders the man had. His being available to phychologists and analysts for study had furthered understanding of what makes people like that tick - and more importantly how to recognise the traits that allow them to be helped or caught sooner. Basically if you want to live in a world where thieves get their hands chopped off and murderers are hung or decapitated - go to Saudi Arabia, because England does not support murdering people in cold blood. If the death sentence comes to England, we will have lost the fight, because people like Jack Straw will decide who lives or dies and for what crime. |
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| 1395 | Apr 10 2010, 10:14 PM Post #48 |
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People always say "Only use the death penalty if someone is 100% guilty beyond doubt", but if someone is not 100% guilty then they cannot be convicted in the first place? "Beyond reasonable doubt" and all that. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 10 2010, 10:16 PM Post #49 |
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put them in hard labor camps doing Manuel labor for the rest of their lives... then they die. Much worse of a punishment... the death penalty gives immediate satisfaction to however's family has been hurt however it would be worse of a punishment to delay their death and make their lives terrible |
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| EDL Louis | Apr 10 2010, 10:17 PM Post #50 |
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I agree withit however there must be no doubt that the accused is inocent they have to be 100% guility |
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