| Welcome to Edl The Forum. We hope you enjoy your visit. You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
| Dudley problems we witnessed | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 3 2010, 07:07 PM (2,566 Views) | |
| dave19 | Apr 4 2010, 06:31 PM Post #151 |
Newbie
|
Cheers beer_is_good. I'm not fussed about it to be honest, sticks and stones and all that And yes ujac, he's a great lad ain't he? The racist prick called him "taliban" the f**king idiot. He soon shut up though when no one backed him. Edited by dave19, Apr 4 2010, 06:31 PM.
|
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 07:12 PM Post #152 |
|
Deleted User
|
I think I saw you at the demo, but then again there were a few mixed-race blokes there. If anyone wants an identifiable group to stand with in future, where they can be sure there will be no tolerance of racism, then find the gay group. We had a blast yesterday. When I see people saying they were scared off future demos, I can hardly believe they were at the same demo as me. Admitteldy, I didn't see the poor bloke who was bottled though - that would have really depressed me if I'd seen that. I can understand that would really affect someone's view of the day. I wish the police had snipers and just took out scum bags who do things like that. They don't deserve to live. As for the 600 or so tossers who broke down the fencing - where were the police? They formed a wall of bodies down each side on the way in, stopped us having even thin sticks for flags, yet were nowhere in sight at the end. They were unprofessional, unlike the Met and even GMP. Those tossers were undisciplined locals. You can bet none of them will make it Aylesbury, or any future demo that is not in Dudley. Maybe it's time EDL said to the people of Dudley "when you can sort out your people, we'll come back, until then there's plenty of other places we can demonstrate". That would make it clear they were not a core part of our support. Personally, I would say the demo at Dudley was 2x or 3x the size of the Bolton demo (so 4000-6000). In Bolton we were hemmed into about 1/4 of the town hall square. In Dudley we had a massive car park, yet when I arrived at the car park it was a sea of heads (and I was in the last 20% of the muster). We do have to remember that 2000 people rioted in a shop in the centre of BanglaTown (east london) yesterday, over something as trivial as clothing. |
|
|
| Lotta | Apr 4 2010, 10:59 PM Post #153 |
|
Next time anyone turns up wearing Blood and Honour t-shirts you should ask them to leave. Whether they were UAF or Nazis, it doesn't look good. The police probably let the locals who tore up the fences run off home because they were local and it served no purpose to keep them in the car park. They were better off just going home and being let out to go home, the police more than likely already knew them as local kids and decided that it was better to let them run off home. Twats creating childish trouble and trying to make you look silly on demos [ie lampost man] are the least of your worries. While you are busy worrying about them and talking about fighting hippies from the UAF, there will be seriously dangerous people creeping up behind you when your eye is off the ball. If you want widespread public support I don't think that it is wise to demo too much against mosques. It is hardcore fascist Islamic extremist groups such as Hizb-ut-Tahrir and Islam4UK that pose a real threat. Concentrate on them. Moderate Muslims don't like them much and it is within such groups that actual terror is planned. The last thing you want is moderate Muslims feeling that they might want to join these groups to fight the EDL, there are some Muslims who support the EDL, don't alienate them. As for membership lists : No f**king way. Membership lists get leaked and end up in the wrong hands. It's happened with a political party [BNP] and the UAF mailing list has appeared on this forum. It's usually infiltrators who start pushing for membership lists and asking for mailing lists. |
![]() |
|
| Gilltan | Apr 4 2010, 11:14 PM Post #154 |
|
Newbie
|
i missed the demo but im going to say thank you for holding it... im a dudly local and i thank you in standing for what you believe in and to get it into the councils thick skulls we don't what a god dam super mosque in dudley... THANK YOU TO ALL THE PEACEFUL EDL MEMBERS FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN OUR COMMUNITY |
| |
![]() |
|
| guypatriot | Apr 4 2010, 11:20 PM Post #155 |
Member
|
Hello Lone Wolf Welcome to the site. I guess the first issue would be that the EDL is going for static protests rather than marches which I guess is down to planning legislation. However if I am reading this right and apply this to a static protest then you're saying is that a demo would have two areas. One for members and one for non members. I think that is a very interesting idea in light of what happened at Dudley. Regards |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 11:20 PM Post #156 |
|
Deleted User
|
Gilltan: Thanks for the support and welcome. |
|
|
| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 06:02 PM Post #157 |
|
Deleted User
|
we most certainly will - but plane ticket prices are a big fckn issue - its unbelievable the recent hikes
looks more respectable (no offence to any demo attendees already) the formations at the walks and more "warrior/soldier/defenders of britain" feel. |
|
|
| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 06:09 PM Post #158 |
|
Deleted User
|
How many Ulster lads have we got? I bet its expensive as hell to fly over here, especially when its only for one day. Your probably better off just waiting for a demo over there mate. |
|
|
| Lone_Wolf | Apr 6 2010, 06:14 PM Post #159 |
Newbie
|
i'd rather see a disiplined march of a few hundred than the sort of rabble that dudley attracted. its much harder to call a group of silent and wel behaved marchers thugs and hooligans. not saying that nobody else should come t odemos, but if the tone is set from the beginning they might be less likely to start trouble. |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 06:19 PM Post #160 |
|
Deleted User
|
we have a few things in the making it is expensive and the UDL has near 150 + "official" members. very few on here though, we prefer to not be internet warriors
|
|
|
| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 06:21 PM Post #161 |
|
Deleted User
|
Aha I'm glad you do mate. You boys just wait for a demo over there, it will be worth it
|
|
|
| Deleted User | Apr 6 2010, 06:22 PM Post #162 |
|
Deleted User
|
Ulster day (28th September) and 12th july should be good ones full of mainlanders! |
|
|
| SYBERCHEF | Apr 6 2010, 09:32 PM Post #163 |
|
There were at least 200 who stormed the fences in Dudley.I do wonder what the percentage is of true EDL there is at these Demos! Not sure how we are going to deal with the idiots but only allowing members to demos isnt the greatest of ideas (as much as id like to say it was) as id like to think i could bring a newcomer to a demo, so they could make up their own mind on the EDL! Surely thats one of the best ways to recruit? |
![]() |
|
| loopy | Apr 6 2010, 09:57 PM Post #164 |
|
bang on mate, why were we being made to stand around like sheep for that amount of time. police ploy to cause unrest no doubt. i am local and i wanted to be a part of what is supposed to be my right. the steward who got smacked at the front did not have the right nature or attitude for the job to be fair, i heard him giving it some myself, i also heard a policeman tell some lads to lift the fences out their bases instead of struggling to pull them down ! What was the release plan before a thousand people decided they were being unfairly held against their wishes , , 60 a time per coach the megaphone said. we would have been there for hours more. also local muslim mp goes on local news to praise muslim youngsters for NO arrests ! blatant lie, arrests for possessing cleavers and bats ! fact. ALSO 6 EDL LADS AMBUSHED ON WAY IN BY APPROX 30 OF THESE INNOCENT MUSLIM YOUTHS . NOTHING ON NEWS THOUGH, SURPRISE SURPRISE. TURN OUT FOR ST GEORGE AND STAY PROUD TO BE ENGLISH. |
![]() |
|
| loopy | Apr 6 2010, 10:09 PM Post #165 |
|
agreed, we were there to be heard, not graze ! |
![]() |
|
| Lotta | Apr 7 2010, 09:26 PM Post #166 |
|
Now that what has happened with the fences etc has been explained, we should all thank the people who defended the rest of us. Fair play to all of the lads who tore down the fences and defended all of us. Thank you. |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 09:55 PM Post #167 |
|
Deleted User
|
And who will take any notice of that? Truth of the matter, and it may be an uncomfortable truth, is the EDL has got recognition because of occurences like that. Two hundred well-behaved people marching quietly where the old bill want them to will change nothing. I have encountered no derogatory comments from loads of people in the West Midlands,, and to be honest the attitude of WMP (not going crazy and batonning everyone in sight in response to what happened) has puzzled me slightly. It seems the 'trouble' is only being built up on here |
|
|
| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 10:02 PM Post #168 |
|
Deleted User
|
We're (in the main) working class British, its what we do when someone confronts us, it may be unsavoury to some but its a harsh reality of the real world. The police should accept, like we're always forced to accept with other races, that it is part of our culture and they should keep chances of confrontation to a minimum as its odds on people will react. They have been trying to breed the fighting spirit out of us since we have no longer been needed in our hundreds of thousands for this country's cannon fodder and it is not going to happen.... |
|
|
| Lone_Wolf | Apr 7 2010, 10:10 PM Post #169 |
Newbie
|
so youre saying that the edl has been built on civil disorder and that is should continue to riot sopeople take notice of it and that we're working class so thats how we should behave? not only that, but its the coppers fault that the edl rioted in dudley. they should have known better than to keep big tough guys like yourself under control like that. ive not heard such s**te for about 20 years. stop wanking off to your own reflection kid, youre not half as hard as you think. |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 10:24 PM Post #170 |
|
Deleted User
|
the edl has come such a long way in a very short time. EDL is still learning, every demo presents the leaders with something else that needs to be tackled, it is working ... we can not evolve without learning from the mistakes, nor the issues. Everyone who attends a demo has a responsibility to help the leaders / stewards in removing the twats from the demos. united together we can and will remove the worms, the message to blood and honor, NF, racist pricks and those that cause trouble ... is simple ... your not welcome and will be ejected .... As with anything in life their will always be a mindless moron who will do something that does not represent the majority, what is key is that everyone else doesn't fall into the trap and 'follow the idiot' .... |
|
|
| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 10:25 PM Post #171 |
|
Deleted User
|
'wanking off to my own reflection'? you need to calm down mate, this is about constructive debate between patriots, not silly little insults over the Internet. I am talkiing about the real world, and what this movement has been built on. Working class ciulture in this country has always been intrinsically linked with violence, its a fact of life. Now what I did say, tongue in cheek (which you missed with your fit of moral indignation), was that the police know the demographics of your average EDL demo, they know we're not the Womens Institue, therefore they should make allowances for that Do you think people would even be on the streets in the numbers we witnessed at Dudley if it wasn't for the football hooligans who took to the streets in the first place? Those brave lads risked all - being branded racists and extremists- for what they believed and now you wish to condemn them as common thugs? It's great the movements going mainstream but I refuse to sit by and let people brand patriotic ordinary working class lads for, in their own way, sticking up for themselves and in their eyes confronting the enemy of their people |
|
|
| Lone_Wolf | Apr 7 2010, 10:28 PM Post #172 |
Newbie
|
brave lads risking all? hahahahahahaha!! a bunch of idiots who cant behave themselves for more than 20 minutes at a time are hardly brave lads. if you have such a hard on for the footie lads then I suggest you go and join homo sapiens division, Im sure they'll have room for you. |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 10:29 PM Post #173 |
|
Deleted User
|
Great comeback mate, proper constructive and adult..... |
|
|
| loopy | Apr 7 2010, 10:31 PM Post #174 |
|
yeah, police have to take some blame, if you had nothing to do with the rest of the day than just stand there like a sheep than thats your choice, hundreds, yes hundreds decided they had been f***ed around enough and had made there point,they joined march (250 yards up a deserted road to empty car park in ghost town, big impact that made!) to support the edl and wanted to go home. whats your reflection tell you ? |
![]() |
|
| northamptontone | Apr 7 2010, 10:35 PM Post #175 |
|
i witnessed what happened in dudley with my own two eyes , firstly what happened to the stewards was wrong and i now hope people realise that the stewards are 1oo%edl and this will not happen again,but secondly the true E.D.L was started by football lads luton migs so we have to look what happened in dudley, we blame it on the locals but was it the locals firstly were herded in like cattle into a cage surrounded by police why should we be treated like that wen its our country ,then the uaf are allowed to come that close there allowed to throw bottles and missiles at us i spoke to a lot of locals in dudley and theye had enough,the support we got from those people was brilliant as we were escorted in on the coaches people stopped and got out of there cars ,people come out of there houses,and even the hells angels applauded us, so as far as im concerned i would rather my tax money go towards a few fence panels than an 18 million pound mosque so if the locals did cause the trouble it was there emotions comin out the same as what happened in luton after the troops homecomin weve had enough ,the E.D.L are always gonna be slated but who cares if we get noticed we get noticed we are good people who r proud of our country and people are starting to notice us |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 10:39 PM Post #176 |
|
Deleted User
|
Well said Northampton, yes the United People Of Luton was set up by football lads, so was Concerned Citizens of Birmingham. The lads who went out in the early days to places like Birmingham, Wood Green and Whitechapel etc did risked a lot, people easily forget what it was like to be branded racist, pre-EDL, how it could effect your job etc but they did it because they felt they had to and without them the EDL wouldn't exist |
|
|
| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 10:41 PM Post #177 |
|
Deleted User
|
Leave the LBGT division out of this please
|
|
|
| loopy | Apr 7 2010, 10:51 PM Post #178 |
|
20 minutes at a time ? i think you need a new watch, fella. i tell you what, lets all join hands anf sing 'cum by yar'. sounds like you wanna be not seen and not heard, why bother turn up ? footie has nothing to do with anything, what is your point ? |
![]() |
|
| northamptontone | Apr 7 2010, 11:01 PM Post #179 |
|
you no what im saying villa ie noticed a lot of people slating the edl for being hooligans but where did it start it took a group of lads with balls to start what weve got now if it wasnt for the footie lads the edl wouldnt exist oh and by the way im a villa fan to |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 11:09 PM Post #180 |
|
Deleted User
|
Why is Lone_Wolf trying stir things up with LGBT div and other EDL people? Lone_Wolf has appeared in the last 3 days, and straight away says he's all for splitting up EDL demos into members & "tag-alongs". I'm with VillaLoyal and give due credit to casuals united the people who set up EDL. Lone_Wolf is sending me PMs saying how racist and anti-gay people in EDL are. I've told him that the vast majority of EDL i've met have been neither racist nor anti-gay. Yet on his brief knowledge of EDL (he joined 3 days ago), he's saying they are lying. I think he's solely here to cause division. His profile says he was born in 1993, yet he claims to know gay skinheads from the 1980s. He also claims to have been involved with nationalists in the 1980s, yet he has lots of gay mates who are scared of supporting EDL because his mates think EDL is more right-wing than BNP. It's all bollocks. In the 60 or so posts he's made there are more snide anti-gay remarks than from everyone else I've come across in all my involvement in EDL. Whether he is from the far-right or UAF, I think he should just go and play with his own kind. |
|
|
| luton gooner | Apr 7 2010, 11:11 PM Post #181 |
|
you seen it diferent to me fella. the stewards there when the 1st aider had a fit were the 1st ones in there clearing space around the guy on the floor. |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 11:12 PM Post #182 |
|
Deleted User
|
Yes of course I think the tossers who caused trouble at Dudley read this forum ! Do you seriously believe they do not ? I have no doubt some of them are getting a kick out of reading our posts wondering how we are to eliminate them from our worthy and noble group . Get real and accept that these far right plonkers think they are amongst friends and are going nowhere . Its up to EVERYONE who detests these pricks to stand up and be counted when the next demo takes place . |
|
|
| studio | Apr 7 2010, 11:14 PM Post #183 |
banned
|
isnt lone wolf the action of C18 wanna be's? week end warriors with tats on the monitor and muscles on the key board, maybe his porn quota has run out for the month.... |
![]() |
|
| Heathen | Apr 7 2010, 11:33 PM Post #184 |
|
Member
|
I only count as one, HS, but as far as i'm concerned you are doing a hell of a good job, and have my full support and respect, no matter your orientation. You should not let people like that get to you! |
|
Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil – Thomas Mann The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil.... is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke All political parties must be held responsible, and that takes a strong grassroot movement! - Tim Phillips | |
![]() |
|
| Span | Apr 7 2010, 11:41 PM Post #185 |
|
EDL Grandad Division
|
Sorry mate either i didnt explain myself properly .Which is the usual case ![]() or you dont get what i was saying. I was saying there were young lads with hi vis vests on that were not stewards. up near the departure point, An officer had asked On the walkie talkies,for the people to be moved back from the road area, I approched a group of these lads, thinking they were stewards. And when they turned around they didnt have the badge on the front of the jacket, And were just Muppets lol , |
|
Acts 9:18 | |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 7 2010, 11:50 PM Post #186 |
|
Deleted User
|
On an ideal day, if their is need to treat someone - I was treating that Medic who had the fit - we need stewards to get rid of people. I know on this occassion there was `other stuff` going on, so can understand. I know stewards were there first - but when you get members of the public leaning in saying `I am a first aider` do it this way - you can do without it. Ok, fair enough he offered his services, but he told two trained Medics the wrong way to do stuff - which could have made this fella worse. He would not listen when we said we had it sorted - I just hope he ain`t near any of you if you ever need medical help. Things are getting sorted for future demos regarding more stewards and more medic cover. Can I just request if anyone, steward or not, sees people crowding around - can you politely ask them to move - not just 2 feet back. |
|
|
| luton gooner | Apr 7 2010, 11:53 PM Post #187 |
|
why didnt ya say that in the 1st place.... pmsl. now you come to mention it your right. didnt pay much attention to it but now you have said , yeah there were a few with out badges on the front. yellow Hi Vis vests. |
![]() |
|
| trig | Apr 8 2010, 12:03 AM Post #188 |
|
10/10
|
I aint defending everything Lonewolf had said. However, there are not enough people on here actually speaking out about the shambles of Dudley. We marched into the carpark and the police were all fine at this point. The speeches began, and immediately **** insults were shouted with a lot of laughing. Then for no reason at all a large number of supporters began attempting to break through the barriers to attack the police and get into town and at the local muslims. This was not an isolated occurrence. Happing a lot with vast numbers of people getting to town. We are told it was a minority of extremists, local chaves, etc etc. For the good of the cause, we must address these points, as this happend most dramaticaly in Stoke, but also at Bolton but luckily no one broke the police baseline. Excuses are being thrown about from it being just the far right and not enough stewards. Is the real reason not just too many lads. Actual EDL who come for a scrap hopefully with the UAF, police and muslims. |
![]() |
|
| Lone_Wolf | Apr 8 2010, 12:12 AM Post #189 |
Newbie
|
anti gay statements? where? as for trying to split and cause division, where? as for sending you pms about how racist and anti gay the edl is, thats a f**king lie and you know it. i asked how the gay division was doing and was surprised it had so many members given the attitudes that have been voiced on this forum and the facebook pages in the past. i also said I was concerned that there was still a large percentage of hooligans in the edl that werent interested in change, but you have twisted what I said and made it into something else. as for splitting edl marches, again, you have only read the bits that suit you. what I said what that i would prefer to see future marches organised along the lines of the orange parades, with the leadership and core members as one disciplined march and the public who have come along to be markedly seperate from that so that if there is any trouble it cannot be connected to the edls leadership. you are snide lying bastard. if my profile says i was born in 1993 then its because i just chose the first date available when i joined. Im actually 38 and was born in 1971. |
![]() |
|
| Deleted User | Apr 8 2010, 12:38 AM Post #190 |
|
Deleted User
|
Thanks for posting those PMs. It saved me having to do it. If others don't think that you are sowing division in those, and you telling people to join the "pansy division" just because you don't like what they're saying, then fair enough. I'm not perfect, but I'm no liar. People on this forum did not trust me for weeks, and I certainly was not sowing division like you are within 3 days. But I'll stand by my contribution here, on the demos and elsewhere. If I've mistaken your intentions I look forward to seeing you make a positive contribution, and then I'll apologize. I have no difficulty admitting when I'm wrong. edit: Strange, Lone_Wolf has removed the PMs he posted.. Added by Road_Hog. No, I removed the post. Private messages are just that, private, not to be posted on the open forum. Edited by Road_Hog, Apr 8 2010, 01:35 AM.
|
|
|
| Deleted User | Apr 8 2010, 01:34 AM Post #191 |
|
Deleted User
|
Thread locked now as its turning into a slanging match. |
|
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
| « Previous Topic · EDL Chat · Next Topic » |
| Track Topic · E-mail Topic |
3:29 PM Jul 11
|
Feliz Navidad (Gold) created by Sarah & Delirium of the ZNR




it is expensive and the UDL has near 150 + "official" members. very few on here though, we prefer to not be internet warriors
3:29 PM Jul 11