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Scum! Check This Out!; Birmingham Evening Mail 25/02/10
Topic Started: Feb 25 2010, 06:55 PM (1,120 Views)
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Feb 25 2010, 10:14 PM
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Feb 25 2010, 10:10 PM


So if you put it all together, because there doesn't need to be proof that this wasnt directed towards other muslims we all know that, it's a racist attack.

I havn't said anywhere it was a white man specifically, I'd be just as appauled and convinced it was a racist attack if the victoms were black.
what? there doesnt need to be proof? are you serious?

so, there is a report of an attack on 3 unidentified youths and you have decided that it was racist without any evidence because it suits your own prejudice. youre just looking for justification for your own racism here. I knew there woud be people like you and anxiety on this forum, but I really hope you are in the minority.
f**ks sake, I think you're in the wrong place mate.

There doesn't need to be proof that they attacked non muslims, because MUSLIMS DON'T ATTACK EACH OTHER.

Of course, it's racist to hate a religion, is it now :ermm:

If there is proof that the victoms were anything other than young asian, muslim youths would you not guess that as a racist attack?

Or are they all 'lovely lads really, just from broken homes awwwww'.
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Albion can you also find one of my 300+ posts where I have ever been racist?
I have never had 1 warning off a mod about my posts. People here have used the P word and I have never used nothing like that once.
Once again someone trying to get out the situation by chucking the racist word.
Don't work with me buddy.
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Feb 25 2010, 10:15 PM
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Feb 25 2010, 10:13 PM
Can I just ask, 'albion boy', what your own personal views are?

If you don't see the threat of islam, and dismiss the people who do see it as bnp supporters, it begs the question, why are you here?
my own personal views on what, this attack?

I have no personal views. I wasnt involved and I didnt witness it so all I have to go on are the facts, and none of those facts say that the victims where white or non muslim.
Your own personal views on islam and the edl in general, squire.

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Feb 25 2010, 10:14 PM
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Feb 25 2010, 10:13 PM
Can I just ask, 'albion boy', what your own personal views are?

If you don't see the threat of islam, and dismiss the people who do see it as bnp supporters, it begs the question, why are you here?
Just another freak who comes here looking to sitr up reactions.
It does not matter how many people come here to stir things up! The more the merrier! The more we get the more we know we are being successful. See the attention of any opponents to EDL as a positive. The better we do the more they will come and try to divide - just ignore em!

We are winning my friend! B-)
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It does not matter how many people come here to stir things up! The more the merrier! The more we get the more we know we are being successful. See the attention of any opponents to EDL as a positive. The better we do the more they will come and try to divide - just ignore em!
Agreed, always good to 'pick the brains' of the opposition though.
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anxiety, Ive only been here a few days and have already noticed that you are a dumb racist so i will ignore anything you have to say on the matter.


If you wish to ignore someone there is a option if you click on there profile and then go to profile options/Ignore user.

Anxiety, if you think someone is a troll PM a member of staff.
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Feb 25 2010, 10:26 PM
I think Albion dose have a point the press do normally say it was white boys being attacked if it is white boys and yes Muslims do attack other Muslims I posted a link the other day muslim kicking another to death and recording it on there mobile
in the birmingam mail? doubt it.
Mate you going to any demos?
PM we can link up.
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Mate you going to any demos?
PM we can link up.
Will probably be going to dudley mate, depending on work commitments. How about yourself?
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Feb 25 2010, 10:17 PM
Your own personal views on islam and the edl in general, squire.

my views on islam reflect my views on any other religion in that I tend to ignore it as it generally doesnt affect me. The threat of militant islam is one I take very seriously, as do I the threat of sharia law being implemented legally, or otherwise. I am a lawyer and have seen many cases where islamic tradition has been used as a justification for violence towards women and children and this sickens me, but I will not jump to conclusions about this particular story. it may well be that the victims where white or non muslim, but I refuse to accept the arguement of 'its obvious innit' or the idea that one does not require evidence before making a decision.

as for the EDL as an organisation, I fully support its existence. For too long have the authorities and powers in the UK stood on a platform of non interference with cultural and religious affairs, so the defence leagues provide a valuable negotiating tool. maybe its true that labour have bussed in a million or more immigrants from the muslim countries in order to secure thier vote, but thats only effective as long as they outnumber the uk citizens who would vote for the tories (ive said already that protest voting is useless). the EDLs role is not to go out trying to physically cleanse the country of muslim interlopers, but to gather political support and power that can be effective come the election.
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Feb 25 2010, 10:29 PM
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Will probably be going to dudley mate, depending on work commitments. How about yourself?
Yeah mate deffo

I will give you a message closer to the time.
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So why would the press be any different in Birmingham then the press in west yorkshire, Manchester or London that have higher population of Muslims then Birmingham .
A WAY OUT FOR YOU NAZI SCUM THATS INFILTRATED THE EDL
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Your own personal views on islam and the edl in general, squire.

my views on islam reflect my views on any other religion in that I tend to ignore it as it generally doesnt affect me. The threat if militant islam is one I take very seriously, as do I the threat of sharia law being implemented legally, or otherwise. I am a lawyer and have seen many cases where islamic tradition has been used as a justification for violence towards women and children and this sickens me, but I will not jump to conclusions about this particular story. it may well be that the victims where white or non muslim, but I refuse to accept the arguement of 'its obvious innit' or the idea that one deos not require evidence before making a decision.

as for the EDL as an organisation, I fully support its existence. For too long have the authorities and powers in the UK stood on a platform of non interference with cultural and religious affairs, so the defence leagues provide a valuable negotiating tool. maybe its true that labour have bussed in a million or more immigrants from the muslim countries in order to secure thier vote, but thats only effective as long as they outnumber the uk citizens who would vote for the tories (ive said already that protest voting is useless). the EDLs role is not to go out trying to physically cleanse the country of muslim interlopers, but to gather political support and power that can be effective come the election.
Well, you're one of us then :burka:

Thing is, going around calling fellow edl supporters racist won't do you any favours. many of us live in areas so bad, the only place we can take our frustration out is on here, and yeah it may come across a bit strong at times, but what would you prefer? People to just sit and tolerate it all?

I don't think anxiety is racist. If, as like many of us on here, he has no qualms with any races, and purely with the religion islam (maybe other religions aswell) I don't accept that he's a racist.

My reaction was based purely from my life view, I've learned that young muslim youth don't generally attack each other unless it's gang on gang. Which leads me to thinking it's a racist attack.
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Feb 25 2010, 10:31 PM
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Yeah mate deffo<br /><br />I will give you a message closer to the time.
Sure, hopefully it's a big one.
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the EDLs role is not to go out trying to physically cleanse the country of muslim interlopers, but to gather political support and power that can be effective come the election.


That's a valid point which deserves further discussion.
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Feb 25 2010, 10:15 PM
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Feb 25 2010, 10:13 PM
Can I just ask, 'albion boy', what your own personal views are?

If you don't see the threat of islam, and dismiss the people who do see it as bnp supporters, it begs the question, why are you here?
my own personal views on what, this attack?

I have no personal views. I wasnt involved and I didnt witness it so all I have to go on are the facts, and none of those facts say that the victims where white or non muslim.
Albion, why do you think they neglected to mention the race of the victims? There have been numerous news articles where muslim gangs have attacked white youths (whilst outnumbering them) and it is exceptionally rare for them to be labelled as racist attacks. It is because of the clear double standard in the use of the term "racist attack" that people now associate this style of journalism with muslim on white attacks.
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I cannot say why the race of the victims was ommitted, but neither can I say with any certainty that they were white and that this attack was racially motivated. I expect more details to emerge and its likely that you are right, but until then I will not indulge in speculation.
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Me and AVFC live in the same place he is just up the road, so yeah he knows how I feel and I know his feelings no doubt.

And hating a religion is not being racist.
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Feb 25 2010, 10:37 PM
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the EDLs role is not to go out trying to physically cleanse the country of muslim interlopers, but to gather political support and power that can be effective come the election.


That's a valid point which deserves further discussion.
with your permission I would like to start a new thread about this, once I have taken the time to consider it properly and perhaps plot a plan of action.
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Albion_1969
Feb 25 2010, 10:43 PM
I cannot say why the race of the victims was ommitted
I think he was asking the wider question of why are attacks by Muslims on whites not reported as racially motivated.

Some of our Sikh members have also expressed concerns about attacks being reported as Asian rather than Muslim.
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Feb 25 2010, 10:45 PM
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with your permission I would like to start a new thread about this, once I have taken the time to consider it properly and perhaps plot a plan of action.
Go for it.
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Feb 25 2010, 10:43 PM
I cannot say why the race of the victims was ommitted, but neither can I say with any certainty that they were white and that this attack was racially motivated. I expect more details to emerge and its likely that you are right, but until then I will not indulge in speculation.
well i'll indulge in speculation i'll bet the hole in my arse that the victims these were non musl;im and the perpetrators were muslim leaving colour out of it is that more pc friendly for you?
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if the 3 lads were white, black or non muslim then people need to report it as racist attack. the law states its racist if someone deems it to be racist
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had i been on that train and witnessed this, i for one would of just taken the lot of them apart...regardless of any consequences.

this f**king sickens me, and i do believe in my heart that enoch powells rivers of blood speech was a warning, for what WILL happen on the streets on the UK
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We are winning and it feels good! :uk:
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this is realy f**ked up ive heard muslims bragging around birmingham about what they do to the whitey and since the edl anounced they are to scared to come back things have got worse. btw the victims were likely to be white coming from sutton coldfield
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Where did EDL say they are scared to go Brum?
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they said its too violent after the 5th september and 8th august
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Feb 25 2010, 11:14 PM
Where did EDL say they are scared to go Brum?
'These gangs have come armed and attacked our members, the police officers trying to protect us, and even random members of the public. We respect the police and the job they have to do, which is why we will not be returning to Birmingham for the foreseeable future. The Muslim gangs of the city are too violent'

makes us look like pussies
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Albion 69 you need to do one back to the mosque you came from. :amen:
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Feb 25 2010, 11:14 PM
Where did EDL say they are scared to go Brum?
'These gangs have come armed and attacked our members, the police officers trying to protect us, and even random members of the public. We respect the police and the job they have to do, which is why we will not be returning to Birmingham for the foreseeable future. The Muslim gangs of the city are too violent'

makes us look like pussies
I agree, it's like we are backing down to the people we are trying to fight.
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Feb 25 2010, 11:19 PM
Albion 69 you need to do one back to the mosque you came from. :amen:
maybe you should read the whole thread.
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Feb 25 2010, 10:43 PM
I cannot say why the race of the victims was ommitted, but neither can I say with any certainty that they were white and that this attack was racially motivated. I expect more details to emerge and its likely that you are right, but until then I will not indulge in speculation.
even if they wasn't white it possibly (probably) was still racially motivated. How many times are we reading over the last few weeks alone about asian gangs attacking others be they white,black,chinese etc. this WAS a racist attack and without starting a row it is people like you that are destroying this country. Ooh hang on we have no evidence that it was a racist attack. Wake up mate and look out your window at the real world
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Sorry that really excited me. prehaps i should grow up :wow:
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With regards to Albion_1969 - he raises a valid point. But, that is not having a dig at the sensible comments others have posted. I for one would bet money on the victims being White - whether the paper says it or not. He raised a question asking where it said they were White - and it doesn`t. Another but though, I personally think it will be proved they were White.
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MJ999 is it 100% no more Birmingham for the EDL?
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Feb 25 2010, 11:21 PM
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Feb 25 2010, 10:43 PM
I cannot say why the race of the victims was ommitted, but neither can I say with any certainty that they were white and that this attack was racially motivated. I expect more details to emerge and its likely that you are right, but until then I will not indulge in speculation.
even if they wasn't white it possibly (probably) was still racially motivated. How many times are we reading over the last few weeks alone about asian gangs attacking others be they white,black,chinese etc. this WAS a racist attack and without starting a row it is people like you that are destroying this country. Ooh hang on we have no evidence that it was a racist attack. Wake up mate and look out your window at the real world
Proud, what you know and what you can prove are two very different things. i have spent years working as a criminal prosecution lawyer and have learned that knee jerk reactions built on assumptions are the quickest route to a dressing down by any judge worth the name and a taking apart by a halfway decent defence counsel.

as for the idea that its people like me who are ruining the country, I find that as offensive as I do absurd. far from ruining the country I work to preserve its laws and hard won rights against the very people who carry out attacks like this.
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Feb 25 2010, 11:26 PM
MJ999 is it 100% no more Birmingham for the EDL?
This is my personal opinion: I think EDL SHOULD return to Brum. I also think they will eventually. My views remember.
We have other demos planned for the future - but we cannot keep away from a City because we are threatened. We had 150 in Brum on the 5th - we would have at least 3k on the next one.





edit: Don`t know why I put `I also think THEY will eventually`!! Obviously the `THEY` should be `WE`. :)
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:respect: :amen: :gallop: :bomb: :pig1: :pig: :burka1: :gallop: :pig1: :pig: :burka1: :templar: :taliban: :kebab: :fuhrer: :england: :uk: :scotland: :welcome: :taqiyya:

Sorry that really excited me. prehaps i should grow up :wow:
Now,I never put that many on. :) ;) B-)

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This makes my piss boil!
I feel so sorry for these kids who got harassed. Little did they know that four or five well aimed throat punches and a good side kick right on the weight bearing knee would have sorted these cowards out.
Were there no other passengers on the train?
If I saw this going down I'd be in there knocking heads.
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Isn't Brum the one that the police seemed to be highlighting the threat of suicide attacks if EDL did it again and expressed their civil right to peacefully protest? What are the police doing about such threats? I hope that they are working night and day to ensure that the city is safe!
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The word racist left out what a suprise, if it had been white youths on asians racists would have been the banner headline, if this was my local paper id be writing to the editor and asking him to explain that one.
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im 42 years in this country most of them happy in brum. the rest away in the army. im for the EDL 100 %. why are we thinkin of stayin away from brum protests cus of opposition. are we Englishmen or not for fxxks sake
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Feb 25 2010, 11:33 PM
Isn't Brum the one that the police seemed to be highlighting the threat of suicide attacks if EDL did it again and expressed their civil right to peacefully protest? What are the police doing about such threats? I hope that they are working night and day to ensure that the city is safe!
Yes, it has been mentioned. Not sure what the police are doing though.
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Feb 25 2010, 11:05 PM
We are winning and it feels good! :uk:
Good Lad. Keep positive.

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isnt being scared to go somewhere in OUR own country against what were about?? and if the edl did have a future protest here it could be the bigest yet theres alot of support for the edl in brum
Edited by 1875england1875, Feb 25 2010, 11:48 PM.
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its obvious we all want the same thing. we need more face to face contact cus messages can get read wrong.
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The statement about Brum is ridiculous...

Completely makes us seem like we've given up. Why didn't the organisers not addres Birmingham at all or say they're aiming to have demos at different parts of the country before going back there?
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"Albion_1969" sounds to me like a muslim apologist. Probably UAF.

Please remove him from this forum
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so come on then then lets vote. who is scared to go to brum and why.. i live here so i aint got no choice.lol
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"Albion_1969" sounds to me like a muslim apologist. Probably UAF.

Please remove him from this forum
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