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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 11:26 PM Post #101 |
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The gay group was standing right by the fences as they were knocked down, and the tossers ignored everyone shouting at them to stop. The group you see running away in the background at the start of the video were all inside on the demo with us. You can see they are not EDL hoodies. When you later see a couple of EDL stewards running with the crowd in the foreground of that video, these were brave chaps trying to get up ahead of that crowd of idiots and head them off. The police stood about like a bunch of plonkers. I've praised the police at London and Bolton. At Dudley they seemed to go from over-reacting (no flags on sticks, not even a little plastic stick; police vans all the way along the muster), to riot police surrounding the demo, to doing sweet FA before and after those fences came down. I really feel for the stewards who were attacked. And I hope the police had plenty of video surveillance on the people who were causing the trouble inside the demo. |
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| willcpfc | Apr 3 2010, 11:27 PM Post #102 |
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yes I did. I got to peacefully protest as did the majority of fellow patriots. a car park was not ideal but the event was worthwhile. |
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| orlando | Apr 3 2010, 11:30 PM Post #103 |
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Today I attended my first demo with the EDL. Despite some minor incidents happening towards the end of the rendezvous, it was a great success and we have to acknowledge it as such. Coming together as we did it's not just about being seen and heard but about creating a community united with common goals and objectives within the counter jihad movement both in the UK and abroad. I have meet some extraordinary individuals today! Made new friendships, exchanged information and participated and intellectually stimulating discussions. Well done to everyone who organized the demo and particularly to the stewards. Some of the comments above are far too negative and short sighted, quite frankly. Don't let those minor incidents put you off. If more of us who are interested in peaceful protesting participated more actively, surely that will have a bigger impact to those who are new to the scene or local youths looking for an escape valve for which to vent their frustrations at the perceived islamization of their city. I'm not excusing them but rather trying to understand them, and for someone who in the past participated in dozens of demos in the anarchist/ far left scene, well, todays demo was quite chilled compared to many I have been in the before. Well done everybody, it was a superb day out in a beautiful part of England. |
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| Ian JL | Apr 3 2010, 11:33 PM Post #104 |
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I personally think the same as somebody who has already mentioned already, I can't remember who, but more stewards if possible and also groups of stewards wondering around inside the EDL main areas perhaps talking in general asking if people are ok and mentioning things like "lets not rise to any provocaters if any should show their ugly mugs" But I am sure somebody can change my words for an easier and better understanding. Stewards on the perimeters is a great idea to stop people attacking the fences. I really do think this could be the answer. |
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If so where is it going to? I think colours play a part in English but cultures should be allowed to stay unchallenged and without prejudice in anybodies native country. | |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 11:33 PM Post #105 |
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We know which tossers here think this furthers our cause. They are in the minority. If the police had their act together, they could absolutely, positively have stopped the break out at the end. When we walked into that car park we were surrounded down both flanks, when we left there wasn't a copper for 100 metres near the area where they broke out. And after they'd broken out and run away, those of us who had been stood doing nothing were surrounded by riot police with batons and shields, barking orders at us... as we peacefully shuffled towards the bus as we had been doing before, during and after the breakout. I blame the police before I blame the EDL. Without becoming members only, there is no way for EDL supporters to control yobos. But the police could have done it and chose not to. |
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| Habeas Corpus | Apr 4 2010, 12:07 AM Post #106 |
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http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/birmmail/apr2010/2/1/edl-protests-in-dudley-image-3-197893059.jpg UAF infiltrator or an idiot? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 12:12 AM Post #107 |
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nah hes waving at the crowd gettin em hyped up, not a n**i salute if thats what you meant |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 12:14 AM Post #108 |
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Don't know to be honest but fair play to the steward trying to get him down. |
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| Habeas Corpus | Apr 4 2010, 12:16 AM Post #109 |
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I dunno, who waves in the perfect nazi salute. It doesn't look like the obvious non-salutes the UAF like to upload all over youtube. It's the right angle, his fingers are tight together and its the right arm. EDIT: response to helomofo Edited by Habeas Corpus, Apr 4 2010, 12:16 AM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 12:18 AM Post #110 |
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One thing is for sure, the guy is an absolutely prick for climbing up that post. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 12:19 AM Post #111 |
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yeah you're right. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 12:22 AM Post #112 |
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First off I want to make it plainly clear that I love the Midlands period . I met some sound people in every sense of the word and I wouldnt change that for the world . There was however an element present today that set us back ten fold , people who I would cross the road to avoid . I know rhetoric like that will infuriate some folks but if there is one thing I will never shy away from it is telling the truth . So it is with a heavy heart that I say for the good of the EDL if your soul intent when attending an EDL event is to cause violent scenes then stay within the four walls of your own abode |
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| nolongersilent | Apr 4 2010, 12:34 AM Post #113 |
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Spot on mate. |
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| e72k | Apr 4 2010, 12:38 AM Post #114 |
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Been saying this from day one and always got slagged off for it. Oh well. Congrats to all who made it up in retrosepct anyway. 3000 in less than a year = result. |
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| x_bolton_babe_x | Apr 4 2010, 12:45 AM Post #115 |
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why were there hardly anything like this in bolton. ano a few idiots ( bits of kids ) from bolton were going to start fights in dudley. actually makes me embarrased to be a bolton girl |
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| x_bolton_babe_x | Apr 4 2010, 12:49 AM Post #116 |
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http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/group.php?gid=105504176149626 EXACTLY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT SOME MUPPET PUTS A MESSAGE 'LETS ALL PHONE THIS UAF EDL HATER UP AND PUTS HIS NUMBER ON' MAKING EDL LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS! ( I DNT THINK THIS BUH I PITY WHAT OTHER PEOPLE R GONNA THINK ) |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 12:49 AM Post #117 |
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Because the locals are fking idiots. Thats the problem at demos, bored locals looking for an excuse for a punch-up. |
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| x_bolton_babe_x | Apr 4 2010, 12:51 AM Post #118 |
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i know, f**king idiots. so embarrasing. i always tell them tell me wot EDL STAND FOR.. and they use say bangin p***s.. f**kin idiots. just reported that mug, i cudnt care less baht uaf, bunch of idiots to me.. buh this lad could be any1 whos numbers hes put up. that what edl arnt about |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 03:15 AM Post #119 |
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Thing is myself and others I spoke with on the way back to the coaches felt gutted, gutted that it seemed we had taken a big step back after all we achieved at the last two, felt let down, not by the leadership, not by the majority of the EDL mainly by the local youthes that went with one aim ( they wern't even intrested in the speaches, so wern't intrested in why we were there ) they let down their town. Some said they may not go again ( having been to most demos ) and I felt the same way at that moment, however after a while and after much thought and discussion on the way home, myself and those on my coach at least realised we would be at the next. There are things that need changing but thats no easy thing. On the stewarding front I have a few ideas I will be putting forward, maybe at divisional meetings ideas for changes could be discussed, it is up to us all, not just the organisers to work solutions. As for the Welsh lads there were a group near me when things first kicked off, no where near where things kicked off. Let us work on solutions and move forward, we will get there, we have too. |
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| wookie533 | Apr 4 2010, 04:53 AM Post #120 |
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We are new and not everyone understands so we will get people joining incertain areas just to cause trouble its like the football hooligans without a rival firm. They like trouble but as long as we and the police film them we can get rid of them an also who knows they could have been uaf bringing us down after bolton. It will take time to weed them out but it will happen and I'm glad that no one on our side joined in we proved who the better people were |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 08:51 AM Post #121 |
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I don't know who you think you're talking to. Do you really think the tossers who caused problems at Dudley are reading this forum? There were plenty highly-motivated, dedicated, informed people on my coach. They don't even have accounts on this forum or facebook. You can be sure the trouble-makers at Dudley don't know or care what you said. In all likelihood they were locals. The fact that at the end they tore down the fencing and ran off from the groups going to the coaches showed they were locals. The question we should be asking is why the police decided to stop policing at that stage. In a sense I'm not surprised that undiscplined locals should vent their anger in this way. They have been ignored. Their anger is what Anjem Choudary predicts will turn into a civil war. There are groups on Facebook actively trying to recruit EDL people into joining a "resistance army". |
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| Tread Softly | Apr 4 2010, 10:11 AM Post #122 |
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Okey then, based on your previous posts, I shall take your word for it. Edited by Tread Softly, Apr 4 2010, 10:11 AM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 10:16 AM Post #123 |
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Yep, the locals I was talking to are very angry young men. They feel the're not being listened to by anyone. |
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| Ian JL | Apr 4 2010, 11:44 AM Post #124 |
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I myself hove noticed some good points being raised in this thread that if can be worked on it could have a greater effect. I have had an idea that perhaps maybe could be worked on. First of all, am I right to believe the police organise the bussing in of people from arranged meeting points. Meeting points on the service stations to bus people in seems to be a good way of fetching people in safely and extracting them safely. Anybody wishing to attend their own town/city demonstration should make their way to the meeting points were the police can bus in all protesters and bus them back again. This way, it keeps out the local yobs and the police can then stop people entering the demo areas unless coming off the buses. It strikes me that this is how the police prefer to do things and this way if people break out of the fencing areas they will get left behind when it comes to going mack by the buses to the initial meetingpoint to pickup your car. Anybody breaking out, keep them out and let the police deal with them, some of those people will then have earned what they then receive by the police according to their own actions. |
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If so where is it going to? I think colours play a part in English but cultures should be allowed to stay unchallenged and without prejudice in anybodies native country. | |
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| Idjut Bungmewonga | Apr 4 2010, 11:48 AM Post #125 |
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Re some of the suggestions on this and other threads that only people with membership id should be allowed on demos - this is not the way to go, we want locals to attend demos - most people don't join any organisation - we do not want to become an "EDL Cult" ; we do want to become a mass, all embracing movement to stop islamification in its tracks and reverse its gains. |
| Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.... | |
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| 24866731 | Apr 4 2010, 11:54 AM Post #126 |
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does anyone know if the people who started the trouble were real EDL members or UAF members just trying to make us all like bad. the media have slated us yet again over this ,we really do look like just a bunch of thugs according to the local papers this morning. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 11:56 AM Post #127 |
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Kids who couldnt take their beer |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 11:56 AM Post #128 |
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Not being funny mate, but we always look like that in the papers and on the news, but we still continue to grow by the day. We must take this with a pinch of salt, move on and come back stronger. |
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| Ian JL | Apr 4 2010, 12:01 PM Post #129 |
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Not sure if you understod me properly so just in case, I want to reply to what you have said, but please inform me if I have missunderstood what you did say! Nothing stops locals attending the demos, if the locals want to make the way to the meeting points to be bussed in and out like the rest of the EDL had got then some of the problems might not have happened. Other people who want to observe from a distance will also get their oppertunity if they are only curious for now because by some of the reports stated, who in their right mind would want to go to a first demo coming to their town knowing how bad things have been reported to be irrespective of who's to blame. Edited by Ian JL, Apr 4 2010, 12:02 PM.
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If so where is it going to? I think colours play a part in English but cultures should be allowed to stay unchallenged and without prejudice in anybodies native country. | |
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| Lone_Wolf | Apr 4 2010, 12:22 PM Post #130 |
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alrite lads. this is my first post so just introducin myself. i was involved with the nationalists in the 80's but grew out of all that nosense pretty quick and had left most of it behind me but yous have caught my attention for all the right reasons. i was a bit disapointed at what i saw on the news today bout dudley, but for the main part ot seems to have gone ok. we had similar problems with the dickeads and there are ways of dealing with them... i like ian jls idea about members only marches. it would be like the orange walks. you have the proper guys with the banners and all, then the public can come along but the two are kept seprate and any trouble cant be asociated with the official march. oh yeah, who's he steward in that video cheering on the rioters? somebody needs to have a quiet word like...... |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 12:28 PM Post #131 |
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Welcome to the forum Lone_Wolf, glad to have you on board with us mate. Our next protest is in Aylesbury on the 1st May, so try to attend if you can
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| Span | Apr 4 2010, 12:39 PM Post #132 |
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When we were asked to clear the road when the medic had his fit or what not. I noticed loads of of young lads with hi vis vests on, with English Defence League on the back, i asked them to try and move the crowd back from the road, and they turned out to be just muppets, who were not edl stewards, But if i hadnt seen it myself i would be dubious Edited by Span, Apr 4 2010, 12:53 PM.
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| Ian JL | Apr 4 2010, 12:42 PM Post #133 |
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Hello and welcome. Unfortunately you made a mistake about membership ideas, I personally would be against it for reasons of security threat similar to the BNP's membership leak. Somebody else was talking about the need for a membership idea, I think it was Idjut Bungmewonga Edited by Ian JL, Apr 4 2010, 12:46 PM.
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If so where is it going to? I think colours play a part in English but cultures should be allowed to stay unchallenged and without prejudice in anybodies native country. | |
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| Lone_Wolf | Apr 4 2010, 12:44 PM Post #134 |
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maybe u need a distinct uniform for the stewards then coz anybody can go to a hardware store and buy a hi viz vest (say that with your teeth out). one stweard from each division attending and one official edl steward to acompany him or her. that way you have a guy from the divs that the rest of them know and a leadership approved steward who can direct them and keep them informed and in check. |
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| Lone_Wolf | Apr 4 2010, 12:46 PM Post #135 |
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oh right mate, sorry it looked like you were sayin locals and edl should be kept apart. didnt read you right then. i still like the idea of having 2 seprete marches though, proper edl and tag longs. |
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| Ian JL | Apr 4 2010, 12:49 PM Post #136 |
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No worries mate. |
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If so where is it going to? I think colours play a part in English but cultures should be allowed to stay unchallenged and without prejudice in anybodies native country. | |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 01:05 PM Post #137 |
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Thats the way ours will be in the UDL demos, or how we will be in the mainland demos, we will be proper marching so to speak, even in the middle of all that crowd at the protest, standing 4X12 marching silent with our flags held high. |
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| Lone_Wolf | Apr 4 2010, 01:16 PM Post #138 |
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yeah, thats the best way to do it. you guys have more experience so maybe you could get yourselfs over to the other divs for future demos. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 01:24 PM Post #139 |
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no offence mate but your arse went a little bit by the sounds of it ,after a nights sleep do you still feel the same way? i bet not we have to take the moments of maddness and simple learn how to stop it from happerning in the future |
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| Ian JL | Apr 4 2010, 03:16 PM Post #140 |
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Arse did not go anywere, I just don't want to be in the presense of this kind of behaviour through disgust at peoples behaviour wether edl or not. I still feel the same way now I have slept and no offence taken. Edited by Ian JL, Apr 4 2010, 03:16 PM.
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If so where is it going to? I think colours play a part in English but cultures should be allowed to stay unchallenged and without prejudice in anybodies native country. | |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 03:26 PM Post #141 |
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Reds came over the hill from under that bridge. That is why people went running up there. It was the fault of the UAF for being such idiots and the police for allowing them to do so. And it may not be politically correct (on here with all the trumped up and faux disgust going on) to say it but I loved seeing those reds who thought they could come down and taunt EDL patriots with shouts of 'Nazi scum off our streets' thinking they could do so as the old bill had us wrapped up, s**tting themselves when the EDL simply burst out of the police cordon to confront them. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 03:51 PM Post #142 |
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Hahaha |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 04:19 PM Post #143 |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 05:45 PM Post #144 |
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How do you equate a 'real EDL member'....its a social uprising, therefore anyone who turns up on the side of the EDL is a 'member' |
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| dave19 | Apr 4 2010, 06:05 PM Post #145 |
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The problems have been stated. After the EDL steward got bottled by an idiot, I saw many of the stewards hand in their florescent jackets in disgust and fair play to them. What kind Of EDL supporter attacks his own man? Seriously, the coppers should have dragged whoever it was out and shove a CS canister in his mouth. f**king prat. This was my first demo since Birmingham and to be fair to the large majority I was welcomed being mixed race and all but there were a couple of racists around, 1 of them telling Abdul to leave (when he's made the 7 hour trip from Scotland!) then he told me to do one. I just laughed it off to be fair and he was too drunk to be at a demo anyway. Not whinging or anything just it's still clear a minority still try to infiltrate the movement. Very good speeches though, was impressed with the Russian girl too. Couldn't understand what she was saying to be fair but it's brave of her to make a speech in front of 1000s. And to those who stormed the fences, both during and after the protest, you are pathetic. Must have been about 800 of the 2000 who legged it at the end. One question, why? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 06:07 PM Post #146 |
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Dave19, big respect to you for turning up. I think if you get any racial abuse off idiots, get a couple of stewards and get the c**t thrown out of the demo. We don't want racism in the EDL, end of. |
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| ignominius | Apr 4 2010, 06:19 PM Post #147 |
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Forget recriminations, EDL has to learn lessons from this episode. We are making progess, things are far from perfect but we will get better. We are getting better. I don't know if the midlands is any more violent than other regions of the country, I suspect not. However, it is apart from London/Greater London area one of the main battlegrounds (if that's the right word in this context). The EDL needs to make it's presence felt but it must be a peaceful presence. We have to have the moral high ground. It's us that should be able to point to the lefties and the muslims and say, it's them that's violent not us. So let's learn the lessons we can from Dudley and how we can improve going forward. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 06:22 PM Post #148 |
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i met abdul at dudley yesterday TOP MAN
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 06:26 PM Post #149 |
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@some ulsterman agree with the march formation.will make heads turn and will get the attention we need, Tj. WDL |
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| Deleted User | Apr 4 2010, 06:28 PM Post #150 |
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agreed 100% with you mate if someone comes running to confront you what's wrong with showing 'em you won't be intimidated- i was there and see the uaf/swp/al queda on their toes will live with me for a long time |
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