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Topic Started: Apr 4 2010, 03:39 AM (1,880 Views)
isaiahreborn
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mankytoes
Apr 6 2010, 05:07 PM
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Apr 6 2010, 02:55 PM
I don't think MT has any good points. He's come on here to challenge us as though we are all prejudiced and are all BNP supporters. It looks like I'll be voting LibDem again this time. He claims he's a politics student and is concerned about islam. He's got every reason (time, library, internet, interest) to be able to find out the truth about the islamic threat in europe, but he'd rather just stick with his own prejudices. So here we go again, having to lay out what the issues are for someone who should (and probably does) know the truth.

At the moment it's (mostly) not about conversions. It's a question of immigration (legal and illegal), the immigration of "dependent relatives" and spouses, and the greater birth rate. When the number of muslims gets to 40% or so, it will be about forced conversions (just as is happening in some prisons already). And that 40% population will be reached far sooner than most of us are prepared to acknowledge.

Muslims like Anjem Choudary know full well the muslim population of Britain has exploded. That's why he is so confident in his assertion that we are headed for civil war. Muslims like Shahid Malik are so confident of the number of muslims growing that he's predicted there will be a muslim PM by 2040. They might appear to be on opposite sides, and to project different futures, but they are basing it on the same statistics.

There is plenty of evidence to explain why these muslims have this confidence:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5621482.ece
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8558590.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html
http://halalfocus.net/2006/05/06/uk-halal-meat-report/

There is plenty of evidence that muslims are failing to integrate, and that their attitudes are widely discordant with those of the general population:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1553712/Time-to-confront-the-Muslim-conspiracists.html

There is plenty of evidence that muslims in Europe dislike europeans far more than europeans dislike muslims (this report was done after the London and Madrid bombings):
http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Widespread-Negativity-Muslims-Distrust-Westerners-More-than-Vice-Versa.aspx

There is plenty of evidence to demonstate that the muslims born here are more radical then the previous generation:
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6309983.stm

Mankytoes is prejudiced. The irony is he thinks he is a free-thinker. His prejudice is that all people are the same, and are fundamentally good and just want to get along, and that our society is just going to trundle along getting better. But who would have thought 20 years ago that authors, film-makers and cartoonists in western europe would face execution and censorship for their work, that governments would seek to ban clothing, Lords would be threatening insurrection, and that young men who were born here would be blowing up themselves and others for we know not what. At least the IRA had a set of demands that could have been fulfilled. The demands of islamists will not be fulfilled until the whole word is crushed under the oldest form of fascism.

He's in for a rude awakening. Just wait until the truth comes out in the census. The reality of how little time we've got before an islamic party becomes the government is going to shock everyone. A mini-census was done in York last year: the muslim population has gone up from 2.5% in 2001 to 10% in 2009. I still see no reason for me to doubt that the census will show 10% of the population is muslim. And the election after that will be won by the BNP. It is shocking to see what our treacherous politicians and media have brought about.

And just like he arrogantly dismissed my points about the BNP's trajectory, the BNP this morning confirms what I've been saying since last summer (that they will get about 12% of the vote):
http://bnp.org.uk/2010/04/bnp-could-secure-12-vote-share/

Appeasement has not worked. If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.
I think that's so unfair, i'm trying to give you all a fair show here. What do you mean i'm "claiming" i'm a politics student? You're sounding paranoid. I've studied Islam a fair amount, and you're totally discounting everything i've said just because i've came to a different conclusion to yourself. Your view there is pretty clear to me- if you don't agree with me, i'm going to insult you. How am I the prejudice one? I'm not prejudice against anyone. I disagree with your politics, but not because of prejudice, I just don't like them.

"Forced convertions" is fiction. There's no such thing. Religious belief is a state of mind, you can't force someone to believe something. You can force someone to act in a certain way, that doesn't make them that religion. As for the birthrate thing, it's a clever trick with numbers. Catholics have the same beliefs about contraception, and people said the EXACT SAME THING- they'd outbreed "us"- protestants- and take over. It hasn't happened for the same reason what you're scared of won't- money. Catholics don't want eight children, because eight children costs a f**king fortune, and they don't want to suffer through life, they want a little luxury, also raising children is difficult and stressful. So the kids of these huge families have two kids. Muslims will do the same. Immigration should be lower, I don't dispute that, but again, the stats can be misleading, because a lot of immigrants and children of immigrants emigrate- our emigration rates are also very high- and a lot of those are immigrants going back. And of course, there's the fact that western society, with its freedoms, is generally attractive to young people, and I can see for myself muslims my age who want to be part of this society, perhaps more than their parents.

Last census said 2.8% of this country are muslim. I know we've just had a period of increase, but 40% is quite a claim. Population trends vary, they don't tend to keep going. Politicians have largely ignored immigration issues, because it's controversial and they are scared of saying the wrong thing, but that is starting to end aswell.

I've never said there aren't significant problems regarding Islam.

I've never said i'm a "free-thinker", and one thing I do resent is being told what I think. If you want to know what I think, ask me. I try to be a free thinker, I think most of us do, to get balanced views, but that's very difficult I find. All the things you name there aren't widespread trends- there's been one cartoon controversy, one set of terrorist attacks by muslims in this country.

"The demands of islamists will not be fulfilled until the whole word is crushed under the oldest form of fascism."- well think about it then. Is Islam going to take over the world? Of course not- history teaches us world domination is pretty much impossible. The mongols, the Romans, the Macedonians, all stronger and more fearsome, and much, much better organised, than the rag tag group that is Islamic terrorists.

"The oldest form of fascism", sorry, but you're showing ignorance here. Look up the Roman Empire to start with.

Well we only have to wait a few years to see who is wrong and who is right, so there isn't any point arguing that one, suffice to say I strongly disagree, and consider that fearmongering.

I'm not dismissing it, i'm telling you facts. Nick Griffin got less votes last European Election than he did the one before. That's factual.
mankytoes really should not be spouting on here particularly because at his age he tends to look on ANYTHING with rose-tinted spectacles and he is doing his level best(which is not a very good best) to argue the toss from a very weak standpoint. Firstly, he very obviously has read very little or nothing of the suras of the Qu'ran which deal with other religions and none, the rights of women(virtually none(- Burkhari vol 1 no 301(Allah's Apostle said "Oh women give alms as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you women. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you". the Islamic law as contained in shari'a, punishment of certain crimes by execution and stoning plus amputation of limbs and mutilation, slavery(allowed by Muhammad), apostasy from Islam, Jews considered pigs and rats,paedophila and marriage to a nine year old by Muhammad, Muhammad's claim to be white-there are many learned books written on these subjects by the members of Former Muslims United, the leader of this movement being Wafa Sultan, the lady Muslim apostate who is testifying on behalf of Geert Wilders at his trial which is the subject of much concern by Islamists as they really fear what she says.

Secondly, Mankytoes is arguing against members who have forgotten far more about Islam than he is ever likely to learn in a month of Sundays. Give him another 20 years and this innocent-if he survives that long- will either have joined the UAF-or seen sense and become a bitter opponent of Islam -the greatest embodiment of Fascism since Nazism or Oswald Mosley and his British Union of Fascists.
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mankytoes
Apr 7 2010, 03:32 PM
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Apr 7 2010, 03:09 PM
And once again, your pompous ass is hanging out for all to see.

I've lived in majority muslim areas for 25 out of 30 years, even in foreign countries. One of my best friends is married to a muslim. I have another friend who is married to a muslim. My last two long-term relationships were with muslims. When I was at university 30 years ago, I shared a house with a muslim; my sister was dating a muslim for 2 of those years. I've travelled in muslim countries. I've known muslims from pakistan, bangladesh, zimbabwe, brunei, malaysia, morrocco, france, iran, turkey, singapore, thailand.

My house has muslim neighbours on both sides. When there is trouble in the neighbourhood, I'm the one who stands up for them. For 20 years I was arguing with white people for tolerance of muslims. I've converted rabid racists into being anti-racist; they've subsequently gone on to have great friendships with muslims.

You have so little experience of life, you think everyone else is as stupid and naive as you are. You think my hostility to islamization is based on my own ignorance of muslims. It is a pathetic prejudice on your part. And very offensive.

Your parents must have been so glad to pack your arrogant ass off to university. It's perfectly clear that nothing will shake your arrogance. Consider this my last response to you.
For a patriot, you use the most Americanised insults. Arse, please.

Seeing as you've said so many things about me which were incorrect, you throwing your dolly out the pram because i've done one back is pretty petulant, but that's your choice.

I don't understand why you keep using the word "pompous"- it seemed to start when I said I read politics at university. I'm not trying to boast, it's factual. I don't think i'm better, or more intelligent, than you. I'm only saying you are wrong on one specific subject.

PJS, the Shariah law thing was a big misunderstanding mainly. The government were starting Shariah courts, which have a tiny amount of power, and the reason for that is, quite reasonably, muslims wanted the same level of religious independance as jews have. I don't want any religious courts, but if you give them to jews, you have to give them to muslims too. The archbishop was obviously not saying he wanted Shariah Law to rule the country, that would be ridiculous. First comment on your link I thought was very good-

"Why is everyone gone so against and so upset over someone just saying something? Freedom of speech? It is just a suggestion on a few aspects of life that may be the case, Not Everything! However, I am a Muslim in Britain and I abide by rules of this land, even Islamically we are told by scriptures that we should abide by the laws of the land that we live in; even if not Islamic! So long as we are free to practice peacefully our faith then its fine"
Appreciate your points, however, I do not think you can compare Jewish law with the Sha'ria - I am not an expert BTW, however, feast your eyes on the link below and see what you think of the explanations given by these people:

http://www.formermuslims.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3182
Blistering Barnacles!
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Apr 7 2010, 03:43 PM
mankytoes really should not be spouting on here particularly because at his age he tends to look on ANYTHING with rose-tinted spectacles and he is doing his level best(which is not a very good best) to argue the toss from a very weak standpoint. Firstly, he very obviously has read very little or nothing of the suras of the Qu'ran which deal with other religions and none, the rights of women(virtually none(- Burkhari vol 1 no 301(Allah's Apostle said "Oh women give alms as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you women. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you". the Islamic law as contained in shari'a, punishment of certain crimes by execution and stoning plus amputation of limbs and mutilation, slavery(allowed by Muhammad), apostasy from Islam, Jews considered pigs and rats,paedophila and marriage to a nine year old by Muhammad, Muhammad's claim to be white-there are many learned books written on these subjects by the members of Former Muslims United, the leader of this movement being Wafa Sultan, the lady Muslim apostate who is testifying on behalf of Geert Wilders at his trial which is the subject of much concern by Islamists as they really fear what she says.

Secondly, Mankytoes is arguing against members who have forgotten far more about Islam than he is ever likely to learn in a month of Sundays. Give him another 20 years and this innocent-if he survives that long- will either have joined the UAF-or seen sense and become a bitter opponent of Islam -the greatest embodiment of Fascism since Nazism or Oswald Mosley and his British Union of Fascists.
I know the Koran says horrible things, i've stated that a few times in this thread. I made the comparison with the bible, which also says lots of these sorts of things. In both, there are lots of contradictory verses. With both you also have to worry about translation- Arabic is very difficult to translate to English, so it's right to question any translation you see. If we're talking about slavery, the Church of England, of which i'm a member, was the biggest slave trading organisation in the world. I'm not saying this because I hate Christians and Christianity. I'm making the point that despite Christianitys past evils and hateful texts, Christian countries are generally tolerant and progressive. So we shouldn't say it's impossible for Islamic countries to make the same progress. Here's the sort of thing that points towards a better future- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article7089416.ece

And heres why I refuse to absolve America of blame for our current problems with Islam- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article7088548.ece

Can you think of anything more likely to radicalise young muslims?

I find all this a bit confusing. You hate Islam, because you think they are like nazis, or Oswald Mosely's union of Fascists. Yet, from the general election threat I read, a lot of people on here support the BNP. The BNP whose leader, Nick Griffin, said "there is a strong, direct link between Oswald Mosely and me". Do you see why i'm confused? Do you want a liberal system of rule or an authoritarian one? The BNP are really quite similar to the intolerant wing of Islam. Like orthadox communists and fascists say they are each others mortal enemies, but they are similar. Lenin and Mussolini had so much in common. This is fascinating to me, this is why I study radical politics.

PJS, I agree that Shariah Law is sick. I believe three muslim men must see a rape for a conviction to be possible? It's not even debatable as to whether we should think about tolerating that. But these courts weren't about Shariah Law, they were about some, very uncontroversial, Islamic practises they wanted separate courts for. The main difference is they pay more attention to spoken word agreements than we do. In any case, the important thing to know is that it, in every way, must fit into existing British law, and cannot override it. I'd also say orthadox Judaism is pretty nasty too, espeically to women.
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I'm not too sure about your conspiracy theory though, it makes no logical sense to believe that the establishment suddenly wants to live under the black cloud of Islam. What possible benefits to mature western society could Islam possibly bring? I'm certainly not aware of profound super human achievements' Muslims have dedicated to the greater good of mankind recently. Furthermore, can you name one country that has fallen to Islamic law as being progressive?

You seem to have a better grasp of political science than I do, so therefore, maybe you could point out the position the government appears to be talking, and the reasoning behind it.
I don't believe in arguments from authority. Luckily I make no claims to be any kind of expert in political science. I've read the classics (Plato, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Hegel, Marx, Mill). So, you're welcome to take my conspiracy theory with a handful of salt. I certainly wouldn't bet money on it being true.

Having said that. I cannot understand how european countries have executed two policies that are directly opposed. The idea of the European Union is to provide (at the minimum) a single market in goods and services, where workers are seen as a resource that would move between member states as needed. Yet co-synchronous with this policy, they have opened up the floodgates to non-EU workers, particularly muslim immigrants. The existence of the first policy should make the second unnecessary, and indeed is arguably done to prevent the latter.

I've tried to reconcile why they are following two contradictory policies. I am not prepared to go as far as following the Eurabia thesis (although I don't dismiss it). The establishment (politicians, academics, religious leaders) all have good reason to oppose the importation of islam. The modern generation of the establishment might be ignorant of the history of islam's conflict with the world. But the people in charge throughout the 1950s-1970s must have known about that history.

The white slave trade was going on as little as 300 years ago - English and Irish people being kidnapped by Barbary ("Turkish") pirates, and taken to arabic countries to be sold on slave markets. (And it happened across the mediterranean and the balkans too). Yet my generation was brought up with it being treated as a laughing matter. We learn Beowulf, Chaucer and Shakespeare at school; we study the Tudors and Stewards; we learn about the horrors of the black slave trade and the holocaust. But the white slave trade is forgotten.

Jihad was going on in Northern Nigeria (part of the empire) at the beginning of the 20th century. Britain had direct knowledge of the partition of India and the creation of Pakistan. The generation who lived through that must also have known about the Mufti of Jerusalem and the Bosnian muslim SS divisions. (Strange the Mufti was never put on trial for war crimes.)

This knowledge of history can only have been wiped from our culture and media by deliberate policy decisions. And it is still being deliberately suppressed. That our greatest statesman (Churchill) should have been so negative about islam must be known to every MP for the past 50 years. Michael Gove MP is in the shadow cabinet. His book Celsius 7/7 could have been written by the EDL. And all 650 members of that private club called Westminster must know precisely what he says in that book.

And the only reason I can think for this suppression of knowledge and the importation of a foreign and hostile culture, is to serve as a mechanism to bind europeans together, so that the european superstate can be created - the difference between a Greek and a Lituanian and an Irish woman will seem trivial by comparison. (Obviously I'm not xenophobic - not all cultures that are very foreign to europeans are hostile when here e.g. the chinese, the indians). As things stand now, I think the establishment has lost control of this hostile and foreign culture.

That's the sum total of my conspiracy theory. Conspiracies do happen. We were lied to to get us into the EU in the first place. The media are continuing to lie and misrepresent the EDL. Who knows if my theory has any basis. It's just the only thing that makes sense to me. But I wouldn't bet money on it being entirely accurate.
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mankytoes said : " The government were starting Shariah courts, which have a tiny amount of power"
You still don't get it, do you the key is not the state of their power but their increasing demand for more.
Had they less power ? The answer is YES
Accepting their demand have it somewhat diminished their will for more power and particularities ? The answer is FRAKING HELL NO !
You have no historic perspective on that matter so I will tell you the story of islam in Reunion island where my mother was born and where I have spent 18 years of my life, and these tiny 18 years believe things has changed slowly for the worst ...
In this Battlestar Islamica "all of this has happened before and all of it will happen again"

I re-quote myself from this same very thread but will add other stuffs :
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hehe, I know what they are up to as I come from Reunion Island ,when they ask for their first mosque in 1890 they said "Our mosque will be surrounded by walls and arranged internally so as to spare the sensibilities of other faiths " ....
Their mosque was built in 1904 then 70 years later when they built their minaret they started prayers call with a muezzin ,one call per day ....
Useless to stay that the multiplication of the mosque has exploded in Reunion island, all with minaret, they are only 60 000 people (5% of the population) and have more than 25 mosques.
To give you a comparison Zanzibar with 1 million people with 97% of muslim has only 50 mosques ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanzibar#Religion
There is no halal free Mac Donald on the island, they are starting to make public manifestation and are defending the niqab and the burqa and now they are threaten us !
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.islamisation.fr/archive/2010/01/20/les-theologiens-de-la-reunion-pour-le-niqab.html&sl=fr&tl=en

Remember what they said initially : "Our mosque will be surrounded by walls and arranged internally so as to spare the sensibilities of other faiths "
Everywhere they go they use taqiyya, it is mathematical !
We always say that Reunion is a tolerant society, it is partly true because it is WE who have been tolerant not them, they never used French first name everywhere they go they keep the same practice !
Oh forgot to say that their first mosque was built thanks to a religious tax on all people of Reunion island and they are what we can call "moderate" muslims.

In Saint Denis de la Réunion , the préfecture , there was 6 night club when I was 10 there is only one now because who owns most of the shop in the city centre ? The religion of peace of course !
They have put so much pressure on the administration to close them, they have done the same with the pubs, before I went studying at LA Sorbonne when I was 18 I could go late at night in the pubs but now it closes at midnight, lots of pubs have closed anyway and though it is the biggest city in the island every night it is dead as hell , because for this lovely minority alcohol is a sin ...
The city used to evolve around the street of the Cathedral but now it is around the mosque , they told us that they would never build a higher mosque than the Cathedral of course they were lying they built a massive minaret...
One thing that must be noted is that immigration in Reunion island is really tiny so their population don't explode, it was true before the years 80's when muslim from the Comoros, they have bring with them a more radical islam with them (needless to say ) !
In just 40 years they have changed the look of a city that was founded in 1669, if you close your eyes when it is the praye rcall you would think you would be in Arabia ...
Only problem on a population of 140 000 people they are just a tiny 15 000....
You have to adapt not them !
I also note you didn't even take the time to answer all the point that was made ...
You didn't comment the Norwegian little boy mad experience ...
You may also note that on any antifascist forum, if people would have your real info as I do, they will simply put this info on-line, as they are worst than the gestapo !
Here is what you little guy send me as a private message :
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Hi, from that last post i'm guessing you've found my Facebook- please don't reveal my real name or any personal details on the board. Thanks.

You are a total clown !!!
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Homo Sapian, I know you aren't talking to me, but the Arab's took ten times as many black slaves as white slaves. So to call that trade the "white slave trade" is incredibly misleading. No part of history should ever be "forgotten", I agree. But considering we were far more involved, I think it's pretty clear as to why we learn about the trans-Atlantic slave trade, not the Arabic one (there's also must more information avaiable, with primary sources in English, so there's also a practical element). I do, however, also object to some aspects of the teaching- my English teacher told us we invented slavery. I told her that was rubbish, and asked if the Romans ever had slaves.
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To compare the the Jewish Beth Din courts with the Shariah courts is fallacious. For one thing the Beth Din are not legally binding, they are only for mutually agreed resolutions - for any ruling made by Beth Din on say divorce has be to be pushed through the normal courts. That is English common law is paramount and the final arbiter. Beth Din is for Jews only. Shariah courts and Shariah law on the other hand are both aimed at over-riding British common law. There are now some rulings which are now binding in law. Muslims are encouraging non-muslims to use Shariah courts which they are doing and the whilst in most cases the rulings are not binding nor legal under common law, they are step forward toward dhimmitude for the non-muslim. Islamists want Shariah law to replace British law. Jews do not want to replace British law with Jewish. A huge, huge difference.
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@makytoes as I fit your posting headline outsider,may I just put my point direct to you.jog on ,go away ,you have wasted a lot of peoples time on here ,go and talk to nick clegg if you're so liberal,all you have done is take apart comments made by people on here,that's clever,off you go and join the other freaks that have been and gone with tails between there legs.and keep off the pot noodles freak.
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Apr 7 2010, 03:16 PM
I'm not too sure about your conspiracy theory though, it makes no logical sense to believe that the establishment suddenly wants to live under the black cloud of Islam. What possible benefits to mature western society could Islam possibly bring? I'm certainly not aware of profound super human achievements' Muslims have dedicated to the greater good of mankind recently. Furthermore, can you name one country that has fallen to Islamic law as being progressive?

You seem to have a better grasp of political science than I do, so therefore, maybe you could point out the position the government appears to be talking, and the reasoning behind it.
I don't believe in arguments from authority. Luckily I make no claims to be any kind of expert in political science. I've read the classics (Plato, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Hegel, Marx, Mill). So, you're welcome to take my conspiracy theory with a handful of salt. I certainly wouldn't bet money on it being true.

Having said that. I cannot understand how european countries have executed two policies that are directly opposed. The idea of the European Union is to provide (at the minimum) a single market in goods and services, where workers are seen as a resource that would move between member states as needed. Yet co-synchronous with this policy, they have opened up the floodgates to non-EU workers, particularly muslim immigrants. The existence of the first policy should make the second unnecessary, and indeed is arguably done to prevent the latter.

I've tried to reconcile why they are following two contradictory policies. I am not prepared to go as far as following the Eurabia thesis (although I don't dismiss it). The establishment (politicians, academics, religious leaders) all have good reason to oppose the importation of islam. The modern generation of the establishment might be ignorant of the history of islam's conflict with the world. But the people in charge throughout the 1950s-1970s must have known about that history.

The white slave trade was going on as little as 300 years ago - English and Irish people being kidnapped by Barbary ("Turkish") pirates, and taken to arabic countries to be sold on slave markets. (And it happened across the mediterranean and the balkans too). Yet my generation was brought up with it being treated as a laughing matter. We learn Beowulf, Chaucer and Shakespeare at school; we study the Tudors and Stewards; we learn about the horrors of the black slave trade and the holocaust. But the white slave trade is forgotten.

Jihad was going on in Northern Nigeria (part of the empire) at the beginning of the 20th century. Britain had direct knowledge of the partition of India and the creation of Pakistan. The generation who lived through that must also have known about the Mufti of Jerusalem and the Bosnian muslim SS divisions. (Strange the Mufti was never put on trial for war crimes.)

This knowledge of history can only have been wiped from our culture and media by deliberate policy decisions. And it is still being deliberately suppressed. That our greatest statesman (Churchill) should have been so negative about islam must be known to every MP for the past 50 years. Michael Gove MP is in the shadow cabinet. His book Celsius 7/7 could have been written by the EDL. And all 650 members of that private club called Westminster must know precisely what he says in that book.

And the only reason I can think for this suppression of knowledge and the importation of a foreign and hostile culture, is to serve as a mechanism to bind europeans together, so that the european superstate can be created - the difference between a Greek and a Lituanian and an Irish woman will seem trivial by comparison. (Obviously I'm not xenophobic - not all cultures that are very foreign to europeans are hostile when here e.g. the chinese, the indians). As things stand now, I think the establishment has lost control of this hostile and foreign culture.

That's the sum total of my conspiracy theory. Conspiracies do happen. We were lied to to get us into the EU in the first place. The media are continuing to lie and misrepresent the EDL. Who knows if my theory has any basis. It's just the only thing that makes sense to me. But I wouldn't bet money on it being entirely accurate.
You have some very good points; the European super state should, in theory be self-sufficient in manpower. Given the demise of large-scale industrial industries partly due to competition from China and India amongst others, it just does not make any sense to import hordes of uneducated poor Muslims from the sub Sahara.

One possible explanation for the current situation is the 'perfect storm' scenario. Governments pursuit of liberal idealisms in conjunction with the thirst for oil, have produced a situation where government has unfortunately been place in the back pockets of the Middle East.

The very public humiliation of Gordon Brown by Gadaffi suggests that government are prepared to go to any lengths to secure futures oil contracts. Regardless of the utter embarrassment to the victims of Lockerbie, a convicted murderer is bartered for a barrel of oil (or potentially several hundred million barrels in this case)

The assumption is that Saudi Arabians have the government dancing to their tune too. The reasons so many mosques have suddenly appeared on a horizon near you are Saudi funded. When you put governments political correctness polices, and the bleeding heart human rights laws into conjunction with the quest for oil, Islam is going to gain the upper hand, at the ultimate expense of our freedom.

It is no coincidence that Gadaffi once said: "We needn't go to war for Europe, we will breed them out." The problem is the good intentions of government (providing they did actually have good intentions) have unfortunately came back to bite them on the ass.
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Apr 7 2010, 05:44 PM
@makytoes as I fit your posting headline outsider,may I just put my point direct to you.jog on ,go away ,you have wasted a lot of peoples time on here ,go and talk to nick clegg if you're so liberal,all you have done is take apart comments made by people on here,that's clever,off you go and join the other freaks that have been and gone with tails between there legs.and keep off the pot noodles freak.
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Apr 7 2010, 05:44 PM
@makytoes as I fit your posting headline outsider,may I just put my point direct to you.jog on ,go away ,you have wasted a lot of peoples time on here ,go and talk to nick clegg if you're so liberal,all you have done is take apart comments made by people on here,that's clever,off you go and join the other freaks that have been and gone with tails between there legs.and keep off the pot noodles freak.
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brilliant ruby,what does he want,it's not a bloody debating society
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Apr 7 2010, 01:25 AM
For crying out loud guys, this is a 19 year old kid, why are you wasting your time on him ?
I repeat.....
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Apr 7 2010, 06:11 PM
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For crying out loud guys, this is a 19 year old kid, why are you wasting your time on him ?
I repeat.....
+1 I think you're right :-/
It is the internet syndrome but it can also be informative for the lurkers, as there is a lot of page views on this thread , other than that I am done here, time for a beer :)
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If it wasn't for the bitching and name-calling from both sides, I might read more of this. :)
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