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Topic Started: Apr 4 2010, 03:39 AM (1,884 Views)
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Apr 5 2010, 05:10 PM
I for one am tired of having people expecting me to justify why I do not want a vicious and alien creed forced upon me and my surroundings.
What he said ;)
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Apr 5 2010, 05:10 PM
Nice finish manky with Sura 109, which of course comes very quickly after Sura 98.6 "Indeed they who disbelieved among people of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein, those are the worst of creatures".

So with regard to balance there is indeed much to balance.

However I think we are all missing a point here,

WE JUST DON'T WANT IT !!!

It is alien to us and we just don't want it, and I for one am tired of having people expecting me to justify why I do not want a vicious and alien creed forced upon me and my surroundings.
its like the attack of the clones lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3XAIwEZpTg the dark side clouds everthing..
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i cant understand why time and time again we have to explaine and find excuses why we dont want islam here from a defensive point of view as if we have to answer to them somehow.at the end of the day islam will not be allowed to take over islamic terrorist have no place here.if there is any muslims who wish to join us do so otherwise you are by your own actions allowing it to happern ethier way it is happerning look around
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Apr 5 2010, 05:24 PM
Anumber1
Apr 5 2010, 05:10 PM
I for one am tired of having people expecting me to justify why I do not want a vicious and alien creed forced upon me and my surroundings.
What he said ;)
any british person who want's that must have something wrong with them
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manky your feet STINK sod offffffffff we know what you are its so obvious.

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Apr 5 2010, 05:00 PM
Mankytoes, i do not tolerate people who say UK should adopt sharia law, and call for the queen to convert to Islam.
I was at colledge and i was looking to make new friends, and the Muslims i tried to get on with ended up turning on me.
Got the right to smoke canabis on premesis, if you didn't let them they'll say it discrimination against there religion.
Got to play there own Music out loud, if you told them to turn it down or off they'd call you racist.
They whent around trying to get banned from every store in town.
They were pretty racist against the English people.

I do believe that there are moderates out there that want to be friends with many English people, but i'm still yet to meet one.
It's just the people who are intolarent to our culture and us, that's what i have a problem with.
I guess that's justified, I do tolerate them, as long as they aren't trying to achieve these goals by force. I try and be consistant, I also tolerate the National Front, and they say worse things in my opinion.

Well that's bad, you've had a bad experience and it's effected you, I don't blame you then.

MJ, i'm not saying muslims don't do any of that stuff, but I don't think they drink and shag as much, on average, not if they are practising, anyway (i'm technically a Christian, but wouldn't count myself as one).

Anumber, i'm not disputing there are those sort of verses in the Koran, although don't most relgions basically say that- believe in this, or you'll suffer in hell, quite threatening really when you think about it.

But do we all not want it? I mean, at all? Anyway, we have the freedom to move to pretty much any country in the wI thine want, generally without being forced to totally change how we act, it seems a bit unfair to expect people to instantly change, espeically considering we've established totally non-integrated "little England's" abroad, for instance in Spain. We live in a globalised world, I think multiculturalism is inevitable, it's a natural progression of capitalism. We've got to live together. I think there's lots of positive aspects we can focus on anyway.

Is Islam really forced upon anyone? I don't think so.
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Apr 5 2010, 05:37 PM
manky your feet STINK sod offffffffff we know what you are its so obvious.

no wonder students have got a bad name.
ones like him know absolutley FUK ALL but think they know everything.

they fuk it up for all the normal students.

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is islam really forced upon anyone? is this some sort of joke? I was intolerant of you at first because I saw you as just another smart assed student come here to laugh at the neandethal hooligans, but now I see that you are in fact a clueless f**kwit trying to goad us into making racist and sweeping statements that you can post on another forum.

f**k off.
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Sorry guys I was wrong, we do need them,

http://www.1001inventions.com/1001inventions

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/visitmuseum/galleries/1001_inventions.aspx

I mean it's gotta be true if he says so . . . .

http://www.1001inventions.com/media/video/obama

This should give you all something to chew on, what I can't understand though, given the tolerant and enlightened nature of Islam, is why I never see any kind of pro Christianity propaganda in their countries. I dunno, I must just keep missing it ! I really must try harder.
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Apr 5 2010, 05:20 PM
anyway back to business,
in working mans talk,
i think your a bit of a c**t personally mankytoes who knows f**k all about anything except what your polotics lecturer has taught you! is he a marxist by any chance? :D

I haven't met many commies at all actually, my university is suprisingly conservative. That's not very nice either, but i've done manual labour so feel free to talk to me in working mans talk.

Londonsw15, go on, what am I? My feet don't stink actually, it's a nicknamed linked to my surname.

I think genuinly you are all a little out of touch with the mainstream of society- people have concerns about Islam, but they aren't quite so apolocaliptic in their view of things. People said similar things after the Second World War when we had our first wave of non-white mass immigration about the black guys from the West Indies, but they've integrated really well eventually, I feel, you only need to watch the England team play. I know it takes time, but i'm confident muslims can too. It's a bit of a self fullfilling prophecy though- if we all approach this negatively, it won't work.
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we are being pestered constantly with twats at the min trying to tell us how good islam is and how bad christianity is well f**k offffffffffffffffffffffffff.
there is no place for islam in a democratic happy peacefull world.islam is not compatible with democracy islam is yearns for sharia law.
stoning beheadings and so on....POOOOOOOOOO MANK YOU SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL JOGGGGGGGGGGG ONNNNNNNNNN
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Apr 5 2010, 05:49 PM
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anyway back to business,
in working mans talk,
i think your a bit of a c**t personally mankytoes who knows f**k all about anything except what your polotics lecturer has taught you! is he a marxist by any chance? :D

I haven't met many commies at all actually, my university is suprisingly conservative. That's not very nice either, but i've done manual labour so feel free to talk to me in working mans talk.

Londonsw15, go on, what am I? My feet don't stink actually, it's a nicknamed linked to my surname.

I think genuinly you are all a little out of touch with the mainstream of society- people have concerns about Islam, but they aren't quite so apolocaliptic in their view of things. People said similar things after the Second World War when we had our first wave of non-white mass immigration about the black guys from the West Indies, but they've integrated really well eventually, I feel, you only need to watch the England team play. I know it takes time, but i'm confident muslims can too. It's a bit of a self fullfilling prophecy though- if we all approach this negatively, it won't work.
theres another thread somewhere for people who are on drugs :D

southern-loyal will be receptive to your posts though i rekon.
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realy it is you out of touch fella it is not a race thing islam is not a race so why play that card ? look at our demos to see the growing number of asain/black people ,they is only one thing you are overlooking extreme islam does not wish to become part of our culture we as a people are no more to them then animals
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Apr 5 2010, 05:50 PM
we are being pestered constantly with twats at the min trying to tell us how good islam is and how bad christianity is well f**k offffffffffffffffffffffffff.
there is no place for islam in a democratic happy peacefull world.islam is not compatible with democracy islam is yearns for sharia law.
stoning beheadings and so on....POOOOOOOOOO MANK YOU SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL JOGGGGGGGGGGG ONNNNNNNNNN
I don't think that- my mum and grandparents are practising Christians, so i've had that influence- I don't believe in relgion, but I certainly respect people, of any creed or religion, who practise peacefully and moderately.
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Apr 4 2010, 03:39 AM
Hiya, i'm an outsider here, and i'm unsure of my view of the EDL. I'm generally quite liberal leaning, so not really your taget audience, but I certainly understand the problems with radical Islam, i'm just concerned about the majority of muslims. I mean is this group just about radical Islam, really? I mean straight away I read about KFC and halal. Whatever your thoughts on halal, it's not an extremism issue. It's possibly an animal rights issue, but as you aren't taking on any other animal rights issues I am assuming you picked on it because it regards muslims, which kinda brings up the "Islamophobia" word you are clearly hoping to avoid. In another thread I clicked on I see the guy supports the BNP- no one picks on him for it, which is a bit concerning, I believe offically you distance yourselves from them, but is that really the attitude of the general members? I know muslims are the main minority the BNP targets, which is again a bit worrying. Obviously you'll get a few right wing twat tagalongs, that's inevitable, i'm just trying to work out if they have any swing in the group. My other main concern is that any anti-Islamism legislation, which you seem to promote, would, however well intentioned, actually lead to more separation, extremism and threat of terrorism.

If you want to know a bit about me, i'm 19, a politics student (so typical knowitall dicks, I know), not in any extreme group or anything, I looked into UAF because I do consider myself anti-fascist, but had the same kind of objections you guys have, I asked them about their attitude to what I consider the Islamic equivalent of the BNP and National Front, and got no answer, i'm hoping you guys are a bit more helpful. Thanks.
halal is an extremist view simply because extremism is not just muslim terrorists setting off bombs, but the total take over of the west (which they are doing), so every time a new mosque goes up or a halal kfc is formed etc, we are losing this battle even more, i cant speak for everyone here but me myself i am one of the few who dislike every muslims stand for on this forum, if you live with them... you would/will realise we cant live together, and that there 90% of all problems in this country somehow and someway there behind most criminal activity in the big cities, not just in england, but in scotland, wales, and large parts of europe too. Not forgetting canada, america, and australia, there a menice everywhere they go, and they dont want to live our way, they want to bring there way of 3rd world life to england, and everywhere westernised, its there religion.... to take over the world for their god.
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ok mank do they preach tolerance peace harmony integration in the mosque ?
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Apr 5 2010, 05:56 PM
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we are being pestered constantly with twats at the min trying to tell us how good islam is and how bad christianity is well f**k offffffffffffffffffffffffff.
there is no place for islam in a democratic happy peacefull world.islam is not compatible with democracy islam is yearns for sharia law.
stoning beheadings and so on....POOOOOOOOOO MANK YOU SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL JOGGGGGGGGGGG ONNNNNNNNNN
I don't think that- my mum and grandparents are practising Christians, so i've had that influence- I don't believe in relgion, but I certainly respect people, of any creed or religion, who practise peacefully and moderately.
now i dont want to scare you or anything in fact you might want to sit down
WHAT ABOUT THE MUSLIM EXTREMIST WHO HAVE BOMBED AND KILLED OUR PEOPLE IN OUR LAND DO YOU CLASS THAT AS PEACEFUL
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mankytoes, Thank you for your reply.

You seem to make the effort to answer everything and I think you have got plenty to say on everything laid before you.

Can one simple question lead to one simple answer without the need for an understanding of why it is asked?

If so then three simple questions can be asked and applied in the same way. I would identify the colour of my skin to be white. I am not racist.

Do you mankytoes think this makes me racist to identify my skin colour as white?
Do you consider me a racist if I ask you what colour do you identify your skin as?
What colour do you identify your skin as?

Three answers will develop three statements from myself.
If so where is it going to?Posted Image What is going to replace it?
I think colours play a part in English but cultures should be allowed to stay unchallenged and without prejudice in anybodies native country.
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Apr 5 2010, 05:58 PM
ok mank do they preach tolerance peace harmony integration in the mosque ?
ill ask again manky
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do you guys get the impression its always about questioning us and probing into our lack of understanding tolerance.
but as soon as we ask them questions them seem to bugger off
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Apr 5 2010, 05:49 PM
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I think genuinly you are all a little out of touch with the mainstream of society- people have concerns about Islam, but they aren't quite so apolocaliptic in their view of things. People said similar things after the Second World War when we had our first wave of non-white mass immigration about the black guys from the West Indies.
How can you compare people from the west indies to the mass immigration of islam. When they came over after world war two what did they bring with them? It certainly wasnt a hateful evil religion hell bent on destroying the british culture and beliefs. They came here to intigrate into our society and did it without huge problems. Now islam on the other hand is coming here on mass and is replacing our culture by force with major changes to our social structure!
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@ mankytoes, your niavety is breath taking.
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mankytoes, Thank you for your reply.

You seem to make the effort to answer everything and I think you have got plenty to say on everything laid before you.

Can one simple question lead to one simple answer without the need for an understanding of why it is asked?

If so then three simple questions can be asked and applied in the same way. I would identify the colour of my skin to be white. I am not racist.

Do you mankytoes think this makes me racist to identify my skin colour as white?
Do you consider me a racist if I ask you what colour do you identify your skin as?
What colour do you identify your skin as?

Three answers will develop three statements from myself.
Yeah, if you take time to reply to me i'll try and do the same- I haven't replied to all, but i've had a lot of comments.

No, I also indentify my skin colour as white, I mean that's factual.

No, someones racial background may affect their opinions. However, I honestly don't really indentify an indentity from my skin colour. In a perfect world skin colour would be irrelevant, but we don't live in a perfect world.

White, I don't know of any non-whites in my bloodline, my mums side has been traced English pretty far back. My dads adopted, so I don't know his, but he's very pale, we've done some research and reckon he's probably at least partly Jewish racially (if you consider jews a race).

LondonSW15, give me a bloody chance mate, I was eating my dinner. I've never been to a mosque, but i've seen significant evidence that in some mosques they preach things that could incite violence, thus are against UK laws, and this needs to be monitered in a way that respects the muslims that aren't breaking the law. You know most muslims in this country don't worship every week, like most Chritians? So it's hardly fair to judge them all by the way some mosques regard themselves- I don't doubt there are also many, many mosques which teach positive messages, like most churches.
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Apr 5 2010, 06:28 PM
@ mankytoes, your niavety is breath taking.
i concur :)
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Apr 5 2010, 06:28 PM
@ mankytoes, your niavety is breath taking.
If only he himself could see this!
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How can you compare people from the west indies to the mass immigration of islam. When they came over after world war two what did they bring with them? It certainly wasnt a hateful evil religion hell bent on destroying the british culture and beliefs. They came here to intigrate into our society and did it without huge problems. Now islam on the other hand is coming here on mass and is replacing our culture by force with major changes to our social structure!
Because the reaction was similar- many people reacted to that in the same way you guys are reacting to muslim immigration. The trouble is you are treating something which is really a very contentious opinion- that Islam is a "hateful evil religion hell bent on detroying the british culture and beliefs". I'm guessing you surround yourself with people who think the same way as you, which reinforces that belief.
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LondonSW15, give me a bloody chance mate, I was eating my dinner.


your a slow eater,
ive already had me tea! :blink:

in 'pub talk' what u rekon to the turkish pm telling all the turkish muslims in europe not to assimilate into european life?
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Mankytoes, you can come in here with your reasoning and thoughts, you can say that we're in the minority of how we feel but you're so wrong. Everyone I speak to feels the same, whether they're the younger members of my family, older members of my family, friends from all walks of life or people I deal with through work. They are sick of being made to feel like second class citizens in their own country, they are fed up with not being able to say what they like without bing made to feel like they're being racist. I for one, want England to be how it was when I was growing up, we didn't have'no go areas for whites', we could go where we liked, we didn't live in fear of getting attacked cos we were white and christian. I have nieces and nephews who haven't got the freedom I had when I was their age, what will this country be like when their children are growing up if we don't make a stand now? I don't even want to think about it. We have far too many in this country that hate us, hate England and hate our way of life, if they don't like it, they need to leave this country and go to one that suits them better as they are not welcome here and never will be.
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good one clee same goes for gadafi telling mislims to win by outbreeding because to a substantial number of muslims this is war.
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manky toes needs to get a school trip to goldwick oldham organised.
live the dream.
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Apr 5 2010, 06:39 PM
LondonSW15, give me a bloody chance mate, I was eating my dinner.


your a slow eater,
ive already had me tea! :blink:

in 'pub talk' what u rekon to the turkish pm telling all the turkish muslims in europe not to assimilate into european life?
You've gotta savour a fry up though.

I think it's wrong, but that isn't exactly what he said, he said "it was right for Turkish immigrants to learn German and other languages so they could integrate, but wrong to abandon their Turkish heritage and assimilate." (from a website called "jihadwatch"). I'm not really sure what he means by that, might be a bit lost in translation, because I see intergrating and assimilating as similar concepts. I'm not asking anyone to abandon their heritage either, just integrate into the society.

By the way guys, I live in Hull, not far from the worst council estate in Britain (as well as a halal supermarket), i'm hardly some Kensington liberal talking down to you lot.
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Mankytoes, you can come in here with your reasoning and thoughts, you can say that we're in the minority of how we feel but you're so wrong. Everyone I speak to feels the same, whether they're the younger members of my family, older members of my family, friends from all walks of life or people I deal with through work. They are sick of being made to feel like second class citizens in their own country, they are fed up with not being able to say what they like without bing made to feel like they're being racist. I for one, want England to be how it was when I was growing up, we didn't have'no go areas for whites', we could go where we liked, we didn't live in fear of getting attacked cos we were white and christian. I have nieces and nephews who haven't got the freedom I had when I was their age, what will this country be like when their children are growing up if we don't make a stand now? I don't even want to think about it. We have far too many in this country that hate us, hate England and hate our way of life, if they don't like it, they need to leave this country and go to one that suits them better as they are not welcome here and never will be.
dito for what you said, but even looking back say to when i was 15 (1995)growing up me and people i know were getting mugged in se london, always by blacks. got time blood yo bredrin got a blem aka cigarette then the pat down. rember one of my mates getting robbed for his trainers on london docklands light railway, fecking c**ts. always large numbers on to 1 or 2 mugging more like bandits, high way robbery.
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hmmmmmm...... :P
It's Lisa. Not Leeeeeza
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I was a teenager in the 80's and everything seemed so much better then. We don't have much trouble here anyway but if we go into either Derby or Notts at night, then we do tend to be a bit more careful
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hmmmmmm...... :P
That really helps calm the mood you know :P
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I was a teenager in the 80's and everything seemed so much better then. We don't have much trouble here anyway but if we go into either Derby or Notts at night, then we do tend to be a bit more careful
Bit rose tinted perhaps? I'm a West Ham fan, and I know for a fact it was a hell of a lot more dangerous in the 80's. East London is dodgy, but not as dodgy as people think- most teenagers killed are kids in gangs killing kids in gangs.
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“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

"There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. we don't need terrorists, we don't need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
– Muammar Gaddafi, Dictator of Libya

"“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.”
– Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of Iran

""Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world."
– Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran
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I was a teenager in the 80's and everything seemed so much better then. We don't have much trouble here anyway but if we go into either Derby or Notts at night, then we do tend to be a bit more careful
Bit rose tinted perhaps? I'm a West Ham fan, and I know for a fact it was a hell of a lot more dangerous in the 80's. East London is dodgy, but not as dodgy as people think- most teenagers killed are kids in gangs killing kids in gangs.
No, not rose tinted at all, I was more on about where I live, we never had any of thetypes of trouble when I was growing up as we do now. I think the only one who has rose tinted glasses or maybe even blinkers, is you, sorry
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9n5JnH9wYU

gadaffis not thinking along your lines mankytoes ^o)
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“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

"There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. we don't need terrorists, we don't need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
– Muammar Gaddafi, Dictator of Libya

"“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.”
– Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of Iran

""Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world."
– Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran
It'll never rule me, I'd rather die first
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Apr 5 2010, 07:14 PM
“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

"There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. we don't need terrorists, we don't need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
– Muammar Gaddafi, Dictator of Libya

"“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.”
– Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of Iran

""Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world."
– Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran
It'll never rule me, I'd rather die first
and me.

maliks not thinking that way tho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBLztSJoWmw

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Apr 5 2010, 05:24 PM
Anumber1
Apr 5 2010, 05:10 PM
I for one am tired of having people expecting me to justify why I do not want a vicious and alien creed forced upon me and my surroundings.
What he said ;)
any british person who want's that must have something wrong with them
"What he said" usually reflects the opinions of the person quoted. What did you read?
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clee39
Apr 5 2010, 07:14 PM
“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

"There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. we don't need terrorists, we don't need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
– Muammar Gaddafi, Dictator of Libya

"“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.”
– Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of Iran

""Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world."
– Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran
Lets get a bit philosophical here, and remember that these people think Islam is truth, that Allah and Muhammed are the real sources of good, and that you must be a muslim to get into heaven. So they think the world will adopt their truth.

But conquering is so difficult. I mean if you look at the great empires in history- Persian, Roman, Macedonian, British, they aren't sustainable. The idea that, with Europe's entrenched values, the eastern arab culture could envelop ours, holds very little value, because they couldn't really do that. How many white Europeans have converted to Islam? Negligable. It's not a real threat, it won't happen. Also, the further down generations get, the less radical and more secular they get, a lot of them respect our culture, even if they aren't fully involved in it. Finally, treating Islam as united is as naive as thinking that of Christianity, it's just as divided as Protestants and Catholics with Sunnis and Shias, they kill and hate each other in many places.

Always remember, the goal of terrorists is to spread fear. If you let the muslim terrorists of 9/11 and 7/7 affect your life, they've won. That's why i'm determined not to let them effect me, they won't change my view on people, they will not win. And I really believe that. What they want is for us to go crazy, start lynching muslims in retaliation- then the moderate muslims will join with them in outrage, and there will be civil war. It won't happen, because we are too strong to fall for that, to fall into that thinking.

And if you guys who like the BNP are anti-Gaddafi, you might want to find out all about the links they've had with each other.
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Clee, he needs getting out. This country has gone absolutelt crazy, or at least the government has, I'm sure they should all be sectioned
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Scott_Lee
Apr 5 2010, 05:24 PM
Anumber1
Apr 5 2010, 05:10 PM
I for one am tired of having people expecting me to justify why I do not want a vicious and alien creed forced upon me and my surroundings.
What he said ;)
Me too
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Scott_Lee
Apr 5 2010, 07:27 PM
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Apr 5 2010, 05:30 PM
Scott_Lee
Apr 5 2010, 05:24 PM

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any british person who want's that must have something wrong with them
"What he said" usually reflects the opinions of the person quoted. What did you read?
i dont want a vicious alien creed forced upon me and my surrounding ;)
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to the OP you are really wrong about halal, yes it is about animal rights but NOT only ....
The probability that you have already eaten halal food without knowing it is equal to one, which means basically that when buying your meat you have given money to the organisms of certifications and to a mosque nearby !
Not all the meat is used in halal and kosher so they put it in the traditional circuit without even mentioning it, if people would know that most of them won't buy these evil meats, mechanically the price of halal and kosher food will rise, in other words you are paying for their cults but also for their food !
Don't you get it ?
And what about forcing people to eat halal in public schools, hospitals, prisons ?
You MUST understand that their strategy is to change every aspect of our life, but they do it bit by bit ...
People who don't understand the seriousness of halal is digging their own graves !
They already are talking here about islamic finance and this week-end an Halal food fair was held in Paris !
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=56467
People accepting these obscurantists practices are simply out of their mind !
Read this article too : http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2010/02/23/01016-20100223ARTFIG00781-nous-avons-tous-deja-mange-de-la-viande-halal-ou-casher-.php&sl=fr&tl=en

Please if anybody here have specific informations in English about how halal food is sold as normal meat, please post it !
Why we love pigs ! Video
France Against Islamists !!
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Ali12
Apr 5 2010, 07:30 PM
Clee, he needs getting out. This country has gone absolutelt crazy, or at least the government has, I'm sure they should all be sectioned
theres a civil or race war coming and anyone who doesnt think so is seriously deluded.
we are walking straight into another yugoslavia.
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Mankytoes 'Also, the further down generations get, the less radical and more secular they get, a lot of them respect our culture, even if they aren't fully involved in it.'

How can you say that, do you not realise that a lot of suicise bombers are young, do you not know that these terrorists are brainwashing young kids into hating us and training them to become killers?
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mankytoes
Apr 5 2010, 07:27 PM
clee39
Apr 5 2010, 07:14 PM
“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

"There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. we don't need terrorists, we don't need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."
– Muammar Gaddafi, Dictator of Libya

"“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.”
– Ayatollah Khomeini, Supreme Leader of Iran

""Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world."
– Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of Iran
Lets get a bit philosophical here, and remember that these people think Islam is truth, that Allah and Muhammed are the real sources of good, and that you must be a muslim to get into heaven. So they think the world will adopt their truth.

But conquering is so difficult. I mean if you look at the great empires in history- Persian, Roman, Macedonian, British, they aren't sustainable. The idea that, with Europe's entrenched values, the eastern arab culture could envelop ours, holds very little value, because they couldn't really do that. How many white Europeans have converted to Islam? Negligable. It's not a real threat, it won't happen. Also, the further down generations get, the less radical and more secular they get, a lot of them respect our culture, even if they aren't fully involved in it. Finally, treating Islam as united is as naive as thinking that of Christianity, it's just as divided as Protestants and Catholics with Sunnis and Shias, they kill and hate each other in many places.

Always remember, the goal of terrorists is to spread fear. If you let the muslim terrorists of 9/11 and 7/7 affect your life, they've won. That's why i'm determined not to let them effect me, they won't change my view on people, they will not win. And I really believe that. What they want is for us to go crazy, start lynching muslims in retaliation- then the moderate muslims will join with them in outrage, and there will be civil war. It won't happen, because we are too strong to fall for that, to fall into that thinking.

And if you guys who like the BNP are anti-Gaddafi, you might want to find out all about the links they've had with each other.
its demiographic warfare...nothing more nothing less.
they cant beat us with conventional warfare so this is how they will conquer europe then the world.
dont delude yourself.
ITS HAPPENING.
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