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EDL reveal their Anti-Working class agenda
Topic Started: Mar 30 2010, 04:35 PM (434 Views)
Zefiris
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http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/03/448325.html?c=on#c245824


I LOVE the lefties :D :D :D :D :D

They're like, unintentional comedy at it's greatest :D

Serious questin though, why do the lefties consider themselves to be working class when they're not? They're a bunch of rich kids getting paid to go to Uni by their rich mummy and daddy living in the "posh part" of an otherwise lower-class town.

They're so deluded....
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working class lol
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The left has always had a romantic image of the working class while they look down on them from their ivory towers.
They have no f**king idea what it's like to live day by day with f**k all, yet have the audacity to tell them how it is and how they should be.
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Seems like Indy are the snobs differentiating between classes. Du-oh! ^o)
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they always go on about alan lake like he has poured millions of pounds into the edl other than a few signs and flags i really dont see how the edl could have taken all that much funding
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The issue of the class make up of both the EDL and UAF I think is quite unimportant and if the EDL can attract more middle class people it would be a positive step I believe as long as they are strong of opinion. The far more serious issue for me concerning the article was the blatant and terrible attack on working class union activity something that is new to the EDL and why?
Is it now the role of the EDL leadership to fight for the bosses against the English trade union movement now as well as Muslim extremism? If the EDL goes in the far right direction and starts siding with the owners then many EDL sympathisers and union members, I for one,will quit this movement and that would be a real shame.
Please keep to the issue of Muslim extremism.
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How can they Blame EDL for being against Unite and some other trade union movements? The fact is that troskiest unite attend UAF demo's directly against the EDL.
I support Trade unions in principle working class people like myself do deserve more than £5.85 an hour, However I would never sign up with unite because they have a red agenda like the UAF and I do not trust them.
The fact is that the WDL EDL AND SDL are working class movements, There are more working class people in the EDL ETC than any communist front put together. It is always middle class students in the UAF and rarely people from working class backrounds.
I object to being called a class traitor because I do not accept there marxist and communist ideology about the working class, If any indymedia officals are reading my post all I can say is.
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Working class YOUR having a laugh! :D
Edited by southwales, Mar 31 2010, 12:24 AM.
If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities.

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They're just academics pontificating, playing the 'hero' fighting for the working class, despite coming out of Oxford and straight into academia having never worked a hard day in their lives. It's so romantacised, and so unnaplicable to reality - their theories are nothing more than idealism constructed around misunderstandings.

I know a woman who is massively left-wing, avidly anti-racist, anti-fascist and everything else - and even she has huge criticisms of both the UAF and the SWP... Her most significant criticism being that they're all very, very upper-middle class.
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they are fools I would love them to live for say 6 years in mosside or wythenshawe or bentilee or some other hard core working class places....they would s**t a brick
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Mar 30 2010, 08:42 PM
The issue of the class make up of both the EDL and UAF I think is quite unimportant and if the EDL can attract more middle class people it would be a positive step I believe as long as they are strong of opinion. The far more serious issue for me concerning the article was the blatant and terrible attack on working class union activity something that is new to the EDL and why?
Is it now the role of the EDL leadership to fight for the bosses against the English trade union movement now as well as Muslim extremism? If the EDL goes in the far right direction and starts siding with the owners then many EDL sympathisers and union members, I for one,will quit this movement and that would be a real shame.
Please keep to the issue of Muslim extremism.
I agree that EDL should stick to fighting religious extremism, and keep away from bashing the unions, going on about communism etc. What's that got to do with stopping sharia? Let's keep our eye on the ball!
A world free from ALL religious bigotry is humanity's best hope!
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what is great in bringing down an airline company if they cant afford to pay them more what should they do get in more debt eventually ? bankruptcy.
if you dont like the job LEAVE
and they dont get paid well bullshizer
who gives a s**t about class i come from roehampton in london google it. they will tell me im working class i dont care im english thats it
stupid class s**t, the only people to me who care about it are commies
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They're f**king idiots. They constantly go on about 'dividing the working class', yet they are the morons that 'divide the working class' by insisting that we are the enemy and attempting to alienate us!! People who fall for such contradictions need to get the f**k away from politics and return back to their picture books...
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fascism = politcians who deploy armies. This gave Hilter hiis profile. Unite Against - - - Fascism??? WTF!!!
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Not all uaf are thugs simply brainwashed. They think that they are to change the world in to a fairer society etc. However, under srcutiny and historical facts their Trot ideas fall apart. Lenin was the first communist dictator and once the workers in 1917 in Russian took control of various factories, the Bolshevicks appointed their own party managers to control the workers. Hence the SWP are red dictators!
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The SWP are middle/upper class wankers who understand nothing about real life.

I will gladly admit to being left of centre. In my mind that means BEING working class and defending our families and communities from being f**ked over by politicians, end of. In a way, that is what the EDL is doing, no?

Unions are necessary, otherwise we wouldn't even HAVE a minimum wage. I was on the demonstrations in the late 90s urging for a 3.65p/h minimum or something. It seemed a lot at the time as I was on less than that.

The politicians and business owners would LOVE to scrap the minimum wage, and get in immigrants for all our jobs to keep our wages down. The unions stop this happening as much as they can, but they don't have much power to do so. What gets me is that Unite and other unions still tell people to vote for Labour, although it is because of Labour that the economy is f**ked and companies are going bust...

I don't think we should have nationalised industries as they don't work very well. But we should have an England where everyone can get a job and education instead of being thrown on the scrap heap for life as they do now.

The SWP are middle class through and through, and positively FEAR the working class. Thats why they can't understand the EDL in terms other than 'racist' or 'fascist'.

I joined this because I admire that the EDL didn't take the easy route of accepting Blood & Honour or the NF into their ranks. They could have but instead decided to embrace everyone of any colour who opposes Islamic extremism, which I applaud them for, as it was a brave stand. If they start labelling every working class person who wants a fairer deal a 'commie' then I'm out, because I am just as opposed to Communism as I am Nazism. England has a long tradition of the working class organising for better education, voting rights and so on. We fought the wars and we died while the upper classes were drinking tea in the officers club, so don't give me this 'commie' nonsense.
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agree EDL should have that article. It is nothing to do with attacking Islamism. Just cos some idiots in the unions sub UAF has nothing to do with it. IMHO ther people who have destroyed this country were the same people who attacked the unions form 1979 and 1997 onwards. THEY are the traitors, Thatcher, Blair and Brown.
Remember there is bad in the Gospels too; (Jesus speaking) "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household'". (Matthew 10:34-36 NAB)
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I joined this because I admire that the EDL didn't take the easy route of accepting Blood & Honour or the NF into their ranks. They could have but instead decided to embrace everyone of any colour who opposes Islamic extremism, which I applaud them for, as it was a brave stand. If they start labelling every working class person who wants a fairer deal a 'commie' then I'm out, because I am just as opposed to Communism as I am Nazism. England has a long tradition of the working class organising for better education, voting rights and so on. We fought the wars and we died while the upper classes were drinking tea in the officers club, so don't give me this 'commie' nonsense.
And that my friend is why the UAF etc hate the EDL. They can't handle the fact that there are non whites in the EDL. Years ago, any group that took a right wing, patriotic stance would be 100% white and pretty much a racist org. The EDL is a different animal from the other groups and the reds just can't get their heads around it. Seeing black or mixed race lads draped in St George flags must be freaking the f**k out of them cos it destroys their myth that patriotism=racism. I will openly admit that a few years ago, I would have scoffed at the idea of Asians or blacks standing up and saying 'we love England'.....But now? I f**kING LOVE IT! The thing is, this war against the Islamification of Britain and Europe is not gonna be won by just White Christians, and anyone who thinks it is needs to have a reality check.Radical Islam dosent give a damn if you're white, black, brown, catholic, Jew or Sikh. If you're not one of them then your are their enemy. End of.

EDL=REAL WORKING CLASS UNITY! B-)
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agree EDL should have that article. It is nothing to do with attacking Islamism. Just cos some idiots in the unions sub UAF has nothing to do with it. IMHO ther people who have destroyed this country were the same people who attacked the unions form 1979 and 1997 onwards. THEY are the traitors, Thatcher, Blair and Brown.
thatcher a traitor get a grip m8 she loved this country.
the unions were ripping this country apart when she was in office.
im not against unions but sometimes they turn into bullies they bully their way on the london uderground.
where were the unions when they sold rover ? it should never have been sold when they were in partnership with honda.
where were the unions (unite) when ba wouldnt let that women wear her cross.
the upper class where drinking tea while the lower classes fought (you have never served in the army m8)
stop making class an issue you will always have people more fortunate than others.some have got there from hard graft is that a crime.

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Trade unions do not represent the working class.

They represent the workers - privatised businesses and nationalised businesses. Low paid workers, to the high paid workers. They only represent workers, and not the people.
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the upper class where drinking tea while the lower classes fought (you have never served in the army m8)


Ok I've nothing against the army, family in the forces so sorry if it came out like that.

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stop making class an issue you will always have people more fortunate than others.some have got there from hard graft is that a crime.


Of course it isn't a crime, I've got nothing but respect for anyone who works. On the same token theres many who never had to do a days work in their life and are still rich. If another war comes about they won't be getting their hands dirty.
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Apr 5 2010, 11:15 AM
it destroys their myth that patriotism=racism.

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brilliant post! Real working class unity is what we need! hate the way people think that other cultures cant absorb into being british or/and actually be proud of it!
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Mar 31 2010, 11:19 PM
fascism = politcians who deploy armies. This gave Hilter hiis profile. Unite Against - - - Fascism??? WTF!!!
Because I had the highly questionable benefit? of being educated at a public school and coming from an undeniably middle-class family did that make me right-wing or ANY wing just like a Muslim born from a Muslim father is born a Muslim!? The hell it did. I was also brought up as a Christian and when I went to university I studied PPand E, philosophy, politics and economics. I studied both the Qu'ran AND the Bible and believing in the former plus the hadiths of Muhammad plus shari'a law compared to Jesus's Sermon on the Mount (St. Matthew ch5)made me glad that I was a Christian and gave me principles that I have lived by happily for the 50 years since I graduated.

So, ever since I have supported those who suffer ignorant bosses and have tried my damnedest to run a happy ship in my businesses- decent pay for a decent day's work, good training, lots of motivation, excellent communication at all levels of the company and total respect for my staff. Questions of class, wings, different religions(Except declining to accept Muslims and sod anyone or any organisatin like the EHRC who tried to take me to task) I always paid better and offered far better working conditions than any union demanded.

Anyone who has good principles, a kind disposition and a fair outlook on life does not consider himsel/herself surely, to be of a certain class or one wing or another. I am confident that such matters do not generally come into the minds of most members of the EDL. We have lives to live in one of the most challenging eras imaginable. We do not like the UAF, the BNP have destructive agendas. We are patriots and our main aim is to live our lives peacefully, bring up our families and be patriots objecting to anything and everything that threatens this country of ours!
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http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/03/448325.html?c=on#c245824


I LOVE the lefties :D :D :D :D :D

They're like, unintentional comedy at it's greatest :D

Serious questin though, why do the lefties consider themselves to be working class when they're not? They're a bunch of rich kids getting paid to go to Uni by their rich mummy and daddy living in the "posh part" of an otherwise lower-class town.

They're so deluded....
Yes, of course the majority of far leftists are middle class. But they make a distinction between those middle class people who support capitalism and/or the parliamentary system and those that don't.

Far leftists don't support these things. Because of that, they are not 'bourgeois'. Middle class people who do support capitalism and the parliamentary system are 'bourgeios'.

This leads to the ridiculous conclusion that a working class cleaner may well be perceived as bourgeios by Trots because he supports the system and capitalism. However, a professor or lecturer at a university, because he is Lefist, will not be classed as 'bourgeios' by most fellow leftists.

Thus the EDL 'being run my the middle class' really means that the EDL is run by working class people who support capitalism and parliamentary democracy. That is why EDL leaders are 'middle class', whereas Alex Callinicos, of the Central Committe of the SWP, who teaches at a university and is of an aristrocratic background, is not classed as bourgeios or even middle class simply because he is a socialist revolutionary.

This may help explain why far leftists are making these accusations about the middle class 'class basis' of the EDL.
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they make a distinction between those middle class people who support capitalism and/or the parliamentary system and those that don't.


Close... but from what I know the Marxist view of class is about where you fit into production - bourgeois if you own the company or proletarian if you own nothing and work for the company. (Back in Victorian times you were either one or the other.)

So by the SWP analysis today, even if you live on a council estate and are a self employed builder, carpenter or plumber - well you own your own company, so are 'bourgeois' or middle class.

Possibly they fantasize that by working for a university they are closer to a victorian factory worker: because they don't 'own' the university and are only employed by it.

^o)

Its interesting that even Marx himself was offered the presidency of the first Communist organisation, but said no - he said I am not a worker, I am a middle class academic, and the only people who can decide the future for the working class, are working class people themselves..! Interesting link here - http://www.jstor.org/pss/2708422

Its funny how todays Marxists are so selective with their history, don't you think! :D :D :D :D
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ive got a million criticisms of the big unions like unite an that but if we attack em as an organisation we'll look like bloody tory defence league or sommat
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Working class ? that don't know how to spell working class, i work full time. half of them are tax scrounging parasites.
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As Ive said on a number of lefty websites the EDL are the "real reactionary working class".

Obviously my comments dont stay up for long. Wankers.
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We are not here to attack the unions irrespective of how devisive the unions are towards to the working masses and our great country. We are here to defend our country against creeping islamification, Islamic extremism and Islamists.
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How can they Blame EDL for being against Unite and some other trade union movements? The fact is that troskiest unite attend UAF demo's directly against the EDL.
I support Trade unions in principle working class people like myself do deserve more than £5.85 an hour, However I would never sign up with unite because they have a red agenda like the UAF and I do not trust them.
The fact is that the WDL EDL AND SDL are working class movements, There are more working class people in the EDL ETC than any communist front put together. It is always middle class students in the UAF and rarely people from working class backrounds.
I object to being called a class traitor because I do not accept there marxist and communist ideology about the working class, If any indymedia officals are reading my post all I can say is.
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Working class YOUR having a laugh! :D
Thing is, they seem to confuse being against unions being involved with anti-EDL politics with being anti unions in general and in turn automatically associate being anti-union with being anti-working class.

Not being some sort of generalising tit here but I'd put my entire future earnings on there being more manual workers etc. (whatever they deem to be "working class" this week) among the EDL ranks than among theirs.

Still, can't let logic and what's directly infront of you from getting in the way of a good old anti-anti-islamofascism rant eh.
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'... just like a Muslim born from a Muslim father is born a Muslim!? '
But that's the point here I think. If you're born a Muslim you ARE considered a Muslim - and considered a Muslim FOR LIFE. There is NO get out clause, NO freedom of choice.

And the Koran is quite clear regarding the duty of Muslims if one leaves their ranks: find them and kill them.

I remember sharing a house years ago with a young Muslim male, who's girlfriend was Christian. Both from Birmingham - and both living in mortal fear for their life's.

The male Muslims 'crime'? (sic): wanting to convert to Christianity.

The saddest part to this story is that, a few years after, I heard that the Muslim males family had caught up with him - and (allegedly) cut both of them too pieces in a 'honour' killing (sic), carving the Islamic quarter moon onto the males body.

Though I can't vouch for the truth of this, certainly there are story's like it in the National and International media, almost on a daily basis: and the Koran entry demanding Muslims hunt down 'traitors' (to the best of my knowledge) hasn't yet been changed. Nor is it likely too.

As a Jew there's absolutely NO way I want to live under a Fundamentalist Islamic state such as Iran. Or a Communist one like China. I'm happy here in England, living under a secular state which, historically, has protected my own community's rights and civil liberties.

And (again) as a Jew I don't have a problem recognising that England belongs to the White English. Not me. Not the African-Caribbean or Asian communities; and I'm equally as happy to abide by English laws. Not Rabbinic.

Because, in the UK, though I was born into a Jewish family (both mother and father), I wasn't forced to convert to Christianity - and I don't live in mortal fear of my own life from hit squads from my own community hunting me down, simply because, these days, I'm now an agnostic and I believe in the immediate creation of a Palestinian State.

And (finally) as a Jew if I can support Palestinian rights to self-determination in a country of their own, then why the f*ck can't so called moderate UK Muslims come out and support the EDL against THEIR OWN Islamic extremists?!

Simple: Because even moderate UK Muslims want to see an Islamic State created here in this country. Albeit a 'modernized' version. Which is why 40 female Muslims are standing for election on 6 May.

Islamification of the UK has now taken a more sinister 'through the back door' direction i.e. through it's 'softer femine face'!




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I joined this because I admire that the EDL didn't take the easy route of accepting Blood & Honour or the NF into their ranks. They could have but instead decided to embrace everyone of any colour who opposes Islamic extremism, which I applaud them for, as it was a brave stand. If they start labelling every working class person who wants a fairer deal a 'commie' then I'm out, because I am just as opposed to Communism as I am Nazism. England has a long tradition of the working class organising for better education, voting rights and so on. We fought the wars and we died while the upper classes were drinking tea in the officers club, so don't give me this 'commie' nonsense.
And that my friend is why the UAF etc hate the EDL. They can't handle the fact that there are non whites in the EDL. Years ago, any group that took a right wing, patriotic stance would be 100% white and pretty much a racist org. The EDL is a different animal from the other groups and the reds just can't get their heads around it. Seeing black or mixed race lads draped in St George flags must be freaking the f**k out of them cos it destroys their myth that patriotism=racism. I will openly admit that a few years ago, I would have scoffed at the idea of Asians or blacks standing up and saying 'we love England'.....But now? I f**kING LOVE IT! The thing is, this war against the Islamification of Britain and Europe is not gonna be won by just White Christians, and anyone who thinks it is needs to have a reality check.Radical Islam dosent give a damn if you're white, black, brown, catholic, Jew or Sikh. If you're not one of them then your are their enemy. End of.

EDL=REAL WORKING CLASS UNITY! B-)
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