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“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

"There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. we don't need terrorists, we don't need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
– Muammar Gaddafi, Dictator of Libya

"“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.”
– Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of Iran

""Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world."
– Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran
Lets get a bit philosophical here, and remember that these people think Islam is truth, that Allah and Muhammed are the real sources of good, and that you must be a muslim to get into heaven. So they think the world will adopt their truth.

But conquering is so difficult. I mean if you look at the great empires in history- Persian, Roman, Macedonian, British, they aren't sustainable. The idea that, with Europe's entrenched values, the eastern arab culture could envelop ours, holds very little value, because they couldn't really do that. How many white Europeans have converted to Islam? Negligable. It's not a real threat, it won't happen. Also, the further down generations get, the less radical and more secular they get, a lot of them respect our culture, even if they aren't fully involved in it. Finally, treating Islam as united is as naive as thinking that of Christianity, it's just as divided as Protestants and Catholics with Sunnis and Shias, they kill and hate each other in many places.

Always remember, the goal of terrorists is to spread fear. If you let the muslim terrorists of 9/11 and 7/7 affect your life, they've won. That's why i'm determined not to let them effect me, they won't change my view on people, they will not win. And I really believe that. What they want is for us to go crazy, start lynching muslims in retaliation- then the moderate muslims will join with them in outrage, and there will be civil war. It won't happen, because we are too strong to fall for that, to fall into that thinking.

And if you guys who like the BNP are anti-Gaddafi, you might want to find out all about the links they've had with each other.
sorry but what a load of s**t..... ever herd of forced conversions, o yeah thats already happening in prisons in england :-/
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Clee, he needs getting out. This country has gone absolutelt crazy, or at least the government has, I'm sure they should all be sectioned
theres a civil or race war coming and anyone who doesnt think so is seriously deluded.
we are walking straight into another yugoslavia.
I agree, I don't think it will be for some time but do think it'll be here eventually. Although I'm female and never been a fighter in my life, I will stand my ground when it's needed.
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Clee, he needs getting out. This country has gone absolutelt crazy, or at least the government has, I'm sure they should all be sectioned
theres a civil or race war coming and anyone who doesnt think so is seriously deluded.
we are walking straight into another yugoslavia.
We have seen the start of this at some of the demos to be honest.
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Apr 5 2010, 07:37 PM
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“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

"There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. we don't need terrorists, we don't need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
– Muammar Gaddafi, Dictator of Libya

"“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.”
– Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of Iran

""Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world."
– Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran
Lets get a bit philosophical here, and remember that these people think Islam is truth, that Allah and Muhammed are the real sources of good, and that you must be a muslim to get into heaven. So they think the world will adopt their truth.

But conquering is so difficult. I mean if you look at the great empires in history- Persian, Roman, Macedonian, British, they aren't sustainable. The idea that, with Europe's entrenched values, the eastern arab culture could envelop ours, holds very little value, because they couldn't really do that. How many white Europeans have converted to Islam? Negligable. It's not a real threat, it won't happen. Also, the further down generations get, the less radical and more secular they get, a lot of them respect our culture, even if they aren't fully involved in it. Finally, treating Islam as united is as naive as thinking that of Christianity, it's just as divided as Protestants and Catholics with Sunnis and Shias, they kill and hate each other in many places.

Always remember, the goal of terrorists is to spread fear. If you let the muslim terrorists of 9/11 and 7/7 affect your life, they've won. That's why i'm determined not to let them effect me, they won't change my view on people, they will not win. And I really believe that. What they want is for us to go crazy, start lynching muslims in retaliation- then the moderate muslims will join with them in outrage, and there will be civil war. It won't happen, because we are too strong to fall for that, to fall into that thinking.

And if you guys who like the BNP are anti-Gaddafi, you might want to find out all about the links they've had with each other.
sorry but what a load of s**t..... ever herd of forced conversions, o yeah thats already happening in prisons in england :-/
when rome fell the normans took over were going through the sort of second roman empire like what is talked about in scripture empires allways fall and rise but id rather have the normans again thanks
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Mankytoes, i do not tolerate people who say UK should adopt sharia law, and call for the queen to convert to Islam.
I was at colledge and i was looking to make new friends, and the Muslims i tried to get on with ended up turning on me.
Got the right to smoke canabis on premesis, if you didn't let them they'll say it discrimination against there religion.
Got to play there own Music out loud, if you told them to turn it down or off they'd call you racist.
They whent around trying to get banned from every store in town.
They were pretty racist against the English people.

I do believe that there are moderates out there that want to be friends with many English people, but i'm still yet to meet one.
It's just the people who are intolarent to our culture and us, that's what i have a problem with.
I guess that's justified, I do tolerate them, as long as they aren't trying to achieve these goals by force. I try and be consistant, I also tolerate the National Front, and they say worse things in my opinion.

Well that's bad, you've had a bad experience and it's effected you, I don't blame you then.

MJ, i'm not saying muslims don't do any of that stuff, but I don't think they drink and shag as much, on average, not if they are practising, anyway (i'm technically a Christian, but wouldn't count myself as one).

Anumber, i'm not disputing there are those sort of verses in the Koran, although don't most relgions basically say that- believe in this, or you'll suffer in hell, quite threatening really when you think about it.

But do we all not want it? I mean, at all? Anyway, we have the freedom to move to pretty much any country in the wI thine want, generally without being forced to totally change how we act, it seems a bit unfair to expect people to instantly change, espeically considering we've established totally non-integrated "little England's" abroad, for instance in Spain. We live in a globalised world, I think multiculturalism is inevitable, it's a natural progression of capitalism. We've got to live together. I think there's lots of positive aspects we can focus on anyway.

Is Islam really forced upon anyone? I don't think so.
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First of all. The issue here is the creeping islamification of Europe. The fact that some Brits create Little Britain under the sun in a few places is not relevant to this conversation. We are talking about millions and millions of Muslims colonising Europe and bring their oppresive, fascist, 3rd world ideology with them. They then expect their generous hosts to change their own laws, culture, belief systems to fit in (more like give in to) their facist cult.

Extremist Islam is a parasite slowly sucking all that is good out of western civilisation.

Secondly, why have we all got to live together? And why does it have to happen over the space of a couple of decades? Why is muti-culturalism a natural progression of capitalism? It sounds to me youu have swallowed the party line whole.

And yes, Islam is forced on many people, all around the world.

Islam is being forced upon the residents of Dudley next. They don't want it but that counts for nothing apparently.
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mankytoes: the BNP wanted funding from Gaddafi, Gaddafi refused. That's all there was to it. There are no links between them.
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"What he said" usually reflects the opinions of the person quoted. What did you read?
i dont want a vicious alien creed forced upon me and my surrounding ;)
I misread you, apologies ;)
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no probs mate ;)
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Apr 5 2010, 07:33 PM
to the OP you are really wrong about halal, yes it is about animal rights but NOT only ....
The probability that you have already eaten halal food without knowing it is equal to one, which means basically that when buying your meat you have given money to the organisms of certifications and to a mosque nearby !
Not all the meat is used in halal and kosher so they put it in the traditional circuit without even mentioning it, if people would know that most of them won't buy these evil meats, mechanically the price of halal and kosher food will rise, in other words you are paying for their cults but also for their food !
Don't you get it ?
And what about forcing people to eat halal in public schools, hospitals, prisons ?
You MUST understand that their strategy is to change every aspect of our life, but they do it bit by bit ...
People who don't understand the seriousness of halal is digging their own graves !
They already are talking here about islamic finance and this week-end an Halal food fair was held in Paris !
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=56467
People accepting these obscurantists practices are simply out of their mind !
Read this article too : http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2010/02/23/01016-20100223ARTFIG00781-nous-avons-tous-deja-mange-de-la-viande-halal-ou-casher-.php&sl=fr&tl=en

Please if anybody here have specific informations in English about how halal food is sold as normal meat, please post it !
BANG ON MATE :england: :templar:
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Clee, he needs getting out. This country has gone absolutelt crazy, or at least the government has, I'm sure they should all be sectioned
theres a civil or race war coming and anyone who doesnt think so is seriously deluded.
we are walking straight into another yugoslavia.
I agree, I don't think it will be for some time but do think it'll be here eventually. Although I'm female and never been a fighter in my life, I will stand my ground when it's needed.
im down the gym 4 times a week mate,
and the mrs and kids are down the karate club 3 nights a week.
i know whats coming and you need to be as ready as you can be.
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I agree, I don't think it will be for some time but do think it'll be here eventually. Although I'm female and never been a fighter in my life, I will stand my ground when it's needed.
im down the gym 4 times a week mate,
and the mrs and kids are down the karate club 3 nights a week.
i know whats coming and you need to be as ready as you can be.
ive just got the family cycleing aswell :D

problem with the halal stuff is there teaching there kids to butcher animals so desensitizing children from a very young age to slit throats then feeding them the koran teaching them christains and jews are pigs.

now looking at any english kid now days after are stupid goverment buls**t laws and crap most kids dont even know where fish fingers come from there heads would spin if they had to chop a head of a live chicken its a scary thought.
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Mankytoes, before you start spouting off about the bible you should get your facts at least partially right. I doubt that you've actually read any of the bible given how you say there is nasty stuff in it that no-one hears about. The reason being is that there is nothing nasty in it. What you describe are historical events with laws given to a small group of people for a specific period of history in a specific place only. None of what you refer to are commandments for now or for the future. And if you were , as you claim a student of history, you would know that the Jews /Israelites have never sought to bring people into their religion. Yes people can become jews if they wish , but no Jew evangelises the faith nor have they ever forced anyone to become a jew. Another point to remember is that the Old testament was an old covenant replaced by the New Convenant or Testament (hence the bible names) which means that things God had put in place in the Old testament are no longer binding. That is why Christ gave his two important commandments - Love your God and Love your Neighbour as yourself. There is nothing remotely comparable in the bible to the hate, bigotry and racism that exists in the Koran. For your information, the Judeo-Christian God spends his time in heaven, the Islamic god spends his time in hell torturing non-believers and over 60% of the Koran is spent describing this in detail.

I would suggest before you come here to discuss history, the Bible and the Koran you should read some books on History, read the Bible and read the Koran. You can read the Bible and understand it without any commentary or supporting literature. The Koran has to be read in conjuction with the hadith - the sayings of Muhammed, and the Sunnah - the example/actions/history of Muhammed. You may also need to read up on Islamic Tafsir with such Islamic scholars as Ibn Kathir. When you've done that then you will be in a positon to understand the EDL, the EDL stance and historical Islam and its 1400 years of violence against humanity.
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to the OP you are really wrong about halal, yes it is about animal rights but NOT only ....
The probability that you have already eaten halal food without knowing it is equal to one, which means basically that when buying your meat you have given money to the organisms of certifications and to a mosque nearby !
Not all the meat is used in halal and kosher so they put it in the traditional circuit without even mentioning it, if people would know that most of them won't buy these evil meats, mechanically the price of halal and kosher food will rise, in other words you are paying for their cults but also for their food !
Don't you get it ?
And what about forcing people to eat halal in public schools, hospitals, prisons ?
You MUST understand that their strategy is to change every aspect of our life, but they do it bit by bit ...
People who don't understand the seriousness of halal is digging their own graves !
They already are talking here about islamic finance and this week-end an Halal food fair was held in Paris !
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=56467
People accepting these obscurantists practices are simply out of their mind !
Read this article too : http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2010/02/23/01016-20100223ARTFIG00781-nous-avons-tous-deja-mange-de-la-viande-halal-ou-casher-.php&sl=fr&tl=en

Please if anybody here have specific informations in English about how halal food is sold as normal meat, please post it !
BANG ON MATE :england: :templar:
hehe, I know what they are up to as I come from Reunion Island ,when they ask for their first mosque in 1890 they said "Our mosque will be surrounded by walls and arranged internally so as to spare the sensibilities of other faiths " ....
Their mosque was built in 1904 then 70 years later when they built their minaret they started prayers call with a muezzin ,one call per day ....
Useless to stay that the multiplication of the mosque has exploded in Reunion island, all with minaret, they are only 60 000 people (5% of the population) and have more than 25 mosques.
To give you a comparison Zanzibar with 1 million people with 97% of muslim has only 50 mosques ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanzibar#Religion
There is no halal free Mac Donald on the island, they are starting to make public manifestation and are defending the niqab and the burqa and now they are threaten us !
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.islamisation.fr/archive/2010/01/20/les-theologiens-de-la-reunion-pour-le-niqab.html&sl=fr&tl=en

Remember what they said initially : "Our mosque will be surrounded by walls and arranged internally so as to spare the sensibilities of other faiths "
Everywhere they go they use taqiyya, it is mathematical !
We always say that Reunion is a tolerant society, it is partly true because it is WE who have been tolerant not them, they never used French first name everywhere they go they keep the same practice !
Oh forgot to say that their first mosque was built thanks to a religious tax on all people of Reunion island and they are what we can call "moderate" muslims.

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well I consider myself a liberal a feminist and a socalists and I have no qualms with the EDL.

After all a good liberal would never write the EDL off so completly as the liberals in Britain have.

Ideology is hardly the point. Surely youve looked around the site enough to realise we all have differing views.
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http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/09/genocide-how-islamic-colonisation.html

interesting read this blog.
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wheres mankytoes gone?
is he having his tea :O
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So sad !!!
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So sad !!!
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can you imagine the uproar if 'we' bulldozed 'their' graveyards!
this didnt even make the local news mate. :(
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I think actually he left the BNP to join the EDL. For which I told him to get back to the BNP as he is not wanted here. Obviously not read enough topics.
I haven't read that many, fair play, the first I clicked on is a few down now, a guy saying "the right wing politicans like the BNP will hopefully have some representation in parliament", and no one said anything to him. But as you're an anti-Islamism group, and the BNP is now a largely anti-Islam political party, I think you have to consider it may be difficult to avoid overlap- you appear to not be racist, at least not the in the black/white sense, but you sound fairly similar to them on matters of Islam.
Members can note for any polticol party they choose to.The edl do not tell people what they can think or who they can vote for.Many here do not like the labour party are we to tell members not too vote labour?Now if we were facists they maybe would tell people who they could vote for and what to think but contrary to things said in the media we are not facists and members are free to vote for and think what they please.Just for the record facists and racists are not welcome in the edl.Also many BNP voters i know do so because of they recognise the threat of radical islam and their anti EU policies.Just because someone votes bnp does not mean they are racist.I vote bnp and im certanly not a racist,a realist yes,racist no!
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I was a teenager in the 80's and everything seemed so much better then. We don't have much trouble here anyway but if we go into either Derby or Notts at night, then we do tend to be a bit more careful
Bit rose tinted perhaps? I'm a West Ham fan, and I know for a fact it was a hell of a lot more dangerous in the 80's. East London is dodgy, but not as dodgy as people think- most teenagers killed are kids in gangs killing kids in gangs.
yes mate immigrant gangs (muslims) who shouldnt even be in this country
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They would never get away with doing something like that where I live, I'm almost sure of it. it's bloody disgusting
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can you imagine the uproar if 'we' bulldozed 'their' graveyards!
this didnt even make the local news mate. :(
Unfortunately I can understand what they would do, but I am wondering why the Christian community let this happen !!!
Oh wait I forgot that the clergy helped the religion of peace in England, the Pope even said that the minaret referendum in Switzerland was a bad thing forcing me to immediately become a Sedevacantist ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism ) ...
Watched a documentary on Enoch Powell this afternoon that was enlightening !
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anyway back to business,
in working mans talk,
i think your a bit of a c**t personally mankytoes who knows f**k all about anything except what your polotics lecturer has taught you! is he a marxist by any chance? :D

I haven't met many commies at all actually, my university is suprisingly conservative. That's not very nice either, but i've done manual labour so feel free to talk to me in working mans talk.

Londonsw15, go on, what am I? My feet don't stink actually, it's a nicknamed linked to my surname.

I think genuinly you are all a little out of touch with the mainstream of society- people have concerns about Islam, but they aren't quite so apolocaliptic in their view of things. People said similar things after the Second World War when we had our first wave of non-white mass immigration about the black guys from the West Indies, but they've integrated really well eventually, I feel, you only need to watch the England team play. I know it takes time, but i'm confident muslims can too. It's a bit of a self fullfilling prophecy though- if we all approach this negatively, it won't work.
Sorry?!?!?!

Are you lumping all 'ethnics' in the same bracket?

'Um bongo bongo black man integrate so me thinking curry man integrate too!\

Black people integrated because they have the same set of values of us, did not see us as lowly 'kuffir', did not despise our 'immoral' behavior etc.

Can you not see that the barrier to muslim integration is not the evil white man, but the muslims themselves?

Sadly, I fear you can't.
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Mankytoes, before you start spouting off about the bible you should get your facts at least partially right. I doubt that you've actually read any of the bible given how you say there is nasty stuff in it that no-one hears about. The reason being is that there is nothing nasty in it. What you describe are historical events with laws given to a small group of people for a specific period of history in a specific place only. None of what you refer to are commandments for now or for the future. And if you were , as you claim a student of history, you would know that the Jews /Israelites have never sought to bring people into their religion. Yes people can become jews if they wish , but no Jew evangelises the faith nor have they ever forced anyone to become a jew. Another point to remember is that the Old testament was an old covenant replaced by the New Convenant or Testament (hence the bible names) which means that things God had put in place in the Old testament are no longer binding. That is why Christ gave his two important commandments - Love your God and Love your Neighbour as yourself. There is nothing remotely comparable in the bible to the hate, bigotry and racism that exists in the Koran. For your information, the Judeo-Christian God spends his time in heaven, the Islamic god spends his time in hell torturing non-believers and over 60% of the Koran is spent describing this in detail.

I would suggest before you come here to discuss history, the Bible and the Koran you should read some books on History, read the Bible and read the Koran. You can read the Bible and understand it without any commentary or supporting literature. The Koran has to be read in conjuction with the hadith - the sayings of Muhammed, and the Sunnah - the example/actions/history of Muhammed. You may also need to read up on Islamic Tafsir with such Islamic scholars as Ibn Kathir. When you've done that then you will be in a positon to understand the EDL, the EDL stance and historical Islam and its 1400 years of violence against humanity.
Wow interesting post, I had miss it at least someone that understands the supersessionist theology that is the only real theology of The Church !!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism
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"Lumen Gentium" is of course just BS created by modernists to enslave us but that's an entire other story! :P B-)
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Let me cut a long story short. As I can't be arsed reading all these comments and information.

Just tell your pal that Civil War is looming and if it's not looming it's already started.
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To quote the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan “There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it”. Which seems to be the consensus among imams around the world. Therefore no such thing as moderate practicing Muslim exists either.

The thing to remember about Islam as opposed to Christianity is that in Islam, the Literalism mainstream”.

So for example:

(a) According to the Koran, Holy war against the infidels is a sacred duty of every Muslim.

(b) Mainstream Muslims interpret the Koran Literally.

Conclusion:

(c) Mainstream Muslims perceive war against the infidels (meaning all non Muslims) as their sacred duty.

That’s against me, my family and most of the people in this country. And this manifests itself by the lack of criticism, opposition and almost absolute silence by most of the millions of Muslims in this country against what we call radical Islam.

So by definition, the so called majority of practicing Muslims, those that we are told are moderate, are really mainstream Muslims, who believe in the literalism of the teaching of Islam, and most of us know only too well what that means.

So I feel equally uncomfortable with the so called “moderate” mainstream practicing Muslims, that I see around my area, wearing Muslim attire, as I would be if there were moderate practicing Nazi’s walking around wearing German SS uniforms

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mankytoes, Thank you for your reply.

You seem to make the effort to answer everything and I think you have got plenty to say on everything laid before you.

Can one simple question lead to one simple answer without the need for an understanding of why it is asked?

If so then three simple questions can be asked and applied in the same way. I would identify the colour of my skin to be white. I am not racist.

Do you mankytoes think this makes me racist to identify my skin colour as white?
Do you consider me a racist if I ask you what colour do you identify your skin as?
What colour do you identify your skin as?

Three answers will develop three statements from myself.
Yeah, if you take time to reply to me i'll try and do the same- I haven't replied to all, but i've had a lot of comments.

No, I also indentify my skin colour as white, I mean that's factual.

No, someones racial background may affect their opinions. However, I honestly don't really indentify an indentity from my skin colour. In a perfect world skin colour would be irrelevant, but we don't live in a perfect world.

White, I don't know of any non-whites in my bloodline, my mums side has been traced English pretty far back. My dads adopted, so I don't know his, but he's very pale, we've done some research and reckon he's probably at least partly Jewish racially (if you consider jews a race).

LondonSW15, give me a bloody chance mate, I was eating my dinner. I've never been to a mosque, but i've seen significant evidence that in some mosques they preach things that could incite violence, thus are against UK laws, and this needs to be monitered in a way that respects the muslims that aren't breaking the law. You know most muslims in this country don't worship every week, like most Chritians? So it's hardly fair to judge them all by the way some mosques regard themselves- I don't doubt there are also many, many mosques which teach positive messages, like most churches.
Skin colour is factual but some people say we must not use colour to identify people in general therefore some people need to be educated looks like we understand each other on that one.

You say I am not racist, We understand each other on that one

Skin colour does not define identity and to add further deos not mean brothers or sisters like some people like to think. I have never heard a black muslim call a white muslim brother but thats not to say that one day I won't hear it or they don't do it. I will assume we agree on that one.

Having said all that, if I have said something in this message that you do not fully agree with or you think I have got something fundamentally wrong with what I have said then please inform me. I think you might have shown great tolerance to many things you state and also shown tolerence to select people on this site. But I think you will always for now be controversial untill you are better known on this site :)
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Hope he (manky) can go tell his nasty violent uaf thugs we allow freedom of speach on here, weyman will be gutted that democracy is still alive. Thank god for the edl as Jews and other minority faiths can speak out about the threat of Islam without being attacked by weyman and his uaf thugs. Ask them about their support for violent jihadists
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mankytoes has some fair questions, and if you guys want to broaden your fan base you may want to consider answering them politely in good faith. Being rude and dismissive will have the same effect on the general public's perception of you as disorder at your demos. Some good answers to his questions in here too though.
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The idea that, with Europe's entrenched values, the eastern arab culture could envelop ours, holds very little value, because they couldn't really do that. How many white Europeans have converted to Islam? Negligable. It's not a real threat, it won't happen. Also, the further down generations get, the less radical and more secular they get, a lot of them respect our culture, even if they aren't fullyinvolved in it.


I don't think MT has any good points. He's come on here to challenge us as though we are all prejudiced and are all BNP supporters. It looks like I'll be voting LibDem again this time. He claims he's a politics student and is concerned about islam. He's got every reason (time, library, internet, interest) to be able to find out the truth about the islamic threat in europe, but he'd rather just stick with his own prejudices. So here we go again, having to lay out what the issues are for someone who should (and probably does) know the truth.

At the moment it's (mostly) not about conversions. It's a question of immigration (legal and illegal), the immigration of "dependent relatives" and spouses, and the greater birth rate. When the number of muslims gets to 40% or so, it will be about forced conversions (just as is happening in some prisons already). And that 40% population will be reached far sooner than most of us are prepared to acknowledge.

Muslims like Anjem Choudary know full well the muslim population of Britain has exploded. That's why he is so confident in his assertion that we are headed for civil war. Muslims like Shahid Malik are so confident of the number of muslims growing that he's predicted there will be a muslim PM by 2040. They might appear to be on opposite sides, and to project different futures, but they are basing it on the same statistics.

There is plenty of evidence to explain why these muslims have this confidence:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5621482.ece
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8558590.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html
http://halalfocus.net/2006/05/06/uk-halal-meat-report/

There is plenty of evidence that muslims are failing to integrate, and that their attitudes are widely discordant with those of the general population:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1553712/Time-to-confront-the-Muslim-conspiracists.html

There is plenty of evidence that muslims in Europe dislike europeans far more than europeans dislike muslims (this report was done after the London and Madrid bombings):
http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Widespread-Negativity-Muslims-Distrust-Westerners-More-than-Vice-Versa.aspx

There is plenty of evidence to demonstate that the muslims born here are more radical then the previous generation:
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6309983.stm

Mankytoes is prejudiced. The irony is he thinks he is a free-thinker. His prejudice is that all people are the same, and are fundamentally good and just want to get along, and that our society is just going to trundle along getting better. But who would have thought 20 years ago that authors, film-makers and cartoonists in western europe would face execution and censorship for their work, that governments would seek to ban clothing, Lords would be threatening insurrection, and that young men who were born here would be blowing up themselves and others for we know not what. At least the IRA had a set of demands that could have been fulfilled. The demands of islamists will not be fulfilled until the whole word is crushed under the oldest form of fascism.

He's in for a rude awakening. Just wait until the truth comes out in the census. The reality of how little time we've got before an islamic party becomes the government is going to shock everyone. A mini-census was done in York last year: the muslim population has gone up from 2.5% in 2001 to 10% in 2009. I still see no reason for me to doubt that the census will show 10% of the population is muslim. And the election after that will be won by the BNP. It is shocking to see what our treacherous politicians and media have brought about.

And just like he arrogantly dismissed my points about the BNP's trajectory, the BNP this morning confirms what I've been saying since last summer (that they will get about 12% of the vote):
http://bnp.org.uk/2010/04/bnp-could-secure-12-vote-share/

Appeasement has not worked. If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.
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Skin colour is factual but some people say we must not use colour to identify people in general therefore some people need to be educated looks like we understand each other on that one.

You say I am not racist, We understand each other on that one

Skin colour does not define identity and to add further deos not mean brothers or sisters like some people like to think. I have never heard a black muslim call a white muslim brother but thats not to say that one day I won't hear it or they don't do it. I will assume we agree on that one.

Having said all that, if I have said something in this message that you do not fully agree with or you think I have got something fundamentally wrong with what I have said then please inform me. I think you might have shown great tolerance to many things you state and also shown tolerence to select people on this site. But I think you will always for now be controversial untill you are better known on this site :)
I am a liberal, but i'm not into a lot of the government stuff you might think I would support. I mean petty political correctness is, I feel, often a way for polticians to make it look like they are doing something about prejudice when they aren't, avoid really facing an issue by banning a slang word or something.

Not by that post, I wouldn't say you are racist.

I know i'll be controversial, but i'm thick skinned, espeically as this is on the internet, I don't really care if people are rude.

This stuff about civil wars I keep reading about is embarrassing, honestly. There's no real evidence that it's gonna happen. Most of what you are saying is fair material for debate, but that's just silly. There are a lot of respected political commentators out there, and none i've heard think a civil war is coming, or that there's even a slim chance.

What i'd really appreciate would be if some of you would read about old Iraq, around a millenium ago, when it was the cultural hub of the world, the leader in invention and philosophy, a great society, and an Islamic one. We have a bad impression of Islam because, in the current climate, muslim countries are mainly illiberal and nasty, I don't disagree with that, I probably have more disagreements with Iran and Saudi Arabia than most of you. But to claim Islam is inevitably degenerative is both incredibly negative and historically false.

SHIELD, be consistant then. If muslims all totally believe the Koran, word for word, then they also must agree with the hadiths which clearly state you shouldn't kill innocents, women and children. All religious people pick and choose to an extent. I don't agree with your argument, you're overstating the extent to which Islam is violent.

mariax, I don't know if you were being deliberately stubborn, but i'm not in UAF. In fact, i'm not in UAF for a lot of the same reasons you lot don't like them. They are too aggressive, too illiberal.
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The idea that, with Europe's entrenched values, the eastern arab culture could envelop ours, holds very little value, because they couldn't really do that. How many white Europeans have converted to Islam? Negligable. It's not a real threat, it won't happen. Also, the further down generations get, the less radical and more secular they get, a lot of them respect our culture, even if they aren't fullyinvolved in it.


I don't think MT has any good points. He's come on here to challenge us as though we are all prejudiced and are all BNP supporters. It looks like I'll be voting LibDem again this time. He claims he's a politics student and is concerned about islam. He's got every reason (time, library, internet, interest) to be able to find out the truth about the islamic threat in europe, but he'd rather just stick with his own prejudices. So here we go again, having to lay out what the issues are for someone who should (and probably does) know the truth.

At the moment it's (mostly) not about conversions. It's a question of immigration (legal and illegal), the immigration of "dependent relatives" and spouses, and the greater birth rate. When the number of muslims gets to 40% or so, it will be about forced conversions (just as is happening in some prisons already). And that 40% population will be reached far sooner than most of us are prepared to acknowledge.

Muslims like Anjem Choudary know full well the muslim population of Britain has exploded. That's why he is so confident in his assertion that we are headed for civil war. Muslims like Shahid Malik are so confident of the number of muslims growing that he's predicted there will be a muslim PM by 2040. They might appear to be on opposite sides, and to project different futures, but they are basing it on the same statistics.

There is plenty of evidence to explain why these muslims have this confidence:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5621482.ece
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8558590.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html
http://halalfocus.net/2006/05/06/uk-halal-meat-report/

There is plenty of evidence that muslims are failing to integrate, and that their attitudes are widely discordant with those of the general population:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1553712/Time-to-confront-the-Muslim-conspiracists.html

There is plenty of evidence that muslims in Europe dislike europeans far more than europeans dislike muslims (this report was done after the London and Madrid bombings):
http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Widespread-Negativity-Muslims-Distrust-Westerners-More-than-Vice-Versa.aspx

There is plenty of evidence to demonstate that the muslims born here are more radical then the previous generation:
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6309983.stm

Mankytoes is prejudiced. The irony is he thinks he is a free-thinker. His prejudice is that all people are the same, and are fundamentally good and just want to get along, and that our society is just going to trundle along getting better. But who would have thought 20 years ago that authors, film-makers and cartoonists in western europe would face execution and censorship for their work, that governments would seek to ban clothing, Lords would be threatening insurrection, and that young men who were born here would be blowing up themselves and others for we know not what. At least the IRA had a set of demands that could have been fulfilled. The demands of islamists will not be fulfilled until the whole word is crushed under the oldest form of fascism.

He's in for a rude awakening. Just wait until the truth comes out in the census. The reality of how little time we've got before an islamic party becomes the government is going to shock everyone. A mini-census was done in York last year: the muslim population has gone up from 2.5% in 2001 to 10% in 2009. I still see no reason for me to doubt that the census will show 10% of the population is muslim. And the election after that will be won by the BNP. It is shocking to see what our treacherous politicians and media have brought about.

And just like he arrogantly dismissed my points about the BNP's trajectory, the BNP this morning confirms what I've been saying since last summer (that they will get about 12% of the vote):
http://bnp.org.uk/2010/04/bnp-could-secure-12-vote-share/

Appeasement has not worked. If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.
Homosapien there is absolutely nothing to add to what you wrote here ... :D 101% spot on!
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Homosapien there is absolutely nothing to add to what you wrote here ... :D 101% spot on!
Thank you. That is very high praise indeed - at the weekend I heard all about you :) If it will impress you further, 18 months ago I knew nothing about islam, but decided to educate myself. Ironically, I was educating myself in order to be able to defend muslims better from attack. I have been a very stupid and ignorant do-gooder for almost 30 years.

And of course MankyToes ignored it all. I'm pretty sure he's actually a muslim. He comes on here talking about his concern about islam. Then within a couple of days he's telling us what is in the hadiths. ST is probably another muslim, hence the support for MankyToes. ST's line is always "don't forget the sweetness of the Sufi muslims". Too late I say, too late. Tar them all with the same brush. Let them fight it out in public for which group (if any) should be tolerated - I'm past caring. There's no evidence any of them should be tolerated.

These muslims don't realise that every time they come on with their faux-concerned-educated-person disguise, our arguments just get stronger and better.

As my heroine would say "cheers, great, thanks a lot" :)
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At the moment it's (mostly) not about conversions. It's a question of immigration (legal and illegal), the immigration of "dependent relatives" and spouses, and the greater birth rate. When the number of muslims gets to 40% or so, it will be about forced conversions (just as is happening in some prisons already). And that 40% population will be reached far sooner than most of us are prepared to acknowledge.

the key is the percentage indeed and also its evolution though the word "explosion" would be more accurate ...



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i cant work this guy out, is he on here to wind people up? or is he just not aware of anything that goes on in this country?
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i say limit the amount of babies there allowed to have, sounds pathetic me saying that, but take a look at there growth, its down to them having 10 kids in a family, i mean cmon guys how often do you see a muslim woman without a pram, a 3 year old and a 7 year old, and kids at school too, its a joke
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its a numbers game ...
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i'm 19, a politics student
live some life first then tell us what to think.
if some 19 year old polotics student comes telling me im a 'right wing twat a long'
they might just be proved right on waking up.
get a proper job, a mrs ,some kids ,a cat and a dog,a house in an area that then gets overtaken by hostile guests,
live in the real world a bit.
then come back in a few years of real life and tell me what i am then.

i applaud clee 139's post. Almost exactly 50 years ago I received my Masters degree in politics, philosophy and economics which is considerably further than Mankytoes has got to!
Even then and thinking I was another Freud or Nietsche I would not have dreamt of telling a mature man probably having to work his butt off at a job with a lousy boss with a wife and children to look after that he might be biased or ultra right-wing.

I reckon Manky Toes should go abroad to four or five Islamic countries as I as a Christian had to do because of MY work and start asking for all sorts of privileges and rights such as our pathetic, stupid soon-to-be kicked out NuLabour clowns have heaped on a CULT-Islam which is by ANY standards cruel, violent, medieval, chauvinistic, repressive and evil. If Mankywhatnot does not believe me then I strongly advise him to read the Koran slowly and carefully, sura(chapter) by sura plus the hadiths(sayings) of its Prophet Muhammad plus reading about shari'a law and just see when he's finished if he would fancy a nice holiday in the Sudan where any canoodling in the open or even a chaste kiss would land him in jail -in solitary whilst some extremely unpleasant things would be done to his girlfriend-particularly if she is white as she would be regarded as a whore!
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I don't think MT has any good points. He's come on here to challenge us as though we are all prejudiced and are all BNP supporters. It looks like I'll be voting LibDem again this time. He claims he's a politics student and is concerned about islam. He's got every reason (time, library, internet, interest) to be able to find out the truth about the islamic threat in europe, but he'd rather just stick with his own prejudices. So here we go again, having to lay out what the issues are for someone who should (and probably does) know the truth.

At the moment it's (mostly) not about conversions. It's a question of immigration (legal and illegal), the immigration of "dependent relatives" and spouses, and the greater birth rate. When the number of muslims gets to 40% or so, it will be about forced conversions (just as is happening in some prisons already). And that 40% population will be reached far sooner than most of us are prepared to acknowledge.

Muslims like Anjem Choudary know full well the muslim population of Britain has exploded. That's why he is so confident in his assertion that we are headed for civil war. Muslims like Shahid Malik are so confident of the number of muslims growing that he's predicted there will be a muslim PM by 2040. They might appear to be on opposite sides, and to project different futures, but they are basing it on the same statistics.

There is plenty of evidence to explain why these muslims have this confidence:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5621482.ece
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8558590.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html
http://halalfocus.net/2006/05/06/uk-halal-meat-report/

There is plenty of evidence that muslims are failing to integrate, and that their attitudes are widely discordant with those of the general population:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1553712/Time-to-confront-the-Muslim-conspiracists.html

There is plenty of evidence that muslims in Europe dislike europeans far more than europeans dislike muslims (this report was done after the London and Madrid bombings):
http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Widespread-Negativity-Muslims-Distrust-Westerners-More-than-Vice-Versa.aspx

There is plenty of evidence to demonstate that the muslims born here are more radical then the previous generation:
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6309983.stm

Mankytoes is prejudiced. The irony is he thinks he is a free-thinker. His prejudice is that all people are the same, and are fundamentally good and just want to get along, and that our society is just going to trundle along getting better. But who would have thought 20 years ago that authors, film-makers and cartoonists in western europe would face execution and censorship for their work, that governments would seek to ban clothing, Lords would be threatening insurrection, and that young men who were born here would be blowing up themselves and others for we know not what. At least the IRA had a set of demands that could have been fulfilled. The demands of islamists will not be fulfilled until the whole word is crushed under the oldest form of fascism.

He's in for a rude awakening. Just wait until the truth comes out in the census. The reality of how little time we've got before an islamic party becomes the government is going to shock everyone. A mini-census was done in York last year: the muslim population has gone up from 2.5% in 2001 to 10% in 2009. I still see no reason for me to doubt that the census will show 10% of the population is muslim. And the election after that will be won by the BNP. It is shocking to see what our treacherous politicians and media have brought about.

And just like he arrogantly dismissed my points about the BNP's trajectory, the BNP this morning confirms what I've been saying since last summer (that they will get about 12% of the vote):
http://bnp.org.uk/2010/04/bnp-could-secure-12-vote-share/

Appeasement has not worked. If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.
I think that's so unfair, i'm trying to give you all a fair show here. What do you mean i'm "claiming" i'm a politics student? You're sounding paranoid. I've studied Islam a fair amount, and you're totally discounting everything i've said just because i've came to a different conclusion to yourself. Your view there is pretty clear to me- if you don't agree with me, i'm going to insult you. How am I the prejudice one? I'm not prejudice against anyone. I disagree with your politics, but not because of prejudice, I just don't like them.

"Forced convertions" is fiction. There's no such thing. Religious belief is a state of mind, you can't force someone to believe something. You can force someone to act in a certain way, that doesn't make them that religion. As for the birthrate thing, it's a clever trick with numbers. Catholics have the same beliefs about contraception, and people said the EXACT SAME THING- they'd outbreed "us"- protestants- and take over. It hasn't happened for the same reason what you're scared of won't- money. Catholics don't want eight children, because eight children costs a f**king fortune, and they don't want to suffer through life, they want a little luxury, also raising children is difficult and stressful. So the kids of these huge families have two kids. Muslims will do the same. Immigration should be lower, I don't dispute that, but again, the stats can be misleading, because a lot of immigrants and children of immigrants emigrate- our emigration rates are also very high- and a lot of those are immigrants going back. And of course, there's the fact that western society, with its freedoms, is generally attractive to young people, and I can see for myself muslims my age who want to be part of this society, perhaps more than their parents.

Last census said 2.8% of this country are muslim. I know we've just had a period of increase, but 40% is quite a claim. Population trends vary, they don't tend to keep going. Politicians have largely ignored immigration issues, because it's controversial and they are scared of saying the wrong thing, but that is starting to end aswell.

I've never said there aren't significant problems regarding Islam.

I've never said i'm a "free-thinker", and one thing I do resent is being told what I think. If you want to know what I think, ask me. I try to be a free thinker, I think most of us do, to get balanced views, but that's very difficult I find. All the things you name there aren't widespread trends- there's been one cartoon controversy, one set of terrorist attacks by muslims in this country.

"The demands of islamists will not be fulfilled until the whole word is crushed under the oldest form of fascism."- well think about it then. Is Islam going to take over the world? Of course not- history teaches us world domination is pretty much impossible. The mongols, the Romans, the Macedonians, all stronger and more fearsome, and much, much better organised, than the rag tag group that is Islamic terrorists.

"The oldest form of fascism", sorry, but you're showing ignorance here. Look up the Roman Empire to start with.

Well we only have to wait a few years to see who is wrong and who is right, so there isn't any point arguing that one, suffice to say I strongly disagree, and consider that fearmongering.

I'm not dismissing it, i'm telling you facts. Nick Griffin got less votes last European Election than he did the one before. That's factual.
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And of course MankyToes ignored it all. I'm pretty sure he's actually a muslim. He comes on here talking about his concern about islam. Then within a couple of days he's telling us what is in the hadiths. ST is probably another muslim, hence the support for MankyToes. ST's line is always "don't forget the sweetness of the Sufi muslims". Too late I say, too late. Tar them all with the same brush. Let them fight it out in public for which group (if any) should be tolerated - I'm past caring. There's no evidence any of them should be tolerated.

These muslims don't realise that every time they come on with their faux-concerned-educated-person disguise, our arguments just get stronger and better.

As my heroine would say "cheers, great, thanks a lot" :)
Of course you think i'm a muslim, if not a commie or a UAF. The thing i've found startling about groups like yours isn't that you don't like people like me- I expected that. It's that you deny that people like me exist. I know so many people who have similar views, white British people, educated people. But anti-Islam groups don't accept that. We are just scared to say the truth. We are worried about reprisal. We are spies and liars. I've been 100% honest with you people, but many of you can't accept that. That's unsettling for me. Having your existance questioned is an unsettling thing- but I guess if you accept we exist, you have to ask yourselves why we have these views, what we've realised, what we've learnt, what we see happening. And i'm trying to tell you that. I'm not telling you to change your mind, to leave the EDL, to vote LibDem. I'm just asking you to accept me for who I am, and debate with me reasonably. I don't think that's too much to ask, and if you really have faith in your convictions you shouldn't be so hostile to scrutiny. I genuinely want to say to the people who have been polite to me that i'm grateful though.

I knew that hadith because i've done research, it's not hard to find.

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This stuff about civil wars I keep reading about is embarrassing, honestly. There's no real evidence that it's gonna happen. Most of what you are saying is fair material for debate, but that's just silly. There are a lot of respected political commentators out there, and none i've heard think a civil war is coming, or that there's even a slim chance.

What i'd really appreciate would be if some of you would read about old Iraq, around a millenium ago, when it was the cultural hub of the world, the leader in invention and philosophy, a great society, and an Islamic one. We have a bad impression of Islam because, in the current climate, muslim countries are mainly illiberal and nasty, I don't disagree with that, I probably have more disagreements with Iran and Saudi Arabia than most of you. But to claim Islam is inevitably degenerative is both incredibly negative and historically false.

We have no evidence you tell me ?
We have 1400 years of evidence that it will happen again !
Even if we don't talk about islam any more there have been numerous religious war and civil wars in Europe ....
Before islam there was a multitude of religions in the Arabic peninsula , where are they , just tell me ?
There is a huge propaganda telling us about a so-called golden age of islam you will I think have to read more, for instance this article :
http://www.islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=389:how-islam-shaped-medieval-world&catid=92:john&Itemid=58
When you are talking about philosophy and physics you must know that Allah does whatever he wants and that he is not bound to any physical law....
And you should also read this great article from Bikini to Burqa :
http://sheikyermami.com/2010/01/11/a-yemeni-memoir-from-bikinis-to-burkas/
again check the videos above if the embedded player don't work here are the direct links :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAQ3yDaSoS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMC_TVuqS7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK1pnCldKZI

For the political commentator Enoch Powell !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wGtcloE0i8
it is 4 parts ...
See and hear what he said 40 years ago and look to where we are today ....
I took the time to give you some documentation please read it, watch it and come back later when it will be done
Why we love pigs ! Video
France Against Islamists !!
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MankyToes has ignored every piece of evidence presented (and there's been lots), and he's presented no counter-evidence except his opinion and assertion. Looking back through all his "contributions" the only website he references is the MCB. He cites the hadiths (which the vast majority of muslims have never even read). As someone who claims to be a politics student, you think he'd have been able to provide some references or URLs. Epic fail.

He came on here not seeking information. After a few clicks and seeing something about the BNP that went uncontested, he decided we were ignorant and he'd better re-educated us. Before I made my first post on here 4 weeks ago, I spent a couple of days reading around the site. And when I first heard about EDL last summer I read everything I could find about the organization on the internet. Even last summer I was fairly sure that EDL was not BNP.

I don't care if he's bogus or genuine. The only people I know who are not concerned about militant islam are middle-class intellectuals (and even some of them are very concerned). You just have to go to the pinknews.co.uk website and look at the comments to any story about islam - 70% of homos are seriously worried about it. And in the last 6 months I've personally got 12 people onto our side of this cause.

If it turns out I'm wrong and muslims are considerably less than 10% of the population in the next census, I'll be happy. If they are 10% or more, and the BNP form the government in 5 years, then I'll just have to accept that as a necessary evil. The British people wanted nothing to do with the BNP for most of that party's history. If they end up forming the government by 2015, it will be entirely due to the muslims and the traitorous British establishment. And the people like MankyToes who prefer to stand on the sidelines and pontificate rather than truly engage with the crisis.
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MankyToes has ignored every piece of evidence presented (and there's been lots), and he's presented no counter-evidence except his opinion and assertion. Looking back through all his "contributions" the only website he references is the MCB. He cites the hadiths (which the vast majority of muslims have never even read). As someone who claims to be a politics student, you think he'd have been able to provide some references or URLs. Epic fail.

He came on here not seeking information. After a few clicks and seeing something about the BNP that went uncontested, he decided we were ignorant and he'd better re-educated us. Before I made my first post on here 4 weeks ago, I spent a couple of days reading around the site. And when I first heard about EDL last summer I read everything I could find about the organization on the internet. Even last summer I was fairly sure that EDL was not BNP.

I don't care if he's bogus or genuine. The only people I know who are not concerned about militant islam are middle-class intellectuals (and even some of them are very concerned). You just have to go to the pinknews.co.uk website and look at the comments to any story about islam - 70% of homos are seriously worried about it. And in the last 6 months I've personally got 12 people onto our side of this cause.

If it turns out I'm wrong and muslims are considerably less than 10% of the population in the next census, I'll be happy. If they are 10% or more, and the BNP form the government in 5 years, then I'll just have to accept that as a necessary evil. The British people wanted nothing to do with the BNP for most of that party's history. If they end up forming the government by 2015, it will be entirely due to the muslims and the traitorous British establishment. And the people like MankyToes who prefer to stand on the sidelines and pontificate rather than truly engage with the crisis.
Bulls**t, and you know it. I've clicked on loads of those links, and often responded to their content. I haven't given links, but i've given facts and stats. If you request URL's you can have them, but I don't think there's much point, it's easy to find information if you want to, through google.

I've been on the BNP newsletter list for over a year, so you are again making incorrect assumptions. What you are saying is clearly wrong, because i've been a member of this site for ages. Again, if you want to know about my background, i'm happy to answer questions, but assuming is silly, espeically as you keep assuming wrongly.

Why are you referring to me indirectly? Is it a childish way of showing disrespect? That you don't care about lying is extremly unusual to me. I don't understand why middle class intellectuals wouldn't care, surely if civil war is looming, they have as much to loose as anyone? And being intellectuals, they should understand the situation better?

I'm not suprised gays aren't impressed by Islam, but it isn't like the other major religions have been good to them. By the way, i'm very much for gay rights, I don't think you have all the rights you should. I think Christians are more to blame for this than muslims.

That's good, i'll hold you to that, because 2.4 million is considered a high estimate for the muslim population of Britain http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/muslims-rise-while-christians-fall-in-britain_100149769.html- if we have a 60 million population, 2.5 million would be about 5%. You might be in for a shock when this census comes out, but we can only wait and see. I was actually referring to your comment that in the election after next the BNP will be in power though, my fault for not being clear.
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mank foot are you really serious when you say gays are more accepted in islam than christianity come on really now you are making yourself into a blinkered fool.
go and watch dispatches as what happened in that mosque would never happen in a modern church.
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Manky to be honest I sincerely believe you to be a Muslim. There have been plenty of Muslims whom have visited this site in the past, and use virtually the same arguments you put forward to justify their honey trap liberal view of the world. Unsurprisingly, they then revert to the marvels of the Islamic world that have long since disappeared off the radar. Furthermore, the arguments against the church always lie behind the facade.

You say you're only aware of a few Islamic terrorist atrocities within our shores, yet fail to mention the countless others that have been foiled by our over stretched security services. This to me is incomprehensible considering the amount of airtime various Islamic nut jobs have had on TV. Including the very surreal undercover mosque.

Tell me Manky, do you sincerely believe that Islamic beliefs are compatible with western philosophy? May I enquire where you actually live in Britain? Oh, and one more thing... is your name here: Mankytoes an anagram?
Blistering Barnacles!
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mankytoes: You into football mate?
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