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| Corey_Delaney | Apr 6 2010, 07:14 PM Post #151 |
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is it you ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mankytoes Were at Samassi Abou birthday? |
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| Ian JL | Apr 6 2010, 07:19 PM Post #152 |
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At one point I thought Mankytoes was actually Anjem Choudary, I still feel like it is. Anjem Choudary has also got an answer for every question. But it is only what I thought, I could never be sure unless I met Mankytoes! |
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If so where is it going to? I think colours play a part in English but cultures should be allowed to stay unchallenged and without prejudice in anybodies native country. | |
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| Habeas Corpus | Apr 6 2010, 07:26 PM Post #153 |
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http://www.sickipedia.org/joke/view/135833 http://www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=120715&p=2519591 If this is the same mankytoes, those are some odd things to be saying if hes a muslim
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 07:30 PM Post #154 |
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I genuinely don't see the hostility you're crying about. Stop being a baby. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 07:34 PM Post #155 |
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Manky: what do you mean "people like me" ? |
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| mankytoes | Apr 6 2010, 07:35 PM Post #156 |
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No, you misunderstood. I agree that Islam is more homophobic than Christianity in this country, but Christianity is much more powerful, and is a bigger bar to full equality in this country, mainly because Christians greatly outnumber Muslims. I just feel the view of religion on this site isn't balanced, and i'm trying to add some balance. It's religion i'm not a fan of, not any specific religion, and i refuse to support any persecution of a religious people. Again, i'm not denying there are problems with Islam. Aggressive attempts to fight this will be fuel to the fire. We need to make sure we only target the extremists, or we'll make more enemies, and use the best tool against ignorance- education. |
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| Capt Haddock | Apr 6 2010, 07:36 PM Post #157 |
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Well according to this forum: Posts: 1140 Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:31 pm Location: Snowy Sussex Well I think he said he was 19 on here, so according to that, he joined forums when he was 14. possible I suppose. Edited by Capt Haddock, Apr 6 2010, 07:42 PM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 07:36 PM Post #158 |
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So, once again, no refutation, no references, just more assertion. If you are a student, you are a very lazy one. Now let's get this straight. You've been a member of this forum for over 8 months yet you describe yourself as an 'outsider'. In those 8 months you could only bothered to click on a few links this week, and you were shocked by 'a guy saying "the right wing politicans like the BNP will hopefully have some representation in parliament", and no one said anything to him.' You were shocked that someone said something that was perfectly legal (and indeed moderate) in a pubic forum, a public forum where you yourself were free to contest what he said. Instead you try to impugn EDL and everyone in it. Yet it turns out you've been on the BNP mailing list for over a year, long before the EDL even existed. The most I've ever done is visit their website to see what their policies are, and to see whether or not I can find out if they are secretly racist (probably) and anti-gay (yes). It sounds to me like you probably know as much (or more) about the BNP than the average EDL supporter. You are a fraud. So tell us your real name and where you are a student. After all, you've got nothing to hide - you're not opposed to islam, you're not a member of UAF, or BNP, or EDL. You have nothing to hide, let's see you prove to us you're not a muslim but a 19 year old politics student. It's not like you've had a death threat like many of us have had. You can even PM me with your name, address and university dept. I'll get back to the list after I've verified you're not a fake. And if I'm wrong I'll apologize abjectly and buy you a drink after the next EDL demo. |
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| Lone_Wolf | Apr 6 2010, 07:37 PM Post #159 |
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maybe you should take your own advice and educate yourself because the depth of your ignorance is matched only by the hieghts of your arrogance. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 07:43 PM Post #160 |
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polotics students maybe
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 07:44 PM Post #161 |
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that about sums it up, thread should be locked after that LOL. |
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| Corey_Delaney | Apr 6 2010, 07:53 PM Post #162 |
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so now time for a serious discussion about Islam and is it or not compatible with our values .... And is a moderate muslim just a dormant one, of course we will come back on Enoch Powell vision of the future that is our present ! Just to point out that at the time asian or africans = black as stated at the end of the documentary and that Enoch is not a racist ! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 07:53 PM Post #163 |
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Islam is more homophobic than anything else in the world (apart from it's brother and sister, nazism and communism). The 5 countries where they have a death penalty for homosexuals are all islamic. They hang 14 year old boys in Iran (some 7000 homos were known to have been hanged before the Iranians stopped publishing figures); in Iraq there are islamic death squads that are hunting down gay men and torturing them to death. One of the Iraqis who got out is living in London, and has received death threats from muslims here. He says what is going on in Iraq is a pogrom. Even in "moderate" Turkey 45 homos have died from homophobic violence in the last 3 years. In the Gallup survey last year, not 1 muslim in 1000 in the UK was tolerant. Yet 65% of the (mostly christian) population surveyed were tolerant. 25% of UK mosques sell books calling for homos to be executed. Can you imagine the outcry if gay bookshops sold books calling for muslims to be executed? So spare me your crocodile tears for gay rights. Your preference for islam over christianity is deeply offensive, even to an atheist like me. Appeasing islam has failed. According to Erdogan, they are all extremists. According to Contest 2 (and the muslim response to it), all muslims are extremists. We are beyond giving muslims the benefit of the doubt. The best tool is education - educating British people as to the true nature of islam. I have people asking me for copies of the Koran. The people of this country are going to know islam inside out. And they are not going to stand for it. Game over. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 08:15 PM Post #164 |
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a man that doesnt like religion is trying his little best in lying about it, ermmmm we all know.:) |
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| whiteguy | Apr 6 2010, 08:39 PM Post #165 |
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i suggest mankytoes goes to a muslim majority area of this country, prefably london or birmingham, and finds out for himself, that we on here are not here just to socialise, were here for our country! because our country wont be our country in about 10 years at this rate! mankytoes you have to understand how bad the country is mate, because i dont get anyone who thinks its all hunky dory, even in small villages in kent have muslims in them nowadays, theres very few places uneffected. |
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| CINCINNATUS | Apr 6 2010, 08:57 PM Post #166 |
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this is the last time im going to view this thread its like baging your head against the wall people have rebuked him for most things hes said and he just dont get it. |
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quote by me "an illusion only works, when one is ignorant to its operation" Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. ENGLAND FOREVER ISLAMIC STATE NEVER. | |
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| Disenfranchised Briton | Apr 6 2010, 08:58 PM Post #167 |
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The statistics being quoted are pointless. The muslim population needs to be considered as a a percentage of people under hte age of 10 or even under the age of 5 to be truely indicative of the future. The truth is that the muslims are having more children, importing spouses from abroad and starting families earlier all of which increases their population very, very quickly. If for example the average Brit starts a family at age 30 and the average muslim starts a family at age 20 then within 60 years the British family will have had 2 generations compared to the muslims 3 generations. If the British generation is 2 kids and the muslims generation is 4 kids then the British will have had 4 kids compared to the muslims 12 kids. We do know that between 25% and 28% of all children born in the UK last year had a foreign born mother. It is clearly very possible that the Muslim population could dominate the non muslim population in the space of 50 years. Unless someone can provide authorative figures on the numbers of muslims being born in the UK compared to the numbers of non muslims over the last 10 years it'll be rather hard to prove either way. Oddly those figures seem impossible to find. I wonder why? |
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| Corey_Delaney | Apr 6 2010, 09:07 PM Post #168 |
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mankytoes said : " mainly because Christians greatly outnumber Muslims." I think you have real issues with epistemology and if I was more fluent in English, and maybe less drunk, I would try to explain to you this, in a clear and distinct manner like Descartes would have done. An absolute value means really nothing, if it was the first time I was coming on Earth, watching the surface of the globe I would be overwhelmed by the density of the Amazon forest... Yes it is big, but someone from Earth with enough data will show me how fast it has decreased over the years, and I would have to agree with this and I would feel sad. In France over burqa they advanced the underestimated number of 2000, but what we have to know is how fast this number is growing ! In this particular case it seems you haven't been to a church lately, because they are frequented by old people when the population of muslim is young and has 8 more times the birth rate of Christians ! Note that I am not even taking into consideration conversions and inter-marriage ... islam (sorry will never put a capital letter on this thing) is growing exponentially which means it will over rule Europe soon all the data are available on this page if you are a true truth seeker and lover... Do you wait until you have run out of gas to fill the tank in the middle of an highway or do you think before the events come to you ? This is exactly what we are talking about here, our liberties and the one of our children and grand-children . Because for every living entity there is a point of no-return and a civilisation and a country is a collaborative living entity. Civilisations have perished in the past and will perish again, the question is do you love your civilisation, has it value for you ? Ever heard of Romeo Jihad? It seems not ! Read this really nice article : http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=391:why-muslims-seduce-rape-marry-non-muslim-girls&catid=73:brahmachari&Itemid=58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Jihad And if you don't like to read watch this video entitled "Regretful British Punjabi Girl Talks About Some Predatory Muslim Males" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-2mG_z23VU For Sikh helpline go to this website : http://www.sikhhelpline.com/cms/index.php Do you really think people would do an on-line help if it was not a SERIOUS problem ? Open your eyes mate ! |
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| Capt Haddock | Apr 6 2010, 09:07 PM Post #169 |
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Another point worth mentioning is the fact that many arranged marriages actually take place within the Muslims communities. Many go to Pakistan to find wives, husbands and bring them back here, why do you think the Muslim population as exploded within twenty odd years. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 09:09 PM Post #170 |
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But the violence in East London in the 80's came from Football did it not. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 09:28 PM Post #171 |
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Well the prize goes to DFW in post #8. Fraud spotted in less than 45 minutes. Good game, good game. Felt like we were kicking round a deflated football, but what you gonna do. You have to play with what you're given. |
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| mankytoes | Apr 6 2010, 10:48 PM Post #172 |
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There's definatly a link in there. For sure. And I am, like all students I thought? I've been registered, I forgot I was registered in that time. To be honest, I thought about doing this when I first joined, but I decided I wasn't educated enough. I now feel i've possibly reached that stage. Did I say I was shocked? I'm just saying the group, from what i've seen, has tried to distance itself from the BNP, but that's not the impression I get on here. Yeah, I said i've been interested in extremist issues for a long time. BNP mailing list is just because I emailed them some questions (didn't get a reply)- that automatically put me on the list. Again, I read such negative press about them that I felt I should get the facts. I don't see how you got that conclusion. No. I don't want people on here knowing where my family lives. I've made the choice to get involved, any s**t that comes, I can take. But if I give you those details, any nutter reading can find out where my family live. And I don't know if you've heard of Redwatch- http://elvis.redwatch.org/index2.html But as long as that is up, i'm being careful about what I write online. If you really think i'm a fraud, fine, I guess there is no point in replying to me in future. |
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| Lone_Wolf | Apr 6 2010, 11:06 PM Post #173 |
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err, unless youve been photographed how can you be on redwatch? they dont have a section for people who act like smug know it all wankers online who have decided to come here and educate us about what islam is all about as though we didnt know. apart from anyting else, redwatch has nothing to do with the edl. its an NF and C18 site where they can pretend they know who you are etc, but all the photos have been nicked off flicker of the swp sites. you are a fraud, but its only yourself that you have fooled. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 11:12 PM Post #174 |
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| mankytoes | Apr 6 2010, 11:31 PM Post #175 |
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If you have my name, you can find my Facebook, people on here have already been on my Facebook, so I boosted the privacy settings on it. I know you aren't linked to redwatch, but I don't know who could be reading this. I don't know if it's a real threat, but unless i'm certain, i'm not gonna put my family at risk. Can you imagine the outrage if there was an infidelwatch? I bet you would take it a bit more seriously than you take redwatch... Homo Sapian wants my personal information. That isn't going to happen. Firstly, if you don't show me respect, you aren't going to get any. Second, I have no reason to prove anything to you people. Thirdly, you keep misrepresenting me- you said I prefer muslims to chrstians, which i've never said. My mum and grandparents are christian, and I love them more than anything- assuming you believe me. Trust me or don't, it's fine. But the fact so many of you are questioning my existance is worrying. What am I saying that is so unbelievable I must be pretend, the figment of someones imagination? whiteguy, i'm a big West Ham fan, so I know that area pretty well, so I know what you're talking about. But I live in Hull, near one of the worst council estates in the country, Orchard Park, and that's pretty damn white. And it shows me that it's wrong to think all these problems come from immigration, and mixed communities. They can cause problems, sure, but lets be balanced, again, there's plenty of other problem. It worries me how many people think the worlds problems can be solved by "less immigrants" (to be fair, that's not a reflection on this board). |
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| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 11:38 PM Post #176 |
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mankytoes: A lot of the stuff you have posted I don`t agree with you on. But, thats where we differ from other sites because you are still here. As soon as people mention something on other sites, they are booted by mods or admin. There are some very clever people on here, and I recommend you listen to some of their points - as they are so right in what they say. You are entitled to your own opinion - even when you are blatantly proved wrong. As for details, yes, its easy to find out who someone is when you have been around for 42 yrs. I do know your real name and plenty of details - but again, we are not like other sites. And thats not the way I work either. We don`t name and shame people and pass their details on just for disagreeing with us. |
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| mankytoes | Apr 6 2010, 11:59 PM Post #177 |
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That's true, at least your mods are tolerating me- and tolerance is all i'm asking for, i'm not asking for anyone to visit the mosque and try halal beef. I am trying to listen to everyone, and I think some people are intelligent, I agree. You have kind of radical views in one area, but that's ok, so do I, it doesn't make you unintelligent. That was a good post apart from saying i've been "proved" wrong. This is politics, you don't prove things. It's all subjective. I think you lot are wrong, but i'm not going to have claimed to prove it, I guess apart from in ten years time when we don't have a civil war, Islamic dictatorship or BNP government. I appreciate it, I wasn't accusing anyone here of being a potential attacker, but I know it happens, it's possible that genuine nazi groups are trawling forums like this and looking for people like me. But can you please confirm that i'm who I say I am, if you've seen my details? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 12:04 AM Post #178 |
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Didn't you say you were at Hull uni? Or that you lived in Hull? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 12:05 AM Post #179 |
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I can confirm only what you put in the original post about yourself - as like I said, I ain`t into naming and shaming. You said you are studying politics and you are 19 - you said that yourself. Thats one of the things I agree with you on. |
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| Corey_Delaney | Apr 7 2010, 12:06 AM Post #180 |
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Makytoes I put time trying to give you facts and arguments, obviously you weren't here to discuss !![]() You were saying that you didn't understand why these things were mentioned : •Halal we told you why it was important you didn't answer •anti-Islamism legislation, we answered that too You said that the feeling of victimisation would lead to more separatism, we have told you that the feeling of victimisation was an excuse for more separatism and more extremism. That in any given society, any group or community will push for more freedom and in the end for self-governance. If you add to the fact that this group has a religion that is at the same time, a code of law, a food economy and an invitation to convert and to kill, that they don't want and reject values of what they consider as decadent drunk pigs of infidels... Are you kidding me ? If you remember about how it all started, it started with people who didn't want to put the official uniform. You must understand that they don't want to live like you (there is exceptions of course ), they think that they are right and they are ready to intimidate you. An other example of what this madness can cause : http://vimeo.com/10210382 What these parents did to their kid is exactly what our governments have done to us all, on a larger scale of course ! Watch please
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 12:32 AM Post #181 |
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Well, I didn't need any help from you. Without communicating with anyone else on this forum, it took me ten minutes to find out MankyToes' name, uni, school, and many other details. At least we know he's not a muslim, or if he is, he's a convert. You youngsters really don't know how to cover your tracks. So much for us old 'uns being less savvy technologically. You really need to be careful. If you decide to be part of the solution, then you might start getting death threats from muslims as we do. Don't worry I'm not going to pass any of your information on to anyone. I was chatting to a young muslim last week who was sympathetic to our movement. But I decided I should break off any contact with him, because he's just too young to be taking risks. I remember having a stomach like that when I was his age. |
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| mankytoes | Apr 7 2010, 01:15 AM Post #182 |
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Well both, i'm back home at the moment, but obviously as i'm at that uni, i'm living there. Sorry for not replying Corey, i've had a lot of replies as you can see, i've done my best. I still don't accept the halal argument, I mean I wasn't satisfied with your explanation, there's no point in me just repeating myself, waste of time, so I left it. If you want to be an organisation that is against only radical Islam, don't tell your members to complain about halal. KFC are helping knock down the worlds greatest rainforest, that's why I won't go there, I don't really care whether they stun the animals before they slit their throats that much. Not my number one concern. I don't ignore you, I disagree. I mean you think that tolerance will be taken advantage of. I think the difference is you seem to think muslims are, largely, conspiring. I don't think they are looking for excuses on the whole, they are genuinely annoyed in most cases, sometimes legitimately, sometimes not. One thing I remember in my research was seeing Omar Bakri, if you know him, bragging about how he was taking advantage of our freedom of speech. And it struck me how poor we made his argument look, how unconvincing he must have been to any potential radicals, he clearly looked like the bad guy, and i'm totally unsuprised he's faded into obscurity. Toleration neuters the radicals. Standing on a street corner saying "this evil government hates me" is a contradiction in terms- if the government was evil and hated you, you wouldn't be stood there. We are liberal, our enemies are authoritarian. We can stick to our cultural values, or adopt theirs. Homo Sapian, I know you'll find this laughable, but I don't even think it's important whether i'm a muslim or not. I consider myself a non-religious humanist godless leaning agnostic if it's really important to you. I didn't actually think about covering my tracks until people started searching things about me, and that made me think of redwatch. Sorry, but you claiming you are "part of the solution" is pretty arrogant. What have you solved, EDL? Nothing. I try with my politics, and I think i've got some good ideas, but I don't think i'm changing the world. I'm not that bothered about you lot knowing my details, i'm not scared, it's just that I have a rare surname, so i'm guessing if you can find out about me, you can find out about my family, and that I don't want. They are mainly apolitical, and i'm sure you can all appreciate that i'm worried they might get targeted, we all know what extremist groups of all creeds are capable of. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 01:25 AM Post #183 |
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For crying out loud guys, this is a 19 year old kid, why are you wasting your time on him ? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 01:30 AM Post #184 |
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Thank you, thank you, move along now , there is nothing to see here, welcome to the forum manky, you certainly aren't an outsider now, so have you engaged in any other topics ? Or are you intending to bait the guys in perpetuity ? You are obviously not daft so expand a little why don't you ? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 01:41 AM Post #185 |
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At least we know you are not some muslim fake, or some middle-aged UAF tosser trying to wind us up. So, on the assumption that you are truly here to learn. I suggest you stop wasting our time and yours. Start going back through the forum and spend a few days reading as I did when I started. I'd suggest you don't read entire threads - find URLs and see where they link to. Start reading some of the books on Jihad (Bostom's, Khan's). Read Ibn Ishaq's "Life of Mohammed", and bear in mind that this is the role model for the perfect muslim. I see no cause for you being alarmed at being identified here. I was talking to a friend tonight, and he told me that when I was 19 I was a pompous ass too. It's really something you need to try and lose. When you get to my age you will inevitably be a pompous ass. But there's no need to prematurely age. You know where I stand from what's been said. AFAICS the only solution is EDL, because everything else has failed. If the next few years continue to see us marginalized as "right-wing racists" by the politicians and media, then I think the BNP's rise to power is unfortunately inevitable. I don't care if you don't share my analysis. You're not the one going on demos and trying to make a difference. I'll rest easy with my conscience if the BNP do form a government - I'll know I tried to do things a different way, along with thousands of others. Muslims won't be the only one's to suffer then - people like me will to. My rights will go, my husband will lose his citizenship, my relationship will be broken up, and who knows, I might even be imprisoned. The BNP was set up as an anti-gay party, and there is no sign that they have changed. But the only thing worse than a BNP government would be an islamic government. So, I'm not prepared to sit by and wait until the census comes out. There is enough evidence now that the muslim population is 10%, and that the younger generation have been dangerously radicalized. We need an infrastructure in place to channel the outrage when that census comes out, and to be able to apply pressure appropriately to get things done immediately. The responsibility for how we got here lies with the establishment; they decided that in post-war Britain it was a good idea to forget the history of islam, to initiate mass immigration, and to destroy our sense of national pride (all three things might indeed be connected). |
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| mankytoes | Apr 7 2010, 02:21 AM Post #186 |
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Right, I have read quite a lot of threads now, but i'm not replying, because I know if I give my honest opinions, i'll end up hijacking them- this forum is mainly for you lot to discuss your organisation, not argue with me. If I go in a thread and start saying what I think, it'll be all me arguing with everyone else, i'm not here to ruin your forum, i've got this thread, that's enough. I've read so many of these websites, i'm very familiar with jihadwatch and all that. It's not something I need to learn anymore on. Look, i'm not saying it's high risk, but any risk is too much when my family is concerned. I don't know what that has to do with being pompous. To be honest, you don't seem tolerant of people who don't share your views, I mean you just keep going with the petty insults. "Everything else" has failed? How about this- sensible regulation of mosques that are suspected of extremist links. Not going to war with muslim countries to secure oil and building military bases on holy muslim land is another good tactic. Look, 7/7 wasn't "our fault". I'm not saying that. But muslims don't just randomly attack countries- that doesn't make the attackers themselves any less evil, but it doesn mean we should look at why we were attacked. Our leaders have let us down so badly. America's ignorant f**king foreign policy, and our commitment to this one sided "special relationship" have put us in a s**t situation. Sorry, what is so scary about 10%? I don't know why you think it's going to cause such outrage, I think people generally overestimate the amount of minorities in this country anyway, the offical stats usually suprise people at how low they are. What is "getting things done"? Just sounds like a vague threat to me. Does the EDL have any offical government recommendations? You can only speak for yourself. Your sense of national pride may have been destroyed, but I tell you mine has not. Mass immigration has happened loads of times in our history, don't underestimate us. |
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| mariax | Apr 7 2010, 03:32 AM Post #187 |
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this is edl not uaf, i would be the first to turn my back on edl if they threatend you or your family for debating issues, problems cant be solved unless you debate them and find common ground,good luck at uni, and long live free speach, |
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| kaimana1 | Apr 7 2010, 06:14 AM Post #188 |
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Mankytoes says "Everything else" has failed? How about this- sensible regulation of mosques that are suspected of extremist links. Not going to war with muslim countries to secure oil and building military bases on holy muslim land is another good tactic. Look, 7/7 wasn't "our fault". I'm not saying that. But muslims don't just randomly attack countries- that doesn't make the attackers themselves any less evil, but it doesn mean we should look at why we were attacked. Our leaders have let us down so badly. America's ignorant f**king foreign policy, and our commitment to this one sided "special relationship" have put us in a s**t situation." There are so many wrong statements made in this paragraph alone do us a favor and let us know when we start warring with muslim countries to secure oil then you will have an arguement! Iraq wasnt about the oil.....contrary to popular opinion on the left iraqs oil production was cut way down after the 2003 invasion and still hasnt fully recovered and america is still paying most of the war costs over there, so no the iraq war was not about "oil" afghanistan most certainly had nothing to do with oil .(dont give me the oil pipeline BS)Who asked the U.S to build military bases on muslim holy land?? HINT (they were muslims) and if you say 7/7 wasnt our fault then who's fault was it according to your logic? And this is the kicker the mother of all of your f**ked up opinions "But muslims don't just randomly attack countries" OHH REALLY where on earth do you base this opinion on? ever since the inception of islam, muslims have been doing nothing but attacking countries "randomly" dont believe me? take homosapiens advice and read ibn ishaqs "life of muhammed" Have you heard of the ottomans? these guys went into europe namely serbia destroyed the serbian and albanian armies at "kosovo polje" the ottomans were unprovoked yet they swallowed up a large part of southeast europe during that period the serbian genocides and wars of the 1990s is a indirect result of the ottoman islamic expansion campaigns (which consisted of many instances of genocides and pogroms themselves) of the 1300s-1400s in albania and serbia, bosnia etc... i firmly believe that if the ottomans never transgressed into europe you wouldnt have had even a tenth of the tensions and hatred that you have there today. You go on to say "America's ignorant f**king foreign policy, and our commitment to this one sided "special relationship" have put us in a s**t situation" I say that is proof that you are an appeaser of the most neville KIND! You are in essence saying that if america setup a caliphate in the middle east and let the islamic caliphs do their things (refer to the rashidun and the ottomans and the mughals etc.). then we wouldnt have any problems?? I feel sad for you monkey toes
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 09:58 AM Post #189 |
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Yes it is something you need to learn more about. How can you spout this drivel about the nature of islam? Have your read the Koran and the Sira? Do they not read like a manual of war? What other major religion was founded on an army and a military strategy? If islam had been a peaceful religion that had remained within the Saudi peninsula for 1000 years we could say "ok, they don't take those parts seriously". But the evidence from the genocide in the Hindu Kush, the attacks on Europe, and now the global jihad shows they do take this seriously as a manual of war. "But it's not all muslims" you will say. So where are the moderate muslims who are objecting to this? Where are the moderate muslims who say "we are ashamed of the things this religion has done". You'll find plenty of Christians who'll admit to the shameful past of their religion. You think that a jump in muslim population from 3% to 10% in a decade is not really scary? They have shown that they seem themselves as muslims first of all (you show that yourself in saying that the problems we've got in the UK are due to actions against muslims elsewhere). In our electoral system a muslim party has no power... yet. When they get to be 40% of the population, and they all act together, they will vote in a muslim party. Within 10 to 20 years they will have a big enough majority to do that. And if HuT is the model of the party they vote for, then we're screwed. We're going to have sharia law. "But that only applies to muslims". No, it will apply to all of us. During Ramadan in muslim countries, if non-muslims eat in public during the day they get physically attacked. You are so touchy. In my last post I was mocking and laughing at myself. Wait until you get called a "nazi" or a "racist" for daring to say anything that sounds like it is critical of islam. That's going to hurt. I was talking to one old man on the Dudley demo who had mixed-race kids. He is on these demos for his kids' future. And he said it really hurts him to be called "racist". |
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 10:25 AM Post #190 |
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manky, your post at 1:21am is full of such utterly laughable nonsense on so many levels that I cannot see any sense in refuting them one by one. I will simply say that you have listened for too long to the wrong people. Although I can excuse it as the foolish idealism of youth I cannot forgive its undoubted prevalence in the circles within which you move. The danger of your errant stupidity is something that you may or may not see before it is too late, but I for one will not hold my breath. Although one thing you mention many posts back is maybe worth mentioning, You said that hadiths say that the killing of innocents, women and children is forbidden. Now please define for me what an "innocent" is in muslim terms. |
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| Capt Haddock | Apr 7 2010, 10:27 AM Post #191 |
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Quote: 'When they get to be 40% of the population, and they all act together, they will vote in a muslim party. Within 10 to 20 years they will have a big enough majority to do that. And if HuT is the model of the party they vote for, then we're screwed. We're going to have sharia law yet.' I agree with most of your points, however, do you really think the British military is going to hand over her arsenal of weapons to Muslims? I personally believe that this will never happen; no Muslim party will ever hold power in parliament. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 10:59 AM Post #192 |
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He may have got fewer votes (3k), but he increased his share from 6.4% to 8.0%, plus he got elected. So I think you're being a bit disingenuous. |
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| mariax | Apr 7 2010, 11:05 AM Post #193 |
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Why is it in a democratic country we still have people who want to silence people with different opinions,are some people scared to debate, or is it they can't win the argument Nick griffen lovehim or hate him he should have the right to be heard |
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| Lone_Wolf | Apr 7 2010, 11:20 AM Post #194 |
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youre right that everybody must be allowed a voice, and that includes the protesters who will try to silence them. freedom of speech can only operate within clearly defined boundaries, and, without threat of sanction, freedom is meaningless. if you are allowed to say anything you like without challenge then we dont have freedom, we have chaos. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 12:19 PM Post #195 |
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Your name wasn't very well thought out either, was it? mank foot manky toe cheese monkey toes Just some of the new monikas for you on here.
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 12:36 PM Post #196 |
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So, you think that when muslims get to 40% and can legally choose to have an islamic country, the military will take over, like in Turkey or Algeria? That's a heartening thought -- not! The establishment know full well that muslims are 10% of the population already. The establishment has spent 50 years destroying our national identity. What makes you think the military is not part of all this? The Church of England and the Catholic Church are playing their part - they are busy praising muslims and denouncing EDL in pulpits across the land. They never mention to their flock about what the muslims are doing to christians in Nigeria, Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, etc. They are every bit as treacherous as the rest of the establishment. It's got to the point where christians I know are reading the koran for themselves, so they can go to see their clergy and ask them why they are defending something like this. It's only because the people are gradually waking up to the treachery of the establishment that the BNP is doing so well. I'm not prepared to sit by and wait to see if we end up having a military coup because no-one stopped muslim extremists from becoming powerful enough to take over our country through the ballot box. I think I'm an optimist, but I'm not as optimistic as you are. |
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| mankytoes | Apr 7 2010, 02:01 PM Post #197 |
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No. You think to learn more about it because I don't agree with you. If I had the same level of education on the subject, or less, and had reached the same conclusion as you, you wouldn't be telling me I need to learn more about it. Just be honest about that. No. One thing i'm not scared of muslims. Two, we've had loads of similar population jumps- Norman, Scandanavian, German, Irish, Commonwealth. No muslim party has power. I'm pretty certain no muslim party EXISTS. There was one- not enough muslims supported it, it folded. You are scared of a party that doesn't exist, more than one that has two MEP's, a million supporters and hates you. I think you're a smart guy, honestly, I think you are coherant and well researched. But on this subject, you aren't thinking clearly. That's shown to me be your conviction that I was a figment of someones imagination. Why would "all muslims vote together"? You know there's huge problems between Sunni's and Shia's? You know Islam has a great secular tradition? Saying all muslims would vote for that party is ridiculously simplisitic, like saying all white people will vote BNP. How many muslims do you know? You need to get out there and talk to people, instead of reading fear mongering books, if you want to really understand this issue. They won't bite. No it's not, i'd laugh it off, like when people here called me a muslim and a communist. Why would I care if I got called a Nazi? I have no views that are the same as the Nazis. I have no racist views, I think all the races are equal. So calling me a racist is just factually wrong. I don't really care. I didn't mean to come across like you genuinely upset me, i'm just telling you you have no manners. You can't even manage to avoid talking to me politely, even though I haven't insulted you. Road Hog, that's true, basically the BNP got those seats not through any support for themselves, but because people were outraged at the expenses scandel so didn't vote/ didn't vote for the mainstream parties. The BNP did have a slight rise in votes overall I think, but the Green party had more. So lets be in perspective- people still support the Greens more the BNP. Euro election- Greens got 1.2 million vote, BNP got less than 1 million. mariax, surely i'm the one trying to debate, and the people on here telling me to piss off are the ones trying to avoid debate? Ruby, that's just my nickname. You can call me whatever you want, but it does make me feel like i'm talking to children. And I don't like children. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 03:09 PM Post #198 |
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And once again, your pompous ass is hanging out for all to see. I've lived in majority muslim areas for 25 out of 30 years, even in foreign countries. One of my best friends is married to a muslim. I have another friend who is married to a muslim. My last two long-term relationships were with muslims. When I was at university 30 years ago, I shared a house with a muslim; my sister was dating a muslim for 2 of those years. I've travelled in muslim countries. I've known muslims from pakistan, bangladesh, zimbabwe, brunei, malaysia, morrocco, france, iran, turkey, singapore, thailand. My house has muslim neighbours on both sides. When there is trouble in the neighbourhood, I'm the one who stands up for them. For 20 years I was arguing with white people for tolerance of muslims. I've converted rabid racists into being anti-racist; they've subsequently gone on to have great friendships with muslims. You have so little experience of life, you think everyone else is as stupid and naive as you are. You think my hostility to islamization is based on my own ignorance of muslims. It is a pathetic prejudice on your part. And very offensive. Your parents must have been so glad to pack your arrogant ass off to university. It's perfectly clear that nothing will shake your arrogance. Consider this my last response to you. |
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| Capt Haddock | Apr 7 2010, 03:16 PM Post #199 |
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The church, especially the C of E's Rowan Williams caused outrage a few years ago by saying: "Sha'ria law seems unavoidable." http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23436203-sharia-law-row-archbishop-is-in-shock-as-he-faces-demands-to-quit-and-criticism-from-lord-carey.do To me, and many others this is outrageous, rather than being critical of the suffering people around the Middle East on a daily basis under this so-called 'divine law,' he comes out and actually praises it. Furthermore, Magna Carta states: Latin: Quare volumus et firmiter precipimus quod Anglicana ecclesia libera sit et quod homines in regno nostro habeant et teneant omnes prefatas libertates, Jura, et concessiones, bene et in pace, libere et quiete, plene et integre, sibi et heredibus suis, de nobis et heredibus nostris, in omnibus rebus et locis, in perpetuum, sicut predictum est. Juratum est autem tam ex parte nostra quam ex parte baronum, quod hec omnia supradicta bona fide et sine malo ingenio observabuntur. Testibus supradictis et multis aliis. Data per manum nostram in prato quod vocatur Ronimed inter Windlesoram et Stanes, quinto dccimo die Junii, anno regni nostri decimo septimo. English: Thus, we wish and we firmly ordain that the English church shall be free, and that men in our kingdom shall have and keep all these previously determined liberties, rights, and concessions, well and in peace, freely and quietly, in their fullness and integrity, for themselves and their heirs, from us and our heirs, in all things and all places for ever, as is previously described here. An oath has been sworn, on the one hand by us and on the other by the barons, that all the aforesaid provisions shall be observed in good faith and without evil intent. Given under our hand—the above-named and many others being witnesses—in the meadow which is called Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, on the fifteenth day of June, in the seventeenth year of our reign. [That is 1215—the new regnal year began on 28 May.] How on earth can the Church, and her subjects be free under sha'ria law? I'm not too sure about your conspiracy theory though, it makes no logical sense to believe that the establishment suddenly wants to live under the black cloud of Islam. What possible benefits to mature western society could Islam possibly bring? I'm certainly not aware of profound super human achievements' Muslims have dedicated to the greater good of mankind recently. Furthermore, can you name one country that has fallen to Islamic law as being progressive? You seem to have a better grasp of political science than I do, so therefore, maybe you could point out the position the government appears to be talking, and the reasoning behind it. |
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| mankytoes | Apr 7 2010, 03:32 PM Post #200 |
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For a patriot, you use the most Americanised insults. Arse, please. Seeing as you've said so many things about me which were incorrect, you throwing your dolly out the pram because i've done one back is pretty petulant, but that's your choice. I don't understand why you keep using the word "pompous"- it seemed to start when I said I read politics at university. I'm not trying to boast, it's factual. I don't think i'm better, or more intelligent, than you. I'm only saying you are wrong on one specific subject. PJS, the Shariah law thing was a big misunderstanding mainly. The government were starting Shariah courts, which have a tiny amount of power, and the reason for that is, quite reasonably, muslims wanted the same level of religious independance as jews have. I don't want any religious courts, but if you give them to jews, you have to give them to muslims too. The archbishop was obviously not saying he wanted Shariah Law to rule the country, that would be ridiculous. First comment on your link I thought was very good- "Why is everyone gone so against and so upset over someone just saying something? Freedom of speech? It is just a suggestion on a few aspects of life that may be the case, Not Everything! However, I am a Muslim in Britain and I abide by rules of this land, even Islamically we are told by scriptures that we should abide by the laws of the land that we live in; even if not Islamic! So long as we are free to practice peacefully our faith then its fine" |
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do us a favor and let us know when we start warring with muslim countries to secure oil then you will have an arguement! Iraq wasnt about the oil.....contrary to popular opinion on the left iraqs oil production was cut way down after the 2003 invasion and still hasnt fully recovered and america is still paying most of the war costs over there, so no the iraq war was not about "oil" afghanistan most certainly had nothing to do with oil .(dont give me the oil pipeline BS)