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Sexual Perversion in Islam
Topic Started: Apr 5 2010, 04:11 PM (415 Views)
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http://web.archive.org/web/20080611173858/http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Islamic-sexual-perversion.htm

Pedophilia

Let me begin with a quote from a fatwa by the late and unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran.

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."


what do the UAF soap dodgers think about this as they are mostly teachers??????????? or are they in on it? scary thought? :blink:
"Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." George Orwell
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I have never heard any UAF , or moderate muslim for that matter ever give a reasonable answer to what Mohammed did with Aisha. Its even hard to get info off the net tho i did eventually.

Just what does a muslim scholar say about this???
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dirty sick f**king child molestors no other word for them :allah:
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islam is itself a sexual perversion, period !
Why we love pigs ! Video
France Against Islamists !!
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Apr 5 2010, 04:14 PM
I have never heard any UAF , or moderate muslim for that matter ever give a reasonable answer to what Mohammed did with Aisha. Its even hard to get info off the net tho i did eventually.

Just what does a muslim scholar say about this???
I think they agree Mohammed was a paedo then fatwa yo ass for pointing it out.
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I think people on here need to be wary of trying to find the worst bits of Islamic teaching and presenting them as evidence on why Islam is bad in this country.
I challenge anyone to find 10 British Muslims who sincerely agree with that sentiment.

No one on here quotes the nasty bits of the bible as evidence of Christianity's problems...
No one on here quotes those wacky American evangelical preachers who hate gays, abortionists, heretics and the like.

If this movement really wants moderate Muslims on board this is not the way to go about it.
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Apr 5 2010, 04:49 PM
No one on here quotes the nasty bits of the bible as evidence of Christianity's problems...
No one on here quotes those wacky American evangelical preachers who hate gays, abortionists, heretics and the like.
I touched on these and got shouted down and called a c**t.
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Apr 5 2010, 04:49 PM
I think people on here need to be wary of trying to find the worst bits of Islamic teaching and presenting them as evidence on why Islam is bad in this country.
I challenge anyone to find 10 British Muslims who sincerely agree with that sentiment.

No one on here quotes the nasty bits of the bible as evidence of Christianity's problems...
No one on here quotes those wacky American evangelical preachers who hate gays, abortionists, heretics and the like.

If this movement really wants moderate Muslims on board this is not the way to go about it.
going onto the bible.....i cant find anything nasty in at all.if you can point it out and we will discuss in a civil manner.


those wacky American evangelical preachers who hate gays, abortionists.i think on the gay part i f**king hate them to not gays but the pricks who talk all the s**t about killing them drive them away from society.abortionists i do hold my reservationson this subject because they are not all the same.start a thread in the discussions section away from the every day genral talk and see how it goes?

EDIT:I challenge anyone to find 10 British Muslims who sincerely agree with that sentiment.

if we find them you will not put out a fatwa ?thats why they dont surface the are not stupid,but i would say wise would you.

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Apr 5 2010, 04:49 PM
I think people on here need to be wary of trying to find the worst bits of Islamic teaching and presenting them as evidence on why Islam is bad in this country.
I challenge anyone to find 10 British Muslims who sincerely agree with that sentiment.

No one on here quotes the nasty bits of the bible as evidence of Christianity's problems...
No one on here quotes those wacky American evangelical preachers who hate gays, abortionists, heretics and the like.

If this movement really wants moderate Muslims on board this is not the way to go about it.
I don't recall there being any mention of paedophilia by Jesus or any of his followers in the Bible do you?

After Gary Glitter was found out for the dirty, sick f**ker that he is, people stopped buying his records and radio stations stopped playing them...

But Muslims STILL speak of Mohammed like he is the messiah and very few of them accept that in reality he was a dirty old f**king pedo that liked young girls.

No wonder they don't like images of him. Every time I see a picture of Gary Glitter my skin crawls and I am sick in my mouth a little so I understand how they feel.

If it were one of mine that did that I would be f**king ashamed as well!
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Apr 5 2010, 05:02 PM
going onto the bible.....i cant find anything nasty in at all.if you can point it out and we will discuss in a civil manner.
In all seriousness you haven't read properly it if you think there's nothing nasty in it.
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paxi christi
Apr 5 2010, 05:02 PM
going onto the bible.....i cant find anything nasty in at all.if you can point it out and we will discuss in a civil manner.
In all seriousness you haven't read properly it if you think there's nothing nasty in it.
kindly quote me the bible?old or new testament first.then i wil answer again accordingly
like i say take it into discussions then let the games begin..DING,DING ;)
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Apr 5 2010, 05:12 PM
kindly quote me the bible?old or new testament first.then i wil answer again accordingly
like i say take it into discussions then let the games begin..DING,DING ;)
It's off topic... but:

Rape victims must marry their rapist and can never divorce:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:28-29&version=NIV

Non believers should be put to death (sound familiar?):
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Chronicles%2015:12-13&version=NIV

God sends bears to kill ASBO kids:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings%202:23-24&version=NIV

Jesus was sent to divide families:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2012:51-53&version=NIV

A few more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmhFniUTQIE
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Apr 5 2010, 05:22 PM
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Apr 5 2010, 05:12 PM
kindly quote me the bible?old or new testament first.then i wil answer again accordingly
like i say take it into discussions then let the games begin..DING,DING ;)
It's off topic... but:

Rape victims must marry their rapist and can never divorce:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:28-29&version=NIV

Non believers should be put to death (sound familiar?):
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Chronicles%2015:12-13&version=NIV

God sends bears to kill ASBO kids:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings%202:23-24&version=NIV

Jesus was sent to divide families:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2012:51-53&version=NIV

A few more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmhFniUTQIE
you know what. you have just proved to me you know absolutley f**k all about being a christian.you are a copy and paste man who goes to the google and gets the first thing that hits him in the face.you dont tell me what denomination this christian web site is in fact you are telling me (please take this the right way )that you dislike the religion of christ.well thats your shout.



ut ill tell you what im not a layman or preacher if you really do want to know about being a christian or the likes go to church and ask the priest,vicar,reverand ;) :)

and i dont think that you will find the answers in a matter of minutes or days,you have too learn by living the gospels
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I see you didn't click the links then. The website was a Bible study site, not of one 'denomination', where you can choose which translation of the bible to read. Go ahead, try it.

I don't see how your request (pointing out the 'nasty bits') can be responded to in any other way than to point out the nasty bits. Which is what I did. Well, I only pointed out a few... there are countless more.
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go and find me nasty bits in the new testament please i await for you arrival
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Will do. In fact one of the above was New Testament.

Are you saying that anything that the Old Testament says should be disregarded? Or only the bits which modern morality deems 'bad'?
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Slaves should submit to their masters
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%206:5&version=NIV

Women should shut up
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%2014:34&version=NIV


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Apr 5 2010, 05:45 PM
Will do. In fact one of the above was New Testament.

Are you saying that anything that the Old Testament says should be disregarded? Or only the bits which modern morality deems 'bad'?
then show me the one above and put it in your or my lifes perspective.

EDIT:one thing my dad always said to me and its comming in thick and fast the memory now.lol.dont argue with a fool.he will drag you down to his level then beat you on experience.good day
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Are you calling me a fool?
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sorry maybe not a fool but foolish.go to church find out.
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"anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:22&version=NIV
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the copy and paste bragade again lolololol.f**k off
make a thread in discussions or topics.its not for genral chat.how old are you?really?
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You're the one who posed the questions.

I don't see how someone is supposed to answer a request for bible passages without using the copy and paste function? Would you prefer me to read it aloud and upload an mp3?

Thanks for keeping it civil and for giving me such solid responses. Oh wait...
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Apr 5 2010, 06:07 PM
You're the one who posed the questions.

I don't see how someone is supposed to answer a request for bible passages without using the copy and paste function? Would you prefer me to read it aloud and upload an mp3?

Thanks for keeping it civil and for giving me such solid responses. Oh wait...
lololol this is the last one then you can say what you like i will not take your bait.


you cant put any thing you have shown me into your life and say yes this is right or this is wrong.because you dont believe in anything(GOD)of any kind.so you came from nothing going no were and that is were you end up isnt it nowhere?your here to distroy with your incapability to even concieve the fact that man has a soul,or conciense.give us a piece of you in your writing not copy and paste and say thats me(meaning you)i dont want to know if you can read or write.i want to know you?but then you came from nothing going to no were .
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I beg your pardon? You asked for examples of nastiness in the bible. I don't appear in the bible.
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Paxi Christi - all of your pro Christianity arguments can, and are, applied by Muslim apologists. You can talk about how Christians only use the teachings that hold up in todays soceity. And that's fine, but you need to understand that Muslims do exactly the same thing.

A work colleague of mine is Pakistani born, we got talking about girls, gambling and drinking. After that I said to him, "so you're not a Muslim then". He responded that he is, but has a selective interpretation of the teachings. That sounds like every Christian I know.

The majority of Muslims in this country aren't a problem. Yes their religion has dark roots, but so do all the Abrahimic religions. They come from days where slavery, spreading the gospel by the sword, subjugation of women etc. were all prevalent activities.

And for the record I think badly of all religions, but I don't think Islam is much worse than Christianity. The problem for me is that in the west we have had the renaissance, and the church has lost a hell of a lot of its power. It has also liberalised a lot of teachings (homosexuality and the position of women, for example). This means that the Christian church can exsist in a society that values freedom of speech and expression so highly.

With Islam none of the power has been lost, in the middle east (Saudi, Iran et al) the Religious leaders have a hell of a lot of power, and the only justification they need is the ahadith or the Qu'ran. Also, Islam stands at odds with freedom of speech (Mohammad can't be criticised etc.), freedom of religion (apostasy is a crime) and freedom of expression (dancing is prohibited, as it depiction of the Prophet).
The fact that this country is importing these teachings from the Wahabi school (and other conservative sects), without going being sanitised or made compatible with western values is the problem. Your average British Muslim is not a problem in this country in my opinion.
Anyway, I'm getting miles off point here!
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im not against muslims.bloody hell no .im against islam,sharia.i have lots of muslim mates and they are bang on.they tell me all about islam,but they are afraid they will get attacked daily or at least there family will.they are not stupid but they do tell islams secrects.
nice to meet you any way
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Although Christianity has its problems with paedo priests etc the corruption within Islam goes back to its very origin, and runs all the way through.

Islam has no other foundattion than Mohammed's word that he received revelations from Allah, and that he was the 'Perfect Man' and 'Seal of the Prophets' (he trumped Jesus who was relegated to being a minor prophet).

Unfortunately for the credibility of Islam, paedophiles are notorious liars and conmen. The traditional stereotype of the paedo as a wierdo in a dirty raincoat is not always true, and many of them are smooth talkers who appear trustworthy.

Mohammed, the role model for all Muslims, rubbed himself off between Aisha's thighs between the ages of six and nine, and raped her when she was nine. http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/mufa-khathat-cleaning-mess-up.html


The whole Islamic religion rests on the word and example of that pervert.

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Apr 5 2010, 04:14 PM
I have never heard any UAF , or moderate muslim for that matter ever give a reasonable answer to what Mohammed did with Aisha. Its even hard to get info off the net tho i did eventually.

Just what does a muslim scholar say about this???
I have never had an answer to this.

It may be selective picking from the koran but surely the answer is yes or no?????
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You're right, most of the teachings come from him.
What I am trying to stress is that the majority of British Muslims can see through that, they don't follow the teachings because he was a nonce, but they follow them in spite of that.
Religious people of all denominations gloss over a hell of a lot of bad (by todays standards) things done by the forefathers of their religion.
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so thats a yes then.

In all honesty if i found jesus had done that i would renounce my catholocism immediately.

I know all religions gloss over certain things and yes I have used condoms etc etc

on a personal level I feel I have to draw the line somewhere.
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Do you not think though that by drawing the line there that you are turning to every Muslim in the country and saying "you follow the word of a perv, therefore everything you say I can disregard".
This seems like a very alienating poisition, and an attempt to demonise all Muslims because of the actions of a man that lived about 1500 years ago.

Your pope has made a safe haven for pedophiles, has contributed massively to the spread of aids in Africa, has colluded to cover up abuse in areas under his jurisdiction and more.
But I don't hold that against you as a Catholic.

In the same way I don't think that todays Muslims should be hated on because of The Prophet Mohammad's actions.
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Apr 5 2010, 07:05 PM
Do you not think though that by drawing the line there that you are turning to every Muslim in the country and saying "you follow the word of a perv, therefore everything you say I can disregard".
This seems like a very alienating poisition, and an attempt to demonise all Muslims because of the actions of a man that lived about 1500 years ago.

Your pope has made a safe haven for pedophiles, has contributed massively to the spread of aids in Africa, has colluded to cover up abuse in areas under his jurisdiction and more.
But I don't hold that against you as a Catholic.

In the same way I don't think that todays Muslims should be hated on because of The Prophet Mohammad's actions.
Yes i do think EVERY muslim who follows the word of mohammed the prophet is wrong to do so.

Has the pope made mistakes? Possibly? I am watching it with interest as you can imagine.

Even the papal position is transient though and he is still a flesh and blood representative of God, not a prophet.

I think catholic africans should use condoms - but thats my opinion.

Lastly, I don't 'hate muslims' I just cannot reconcile that anyone could follow mohammeds word when coupled with his actions.

To me its VERY VERY wrong.
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You're right, most of the teachings come from him.
What I am trying to stress is that the majority of British Muslims can see through that, they don't follow the teachings because he was a nonce, but they follow them in spite of that.
Religious people of all denominations gloss over a hell of a lot of bad (by todays standards) things done by the forefathers of their religion.
Don't you agree that if they are going to teach children about Islam that they should be teaching them not to accept sweets from or talk to anybody called Mohammed?

Getting back to my main point. If Gary Glitter was your spiritual leader, would you trust him babysitting?

Then why accept scripture from him?

A nonce is a nonce by any standards, no matter how many centuries have passed by he's still a kiddy fiddler and if you worship him then you are no better imo. :blink:
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Paedophiles are devious and manipulative. Would you buy a second-hand religion from one? And Islam is a second-hand religion. It's made up of bits of Christianity and Judaism (often corrupted and garbled) cobbled together with Mohammed's increasingly violent rantings.

Regarding corrupt popes and priests -
If the source of a river is clean, and it gets polluted downstream, it can always be cleaned up by removing the source of pollution.

But if the source itself is polluted, the stream can never be cleaned up. Islam is a stream that is polluted from its very origin.

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Islam is a stream that is polluted from its very origin.

Try telling them that ;)
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You're right, most of the teachings come from him.
What I am trying to stress is that the majority of British Muslims can see through that, they don't follow the teachings because he was a nonce, but they follow them in spite of that.
Religious people of all denominations gloss over a hell of a lot of bad (by todays standards) things done by the forefathers of their religion.
Don't you agree that if they are going to teach children about Islam that they should be teaching them not to accept sweets from or talk to anybody called Mohammed?

Getting back to my main point. If Gary Glitter was your spiritual leader, would you trust him babysitting?

Then why accept scripture from him?

A nonce is a nonce by any standards, no matter how many centuries have passed by he's still a kiddy fiddler and if you worship him then you are no better imo. :blink:
I think that "no better than him" attitude is wrong for a couple of reasons. Firstly, at that time a child of 9 years old wasn't all that young. This was in a time where most girls would be having kids fairly soon after they started menstruating.
At the time, he was probably pushing his luck a bit, but he wasn't doing anything exceptional.
Just to be clear I don't condone his actions, but I realise that the middle eastern world 1500 years ago is very different to England today, and more importantly I think the majority of Muslims realise this.

Which kind of takes me on to my next point, because religious followers are willing to glorify people and gloss over things, they're not worshiping or following a pedophile, they're following someone they believe was a messenger from god. They are worshiping their interpretation of this man.
Taking this aggressive attitude against his actions because we're judging him by todays standards will mean no Muslim really wants to align with this group.

Another thing, Mohammad probably wasn't a pedo, all his other wives were of ages we would consider normal. There is no mention of obsession with pre-pubescant girls. The aisha thing seems f**ked to us, but he waited a few years after marriage before having sex. By the standards of the time he was living in what he did was probably normal.
Pedophiles, by definition, are only aroused by pre-pubescents.

The Gary Glitter point,,, I don't get it. Why would anyone trust their child with a known pedophile? And what does that have to do with sexual perversion in Islam?
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You're right, most of the teachings come from him.
What I am trying to stress is that the majority of British Muslims can see through that, they don't follow the teachings because he was a nonce, but they follow them in spite of that.
Religious people of all denominations gloss over a hell of a lot of bad (by todays standards) things done by the forefathers of their religion.
Don't you agree that if they are going to teach children about Islam that they should be teaching them not to accept sweets from or talk to anybody called Mohammed?

Getting back to my main point. If Gary Glitter was your spiritual leader, would you trust him babysitting?

Then why accept scripture from him?

A nonce is a nonce by any standards, no matter how many centuries have passed by he's still a kiddy fiddler and if you worship him then you are no better imo. :blink:
I think that "no better than him" attitude is wrong for a couple of reasons. Firstly, at that time a child of 9 years old wasn't all that young. This was in a time where most girls would be having kids fairly soon after they started menstruating.
At the time, he was probably pushing his luck a bit, but he wasn't doing anything exceptional.
Just to be clear I don't condone his actions, but I realise that the middle eastern world 1500 years ago is very different to England today, and more importantly I think the majority of Muslims realise this.

Which kind of takes me on to my next point, because religious followers are willing to glorify people and gloss over things, they're not worshiping or following a pedophile, they're following someone they believe was a messenger from god. They are worshiping their interpretation of this man.
Taking this aggressive attitude against his actions because we're judging him by todays standards will mean no Muslim really wants to align with this group.

Another thing, Mohammad probably wasn't a pedo, all his other wives were of ages we would consider normal. There is no mention of obsession with pre-pubescant girls. The aisha thing seems f**ked to us, but he waited a few years after marriage before having sex. By the standards of the time he was living in what he did was probably normal.
Pedophiles, by definition, are only aroused by pre-pubescents.

The Gary Glitter point,,, I don't get it. Why would anyone trust their child with a known pedophile? And what does that have to do with sexual perversion in Islam?
He was supposedly in his 50's while she was 9 years old ffs.

Tell me that aint a predatory paedophile 'grooming' a young girl and her family just so he can get what he wants.

Come here little girl I'm the messiah?
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I think people on here need to be wary of trying to find the worst bits of Islamic teaching and presenting them as evidence on why Islam is bad in this country.
I challenge anyone to find 10 British Muslims who sincerely agree with that sentiment.

No one on here quotes the nasty bits of the bible as evidence of Christianity's problems...
No one on here quotes those wacky American evangelical preachers who hate gays, abortionists, heretics and the like.

If this movement really wants moderate Muslims on board this is not the way to go about it.
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I think people on here need to be wary of trying to find the worst bits of Islamic teaching and presenting them as evidence on why Islam is bad in this country.
I challenge anyone to find 10 British Muslims who sincerely agree with that sentiment.


I would like you to find 10 muslims that would speak out against what mohamed did instead of making up wild excuses.

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No one on here quotes the nasty bits of the bible as evidence of Christianity's problems


Thats because Christians are not causing problems every where in the world, they are not taking over muslim countries by birth rates, they are not building more and more churches in muslims lands for their ever increasing population

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No one on here quotes those wacky American evangelical preachers who hate gays, abortionists, heretics and the like.


Thats because thay are plain and simply "wacky" as you said

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If this movement really wants moderate Muslims on board this is not the way to go about it.


I would prefeere we concentraited on the victims of islam first
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going onto the bible.....i cant find anything nasty in at all.if you can point it out and we will discuss in a civil manner.
In all seriousness you haven't read properly it if you think there's nothing nasty in it.
You would have to read it rather than search the islam backed sites you proberly are. go get a copy and check for yourself if these internet sites you read are telling you the truth
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"anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5:22&version=NIV
And you are compairing that with what, kill all infidels, jews are pigs
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@alexvegas You say and I quote your words here.....

'Rape victims must marry their rapist and can never divorce'

Is this something you stand by. Are you that evil that you would do that to someone?

Or am I misquoting your own words - taking them out of context. Because that is exactly what you are doing with every quote you take from the bible you are taking it without looking at the whole of the surrounding text and what it says.

By so taking things out of their context you can say all sorts of things and make things look bad when in fact they are actually the opposite.

Your hatred of the bible and of Christianity in particular shows your general ignorance of Christianity, Judeo-Christian teaching and of course the very book you are trying to slag off. You really should take a few days and read the texts you quote in their full context and then you will have your eyes opened to the truth.

The bible is in no way comparable to the hate-filled, bigotted, racsist and perverted Koran. If you wish to continue with the debate with someone who actually knows the bible then please PM and I will be happy to oblige you. Otherwise stop making the fatuous comments that you make.
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Perhaps it should be understood that the words, example and life of Christ are the foundations of Christianity.

He Himself is the revelation to Christians.

The koran is the revelation to muslims.

A loathsome book full of inconsistencies and bile and given to us by a man who quite frankly was nothing but a nasty piece of work if I am being generous.

So who between Jesus Christ and Mohammed can be considered truly a man of God ? And would God wish His revelation to be in the form of an inconsistent book to be read in only one language, or would it be through a supreme example transcending language and time ?
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The Ayatollah's ruling on marriage, and in addition that story that he enjoyed non-penetrative sex with a 4 year old girl, has been doing the internet rounds so I looked around for a Muslim refutation and posted on Shia and Sunni forums to ask whether these stories and rulings were correct. I couldn't find any refutation on the internet, and the Shias wouldn't respond to my questions (although they are very happy to reply to my other questions and have happily challenged false stories previously). The Sunni forums had no answer too. I therefore find myself coming to the amazing conclusion that these stories and rulings are genuine. Bear in mind that the Ayatollah only has authority within the Shia sect though, not the majority Sunni sect. Shias account for about 15% of the world's muslims (Sunnis therefore 85%), and this proportion holds true for the UK too.

Click here for a link to a post I made explaining the Sunni view on the age when sex is allowed.
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The Ayatollah Khomeini wrote a book of these rulings. It was a green book I believe so it is very real. And if you scour the internet you will find countless examples of young girls being married off to old men. The worst offenders are the Saudis, the Yemeni's and the South Asians north of India.
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curiousEDL, you have some very valid questions and I agree with almost everything you say. Despite the stated aims of EDL I do see a lot of hatred of all muslims here. I don't know whether this is just an indication of an open forum and mixed bag of people, or whether it says something more about what EDL are really about. There are people who oppose extreme islam only rather than all muslims though. I would love to see moderate Muslims join the EDL as it is my belief that they are the best force to oppose extreme islam (which I abhor) and furthermore that the aggressive anti-islam views expressed by some on here drive more muslims to the extremists.

You are quite right that back in the ol' days 9 may not be an unusual age for consummating marriage, although I think that may be pushing it a bit. However, and this is a big however, part of Islam is the acceptance of the principles of Sharia, which quite clearly state that a marriage can be consummated as soon as the wife has started to menstruate. This isn't an extremist view, this is just the view that every (Sunni at least) Muslim has to agree with, unless they're some looney fringe that thinks that in those days a '1' was often left off the front of a person's age (I have come across that view and include it to be as fair as I can). So we're not talking about some historical age limit here, we're talking about what the ideal state would have as its age limit for sex should Islam be realised in all its glory.
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First of all I am not religious. To the one who posted stuff from the Bible. NONE of that applies or is enforced TODAY! certainly not in Britain (and I doubt it has applied here in the past) Church and state are separated. Meaning religious laws have no effect and are NOT enforced

What was posted was probably OLD TESTAMENT Mosaic laws which relate to the Jewish TORAH (Old testament) - Talmud religious laws. These laws have nothing to do with NEW TESTAMENT Christianity..

The difference with Islam is that Church and state are not separated. RELIGIOUS LAW (SHARIA) is the law! in Islamic countries.

And even if there is some kind of secular (governmental laws) many Muslims will still live by and enforce SHARIAH! rather than follow man made laws.

See they claim the Koran and Sharia is Allah's laws (God's law) therefore take priority over man made laws (such as democracy or any other law)



Fact - Child brides of Islam is legalised pedophilia.
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See they claim the Koran and Sharia is Allah's laws (God's law) therefore take priority over man made laws (such as democracy or any other law)

Muslims now have part Sharia law courts in Britain. Honor killings, child brides married abroad and then imported. Female genital mutilation, all are illegal here yet some Muslims practice this. Because Shariah in their eyes is above the British law.
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I don't care what anyone says - the prophet mohammed was 53 when he married aisha.

I have heard all the arguments and I do accept that being a pedophile means a liking for pre-pubescent girls.

And even now the age of consent differs around the world.

That said even considering that times change and cultures evolve can anyone seriously justify a r/ship between 53 and 6yo????

Am liberal but f**k me! I don't think 14 and 17 is that bad - depends on the people.

I think 16 and 56 is very wrong.

In other words its a judgement call morally.

If you can justify 53 and 6yo please reply..........
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no one in their right mind can justify a sexual relationship between a man of 53 and a child of 6 it's disgusting
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