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| watforddan | Apr 3 2010, 09:04 PM Post #51 |
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hello mate good to meet you today. Thing is swansea played cardiff today so I doubt it was the welsh lads, and given their unstinting support up to now I would not act on such hearsay. I think you may find it was a more ecxtreme english portest group that kicked off and who think we are too passive. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:04 PM Post #52 |
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Well I s'pose if he kicks me in the goolies that'll just prove my point But it's a damn painful way to be right. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:05 PM Post #53 |
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and where were they running to?or from for that matter?
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:06 PM Post #54 |
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Mainly just getting f**king annoyed by being held in. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:08 PM Post #55 |
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We don't know anything for sure yet mate, I don't think we do anyway. Whoever it was, was very silly indeed. However, don't give up yet mate, you are doing yourself and everyone else proud, I know its not exactly easy for you to get to protests, but in my eyes, your a legend for attending. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:09 PM Post #56 |
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nice to meet you today dan,like i said in my rant it's only what i was told,time will tell who was behind it |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:10 PM Post #57 |
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I was thinking that too. Maybe mummy needed them home because their tea was on the table. I loved the guy kicking the bollard, now that'll really stop the spread of militant Islam. |
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| WakeupEngland | Apr 3 2010, 09:12 PM Post #58 |
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Cops unable to stop us ! Do you think this is good publicity for the EDL mate ?? Fences, that are there for everybody's protection being smashed down ??? How is that gonna look on the news tomorrow ?? Give me strength ......... |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:13 PM Post #59 |
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i met some GREAT people today and was able to put faces to names all in all i enjoyed today, it's just a shame that a few spoil it for the many |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:14 PM Post #60 |
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To be honest, I have heard all sorts since that happened. Loads of `groups` have been mentioned, but until someone tells me for sure - who knows? Nice to meet you today ujac - will see you again no doubt. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:18 PM Post #61 |
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nice to meet you MJ, yes i will be attending as many as i can mate
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| guypatriot | Apr 3 2010, 09:19 PM Post #62 |
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Hello Anxiety Yes the UAF will be all over this as will the SWP. It can only be hoped that they report this in the 'sensationalist' style they regularly take to i.e. all out lying and OTT exaggeration which undermines the credibility of their claims to the reader. I fear though that the major damage will be with the mainstream media and with general perception within areas where the EDL will be staging events in the future. I've only just got back on line so haven't read the latest however with the information that I have it doesn't sound like a disaster at the moment. I'm hoping that remains the case as the news develops on this one. Regards |
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| trinovante | Apr 3 2010, 09:22 PM Post #63 |
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so,it went bad?I was not there but i do know this,the cause that we all belive in IS JUST!I as a supporter of the EDL know that there will be trouble when you start any new group and this group is in it's youth.There are so many people out to get the EDL,Don't do it to yourselves!Wait and see where the violence came from.Right wing groups?Left wing groups?BUT NOT THE EDL!!!!!Keep your chins up and be proud.Black,white,pink,yellow or green,we are against islamonazi's and NOBODY ELSE!!Please don't beat yourselves up over some misfits,BE YOU AND BE KIND AND STRONG!!!!!!! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:24 PM Post #64 |
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Perhaps you should do your research first, before you engage your mouth. There are only two real football teams in Wales with any following, which are Cardiff & Swansea. Both of which are in the Championship play off positions, and were playing each other in a derby match today at 5.20 pm. So any thugs would have been in Cardiff today. I can guarantee you that no Welsh footy fans would have gone to Dudley today for a ruck when they had the chance to have a Cardiff-Swansea riot. |
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| Lotta | Apr 3 2010, 09:26 PM Post #65 |
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Most of the people running up and down and tipping the fences up were local youths. For some reason loads of people followed them running about in spite of being asked not to by the speakers and stewards [who do know what they are doing], so the EDL should not be blamed for what happened. I think you should ask people not to bring dogs in future. If it does kick off for real having several staffies and a rottweiler joining in isn't for the best, especially when police dogs are there too. On a positive note the speeches were good especially from the woman from EDL / Sikhs Against Sharia [sorry I don't know your name]. There was a man there today who wanted to speak about honour killings [he had some placards], he's an ex Muslim and has a very valid and articulately argued point about honour killings of women and it would be good for him to speak publicly. Nice one for the coaches..it's clear alot of hard work went into today and the stewards deserve praise for that. |
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| saunders | Apr 3 2010, 09:28 PM Post #66 |
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My mistake Anx, must have got the wrong end. My blood was a wee bit up today and my mate Andy was possessed, if the UAF were about ...well. |
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| halfcentury storm | Apr 3 2010, 09:29 PM Post #67 |
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seems like you need more point of contact with the local youth in areas prior to having demos. this enables education and im sure many of them havent been on the forum or really understand what the protest is about. even well educated people dont actually understand terms like islamist, political islam. islamification...................many people think it about just hating muslims. ive been pushing journalists on daily newpapers, national and local, to deal with the topics above and they just WON'T!! |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:31 PM Post #68 |
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as i said it was what some of the lads i was with told me,if the information is wrong i will be the first to hold my hand up |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:43 PM Post #69 |
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Yeah c'mon RH, ujac did say he was told and used the magic word "if", I know it's Saturday night but that doesn't mean you have to have a fight.
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:43 PM Post #70 |
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Good points. The local yobs have been wound up to fever pitch for days and days by the exaggerated claims of violence coming from councillors and senior police, who should know better. You would think WW111 was about to start, no wonder anyone looking to attach themselves to the demo for a ruck was disappointed and frustrated enough to break out. |
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| guypatriot | Apr 3 2010, 09:52 PM Post #71 |
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Hi UJAC Any idea where in Wales as Cardiff played Swansea in an early evening fixture earlier today? Regards |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 09:56 PM Post #72 |
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it wasnt that bad guys cmon.seriously . |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 10:02 PM Post #73 |
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did you read what i said,i will be the first one to hold my hand up, REGARDS |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 10:07 PM Post #74 |
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All in all, and I am not condoning any sort of trouble, there were approx 3,000 people there today. Latest is 12 arrests - doesn`t say who, so thats more than likely mainly UAF. Respect to the stewards who did their best, and hope **** gets better soon. It could have been a hell of a lot worse. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 10:13 PM Post #75 |
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been back from dudley about an hour now,apart from the s**t caused by a minority i thought the day went well,the old bill were firm but fair and the buses from the train station was much appreciated.A big well done to everyone that turned up...it was also nice to see the local people come out of there houses to give us a thumbs up.Also nice to have meet a few off here today. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 10:14 PM Post #76 |
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i see the uaf where up to their usual tricks firing up the local al queda branch but may have backfired the islamists who came bowling down the side of the church bit of a bit more than they could chew full respect to all the lads that were there - lol |
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| BoUnCiN | Apr 3 2010, 10:20 PM Post #77 |
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Just wanna say the lads who took the fence down werent local cos if they were. They would have realised they were only heading towards the dentists and out of dudley lol. But sry to hear about the trouble and if they were local were not all like that Edited by BoUnCiN, Apr 3 2010, 10:22 PM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 10:31 PM Post #78 |
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Job well done ujac and mj999 All who attended are all Diamonds! |
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| Heathen | Apr 3 2010, 10:32 PM Post #79 |
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I think EDL did a great demo. Rotten eggs are found everywhere, and on the positive side, a few of them (possibly EDL) showed themselves today, and are heading for the sewage they came from. Gratulations everyone.
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| EDLLOVER | Apr 3 2010, 10:34 PM Post #80 |
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This was my first and last attendance. It was chaotic and shame. Throwing bottles and bricks even the barriers to police isn't helping anyone. |
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| guypatriot | Apr 3 2010, 10:35 PM Post #81 |
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Hi Personally I've only been on the site a couple of weeks. I will be attending the Aylesbury demo which is local to me and will be my first. TBH I had some misgivings about todays demo on the grounds it was against a mosque rather than Islamofascism which I felt made the EDL an easy target for those screaming racist but more importantly I was concerned this might end up in a race riot having seen what happened on one of the Birmingham demo's via the media and internet and also the response to Harrow. As such in some ways personally I am somewhat relieved the latter didn't come to pass as that would have been a disaster for the EDL. That said the issues seen today were the last I anticipated in terms of bad publicity. However when all is said and done the protest will get publicity because of this and does keep the EDL in the public eye. So in many ways a view can be taken that as it stands no Muslims were attacked, no UAF were attacked however official members of the EDL were attacked and hence this shouldn't be that difficult to present this as being a case that those that attacked clearly do not agree with the ideals of the EDL. Why attack 'your own' as it were. Regards |
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| trig | Apr 3 2010, 10:37 PM Post #82 |
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Just got back in and am totaly disgusted with today. Stoke was a wake up call. This must be the same or we aint gonna achieve a f**king thing. Already people are dragging out any excuse for today and saying it wasn't too bad. Bollocks. Our own people were assaulted and this aint the first time. The problems were not by undercover uaf, infiltrators and anything. Simply our so called blokes hell bent on causing havoc towards the police. When is the EDL going to wake up that something needs to be done to curb this. Today will have set us back so much. We need a total overhaul on the EDL. Starting with excluding all NF or extreme right wing members. Even those who have not caused problems yet. |
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| guypatriot | Apr 3 2010, 10:40 PM Post #83 |
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Hi UJAC I was reading down the thread and responded to your post in the chronological order as presented and hence had no knowledge that the same issue had already been addressed. That said I did ask the question on what location in Wales as I think Wales is bigger than just Cardiff and Swansea :0) Regards |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 10:49 PM Post #84 |
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It's ok mate, we are all angry. I hate the way the stewards was attacked trust me, but I even seen a bloke in his late 40's giving it some. We are just angry, we have got to this stage by being to lenient. Obviously chucking s**t at the police and stuff doesn't get you no where. But peoples anger levels are going over board. Oh yeah I was in the video, I don't give a s**t what people on here say, it's us dirty chav thugs you will need when it kicks off. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 10:49 PM Post #85 |
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Well, firstly I think IanJL's and henchman's reactions are over-reactions. The bunch of dykes and queens I was with didn't find it so alarming. I didn't hear Granny Doris complaining on the coach back that she was scared. It was clear that whoever these people were, they were not the EDL. They were told as much from the stage, and the crowd of EDL supporters shouted "wankers,wankers" at them. When they realised that they were being publicly castigated, they stopped what they were doing. One of the people who was in our group said he'd been on anti-globalization and anti-G7 demos. And he said today's demo was like afternoon tea compared to those. I think it's a disgrace that you should hold EDL leadership responsible for things like this. If you've got any sense at all, you know that EDL is organized by a handful of people who work flat out. You go on about how EDL supporters should go and sort these trouble-makers out. Did you rush over to sort them out? How could this be solved? By having membership with ID. And how many of you would sign up for that? There are other suggestions we came up with in the coach coming back. Instead of coming up with solutions, you just come straight on here to whinge. The violence is not acceptable, and it was being led by a few people. One experienced casual told me that he thought there are trouble-makers trying to infiltrate EDL and cause violent insurrection. Do you really think that organizations like NF and Combat 18 (and others) aren't going to try this? When the crowds of young men ran through the knocked-down barrier, out of the hundreds of thick tossers who ran through, only 1 had an EDL hoodie on. And rather than blame Tony or anyone else who organized it, I blame the police. They flanked us on both sides in the pre-demo muster and with police vans. They surrounded the entire car park with riot police. Yet when it came for us to return to the coaches, they left the entire flank unprotected. Has it not occured to any of you insightful strategists that it might have been deliberate? If it wasn't deliberate, it was incompetent. They made us take all flags off sticks (ohh, such dangerous weapons), but then after they'd seen troublemakers twice trying to break out of the demo, they leave an entire flank unprotected. Hmmm.... I want to thank Snowy and Tony and others for the fantastic job they did. It was much better than London and Bolton in terms of size, speeches, WC provision, and transport. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 10:57 PM Post #86 |
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Homo Sapien: Won`t quote you, takes up too much room. Firstly, nice to meet you today and you have some points. I hope people are not blaming EDL Leadership - as you state, they put a lot of hard work into this and cannot be accountable for those idiots. These are the `leaders` that have given the sensible EDL`ers a voice. Without them, we would be sat at home on a demo day decorating the f**kin lounge. Again, I will thank ALL the leaders for giving me personally a voice, and ALL the stewards for their hardwork and each and everyone of the sensible EDL`ers - whether you could be there today or not. |
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| Heathen | Apr 3 2010, 10:58 PM Post #87 |
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Well spoken, Homo Sapien. from the internet, it looked like a good demo. ( I aint givig up on that!) |
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| willcpfc | Apr 3 2010, 11:03 PM Post #88 |
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well it was my first demo and I thought it was great. good crowd and atmosphere with powerful speeches. yes a minority did cause problems but nothing major really. thought the police were fair and although I wanted to see the uaf prats it was probably best they were not visible. and our numbers were impressive!
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 11:03 PM Post #89 |
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Ditto. It didn't look bad from a viewers perspective, though the press will have a field day but they always do. Demos have always had infiltrators/agent provocatuers, by the nature of the beast it is holding a tiger by the tail sometimes. But it looked a good demo to me. |
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| Zefiris | Apr 3 2010, 11:03 PM Post #90 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf_ttJjxtL0&feature=player_embedded Here's a video of the stampede and I've got a question for anyone there. On 0.11 of the vid you see a large group of lads running away from the EDL lot seconds before the barriers come down. Are they UAF/Muslims and if so why did the police let them get so close to the EDL? It's obviously going to antagonise those at the front. Because it certainly looks like a group of 100 or so Muzzies/UAF that provoked the stampede. Apologies if I'm wrong with this. |
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| trig | Apr 3 2010, 11:06 PM Post #91 |
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You thought it was great??? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 11:07 PM Post #92 |
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Wish it was true, but they were people who came out of the gap the police were letting people out of. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 11:08 PM Post #93 |
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From what I have heard it wasn't THAT bad, although it could obviously be improved. We must learn as each demo goes by. |
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| BoUnCiN | Apr 3 2010, 11:11 PM Post #94 |
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i just enjoyed watchin the stupid fella shouting cmon kickin a cone then nearly fallin ver. Bloody disgraceful what if that cone had children |
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| Ian JL | Apr 3 2010, 11:11 PM Post #95 |
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I just want to say that your statement just about summs it up in the reality of things. My post was about what I experianced and not necesserily for others to agree or not with what me and the girlfriend experienced. Putting that to one side, I personally do not blame the EDL Leadership and I don't know what can be done about the problems all together but just so everybody knows, I am not fading away all together, I am only worried about who might get caught up in some of these sporadic problems and if the EDL as a whole can some how address the problems, I will not be as weary the next time I come to a demo. I feel in my heart that most EDL mean well and no harm to others but I also believe one or two think they are doing the works of the EDL and sometimes just don't stop to think of the consiquences and to add another one into this, I do believe their are people wanting to give the EDL a bad name. I hope everybody can see my own concerns as they concern me not everybody else who might want to drop a few hints hear and there about how I seen and feel about things. It was a bit like sheep, when one bolts through the fence, everybody else seems to automatically want to follow. |
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| Heathen | Apr 3 2010, 11:12 PM Post #96 |
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That's the spirit Ruby. Organize into smaller groups, each with their own responsible (approved sane) leaders. If somethings about to break out, it's a lot easier to contain and handle. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2010, 11:17 PM Post #97 |
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nah its all our lot im afraid. but if you watch this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcAp_oPEVE most of the lads were just happy to be out of the kettles and on the way home. |
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| WakeupEngland | Apr 3 2010, 11:19 PM Post #98 |
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My thoughts entirely mate. As a matter of urgency in my view we need to think of ways of stopping the hooligan element from attending our events otherwise 'Joe Public' is going to lose interest in what we are striving to achieve. I know it has been discussed in other threads but there are plenty of intelligent folks posting on here. Between us we should be able to come up with some sort of scheme to ensure that only bona-fide EDL folks attend our demos. Issue tickets or barcodes before-hand possibly ??? The technology is around if someone can be arsed to set it up. Might cost a bit of time and money to set something up but what is the alternative ??? Continue to have our events that folks have put a lot of time and effort into organizing high jacked by the local pond life ?? Answers on a postcard please... |
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| guypatriot | Apr 3 2010, 11:22 PM Post #99 |
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Hi HS I hope you're keeping well. Last point first regarding ID. I totally agree with you. It was Thomas Jefferson that said words to the effect of.. when the people fear the Government you have tyranny and when the Government fear the people you have liberty. Hence as we sit I think we would all agree that we are far closer to tyranny than liberty by Jeffersons enlightened definition. Hence ID cards are a non starter. On the initial point re other demo's then I agree with you that this was not a disaster in any terms. However what I would say and as we have discussed before is that I don't think the EDL are seen like other groups. You might recall that I previously stated that the UAF are seen like other groups and used anti hunt, CNDers, eco warriors etc. as examples. So as stated no disaster today however learn and go forward. Regards |
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| Tread Softly | Apr 3 2010, 11:26 PM Post #100 |
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I'm gobsmacked that some people think this kind of thing furthers your cause. It really really doesn't. You want large numbers, respectability so even more turn up, and if the other side kicks off all the better (as long as you don't). ![]() I'm new here, but not gonna turn up if the demos are like that. Edited by Tread Softly, Apr 3 2010, 11:27 PM.
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