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Islam & Jesus
Topic Started: Apr 10 2010, 12:23 AM (131 Views)
fairynuff
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This baffles me..

Muslims believe in Jesus. Not as The Son Of God, but as a prophet.
They consider him one of the greatest of God’s messengers to mankind. The Quran confirms his virgin birth, and a chapter of the Quran is entitled ‘Maryam’ (Mary). The Quran describes the birth of Jesus as follows:

(Remember) when the angels said, “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be). God creates what He wills. If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Quran, 3:45-47)

Ok. So they see him as important. "one of the greatest of God's messengers"

So how come they think Muhammad is greater and go by his teachings instead?

:huh:



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If you wanted to destroy Jesus' teachings you wouldn't say 'Jesus was an idiot' , because that is too much of a giveaway of what you're up to. You would say 'Jesus was a nice man but made a few mistakes - I'm the Perfect man and come to put things right.'

Effectively Mohammed is demoting Jesus to the status of a minor prophet whereas Mohammed is the major prophet. So when Jesus forbade stoning of women he was wrong. Mohammed reintroduced stoning and overruled Jesus.

There's a passage in the Bible where Jesus predicts the coming of Mohammed: “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."



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Bamiyan
Apr 10 2010, 12:54 AM
Therefore by their fruits you will know them.



9/11, 7/7 to name just 2 of their 'fruits'
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Why does Jesus fail to confirm islam in the holy bible that's an older book than the Qu'ran, huh?
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Apr 10 2010, 12:54 AM
If you wanted to destroy Jesus' teachings you wouldn't say 'Jesus was an idiot' , because that is too much of a giveaway of what you're up to. You would say 'Jesus was a nice man but made a few mistakes - I'm the Perfect man and come to put things right.'

Effectively Mohammed is demoting Jesus to the status of a minor prophet whereas Mohammed is the major prophet. So when Jesus forbade stoning of women he was wrong. Mohammed reintroduced stoning and overruled Jesus.

There's a passage in the Bible where Jesus predicts the coming of Mohammed: “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."



Yeh I was gonna put that...

Exactly
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the muslim say that jesus is a prophet,
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Why Islamic theology is crap...
http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/tawhid-or-tawheed-versus-christian.html




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I also read some where last night, that when Jesus returns to earth Allah is going to put a worm in the nape of the necks of all the unbelievers. :'(
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In the good book it says the good will prevail lets hope we are the good ;)
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Fairynuff you are totally correct regarding the Quran recognizing Jesus as a profit and also John the baptist but it all came to blows with the Sons of Abraham.
Abraham cast out his eldest son or Sarahs son Ishmael apparently for betraying him but then again it is said that Abraham always favored his other son Isaac anyway.It is also said that Ishmael was originally chosen by God to be sacrificed and not Isaac.
However its Ironic that theres such a great division as the Bible The Torah and The Quran are more related than most people think with Abraham being the common denominator.

Edited by made in England, Apr 10 2010, 08:20 PM.
"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!"

Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished

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Apr 10 2010, 07:56 PM
In the good book it says the good will prevail lets hope we are the good ;)
Were going to win this fight!!

England has not been invaded for 1000 years, we CAN'T LET OUR FOREFATHERS/ANCESTORS DOWN!!
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Jesus said that there would be many false prophets.... Nuff said.

Also in the book of Galatians it says if anyone comes with another Gospel than the one in the bible REJECT IT.
Even if it comes from an.... ANGEL.

Who supposedly gave Mohammads revelation to him??? The angel Gabriel!!
But when we say how the angel contacted him it was one of torment the angel practically attacked him. This is not how angels treat a supposed prophet, especially one revealing the word of God!
Also..... The bible tells us that the Devil appears as... AN ANGEL OF LIGHT... I'm sure you all get what I'm saying here.


Check this out though....

What the Bible says about the Antichrist
What Islam and the Koran say about Mahdi 12th Imam

•The antichrist will be an unparalleled leader in ability to speak and lead.
The Imam Al Mahdi will be an unparalleled leader in ability to speak and lead.

•The False Prophet will support the antichrist in deceiving the world into accepting and following the Antichrist.
A "Muslim Jesus" will "return" and support the Imam Al Mahdi in getting the world to accept the Imam Al Mahdi and follow him.

•The Antichrist and the False Prophet will have a powerful army that will do great damage to the Earth in order to subdue it and follow them.
The Imam Al Mahdi and the Muslim "Jesus" will have a powerful army that will do great damage to the Earth in order to subdue it and cause everyone to follow them.

•The False Prophet is described as a Dragon in Lamb's clothing.
The Muslim "Jesus" will come bearing the name that the world knows as the Lamb of God and yet teach Islam.

•The Antichrist and the False Prophet establish a New World Order.
The Imam Al Mahdi and the Muslim "Jesus" establish a New World Order.

•The Antichrist is said to "change the times".
The Imam Al Mahdi almost certainly will adopt use of the Islamic calendar for use worldwide, hence changing the times. It is a 12 month calendar of 30 days each with Muslims names.

•The Antichrist and False Prophet will adopt a universal and mandatory religion
The Imam Al Mahdi and the Muslim "Jesus" will institute Islam as the only acceptable religion.
•The Antichrist and False prophet will execute by beheading anyone who does not accept their religion.
The Imam Al Mahdi and the Muslim "Jesus" will execute by beheading anyone who does not accept Islam. Beheading has been the official method of execution for Islam since the days of Mohammed and still is to this very day.

•The Antichrist will have a specific agenda to kill as many Jews as possible.
The Imam Al Mahdi and the Muslim "Jesus" will have an order from God to root out and kill all Jews.

•The Antichrist and False Prophet will attack and conquer Jerusalem. Interestingly enough all of the nations the Bible mentions as coming to attack Israel and Jerusalem (In Ezekiel) are currently Muslim nations.
The Imam Al Mahdi and Muslim "Jesus" will attack and conquer Jerusalem in the name of Islam.

•The Antichrist will set himself up in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem as his seat of authority.
The Imam Al Mahdi will establish the Islamic Caliphate from Jerusalem. The Caliphate is a religious and political leader of all Islam and all Muslims. With the whole world having to accept Islam he will in effect be a world ruler from Jerusalem.

•The Antichrist will perform many miracles in order to deceive many into following him.
The Imam Al Mahdi will also be able to perform many miracles.

•The Antichrist will make a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years.
The Imam Al Mahdi will make a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years.

•Jesus at his second coming will defend Jerusalem and Israel from an attack by a coalition of nations led by the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
The Imam Al Mahdi Warns that the Dajjal, the Muslim Antichrist, will appear and fool Jews into thinking he is Jesus the Messiah and fight for them. The Koran warns Muslims to ignore everything he says and flee from him.

Antichrist = The Mahdi??? Well it looks like it...
Edited by Good Knight, Apr 10 2010, 11:32 PM.
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Apr 10 2010, 08:13 PM
mickyboy
Apr 10 2010, 07:56 PM
In the good book it says the good will prevail lets hope we are the good ;)
Were going to win this fight!!

England has not been invaded for 1000 years, we CAN'T LET OUR FOREFATHERS/ANCESTORS DOWN!!
It has been written that the Legions of Rome eventually conquered Britain then Germanic warriors such as the Angles and Saxons came as mercenaries and saviors to the submissive undefended and non combatant Celt tribes then came the Normans in which a battle that was almost a Saxon/English victory, however England prevailed.
A thousand years lapsed and surprisingly during this time England survived along with we English.
Our darkest days were not then but now, i wonder how the historians of the future will describe todays struggle and furthermore its a question if England will survive the next few decades let alone :england: another Thousand years.
"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!"

Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished

Midsomer the last great bastion of Englishness ....Brian True-May

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Apr 10 2010, 08:15 PM
Jesus said that there would be many false prophets.... Nuff said.

Also in the book of Luke it says if anyone comes with another Gospel than the one in the bible REJECT IT.
Even if it comes from an.... ANGEL.

Who supposedly gave Mohammads revelation to him??? The angel Gabriel!!
But when we say how the angel contacted him it was one of torment the angel practically attacked him. This is not how angels treat a supposed prophet, especially one revealing the word of God!
Also..... The bible tells us that the Devil appears as... AN ANGEL OF LIGHT... I'm sure you all get what I'm saying here.


Check this out though....

What the Bible says about the Antichrist
What Islam and the Koran say about Mahdi 12th Imam

•The antichrist will be an unparalleled leader in ability to speak and lead.
The Imam Al Mahdi will be an unparalleled leader in ability to speak and lead.

•The False Prophet will support the antichrist in deceiving the world into accepting and following the Antichrist.
A "Muslim Jesus" will "return" and support the Imam Al Mahdi in getting the world to accept the Imam Al Mahdi and follow him.

•The Antichrist and the False Prophet will have a powerful army that will do great damage to the Earth in order to subdue it and follow them.
The Imam Al Mahdi and the Muslim "Jesus" will have a powerful army that will do great damage to the Earth in order to subdue it and cause everyone to follow them.

•The False Prophet is described as a Dragon in Lamb's clothing.
The Muslim "Jesus" will come bearing the name that the world knows as the Lamb of God and yet teach Islam.

•The Antichrist and the False Prophet establish a New World Order.
The Imam Al Mahdi and the Muslim "Jesus" establish a New World Order.

•The Antichrist is said to "change the times".
The Imam Al Mahdi almost certainly will adopt use of the Islamic calendar for use worldwide, hence changing the times. It is a 12 month calendar of 30 days each with Muslims names.

•The Antichrist and False Prophet will adopt a universal and mandatory religion
The Imam Al Mahdi and the Muslim "Jesus" will institute Islam as the only acceptable religion.
•The Antichrist and False prophet will execute by beheading anyone who does not accept their religion.
The Imam Al Mahdi and the Muslim "Jesus" will execute by beheading anyone who does not accept Islam. Beheading has been the official method of execution for Islam since the days of Mohammed and still is to this very day.

•The Antichrist will have a specific agenda to kill as many Jews as possible.
The Imam Al Mahdi and the Muslim "Jesus" will have an order from God to root out and kill all Jews.

•The Antichrist and False Prophet will attack and conquer Jerusalem. Interestingly enough all of the nations the Bible mentions as coming to attack Israel and Jerusalem (In Ezekiel) are currently Muslim nations.
The Imam Al Mahdi and Muslim "Jesus" will attack and conquer Jerusalem in the name of Islam.

•The Antichrist will set himself up in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem as his seat of authority.
The Imam Al Mahdi will establish the Islamic Caliphate from Jerusalem. The Caliphate is a religious and political leader of all Islam and all Muslims. With the whole world having to accept Islam he will in effect be a world ruler from Jerusalem.

•The Antichrist will perform many miracles in order to deceive many into following him.
The Imam Al Mahdi will also be able to perform many miracles.

•The Antichrist will make a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years.
The Imam Al Mahdi will make a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years.

•Jesus at his second coming will defend Jerusalem and Israel from an attack by a coalition of nations led by the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
The Imam Al Mahdi Warns that the Dajjal, the Muslim Antichrist, will appear and fool Jews into thinking he is Jesus the Messiah and fight for them. The Koran warns Muslims to ignore everything he says and flee from him.

Antichrist = The Mahdi??? Well it looks like it...
I want to know more about this worm thingy.Does anyone know?
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Islam basically took prophets from Judaism and Cristianity and made a relgion of violence.
Kinda as if Jews and Cristians that got booted out for being to violent or people didn't want them in the community make thir own religion made up of rapest, murderers and power hungrey sickos.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam
Theres a table about half way down....

Edited by Tzipi5770, Apr 10 2010, 09:24 PM.
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think the false prophet is someone claiming to be allah and the Antichrist will be the pope
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