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Topic Started: Feb 24 2010, 12:15 AM (1,057 Views)
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Listen i'm not here to make friends. I'm here for the same goal as you all are, I just think we could have many thousands more
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I think we all get that point...
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Jenkins tyvm, Impetuous isn't a word i get called often and I'm sure you will understand my point in the end lol . It's a valid point , it's not an attack, it's hopefully a jolt for all of us to recruit..... OLD RECORD How can we do it when we're classed as racist hooligans?????
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covimp28
Feb 24 2010, 01:15 AM
Listen i'm not here to make friends.
Mission accomplished.
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Feb 24 2010, 01:18 AM
covimp28
Feb 24 2010, 01:15 AM
Listen i'm not here to make friends.
Mission accomplished.
:D :) :)
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christ the way you are going on lad your not going to make any friends on here
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covimp28 - have sent you a pm.
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anyone else think this lads just trying to cause a row :O
if you think you will lose, you have lost

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Why would i want to make friends with people ignorant to everything???? It was supposed to be a debate not a lynching by ignorant idiots :-) sure i'll get a few for that. Look up Pat Condell, you may get a grip of sarcasm!!!!!!!!!
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Feb 24 2010, 01:26 AM
Why would i want to make friends with people ignorant to everything???? It was supposed to be a debate not a lynching by ignorant idiots :-) sure i'll get a few for that. Look up Pat Condell, you may get a grip of sarcasm!!!!!!!!!
well piss off then
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Feb 24 2010, 01:26 AM
Why would i want to make friends with people ignorant to everything???? It was supposed to be a debate not a lynching by ignorant idiots :-) sure i'll get a few for that. Look up Pat Condell, you may get a grip of sarcasm!!!!!!!!!
If you read the forum like I have asked... you`ll see Pat has been mentioned quite a few times on here.
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This is a real dilemma.

I can completely see that there is a serious issue of safety (particularly for people with families), but I can also see that a complete absence of face coverings would have a hugely positive effect, in terms of making the demonstrations appear immediately more self confident, more self assured. It would also make the task of our opponents - to smear us as 'extremists' or 'hooligans' - much harder to achieve.

I don't know how to resolve this. And I haven't yet attended a protest myself so I'm aware that my experience is limited. But I do see both sides.
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Feb 24 2010, 01:29 AM
This is a real dilemma.

I can completely see that there is a serious issue of safety (particularly for people with families), but I can also see that a complete absence of face coverings would have a hugely positive effect, in terms of making the demonstrations appear immediately more self confident, more self assured. It would also make the task of our opponents - to smear us as 'extremists' or 'hooligans' - much harder to achieve.

I don't know how to resolve this. And I haven't yet attended a protest myself so I'm aware that my experience is limited. But I do see both sides.
There you go! Somebody who wants to put a point across properly.
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covimp28
Feb 24 2010, 01:26 AM
Why would i want to make friends with people ignorant to everything???? It was supposed to be a debate not a lynching by ignorant idiots :-) sure i'll get a few for that. Look up Pat Condell, you may get a grip of sarcasm!!!!!!!!!
what people were saying was their opinions and resons of why they should not show their faces. What you are saying is that by removing their face coverings they will get more support. What I would like to say is that you have put your point forward but its now down to the majority and you will be glad to know that the majoroty agree with you but in the circumstances at the moment, it is not the wisest thing to do.

This is your answer and there reasons.

You need toaccept it for now and see what the coming days or weeks holds.
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Just look at what happened to Pim Fortuyn Theo van Gogh. This is what were up against and that is why our leaders don't want to be identified.
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Feb 24 2010, 01:29 AM
This is a real dilemma.

I can completely see that there is a serious issue of safety (particularly for people with families), but I can also see that a complete absence of face coverings would have a hugely positive effect, in terms of making the demonstrations appear immediately more self confident, more self assured. It would also make the task of our opponents - to smear us as 'extremists' or 'hooligans' - much harder to achieve.

I don't know how to resolve this. And I haven't yet attended a protest myself so I'm aware that my experience is limited. But I do see both sides.
Yeah I see both sides aswell but if the op puts himself forward to do the statements n that in a suit n tie looking so called respectable then it would end this whole"debate"
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You use the word mainstream a lot.we are all ordinary people drawn from a broard church of political,religious and ethnic backgrounds.what you read on the tin is what you get on the street demos we have .you say you have been with us.this movement has come forward leaps and bounds .not just lads who are streetwise and won't give an inch to the ob ,but the people you talk about,ordinary folk,it may on occassions that only those of a certain ilk will attend a certain city or area because of a possible threat.so be it.if its not for you,fair enough.but as you said we are dealing with those who want to change our lands thru sharia etc.if its the defence leagues presence and present numbers and tactics that halt all that we fight against well I'm in,give me a pen and wheres the contract .sign up or ship out. By the way I'm main stream are you.
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where's he gone
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Hopefully off to join his local division and start doing something positive to up the numbers !! ( ignorant idiots ) wot a mug .. ^o)
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FC calling me OB . Apreciated
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Pale rider i can't help feeling your missing my point I was in Nottingham And i was in Stoke and what i got from them both is the media will not give us coverage and the UAF will obviously kick off. Having 1500 - 2000 is not enough. The question at the top of the thread before everyone got there beards off was,,,,,,,, How do we get the numbers up??????
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NBLTFC as i have already said numerous times i have no worries doing that. And for the record the picture in my suit was at my nans funeral and isn't everyday dress.
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Feb 24 2010, 01:46 AM
Pale rider i can't help feeling your missing my point I was in Nottingham And i was in Stoke and what i got from them both is the media will not give us coverage and the UAF will obviously kick off. Having 1500 - 2000 is not enough. The question at the top of the thread before everyone got there beards off was,,,,,,,, How do we get the numbers up??????
your question has been answered but it is not possible yet for fears of identity, thats the majority for now!!!
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Feb 24 2010, 01:46 AM
How do we get the numbers up??????
Better PR & marketing so that we can appeal more to the mainstream. We need to improve our image, which is a major uphill battle considering that the government and government sympathetic media are against us. Somewhere along the way we have to lose the odd battle to win the war and it isn't going to be over in a couple of months. However, if I were a newbie looking to join the EDL and I read this thread tonight, it probably wouldn't make me feel like joining, so perhaps a less aggressive confrontational attitude would help. Save your adrenaline for the marches.
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Sorry to hear about ya nan mate,but still your saying to reach out to the wider community(even though many of us are that community) n get more numbers so by wearing a suit n that it looks more respectable or aproachable or whatever so will therefore get numbers up from people who think we are just "racists n hools"
Wasnt having a dig just debating mate.
Have you approached admin about doing so?(vids etc)
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Feb 24 2010, 12:15 AM
How are we going to achieve our objects when we are perceived as racist hooligans????? The whole point of demonstration is making people understand and join. I know this wont go down well but i have to say it, as i think we're doing ourselves an indignity by continuously having masks on and making amateur videos!!! The main stream of the public (who agree with the ideals) will not join a group that is being run like this. Is it not the way forward to have the masks and excessive drinking at marches ( which any likely new member would look at first on you tube ) , hence the reason we're not getting the support we should be. I've already explained my reasons for starting this debate. It is not a dig at the leadership, it is a start to a hopeful continuation of the ideals. BUT as said this needs to be debated and I'm ready for what any of you have to say!!!!!!! Are we nazis or are we fair people???? however pissed off you maybe with this , lets discuss it !!!!
Fella firstly how many demos have you been on and where do u come from? Secondly we would all like to demonstrate but we arnt being allowed. Thirdly i tried to demonstrate with our Scottish brothers. We peacefully arrived at the train station only to have a video thrust in our faces and then kept on a platform for three hours.I tell you and any other person moaning about masks.Thats the last time the old bill see my face. Mask from now on.Its not a game son, The soapies arnt the real enemy.Saturday proved it.The time is coming when fire will have to be met with fire.
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The majority of us is not the majority of Engand, surely getting these people more intergrated into the movement would make it stronger. Can't be arsed anymore. I'l shut up for a BIT!!!!
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Feb 24 2010, 01:58 AM
The majority of us is not the majority of Engand, surely getting these people more intergrated into the movement would make it stronger. Can't be arsed anymore. I'l shut up for a BIT!!!!
there is nothing more you can do, you have asked the question and found some answers.
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Feb 24 2010, 01:43 AM
FC calling me OB . Apreciated
haha wtf just got it your EDL DIVISION come on for fcuks sake !!!!!
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Fair point road hog. Didn't mean to come across like that but that's what i'm being told. I can't see how we're going anywhere with masks on
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So they obviously won't nick you with a mask on then? Good night and god bless , I can't be arsed tonight
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Feb 24 2010, 12:22 AM
The media are always going to portray us as racist Nazi's, no matter what. People wear masks to hide their identity, because people have been attacled amd lost their jobs after having their picture in the paper. You cannot stop people from drinking, they deserve a drink after travelling all that way.
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The numbers will get massive when people realise what the government are actually doing, that will probably be a long time away but I think the EDL are going in the right direction and are doing everything right. The average people will one day wake up (maybe when mosques are being built on every street including rural areas) and realise the only people standing up for them are the EDL. It is all about patience
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Feb 24 2010, 02:00 AM
Fair point road hog. Didn't mean to come across like that but that's what i'm being told. I can't see how we're going anywhere with masks on
In an ideal world we wouldn`t need to wear masks. Unfortunately, the people we have against us are not living in our world. I would love nothing more than seeing lots of faces on a demo, and limited police - but at the moment, it isn`t gonna happen.
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NBLTFC Why does everything have to be about me wearing a suit on facebook. I can give you one with a spliff hanging out me arse if that would make you feel better??????? Think you have the wrong impression mate.
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Feb 24 2010, 02:11 AM
NBLTFC Why does everything have to be about me wearing a suit on facebook. I can give you one with a spliff hanging out me arse if that would make you feel better??????? Think you have the wrong impression mate.
Fella how many demos have you been on?
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2. is that not enough? I feel like I'm getting mugged off over a valid point here
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Feb 24 2010, 01:31 AM
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Feb 24 2010, 01:29 AM
This is a real dilemma.

I can completely see that there is a serious issue of safety (particularly for people with families), but I can also see that a complete absence of face coverings would have a hugely positive effect, in terms of making the demonstrations appear immediately more self confident, more self assured. It would also make the task of our opponents - to smear us as 'extremists' or 'hooligans' - much harder to achieve.

I don't know how to resolve this. And I haven't yet attended a protest myself so I'm aware that my experience is limited. But I do see both sides.
There you go! Somebody who wants to put a point across properly.
Apologies for my obvious ignorance. I'm obviously one of them bad people my mum told me about. Oh no, wait. no wait. He's not thick. Just says what he thinks with a passion!!!!!
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no mate he speaks to people in a civilised manner
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Covimp28..I get the point.the media do show demos ,but only the parts they want to.in notts they could have shown the prayer being recited ,they didn't,or the minutes of silence we have.the media is important but in this age of multi media outlets .we are getting coverage.rome was not built ,as they say.I was at wrexham ,look at the write ups,or google it. I don't mask ,I live in wales and my area is predominately christian .so iam very lucky.
I agree that more numbers would be good,flipping marvelouse.
The govt will not accept we are correct in our take on sharia or extremism.that was proved at SDL demo and at Tommys house with semi auto guns being used.now if doesn't bother you or impress you that we are knocking on doors .the govt are in overdrive to quash us.I get it,I've never been anything but.
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The fact we have over 10,000 + members on here must say something to you surely?
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Covimp28..I get the point.the media do show demos ,but only the parts they want to.in notts they could have shown the prayer being recited ,they didn't,or the minutes of silence we have.the media is important but in this age of multi media outlets .we are getting coverage.rome was not built ,as they say.I was at wrexham ,look at the write ups,or google it. I don't mask ,I live in wales and my area is predominately christian .so iam very lucky.
I agree that more numbers would be good,flipping marvelouse.
The govt will not accept we are correct in our take on sharia or extremism.that was proved at SDL demo and at Tommys house with semi auto guns being used.now if doesn't bother you or impress you that we are knocking on doors .the govt are in overdrive to quash us.I get it,I've never been anything but.
Again i think my points are going over heads!!! When did i say the media show ANYTHNG for the EDl ????? We are obviously not getting media because it's being semi-controlled by government and on the other side the |UAF who are funded by the government. Are we on about the same subject ??? or have you gone on one???? It's getting a bit late for this s**t. I've made my views blatantly obvious. I never wanted a load of abuse or hate from people ganging up. I agree i could've put things better but i also think people could of read what i was saying and either agreed or not!!!! Was supposed to be a debate on getting more numbers not starting a lynch mob :-P
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NBLTFC Why does everything have to be about me wearing a suit on facebook. I can give you one with a spliff hanging out me arse if that would make you feel better??????? Think you have the wrong impression mate.
Right mate,you started the thread about masks being worn n it showing the wrong image yeah,so ive said for you to come forward n do the statements n that in smart clothes(your pic shows you in a suit looking smart) to give over a "better image" to those that wont join because of what you said about there being a bad image,nothing specifically about that suit.
OH n I dont want a second burn on that joint if its been in your arse,lol. :'( :D B-)
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Feb 24 2010, 12:56 AM
Right , your all having it , which is good, There's just been 2 points about employment, WE ARE TALING ABOUT MILITANT ISLAM TAKING OVER THE RIGHT OF YOUR KIDS, GRANDKIDS AND GREAT GRANDKIDS . SO WHATS MORE IMPORTANT????????? YOUR JOB????? Sorry for capitals , I'm not having a dig. I'm trying to move it forward a bit. Where are the numbers going to come from????? Someone tell me please
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how the hell can people protest if they aint got no money ???? Go on the dole??? in my opinion thats what drove most of the extremists here in the 1st place because of the currency rate and as well as if they carnt work we would pay them anyway. Then send a large percentage back to the extremists back home.

So anyway thats why i boycott the dole. So how can we make any difference with no money????

Its the numbers that count m8 right. We dont just do demos we also tell everyone we know. Who will hopefully pass the word on 2. Then also there leaflets and maybe posters. We dont do them with masks
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Tynie.... The EDL has done brilliantly but 10,000 members doesn't equate to 10,000 on the street, 'I know it's only been a year, I know about the leaderships arrest. I joined the group because it's supposed to be non racist. My friends are not joining because we come across as if we are!!!! There words not mine, and that was the whole point of the feed. I wish I hadn't bothered!!! But i'll still be there. I just want the image to change so we can have more power!!!! I think it's common sense , judging by the replies I'm either not common or i have no sense, either way i take offense
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Covimp28 you mentioned the media.you mentioned masks etc.you also said you are going to your pit.
Go there please,yes all said tonight will be bouncing around your head.
As I said .id love to have numbers up,it will happen.
Can you answer me this,if you are so phased by the mask up ,why are you involved.
Please don't bark back,I may need you and vice versa ,in the event we stand together in sheffield.go on turn up ,please.
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NBLTFC I changed my profile pic on facebook just for you baby, I know you want me, You know you want me, Let's play lol
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I have only done Stoke demo and for me personnaly it was a cover the face jobby..2 reasons,1 i have a wife n young son and whilst i will take some hassle myself i do not want my family involved..2 ,I work for a big blue chip company and if i was seen in the paper or on the news i know my job would be in jeopardy!! So for me more demos and more hiding off face..My choice,your choice to be the new face of the EDL if you want...
There is a forgotten nay almost forbidden word,which means more to me than any other.That word is ENGLAND!! No Surrender...
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Pale rider, If you had bothered looking at my posts with an open mind you will see what has been wrote. The media wont give any attention at all on demos, the government supported UAF have free reign. I never said i was phased by the masks i said the friends and family i've begged to join will not because of the impression the masks and the stuff on you tube is making us out to be.... That's pretty much all ive said, i got wound up on others peoples behalf but them people are the ones we're missing out on. ARGH lol
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And don't get personall with me either.
It ain't above my head.
I understand your stance
Accept what and how we feel about things.
If you have anything to bring to the table,leave the sledgehammer at home.
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