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Sewing up little girls' vaginas and cutting a way in; More sickening filth and barbarism
Topic Started: Apr 9 2010, 12:25 AM (568 Views)
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I posted this earlier on another thread as an explanation of why the 13 year old bled to death when she lost her virginity. But it seems that not everyone is aware of this Islamic form of cultural enrichment, so here it is. Warning! if you've just come back from the pub it may make you bring the last couple of pints back up:

In Islam, when girls are genitally mutilated to remove the clitoris etc, as an added precaution against loss of virginity the wounds on the labia are often sewn together until the vagina is almost completely sealed up with scar tissue, so only fluids can dribble out and nothing can get in. On the wedding night the new owner often has to cut his way in with a knife, which probably happened when the girl bled to death.

The process of sewing up is known as infibulation and is done when the girl is about seven. http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=25201


This enriching practice is coming to a ghetto near you very soon (if it isn't already happening)




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must be a great first time for them,these f**kers that do this to children should be wiped from the face of the earth
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I am not joking when I say this but erm, The green peppers I had on my pizza are now very tasty at the back of my throat and yes I had this pizza 7 hours ago.

That is wrong in so many different ways. That's almost as bad as rape i'd say.
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Worse than rape.
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i physically feel sick. How can these people do this :(
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Apr 9 2010, 12:46 AM
i physically feel sick. How can these people do this :(
The answer is simple, follow your prophet's acts to the letter :P !
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Wankers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is documented by Ayaan Hirsi Ali in "Infidel". I sent that book to my sister to read. My sister was sitting on the fence about EDL.

It's a very easy book to read - the first half is about Ayaan's life in Somalia, Saudi Arabia and Kenya (awful), the 2nd half is about how (like so many others) she lied to get asylum in the west. In the second half it is about how she becomes a Dutch MP, and voices a tiny amount of criticism about the way muslim men treat women. Since then she's been living her life under protection 24/7, because of the death threats against her from muslims. The Dutch government come out of it as a bunch of spineless cowards. No wonder Holland needs Geert Wilders.

My sister's no longer sitting on the fence.
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As much as this makes me feel physically sick, it just doesn't surprise, nothing those sick people do surprises me any more, they want finishing off for good
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"On the wedding night the new owner often has to cut his way in with a knife" ......

ewwwwww, that would put me right off
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I haven't seen the pics but what's the betting that this barbaric practise isn't classed as child abuse here?
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AMAZING ANTI-DHIMMITUDE FROM THE BBC!!!

The BBC has actually covered this story AND mentioned the I-word!

Does this herald a change of policy towards RoP, or is it just a momentary lapse of censorship?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8610491.stm


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I saw a tv programme a while back about the practice amongst Somali muslims living in Kenya, 1 in 10 of them die in childbirth due to the blood loss caused as a result of the earlier infibulation.
Worse still - it is happening in this country despite it having been illegal for 25 years - the police & medical profession don't do anything due to "cultural sensitivity".
I think EDL could have some placards denouncing this practice at their demos, also, we could start pulling up feminists and "Blairs Babes"/SWP etc on why they never object to this - after all - they are supposed to support women's liberation, are'nt they ?
Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world....
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Check this out:

http://www.nu.or.id/page.php?lang=en&menu=news_view&news_id=2206

Indonesian Islamic outfit approves child brides.
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Although this is usually done by the village witchdoctor using broken glass or old razor blades, wealthy parents can pay crooked doctors to do it surgically under anaesthetic, as the following picture demonstrates: WARNING - NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/08/female-circumcision-real-reason-why.html
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Male Muhammadan Muslims are indecently obsessed with the virginity of their females as if their honour and the honour of their families reside in the unbroken hymen of their women. That is why any infraction by a female that is deemed in any way shape or form dishonorable, they butcher that female as if she were a mere chicken.

For example, If a female fell in love with a Christian, or a Buddhist or a Hindu she is automatically soiled since a Muslim Woman can only marry a Muslim Man and no other. This contrasts with the fact that a Muslim Man can marry a Christian or a Jewish Woman. Another simple example. Especially in western societies, If a woman was very friendly with non muslim men or with very modern females, this too can be grounds for dishonourable conduct requiring the death penalty. Of course none of these rules are applied to the muslim men.
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Just to reply to the photo Peter has on his comment. I was in my doctor's waiting room the other day. There was a girl in a hijab in a push chair. She could not have been more than 2 years old.
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Just to reply to the photo Peter has on his comment. I was in my doctor's waiting room the other day. There was a girl in a hijab in a push chair. She could not have been more than 2 years old.
What other possible reason is there for wearing the hijab?

In the classic history of "The Life of Muhammad" (Sirat Rasul Allah) by Ibn Ishaq, there is an account in which Muhammad expressed a marital interest in a crawling baby. This event seems to have occurred around the time of the Battle of of Badr which would have made Muhammad approximately 55 years old. He had married Aisha two years earlier, when he was 53 years of age.

(Suhayli, ii. 79: In the riwaya of Yunus I. I. recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummu'lFadl) when she was a baby crawling before him and said, 'If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.' But he died before she grew up and Sufyan b. al-Aswad b. 'Abdu'l-Asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him Rizq and Lubab...

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FGM is sunnah can be found in Abu Dawud Book 41, Number 5251:
Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah:
A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.

Clear proof that Muhammad condoned this despicable practice.
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IM NOT EVEN READING THIS POST TILL LATER ON :X
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Apr 9 2010, 09:23 AM
As much as this makes me feel physically sick, it just doesn't surprise, nothing those sick people do surprises me any more, they want finishing off for good
my thoughts exactly, they declare war on us "infidels" for their wee book tells them to, we should declare war on all these sort of muzzies for humanitarian common decency!
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Just to reply to the photo Peter has on his comment. I was in my doctor's waiting room the other day. There was a girl in a hijab in a push chair. She could not have been more than 2 years old.
What other possible reason is there for wearing the hijab?

In the classic history of "The Life of Muhammad" (Sirat Rasul Allah) by Ibn Ishaq, there is an account in which Muhammad expressed a marital interest in a crawling baby. This event seems to have occurred around the time of the Battle of of Badr which would have made Muhammad approximately 55 years old. He had married Aisha two years earlier, when he was 53 years of age.

(Suhayli, ii. 79: In the riwaya of Yunus I. I. recorded that the apostle saw her (Ummu'lFadl) when she was a baby crawling before him and said, 'If she grows up and I am still alive I will marry her.' But he died before she grew up and Sufyan b. al-Aswad b. 'Abdu'l-Asad al-Makhzumi married her and she bore him Rizq and Lubab...

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FGM is sunnah can be found in Abu Dawud Book 41, Number 5251:
Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah:
A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.

Clear proof that Muhammad condoned this despicable practice.
I have used that sirat rasul quote many times in my debates with muslims that claim muhammed had no attraction to any other girls other than aisha! as if his attraction to one baby girl isnt bad enough :blink:
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Apr 9 2010, 12:35 AM
Worse than rape.
i agree hun. i was gonna say, its more or less abuse to their children.

f**king vile horrible tossers!
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just want to point out that this act pre-dates christianity, and is well documented thus. Common in the time of the Pharaohs. Its mainly confined to Africa and is culturally rather than religiously led.


some of the Islamic views:-
http://www.forwarduk.org.uk/key-issues/fgm/fgm-islam
http://www.iccservices.org.uk/news_and_events/updates/female_genital_mutilation.htm

An evil and barbaric practice, needs stopping!!
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Just when you thought Muslims couldnt get any sicker.....
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just want to point out that this act pre-dates christianity, and is well documented thus. Common in the time of the Pharaohs. Its mainly confined to Africa and is culturally rather than religiously led.


some of the Islamic views:-
http://www.forwarduk.org.uk/key-issues/fgm/fgm-islam
http://www.iccservices.org.uk/news_and_events/updates/female_genital_mutilation.htm

An evil and barbaric practice, needs stopping!!
Studio while it is true that most islamic schools of fiqh dont require fgm, the shafiya school of fiqh does indeed endorse the practice. the practice is rampant in areas under shafiya imam influence like indonesia keep in mind fgm only started in indonesia with islam and only muslims engage in the practice. it is also practiced in parts of bengladesh,pakistan in shia areas of s. lebanon and even the hijaz (saudi arabia) and jordan and of course the practice runs rampant in muslim ne africa.

In regards to your first link to quote a paragraph from it here it is: FGM has no link with Islam and is a neither a requirement nor a Sunna in Islam. All FGM related Hadith [1] that are allegedly attributed to Prophet Muhammad {Peace Be Upon Him} have been proved to be inauthentic."

That depends what imam you ask if it is a shafiya imam he will tell you the practice is endorsed by a solid isnad in the hadith.

Fiqh-us-Sunnah Fiqh 1.21a
Circumcision prevents dirt from getting on one’s penis, and also makes it easy to keep it clean. For women, it involves cutting the outer portion of the clitoris. Abu Hurairah reported that the Messenger of Allah said, “Ibrahim circumcised himself after he was eighty years old.” (Related by al-Bukhari.) Many scholars say that it is obligatory. The Shaf’iyyah maintains that it should be done on the seventh day. Says ash-Shaukani, “There is nothing that states explicitly its time or indicates that it is obligatory.”

and heres a hadith Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 5251 Narrated byUmm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah
A woman used to perform (female) circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.

So with the evidence presented the fgm problem is definately a unique problem amongst muslims.
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wrong, with Christians and animists within Africa also using the practice, its practice being pre-dated to Christianity, it is a more cultural practice.

One could argue that Mohammed was asking for the normal practice to be moderated and lessened as its not in the will of Allah...

We can stand here and use play ground politics to convince each other of islams barbarism, but with middle England you have to make sure your argument stands up to at least a couple of pages of google search. that's what they will do.

You can scream all you want, but the evidence is there that FGM is an African cultural practice. To try to deamonise it as Islamic will fall flat with middle England, especially as an illegal act within the UK.

http://www.jannah.org/genderequity/equityappendix.html




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wrong, with Christians and animists within Africa also using the practice, its practice being pre-dated to Christianity, it is a more cultural practice.

One could argue that Mohammed was asking for the normal practice to be moderated and lessened as its not in the will of Allah...

We can stand here and use play ground politics to convince each other of islams barbarism, but with middle England you have to make sure your argument stands up to at least a couple of pages of google search. that's what they will do.

You can scream all you want, but the evidence is there that FGM is an African cultural practice. To try to deamonise it as Islamic will fall flat with middle England, especially as an illegal act within the UK.





First of all indonesia is NOT a part of africa so your african cultural arguement flies out of the window on that one. I am telling you the shafiya school of fiqh adhere to the practice you can rant and rave all you want that is FACT! As far as fgm being practiced before christ in africa i am not disputing that but i am telling you islam spread the practice around.

I showed you the figh-us-sunnah there are muslim imams that are against ALL circumcision of both males and females there some like the hanafi believe men only should be circumcised but you will find groups of muslims OUTSIDE OF AFRICA engaging in the practice.
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Without pointing fingers, there's no need to start personally flaming about this important topic. We're learning a ton of stuff here, so let's keep it nice and informative :)
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Without pointing fingers, there's no need to start personally flaming about this important topic. We're learning a ton of stuff here, so let's keep it nice and informative :)
Yes i have to get offline right now for personal reasons I will keep it calm. when i come back. :D
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I have no doubt that it is practised here, underground. But you admit that not every Muslim takes part, how big a percentage? where is it practised? I have given you three sites that prove its a cultural practice, so I laugh at your feeble attempt to use it as proof of barbarism. (not a flame, but an indication of how its accepted. I tried to put it forward as a tester to some 'intelligent' mates. 5 mins on the mobile web and they laughed at the assertion)

Why use this as a factor, when there are so many other aspects to Islam that can not be called into question. Don't loose the listener by telling obvious half truths, middle England will check your statements. We will, and need to, expand, but can only do this with middle England. When the demonstrations are filling with middle class people, social acceptability follows. Until then the dogma the press prints will remain...
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Ok, I'll call you out.
Studio, please don't make this a personal issue. Let's just stick to finding out what the facts are and supplying proofs.

I'll admit my perspective was that this has also been an act of particular cultures within africa, but it seems it is not. Did it originate from Africa and did a particular culture export it? Or was it practiced globally by a particular culture but took off geographically in Africa?
It is obvious that this is neither an exclusively African nor Islamic practice.
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Soz, not going down the personal attack route, just trying to show how its accepted out side of here.

There is reference to the practice in the writings of the Pharaohs. With a lot of africa social references did not exist prior to religion reaching the area, as religion brought education.

I am really worried that this is made too big a deal of, it is not the exclusive property of islam. it is not widely practised within islam % wise. And as most UK residence collate Muslim with Pakistan it also fails being only practised by the bohra

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Cool. But where would you say is predominantly practiced now?
If someone mentioned this to you, what would you say is the culture synonymous with the practice? Or is it now as simple as that.
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Re Studios comments ; whilst one could argue that it is not mentioned in the koran, and was/is practied by other cultures then islam, the hard fact is that in many countries it IS justified by islam and muslims, and is largely associated with and practised by muslims - no amount of wordplay alters this fact.
Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world....
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I edited my previous post..

Still mainly an African problem, some Arabian nations as well. As Ethiopian, Kenyan Muslims move around the world the action spreads, but unicef and other bodies are heavily involved in breaking this practise via education... and making some big head ways
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This issue can be discussed two-fold. As an issue itself, which requires condemnation of all parties who apply it, no matter who they are. Then from the perspective of EDL - is this a practice that is justified by Islam and carried out by practitioners of and consistent with Islam? Do muslims or the Islamic hierarchy turn a blind eye to it or even accept it?
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some Christians practice it too... thats why I am saying leave it alone. Its condemned at the hight of both religions (if we exclude the nutters on both sides)
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With in Islam, its illegal to even get a tattoo, yet alone change your body (or any body elses). Male circumcision is required where as FGM is not.

Lets not forget that every religion bends its self to assimilate local cultures to ease its spread, hence xmas being 4 days after the winter solstice
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There is a difference between exclusivity and predominance.
I don't think it's something to be left alone in any circumstance and whoever carries it out.
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I think that it would have to be proved as an islamic action rather than cultural. If it is shown by circumstance to be the latter then the claims made here will fall on disparaging ears..
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By left alone, I mean leave it to the major bodies. We are not getting involved in the ped case in Catholicism at the moment, yet there are claims that the pope was fully aware of the current case.

Lets not leave ourselves open to claims of uneducated scaremongering, stick with the real problems, and the fundamentalists lest we water ourselves too weak
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That is horrible, a sick sick thing to do.
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Yes, disgusting. WHO, UNICEF and others work hard to educate governments and individuals as to its practise. work is being done, but it must be hard to undo a practice that cultures have performed for 2500+ yrs.

As yet I have failed to find conclusive proof of its practice in Britain. As the EDL I think its important that we link everything to England. That claims of Islamic compulsion be founded. In this case I can only find cultural history before Islam came to that country. All religions have been 'bent' to fit into the local cultures, with African Muslims having a completely different social understanding and religious ideology to the Asian and those to the former Yugoslavian ones.

It does worry me that the EDL is moving from extremism and Islamification of England to general Islamaphobia. Jumping on any article it can to demonise Islam, whether that can be held up as Islamic or not. Using various texts from the Qur'an as proof of evil whilst dismissing those who argue from within Islam itself against the text meaning as 'lying' to hide their true intention.


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Yes, disgusting. WHO, UNICEF and others work hard to educate governments and individuals as to its practise. work is being done, but it must be hard to undo a practice that cultures have performed for 2500+ yrs.

As yet I have failed to find conclusive proof of its practice in Britain. As the EDL I think its important that we link everything to England. That claims of Islamic compulsion be founded. In this case I can only find cultural history before Islam came to that country. All religions have been 'bent' to fit into the local cultures, with African Muslims having a completely different social understanding and religious ideology to the Asian and those to the former Yugoslavian ones.

It does worry me that the EDL is moving from extremism and Islamification of England to general Islamaphobia. Jumping on any article it can to demonise Islam, whether that can be held up as Islamic or not. Using various texts from the Qur'an as proof of evil whilst dismissing those who argue from within Islam itself against the text meaning as 'lying' to hide their true intention.


Female genital Mutilation IS being practised in the UK according to this Independant report ;
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-fails-to-halt-female-genital-mutilation-1845731.html

The truth is that it is largely practised by Somali muslims in the UK, and no other group.
Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world....
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Yes, and its up to the police to get their act together. All I am saying is that there is 1000 years plus of practice prior to Islam hitting the shores of some of these countries. It is not a solely Islamic problem. with over 3,000,000 Muslims in the country, 70,000 is quite a small %. With that % belonging predominantly to the Somali immigrants, we should be careful to not have our arguments dismissed as unfounded scaremongering.

FGM is a foul practise, and those upholding it should be imprisoned for society's protection. But it to my mind falls outside the EDL remit, the same way we are only interested in Islamic extremism not all religious fanaticism
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Re Studio's above comment ; if female genital mutilation is'nt islamic extremism, then I dont know what is !
Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world....
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Because its not Islamic, its cultural. But take the details to middle England and see where you get....
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Studio,

You seem to be working with some implicit notion of what is islamic extremism. The Contest 2 strategy said that muslim homophobia would be a sign of extremism, until muslim groups said "that would make us all extremists". Since not 1 in 1000 UK muslims is tolerant to homosexuality, the category of "moderate muslim" seems to me to be one that would not apply to very many muslims.

You say FGM is something for the police to sort out, yet we know full well that the police have been scared by the bogus claim of "islamophobia" so that they tread on egg-shells in any and all dealings with muslim. The entire concept of "islamophobia" needs to be utterly rejected within this forum as having any legitimacy. It is wrong to say that FGM is something that falls entirely within the jurisdiction of the police, when the police have been so deliberately hampered in doing their job by muslim constantly claiming to be victims.

There are hundreds of muslim pressure groups and associations in the UK. Can you show us one or two that are dedicated to preventing FGM in whatever community it occurs (although it is mostly going to be muslims who are involved in FGM)? It's easy enough for the organizations you listed to say it is an unislamic practice, and make claims that they provide educational services. But if they're not actually going out to the communities where it is practiced and opposing it, then they are not doing much to stop it.

Muslim groups seem to have plenty of money to build mega-mosques, islamic TV channels, subvert political parties. Where is the money they are spending to eradicated this practice that gives islam such a bad name and which you claim is not sanctioned by islam.

I'd go further. In my experience, male circumcision is also a bad thing. All the men I've met who have been circumcised (all muslim) have been left with scarring, and many have a lot of trouble having sexual enjoyment. Male circumcision should be seen as a form of child abuse. If someone was physically mutilating a little boy in any other circumstances we would be outraged. It too should be banned. If an adult man wants to get circumcised (or get a tattoo) that is his business. Parents should not have the right to do this to their children without medical grounds.

I realise full well that male circumcision in the UK is not confined to muslims. It should be outlawed except for medical reasons. The doctors making the medical decision should not be jews or muslims.
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Not all mutilators are Muslim, and not all Muslims are mutilators.
Not all acid throwers are Muslims, and not all Muslims are acid throwers.
Not all honour murderers are Muslims, and not all Muslims are daughter-slaughterers.
Not all suicide bombers are Muslims, and not all Muslims are suicide bombers.

Nevertheless, with all these abominations, there is a very high correlation with Islam.
Islam may not be the only factor involved, but it is a BIG part of the problems.


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Because its not Islamic, its cultural. But take the details to middle England and see where you get....
Are you authorised to rule on matters of ijma? Can you provide proof that ALL major schools of fiqh are unanimous regarding the issue of khafd?

Until you can provide evidence of consensus among the scholars, or a definite prohibition ruling through the process of ijtihad, your claim that khafd is "unislamic" is both incorrect and misleading.



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