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Topic Started: Feb 24 2010, 12:15 AM (1,055 Views)
covimp28
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Feb 24 2010, 02:59 AM
I have only done Stoke demo and for me personnaly it was a cover the face jobby..2 reasons,1 i have a wife n young son and whilst i will take some hassle myself i do not want my family involved..2 ,I work for a big blue chip company and if i was seen in the paper or on the news i know my job would be in jeopardy!! So for me more demos and more hiding off face..My choice,your choice to be the new face of the EDL if you want...
As I've said i would have no worries in doing that as I have little family with no wife but it seems a bit hypocritical (to my friends and family , who wont join because of them) me doing it if everyone's running round with masks on, don't you think?
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EDL hoodies,EDL masks(instead of scarves,home made masks),a part of the uniform so to speak,possibly making everyone happy?fair enough viewing thro the public eye some may find the visuals threatening but everyone has the right to conceal their identity? The numbers however,yes,growing is the way forward.ear bending,hear say,flyer dropping,general motivation of others. I've worked in sales + design and marketing/advertising ie:strong word of mouth/successful and continual leaflet/flyer pushing will work,maybe not the main solution for recruiting but a bloody good way of getting the other few hundred/thousand interested that would may not of been reached otherwise.some people need that little nudge or knowledge about groups like us because not everyone is going to be researching us off their own back.i only found out thro word of mouth,otherwise i'd of had no idea but am sure as hell passing the word on!Find a m8 thats nifty on photoshop etc or check the flyer design forum,theres cheap printers everywhere! IF YOU BUILD IT,THEY WILL COME!
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Feb 24 2010, 03:04 AM
And don't get personall with me either.
It ain't above my head.
I understand your stance
Accept what and how we feel about things.
If you have anything to bring to the table,leave the sledgehammer at home.
Havn't got a clue what your on about. My replies have been to your posts. If you feel that upset pm me with details. If not I'll see you in London, Bolton, Dudly or Sheffield!!!!!!!!!!
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your not doing very well covimp you dont want to make friends you are alienating every one yet you want to stand with the EDL at demos dont make much sense to me mate :blink:
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Feb 24 2010, 03:08 AM
your not doing very well covimp you dont want to make friends you are alienating every one yet you want to stand with the EDL at demos dont make much sense to me mate :blink:
If anyone bothers to read what I'm saying then i can't see how anyones getting annoyed. Earlier on i was a bit brash and passionate because my mates wont join because of the reasons already discussed. Maybe my mates are right and your wrong????? who knows. All i know is , everything i said was to start debate on getting numbers for the group. If your al offended by that then maybe just maybe I'm in the wrong group????
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He can stand with me UJAC.no problem
Covimp28.look forward to your furure threads ,
No surrender
Tj wdl
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yep goes for me to but he might just have to hold me up :)
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covimp28
Feb 24 2010, 03:04 AM
Burty
Feb 24 2010, 02:59 AM
I have only done Stoke demo and for me personnaly it was a cover the face jobby..2 reasons,1 i have a wife n young son and whilst i will take some hassle myself i do not want my family involved..2 ,I work for a big blue chip company and if i was seen in the paper or on the news i know my job would be in jeopardy!! So for me more demos and more hiding off face..My choice,your choice to be the new face of the EDL if you want...
As I've said i would have no worries in doing that as I have little family with no wife but it seems a bit hypocritical (to my friends and family , who wont join because of them) me doing it if everyone's running round with masks on, don't you think?
A lot of people covering their faces are doing it for a reason like myself or as another poster said "living in an area that could be very hostile" its ok when there are hundreds of us together but once on his own he is an easy target and thru experience i know the scum attack 1 and 2 people in large groups...So i say each to his own..If you think you would be hypocritical then do as the masses do n cover up ;)
There is a forgotten nay almost forbidden word,which means more to me than any other.That word is ENGLAND!! No Surrender...
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You'll have to get your own kettle.
I'm looking on some more sdl
Nite all
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covimp28
Feb 24 2010, 12:47 AM
I obviously can't reply to everyone as i can't even get chance to read all replies.

MJ99 i am very prepared for my face to be plastered everywhere as i have no kids, no wife so i dont have anything to lose..... what pisses me off is saying no surrender behind masks as that is not getting the main stream to join (although many agree). So as the question stated , is it a better way to go without masks and acctually get it out there to the public without looking like nazis???? surely the numbers and the cause is more important than dirty UAF
to covimp28 - i really understand wot ur saying and wen i first became admin to one of the largest 'active' divisions i would have backed you 100% on wot ur saying but in the last 6 mnths the EDL have grown at a rate no-one could possibly have imagined 8/9 months ago so the main admin must be doing something right... i know lots of members that really can't show their face so go to demos/ marches masked up or disguised and to me thats fine becoz its their jobs/ livelyhood at risk... i've been advised by friends/ family/ and other admin in my division to be prepared to have to fight for my job when an EDL demo comes to our town - i enjoy my job but this cause is more important so that's a chance i'm willing to take besides i'm only part - time and don't depend on the job entirely... unlike probably 25% of EDL members... but please please don't give up your fight, as road-hog said keep up your enthusiam its guys like you we need...
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Feb 24 2010, 03:52 AM
covimp28
Feb 24 2010, 12:47 AM
I obviously can't reply to everyone as i can't even get chance to read all replies.

MJ99 i am very prepared for my face to be plastered everywhere as i have no kids, no wife so i dont have anything to lose..... what pisses me off is saying no surrender behind masks as that is not getting the main stream to join (although many agree). So as the question stated , is it a better way to go without masks and acctually get it out there to the public without looking like nazis???? surely the numbers and the cause is more important than dirty UAF
to covimp28 - i really understand wot ur saying and wen i first became admin to one of the largest 'active' divisions i would have backed you 100% on wot ur saying but in the last 6 mnths the EDL have grown at a rate no-one could possibly have imagined 8/9 months ago so the main admin must be doing something right... i know lots of members that really can't show their face so go to demos/ marches masked up or disguised and to me thats fine becoz its their jobs/ livelyhood at risk... i've been advised by friends/ family/ and other admin in my division to be prepared to have to fight for my job when an EDL demo comes to our town - i enjoy my job but this cause is more important so that's a chance i'm willing to take besides i'm only part - time and don't depend on the job entirely... unlike probably 25% of EDL members... but please please don't give up your fight, as road-hog said keep up your enthusiam its guys like you we need...
Don't worry , I'm going nowhere , just wish i could persuade the people closest to me to sign up for the cause. And I can't at the moment, I'm here for the long haul no matter what!
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covimp28
Feb 24 2010, 12:47 AM
I obviously can't reply to everyone as i can't even get chance to read all replies.

MJ99 i am very prepared for my face to be plastered everywhere as i have no kids, no wife so i dont have anything to lose..... what pisses me off is saying no surrender behind masks as that is not getting the main stream to join (although many agree). So as the question stated , is it a better way to go without masks and acctually get it out there to the public without looking like nazis???? surely the numbers and the cause is more important than dirty UAF
how does wearing a mask or balaclava make you a nazi?

fact i had some problems for going to an edl demo
if you want what happened to me to happen to you your perfectly welcome
if the way we dress puts people of and scares them well they will be to scared to demonstrate
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Feb 24 2010, 01:03 AM
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Feb 24 2010, 01:01 AM

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It doesn't matter what I've had put in my face, this is about getting numbers up and challanging the boundaries not f**king egos for me
SPOT ON :D
"Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." George Orwell
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@covimp28 what would you suggest then go to an edl demo get photographed, have it published,have your name address phone number published with it have malicious phonecalls,vandalism on property and assualted?

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See your asking same question on Fb page R** and getting the same kinda answers...
There is a forgotten nay almost forbidden word,which means more to me than any other.That word is ENGLAND!! No Surrender...
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Covimp, you are coming across as one of those ill informed foul mouthed little ravers that got the FB wall into disrepute. Calm yaself down buddy and have a nice long think, cut the unecessary expletives, conduct yourself like the adult you are and have a chat with us all - I think you will get a far better reception.
Rome was not built in a day my friend.
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covimp28
Feb 24 2010, 03:15 AM
All i know is , everything i said was to start debate on getting numbers for the group. If your al offended by that then maybe just maybe I'm in the wrong group????
Well if that's what you think mate then no one is stopping you leaving, as has been stated rome wasn't built in a day.
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I tend to retain a healthy scepticism when posters keep ‘spouting on’ about the
so-called benefits to be gained by members revealing their identity at demo’s etc.

I’m not suggesting that this is the case with covimp28, but ‘masking up’ is an
individual choice and I think it foolish for anyone to advocate otherwise.
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Feb 24 2010, 12:48 PM
‘masking up’ is an individual choice and I think it foolish for anyone to advocate otherwise.
precisely. Who is anyone to tell another person how to dress? this isn't islam. I have mates who are serving soldiers who want to come along to a demo and if they do they will be covering their faces as much as they can, who am I to tell lads who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan that they're not allowed to do it.

I understand what people are saying with regards to image, but people have lives to get on with away from the EDL. This argument 'so what if you lose your job the country needs us to win' doesn't wash in the real world when people have got hungry children that need feeding, morgages that need paid, and wifes/girlfriends that need new shoes etc :)

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@covimp28,you sad this was over my head,in my book that's pointed at me.
I can only suggest you are not getting the message across to your friends because they they are not up to the challenge,they use the weak arguement of masked up as a get out.or is the whole issue that we stand against over your friends and your head.
Either way sort youself out in your priorities.
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I,ve just been looking around the site, and if my findings are correct we are going to get a lot more of what we have just had from covimp, It looks likely that there are a few pubescent adolescents come over from FB.
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covimp28
Feb 24 2010, 02:51 AM
Tynie.... The EDL has done brilliantly but 10,000 members doesn't equate to 10,000 on the street, 'I know it's only been a year, I know about the leaderships arrest. I joined the group because it's supposed to be non racist. My friends are not joining because we come across as if we are!!!! There words not mine, and that was the whole point of the feed. I wish I hadn't bothered!!! But i'll still be there. I just want the image to change so we can have more power!!!! I think it's common sense , judging by the replies I'm either not common or i have no sense, either way i take offense
I think that you will find that it is OFFENCE my friend
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it does make ya wonder when someone keeps banging on about showing faces at demo's etc.
it's always wise to Query peoples motives when it comes to this sort of thing.

and anyone who says stuff like {well i would join the only group with the nerve to stand up to islamic supremism,
but the masks & beer puts me off} are'nt the sort of people we really want alongside us anyway are they. would you really want such a limp biscuit standing alongside you at any demo, if a mask is more important to him than the issue of islamisation!


"A MANS MORAL WORTH IS ESTABLISHED ONLY AT THE POINT WHERE HE IS READY TO GIVE UP HIS LIFE IN DEFENSE OF HIS CONVICTIONS".... HENNING VON TRESCKOW










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Well said SWAT.
You can lead a horse to water,but you can't make it drink ,as they say in somalia.
I hope he doesn't come dack any time soon.and don't quote me on that covimp28.5
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well saod swat people really to need to get a grip.
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Yet again, i was trying to start a debate on why more numbers are not joining and i gave my reasons for that. Judging by the abuse that I'm getting there obviously isn't a debate to be had so I'll just leave you all to it. I was a bit drunk last night but i feel i had valid points, probably could of put it better (as I've already stated) but they are still valid points, which was not saying everyone should be unmasked but that is the reason more people don't join or are not at the demos!!!! Obviously I'm just an ignorant idealist!!!!!

Thanks for pointing out my grammatical errors, you must be very proud of yourself!!!!!

I'll still be in London and Bolton but i think my time on here is pointless.
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The idea is fine mate. I would love everyone to be able to be unmasked - it isn`t gonna happen soon though.
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I understand the problem with the masks. Wearing a ski-mask or balaclava is as intimidating as a burka. It also has overtones with paramilitaries which we certainly are. However, our leadership needs to protect itself from the lefties and the islamists and nutters that are out there. Also many of the members feel the need to protect their identity. I would suggest, and have suggested it before that instead of the ski-masks and similar , we all wear -V- masks. A sign of rebellion against those who would act as traitors to our country and also protect everyone's identity. It's a suggestion,other masks could be used....masks of Gordon Brown or Tony Blair for instance (that should confuse the left!). Anyway my thoughts
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covimp28s i can see your point. the masks do make the league look like a paramilitary organisation more concerned with not being identified during violent protest than a peaceful group advocating a return to traditional values in the face of the creeping islamification of the UK. However, there are real dangers in uncovering. the possibility of violent retribution and possible intimidation in the workplace or even loss of position should not be treated lightly. its all well and good to talk about ridding britain of the extremists being more important than the individual, but that smacks of Marxism. yes, the individual must be prepared to give up his liberty in a struggle such as this one, but there is nothing to be gained from mindless bravado. learn to pick your fights.
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covimp28s i can see your point. the masks do make the league look like a paramilitary organisation more concerned with not being identified during violent protest than a peaceful group advocating a return to traditional values in the face of the creeping islamification of the UK. However, there are real dangers in uncovering. the possibility of violent retribution and possible intimidation in the workplace or even loss of position should not be treated lightly. its all well and good to talk about ridding britain of the extremists being more important than the individual, but that smacks of Marxism. yes, the individual must be prepared to give up his liberty in a struggle such as this one, but there is nothing to be gained from mindless bravado. learn to pick your fights.
that is an excellent reply albion ;)
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next time someone calls you a Islamaphobe, punch them in the face call them a punchaphobe.....

S.W.A.T thats some funny s**t mate I like that :D :D :D
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