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Topic Started: Apr 9 2010, 09:17 PM (424 Views)
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I know I may appear dumb here (for once! :P) but can someone explain to me the left ring and right wing thing? Wing thing ha ha :P

Anyway! Like I keep reading about far left and far right, I've looked it up on the net but it's confusing cos sometimes they seem the same! :blink:

Can anyone explain in laymans terms?
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http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100316105511AALB3js
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It's where you're place on the political spectrum - A brief explanation

Right wingers are fairly more conservative, and left wingers are more liberal.
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:$ I thought you meant ladies wings.

This is gonna be like explaining how a car works so i'm out. :(
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The first answer is such a poor explanation....
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Apr 9 2010, 09:24 PM
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Apr 9 2010, 09:22 PM
The first answer is such a poor explanation....
it's good starting point for someone to start understanding left and right views.
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wow the first one confused me even more ha ha! Thanks though chuck x

Right I kind of get it now I think. lolz.
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Apr 9 2010, 09:26 PM
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The first answer is such a poor explanation....
it's good starting point for someone to start understanding left and right views.
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Left wingers are a much more diverse bunch, in dress, race and tastes.
Right wingers are overwhelmingly angry white males between 30 and 55 with very similar tastes.


We're all angry white people....
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it's good starting point for someone to start understanding left and right views.
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Left wingers are a much more diverse bunch, in dress, race and tastes.
Right wingers are overwhelmingly angry white males between 30 and 55 with very similar tastes.


We're all angry white people....
Did it really say that somewhere?
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it's good starting point for someone to start understanding left and right views.
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Left wingers are a much more diverse bunch, in dress, race and tastes.
Right wingers are overwhelmingly angry white males between 30 and 55 with very similar tastes.


We're all angry white people....
:blink: omg, who wrote that!!
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right, I'm gonna sound even fuking thicker here! But I was just looking up fascism as well (it's one of those things i talk about but don't reaaaally know what I'm saying lmao!), and there seems to be contradictions!

In that link Dylan posted it says -

"The right essentially plays up the role of the individual, and in an extreme right wing view, like atomism, there may be no society, but only a collection of individuals. Extreme right wing views are those such as fascism"

but fascism is apparently this totalitarian idealogy, where the individual is ignored, so how is far right fascist if right plays up the role of the individual?

Confused.com :ermm:
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Peoples perception of what is left or right-wing differs from person to person in my opinion.

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Apr 9 2010, 09:36 PM
Peoples perception of what is left or right-wing differs from person to person in my opinion.

yes! That's right, that's why I was so confused! Got lots of conflicting stuff on the net, also sometimes it seems like far left and far right are fundamentally the same thing in a strange way?
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left ectremism and right extremism is the same they both want each other wiped off the planet.

That's why their is ying and yang, HARMONY!!

Right, to much hippy bulls**t so i'm out of here before i get a good slap. B-)
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Apr 9 2010, 09:39 PM
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Peoples perception of what is left or right-wing differs from person to person in my opinion.

yes! That's right, that's why I was so confused! Got lots of conflicting stuff on the net, also sometimes it seems like far left and far right are fundamentally the same thing in a strange way?
Thats why you are always hearing both sides shouting "nazi's" at each other, gets confusing when you are hearing this from along way off.
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Apr 9 2010, 09:41 PM
left ectremism and right extremism is the same they both want each other wiped off the planet.

That's why their is ying and yang, HARMONY!!

Right, to much hippy bulls**t so i'm out of here before i get a good slap. B-)
ha ha ha don't go, explain stuff to the stupid girl ha ha ha ha :P
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Apr 9 2010, 09:36 PM
Peoples perception of what is left or right-wing differs from person to person in my opinion.

I believe that to a degree there is different combos of left wing and right wing views amongst everyone.

Let me give an example from the U.S point of view one could be left wing in terms of social issues pro abortion pro immigrant amnesty,etc... but be anti gun control and pro war in afghanistan and iraq.

generally conservatives are right wing and liberals are left wing... communists and swp are far leftists.. fascists ,neo nazis ARE FAR rightists ... Hope that makes sense ;)
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Ones Political beliefs and worldly views are infinitely more complicated than a simple tag like " Left wing " or " Right wing " can accurately surmise .
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Fascism is a massively loaded word itself and depends on who you ask - it's also used way too loosely.
Some people use it for totalitarianism (while communism is also such), some use it synonymously with national socialism, others use it in an economic sense in that the country is run for corporate interests.

Without sounding patronising to anyone these are very good questions to ask as it allows coherence in our discussions and clarity in our directions/criticisms.
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Apr 9 2010, 09:47 PM
Fascism is a massively loaded word itself and depends on who you ask - it's also used way too loosely.
Some people use it for totalitarianism (while communism is also such), some use it synonymously with national socialism, others use it in an economic sense in that the country is run for corporate interests.

Without sounding patronising to anyone these are very good questions to ask as it allows coherence in our discussions and clarity in our directions/criticisms.
To be honest you strike me as a bit of a fascist
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Apr 9 2010, 09:45 PM
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Peoples perception of what is left or right-wing differs from person to person in my opinion.

I believe that to a degree there is different combos of left wing and right wing views amongst everyone.

Let me give an example from the U.S point of view one could be left wing in terms of social issues pro abortion pro immigrant amnesty,etc... but be anti gun control and pro war in afghanistan and iraq.

generally conservatives are right wing and liberals are left wing... communists and swp are far leftists.. fascists ,neo nazis ARE FAR rightists ... Hope that makes sense ;)
yeah, so like henchman says, literally all of the views are not confined to one "wing". no wonder I'm confused! ha ha :P

Ha ha ha knuckles so what you meant is "oh it's good that Lisa is so dense, at least when we explain stuff to the stupid monger it makes it clear to everyone else"

:P :D
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Peoples perception of what is left or right-wing differs from person to person in my opinion.

I believe that to a degree there is different combos of left wing and right wing views amongst everyone.

Let me give an example from the U.S point of view one could be left wing in terms of social issues pro abortion pro immigrant amnesty,etc... but be anti gun control and pro war in afghanistan and iraq.

generally conservatives are right wing and liberals are left wing... communists and swp are far leftists.. fascists ,neo nazis ARE FAR rightists ... Hope that makes sense ;)
yeah, so like henchman says, literally all of the views are not confined to one "wing". no wonder I'm confused! ha ha :P

Ha ha ha knuckles so what you meant is "oh it's good that Lisa is so dense, at least when we explain stuff to the stupid monger it makes it clear to everyone else"

:P :D
You have Trans-Atlantic telepathy, m'dear. :D
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Lashes you are far from dense luv indeed you have a distinct endearing quality which even via the information superhighway is tangible :D
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Fascism is a massively loaded word itself and depends on who you ask - it's also used way too loosely.
Some people use it for totalitarianism (while communism is also such), some use it synonymously with national socialism, others use it in an economic sense in that the country is run for corporate interests.

Without sounding patronising to anyone these are very good questions to ask as it allows coherence in our discussions and clarity in our directions/criticisms.
To be honest you strike me as a bit of a fascist
Just like yourself for totally opposite reasons :)
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Fascism is a massively loaded word itself and depends on who you ask - it's also used way too loosely.
Some people use it for totalitarianism (while communism is also such), some use it synonymously with national socialism, others use it in an economic sense in that the country is run for corporate interests.

Without sounding patronising to anyone these are very good questions to ask as it allows coherence in our discussions and clarity in our directions/criticisms.
To be honest you strike me as a bit of a fascist
Just like yourself for totally opposite reasons :)
Word up knuckles ;)
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Fascism is a massively loaded word itself and depends on who you ask - it's also used way too loosely.
Some people use it for totalitarianism (while communism is also such), some use it synonymously with national socialism, others use it in an economic sense in that the country is run for corporate interests.

Without sounding patronising to anyone these are very good questions to ask as it allows coherence in our discussions and clarity in our directions/criticisms.
To be honest you strike me as a bit of a fascist
eeeeeee are you being serious? never can tell with you ha ha ha ha ha :ermm:
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Apr 9 2010, 09:52 PM
Lashes you are far from dense luv indeed you have a distinct endearing quality which even via the information superhighway is tangible :D
ha ha ha ha ha that was a very concise and well worded answer, has one been partaking in the reading of some literature tonight? the dictionary perhaps?

;)
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Lashes you are far from dense luv indeed you have a distinct endearing quality which even via the information superhighway is tangible :D
ha ha ha ha ha that was a very concise and well worded answer, has one been partaking in the reading of some literature tonight? the dictionary perhaps?

;)
No I just engaged my brain which if I try hard enough I can still accomplish ;)
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Apr 9 2010, 09:43 PM
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left ectremism and right extremism is the same they both want each other wiped off the planet.

That's why their is ying and yang, HARMONY!!

Right, to much hippy bulls**t so i'm out of here before i get a good slap. B-)
ha ha ha don't go, explain stuff to the stupid girl ha ha ha ha :P
^o)

I'll try to find some videos for ya that might help. :D

Christ i might even learn something myself :$
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Not to change the subject but Lashes have you dyed your hair back to blonde yet or are you still deciding ?
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ha ha ha ha you will have to teach me how to engage my brain ;) Aw I can't go blonde dude :( tried, but cos of all the bleach over the years if they try and lighten it me hair just snaps :-/ literally :ermm: ha ha! It will be at least next year before I can, gotta grow the black out. Lol.

There's a crappy boring girly answer for ya ha ha! Why anyway? lolz.

Englandman, my stupidity may actually be to everyone's benefit! and to my detriment cos I look like a retard but hey ho! Always like helping others ;)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5xVPJUdTHk&feature=related

wow isn't this cool /\ /\

sorry of topic i know :$ but thought it was cool
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ha ha ha ha you will have to teach me how to engage my brain ;) Aw I can't go blonde dude :( tried, but cos of all the bleach over the years if they try and lighten it me hair just snaps :-/ literally :ermm: ha ha! It will be at least next year before I can, gotta grow the black out. Lol.

There's a crappy boring girly answer for ya ha ha! Why anyway? lolz.

Englandman, my stupidity may actually be to everyone's benefit! and to my detriment cos I look like a retard but hey ho! Always like helping others ;)

Ill teach you whatever and whenever you like as long as you promise to wear black high heels , a little black dress & speak longingly to me in your Geordie overtones :wub:
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Apr 9 2010, 10:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5xVPJUdTHk&feature=related

wow isn't this cool /\ /\

sorry of topic i know :$ but thought it was cool
that's pap

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ha ha ha ha you will have to teach me how to engage my brain ;) Aw I can't go blonde dude :( tried, but cos of all the bleach over the years if they try and lighten it me hair just snaps :-/ literally :ermm: ha ha! It will be at least next year before I can, gotta grow the black out. Lol.<br /><br />There's a crappy boring girly answer for ya ha ha! Why anyway? lolz.<br /><br />Englandman, my stupidity may actually be to everyone's benefit! and to my detriment cos I look like a retard but hey ho! Always like helping others ;)<br /><br />
Ill teach you whatever and whenever you like as long as you promise to wear black high heels , a little black dress & speak longingly to me in your Geordie overtones :wub:
lmfao ya drongo! :D

I'm a MACKEM anyways, not a geordie! That's an insult where I come from you know :P
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ha ha ha ha you will have to teach me how to engage my brain ;) Aw I can't go blonde dude :( tried, but cos of all the bleach over the years if they try and lighten it me hair just snaps :-/ literally :ermm: ha ha! It will be at least next year before I can, gotta grow the black out. Lol.<br /><br />There's a crappy boring girly answer for ya ha ha! Why anyway? lolz.<br /><br />Englandman, my stupidity may actually be to everyone's benefit! and to my detriment cos I look like a retard but hey ho! Always like helping others ;)<br /><br />
Ill teach you whatever and whenever you like as long as you promise to wear black high heels , a little black dress & speak longingly to me in your Geordie overtones :wub:
lmfao ya drongo! :D

I'm a MACKEM anyways, not a geordie! That's an insult where I come from you know :P
Oh s**t ive blown it :'(
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You have. you B.ASTARD!!!!! :biggun:
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Englandman, my stupidity may actually be to everyone's benefit! and to my detriment cos I look like a retard but hey ho! Always like helping others


^o) you look like a retard?, so I take it then that aint you in the picture then. :blink:


I can explain how the universe works better than i can explain politics :P

Everytime I write some I get writers block :(
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Left wingers are a much more diverse bunch, in dress, race and tastes.
Right wingers are overwhelmingly angry white males between 30 and 55 with very similar tastes.


We're all angry white people....
:blink: omg, who wrote that!!
Read the link....
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Englandman, my stupidity may actually be to everyone's benefit! and to my detriment cos I look like a retard but hey ho! Always like helping others


^o) you look like a retard?, so I take it then that aint you in the picture then. :blink:

ha ha ha shurrup you know what I meant :P
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:blink: omg, who wrote that!!
Read the link....
see it just all comes down to opinion

It's all subjective in an objective reality. B-)
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Apr 9 2010, 10:17 PM
You have. you B.ASTARD!!!!! :biggun:
Cannot believe you would use a de-forestation gun on me ! You always hurt the one you love the one you shouldnt hurt at all etc etc etc . When are we going out for lunch then ?
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You have. you B.ASTARD!!!!! :biggun:
Cannot believe you would use a de-forestation gun on me ! You always hurt the one you love the one you shouldnt hurt at all etc etc etc . When are we going out for lunch then ?
what? sorry I fell asleep halfway through reading your post -_-
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:blink: omg, who wrote that!!
Read the link....
Dylan can I just say here and now that I count you among the most intellectual posters present on this board at any one time and that I too skateboard and have ridden a bike my entire life . Thanks .
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You have. you B.ASTARD!!!!! :biggun:
Cannot believe you would use a de-forestation gun on me ! You always hurt the one you love the one you shouldnt hurt at all etc etc etc . When are we going out for lunch then ?
what? sorry I fell asleep halfway through reading your post -_-
No you didnt you silly bint B-)
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Read the link....
Dylan can I just say here and now that I count you among the most intellectual posters present on this board at any one time and that I too skateboard and have ridden a bike my entire life . Thanks .
Is that sarcasm?? :D
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You have. you B.ASTARD!!!!! :biggun:
Cannot believe you would use a de-forestation gun on me ! You always hurt the one you love the one you shouldnt hurt at all etc etc etc . When are we going out for lunch then ?
what? sorry I fell asleep halfway through reading your post -_-
BURN!!!!! hahaha
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Lisa, I'll give you a sensible answer. The terms for left wing and right wing came about from where political factions sat in parliament. Those of one persuasion sat on the left side of the seats in the commons and those of the other persuasion sat on the right hand side. With the rise of socialism in this country it came to be that the socialists would sit on the left hand side and those of a more nationalistic/patriotic leaning would sit on the right. Hence right and left wing. In more modern times the term left wing and right wing refers to a spectrum of political belief , with Communists on the far-left of that spectrum further along the spectrum comes socialism and in the centre are the centre politcal parties who lean neither to left or right. That is they lean neither towards socialism nor to conservatism but steer a rocky path between the two, trying to balance social reform with protecting the status quo. Towards the right we have the Conservative (or to use it's old name the Tories) and to the far right of the scale you have the fascists and Nazis who believe in a rigid corporate totalitarian state (not all that different from communism in practice)

Communists Socialist Centrists Conservatives Fascists
Far Left-----------Left-------------------|------------------Right------------Far-Right
Wing Wing Wing Wing

For your information the LibDems are centre left (that is they are left of centre but not fullysocialist) whilst UKIP could be considered centre-right.

I hope that makes sense!
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I can explain how the universe works better than i can explain politics :P

Everytime I write some I get writers block :(
Start up a thread in Chat, mate :)
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Igs: but you can be left and totalitarian where are some would say totalitarianism is far-right.

I think that political compass website does well by offering the extra degree-of-freedom (axis) to the political spectrum
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