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How are we going to achieve our objects when we are perceived as racist hooligans????? The whole point of demonstration is making people understand and join. I know this wont go down well but i have to say it, as i think we're doing ourselves an indignity by continuously having masks on and making amateur videos!!! The main stream of the public (who agree with the ideals) will not join a group that is being run like this. Is it not the way forward to have the masks and excessive drinking at marches ( which any likely new member would look at first on you tube ) , hence the reason we're not getting the support we should be. I've already explained my reasons for starting this debate. It is not a dig at the leadership, it is a start to a hopeful continuation of the ideals. BUT as said this needs to be debated and I'm ready for what any of you have to say!!!!!!! Are we nazis or are we fair people???? however pissed off you maybe with this , lets discuss it !!!!
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familiarise yourself with the forum mate the leadership have done a hell of a lot in the last few days ;)
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The media are always going to portray us as racist Nazi's, no matter what. People wear masks to hide their identity, because people have been attacled amd lost their jobs after having their picture in the paper. You cannot stop people from drinking, they deserve a drink after travelling all that way.
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Did you post basically same thing on the fb group?
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The problem remains that some of the spokespersons live in inner city towns that are hotbeds of Islamic extremism. by showing yourself in open you may be leaving youself, or your family open to a attack, like what happened to the Bradford Lad walking home after a night out.

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Did you post basically same thing on the fb group?


No that was me
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Read through some of the forum, the answers are there.
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Right , I know exactly what happened to the leadership and i understand to some extent why people hide there face......... The point is, what is the way to gain new members when it's blatantly obvious the main stream dont like seeing people with masks on looking threatening (not my view, but how can i tell my mates any different ??? when that's what they say to me) Yes it was on facebook earlier before the wall got deleted. For me , this is the biggest issue the movement has, getting more people creates more power, and the reason people aren't joining is because of the above points so surely someone will have the decency to talk about it!!!!! If anyone has a problem showing there face when there supposed to be standing up for us , it sounds hypocritical to me and i'm a supporting member. So what the f**k is anyone else supposed to think????
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Feb 24 2010, 12:15 AM
How are we going to achieve our objects when we are perceived as racist hooligans????? The whole point of demonstration is making people understand and join. I know this wont go down well but i have to say it, as i think we're doing ourselves an indignity by continuously having masks on and making amateur videos!!! The main stream of the public (who agree with the ideals) will not join a group that is being run like this. Is it not the way forward to have the masks and excessive drinking at marches ( which any likely new member would look at first on you tube ) , hence the reason we're not getting the support we should be. I've already explained my reasons for starting this debate. It is not a dig at the leadership, it is a start to a hopeful continuation of the ideals. BUT as said this needs to be debated and I'm ready for what any of you have to say!!!!!!! Are we nazis or are we fair people???? however pissed off you maybe with this , lets discuss it !!!!
It's not the football lads who are the problem in my opinion, even if there had not been one arrest at any of our demos we would still be classed as 'racists' or 'nazis' or 'hooligans' etc. It's the left-wing press that's the problem.

Anyone causing trouble at the demos in the future will be ejected, and other measures will be put in place. In Edingurgh it showed why we need people with the robust attitudes the football lads have, we were treated like animals.

We're not the ones who turn up a power stations to try and close them down, we're not the ones who are trying to blow up animal testing labs, or run onto runways to stop planes etc

Apart from a few acts of violence by a few people we have done nothing wrong, but it doesn't stop a member of the leadership from getting his and his parents houses turned over and his kids held at gunpoint.
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Then they come on here and chat to us. People don't want to show their faces and then get targeted by people thinking they are racist.
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How can you say I'm against militant Islam while dressed in militant clothes and mask ???????? This is why people aren't joining. I'm telling you the answer! I want a healthy debate on this
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covimp28: Some people have families and jobs - put yourself forward to admin and you can do a speech at the next demo, or go on youtube reading the next statement - all unmasked obviously. See how you get on.
In answer to why people are not joining - 10,000 + in less than 12 months is a good start.
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No offence mate, but if you don't like it, then don't bother staying. We are not going to change because you want us to. You come to a demo and don't cover your face. You get pictured in the paper and then possibly warned by your workplace.
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If my memory serves me right, the Stoke speakers, the soldier and the Indian lad, were not wearing masks.

So there are some who are prepared to show thier faces in public.
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Charles i fully agree. But the videos that come out from the leadership are disturbing for people who dont want violence unless needed!!!! So why would they join??? you know people as well as i do and everyone else on this forum , if they wasn't ignorant they would be there, so how to change the ignorance???? standing in front of a camcorder with a mask on just isn't the way!
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Feb 24 2010, 12:36 AM
You get pictured in the paper and then possible warned by your workplace.
That's what happened to me and I ended up losing my job over it.
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Feb 24 2010, 12:35 AM
How can you say I'm against militant Islam while dressed in militant clothes and mask ???????? This is why people aren't joining. I'm telling you the answer! I want a healthy debate on this
An EDL hoody or polo top is hardly militant dress now is it? And if you want to do the video statements showing your face to the weirdos on the far left or militant islamists then crack on.
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If my memory serves me right, the Stoke speakers, the soldier and the Indian lad, were not wearing masks.

So there are some who are prepared to show thier faces in public.

and that wasn't a publicity stunt??? This is serious s**t
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How can you seriously say we arn't growing !! 9 months and nearly 15,000 members. And are you offering to be the new face of the EDL then ???
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Feb 24 2010, 12:35 AM
How can you say I'm against militant Islam while dressed in militant clothes and mask ???????? This is why people aren't joining. I'm telling you the answer! I want a healthy debate on this
Hi mate, quite a few people who have been here awhile and get a little bit jaded, don't take it as criticism and keep up your enthusiasm.
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Like I replyed to you on the fb group and as MJ's just said get in touch with the leadership tell em that any future statement/video etc you'll be prepared to do it,in a suit like what you got on in profile pic on fb,if that gets more "mainstream" people on board then all goodbut remember mate the press will dig you out,the lefty twats will get your address n more than likely pass it around n the muslim nutjobs will def come looking for ya,if you dont mind all that n your willing to put yourself in that predicament then all good,but you'll prob find that the same people that wont join cos of some so called image problem still wont join n go on demo's as they'd find a next excuse not to do anything.
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I obviously can't reply to everyone as i can't even get chance to read all replies.

MJ99 i am very prepared for my face to be plastered everywhere as i have no kids, no wife so i dont have anything to lose..... what pisses me off is saying no surrender behind masks as that is not getting the main stream to join (although many agree). So as the question stated , is it a better way to go without masks and acctually get it out there to the public without looking like nazis???? surely the numbers and the cause is more important than dirty UAF
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tommy rob has got a lot of guts to do what he does,but why the hell shuold he put his wife and children in harms way by showing his face,not the sort of thing we want happening to people who are just standing up for their rights
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People are joining, this group has grown more than the leaders could have envisaged when they first set out

just a few months ago. Decent ordinary people do join, I'm one for a start.

The leaders have no choice other than to cover their faces because the media and others label them nazi etc.

There isn't a much more loathsome name to label a group than that. The media like labels and the "good guys" label was already taken,

by Labour's lackeys, the UAF. The media are never going to give any group that isn't state sponsored, their blessing. They already have

peoples' heroes like Chery Cole, Simon Cowell etc. but home grown bogey men have been thin on the ground since Maggie neutered the unions.

People aren't stupid, from what I have seen on the net the EDL are regarded quite well by the British public.

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Feb 24 2010, 12:35 AM
covimp28: Some people have families and jobs
covimp28, this is a biggy, I work for myself, but two years ago I worked in a large blue chip company. If I'd been seen at an EDL demo (if they existed then) on TV, then I'd have received a quiet word/warning from my general manager. If I'd been seen again or found out that I'd carried on going to demos, then I'd have been either sacked or micro-managed until life was so unpleasant that I would have left. When people have mortgages etc. to pay, they can't afford to lose their jobs.
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NBLTFC.. So basically your all here for the cause as long as it doesn't get messy????? f**k that. Whatever you believe in, this is our land and i won't be told to hide my face for no-one . Simple. But i will also not stand up for a group that continues to shy away from the main stream by using masks. I've never believed anyone who couldn't look me in the eyes, so why should they?
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Feb 24 2010, 12:47 AM
I obviously can't reply to everyone as i can't even get chance to read all replies.

MJ99 i am very prepared for my face to be plastered everywhere as i have no kids, no wife so i dont have anything to lose..... what pisses me off is saying no surrender behind masks as that is not getting the main stream to join (although many agree). So as the question stated , is it a better way to go without masks and acctually get it out there to the public without looking like nazis???? surely the numbers and the cause is more important than dirty UAF
You said it above mate - you have no wife and no kids. A lot of people do. What is the point of fighting these nutjobs for our kids future - if we are going to put our kids in danger straight away? For your info - and others actually - I don`t wear a mask at a demo. I have been on camera at demos, like many others. Now if I was doing a speech directly in front of a camera - I would wear a mask.
I am not bothered about myself - but I am bothered about my family. One day mate, you will have kids and maybe your outlook will be different.
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Right , your all having it , which is good, There's just been 2 points about employment, WE ARE TALING ABOUT MILITANT ISLAM TAKING OVER THE RIGHT OF YOUR KIDS, GRANDKIDS AND GREAT GRANDKIDS . SO WHATS MORE IMPORTANT????????? YOUR JOB????? Sorry for capitals , I'm not having a dig. I'm trying to move it forward a bit. Where are the numbers going to come from????? Someone tell me please
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You have to remember that EDL is still only a young pup, and difficult obstacles will have to be overcome one at a time. By the end of the year I'm sure there will be at least 15 to 20,000 members strong



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The way forward for this group is without masks otherwise the support will never be there. It's not hard to see, and i aint arguing with anyone, I'm saying what people say to me. So as a group we sort it out. I HOPE
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20,000 members means f**k all. Theres more in the BNP ffs.
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Feb 24 2010, 12:56 AM
Right , your all having it , which is good, There's just been 2 points about employment, WE ARE TALING ABOUT MILITANT ISLAM TAKING OVER THE RIGHT OF YOUR KIDS, GRANDKIDS AND GREAT GRANDKIDS . SO WHATS MORE IMPORTANT????????? YOUR JOB????? Sorry for capitals , I'm not having a dig. I'm trying to move it forward a bit. Where are the numbers going to come from????? Someone tell me please
covimp28, may I ask how old you are?
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Feb 24 2010, 12:15 AM
How are we going to achieve our objects when we are perceived as racist hooligans????? The whole point of demonstration is making people understand and join. I know this wont go down well but i have to say it, as i think we're doing ourselves an indignity by continuously having masks on and making amateur videos!!! The main stream of the public (who agree with the ideals) will not join a group that is being run like this. Is it not the way forward to have the masks and excessive drinking at marches ( which any likely new member would look at first on you tube ) , hence the reason we're not getting the support we should be. I've already explained my reasons for starting this debate. It is not a dig at the leadership, it is a start to a hopeful continuation of the ideals. BUT as said this needs to be debated and I'm ready for what any of you have to say!!!!!!! Are we nazis or are we fair people???? however pissed off you maybe with this , lets discuss it !!!!
AROUND 10500 MEMBERS MATE. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE A H&C SEMI AUTO STUFFED IN YOUR MOTHER FACE. LIKE IT HAPPENED ON SATURDAY MATE. EVER HAD A GUN STUFFED IN YOU FACE. I HAVE. IT AIN'T NICE. PERIOD.
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\Judging by the 28 i would imagine I'm 28
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Feb 24 2010, 12:53 AM
NBLTFC.. So basically your all here for the cause as long as it doesn't get messy????? f**k that. Whatever you believe in, this is our land and i won't be told to hide my face for no-one . Simple. But i will also not stand up for a group that continues to shy away from the main stream by using masks. I've never believed anyone who couldn't look me in the eyes, so why should they?
`as long as it doesn`t get messy`??? Are you being serious? Do you know what has been going on over the last 9 months? What people on here have put up with?

This isn`t a dig mate - but chill out - have a browse over the forum and see what people have been doing for the last 9 months. Then come back and people on here maybe a bit more accomodating.
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Feb 24 2010, 12:15 AM
How are we going to achieve our objects when we are perceived as racist hooligans????? The whole point of demonstration is making people understand and join. I know this wont go down well but i have to say it, as i think we're doing ourselves an indignity by continuously having masks on and making amateur videos!!! The main stream of the public (who agree with the ideals) will not join a group that is being run like this. Is it not the way forward to have the masks and excessive drinking at marches ( which any likely new member would look at first on you tube ) , hence the reason we're not getting the support we should be. I've already explained my reasons for starting this debate. It is not a dig at the leadership, it is a start to a hopeful continuation of the ideals. BUT as said this needs to be debated and I'm ready for what any of you have to say!!!!!!! Are we nazis or are we fair people???? however pissed off you maybe with this , lets discuss it !!!!
AROUND 10500 MEMBERS MATE. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE A H&C SEMI AUTO STUFFED IN YOUR MOTHER FACE. LIKE IT HAPPENED ON SATURDAY MATE. EVER HAD A GUN STUFFED IN YOU FACE. I HAVE. IT AIN'T NICE. PERIOD.
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What was all that about then mate?
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How are we going to achieve our objects when we are perceived as racist hooligans????? The whole point of demonstration is making people understand and join. I know this wont go down well but i have to say it, as i think we're doing ourselves an indignity by continuously having masks on and making amateur videos!!! The main stream of the public (who agree with the ideals) will not join a group that is being run like this. Is it not the way forward to have the masks and excessive drinking at marches ( which any likely new member would look at first on you tube ) , hence the reason we're not getting the support we should be. I've already explained my reasons for starting this debate. It is not a dig at the leadership, it is a start to a hopeful continuation of the ideals. BUT as said this needs to be debated and I'm ready for what any of you have to say!!!!!!! Are we nazis or are we fair people???? however pissed off you maybe with this , lets discuss it !!!!
AROUND 10500 MEMBERS MATE. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE A H&C SEMI AUTO STUFFED IN YOUR MOTHER FACE. LIKE IT HAPPENED ON SATURDAY MATE. EVER HAD A GUN STUFFED IN YOU FACE. I HAVE. IT AIN'T NICE. PERIOD.
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It doesn't matter what I've had put in my face, this is about getting numbers up and challanging the boundaries not f**king egos for me
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It's not until the EDL get invitations to sit on the panel of the likes of question time that EDL will get the notoriety that we hope for, until that time the group will continue to grow organically based on hearsay and the passion of the members to recruit and canvass.


Will removing the masks make a difference today? NO, but in the future a year from now, YES for sure.
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Feb 24 2010, 12:53 AM
NBLTFC.. So basically your all here for the cause as long as it doesn't get messy????? f**k that. Whatever you believe in, this is our land and i won't be told to hide my face for no-one . Simple. But i will also not stand up for a group that continues to shy away from the main stream by using masks. I've never believed anyone who couldn't look me in the eyes, so why should they?
Mate Ive been on this since the start in Luton,my face is on the vids of the original Luton(upl) vid on youtube,I live in amongst the muslim area so dont talk about me only being here as long as it dont get messy,I have to live amonst them n believe mate round these ways theyd burn ya fuking house down,so if I was to continue to put my face out there so to speak I would be acting irresponsibly as I dont want my wife n I(and the dog) getting a pasting everyday or worse.
It maybe alright wherever you live but in this town it aint hard to be found n I aint some big hard lunatic that dont mind getting in mass brawls everyday of my life.
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20,000 members means f**k all. Theres more in the BNP ffs.
Well, 15-20,000 is a bloody good start mate. Just how quick do you think an organization grows?
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Steve Infidel , was my attendance in Nottingham and Stoke insignificant then??? I don't give a fucj if people are accomodating , my point is valid and you all know it... Shall i bother asking again???? How do we get the numbers up? Look at any group in history that has rebelled. Name 1 that did it with 15.000, and i know it's only a year old BUT everyone i speak to isn't interested because of the reasons above!!!!! How do we get round it?????
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\Judging by the 28 i would imagine I'm 28
Less of the sarcasm please, what will you do when you're 29, change your user name? I only asked because you seem to have a very simplistic view on life, perhaps when you've faced a few life changing situations you might not see everything as so black and white. Might I suggest that you don't always jump in at the deep end first thing and paddle around the shallow end until you find your feet.
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You come across a tad impetuous for your age. Settle in and enjoy the surroundings, it might be an idea to refrain from posting until you have a better persective of this forum.

BTW Welcome to the forum.
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It doesn't matter what I've had put in my face, this is about getting numbers up and challanging the boundaries not f**king egos for me
I can see that I am going to fall out with you boy. You do not realise the seriousness of the situation. This ain't playing. This is life and death. 24/7.


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Feb 24 2010, 01:07 AM
Steve Infidel , was my attendance in Nottingham and Stoke insignificant then??? I don't give a fucj if people are accomodating , my point is valid and you all know it... Shall i bother asking again???? How do we get the numbers up? Look at any group in history that has rebelled. Name 1 that did it with 15.000, and i know it's only a year old BUT everyone i speak to isn't interested because of the reasons above!!!!! How do we get round it?????
We are already getting the numbers up fine. But we also lose a few along the way as people come on here and in their first few posts they want to change the way we do things and don`t ` give a fcuk if we are accomodating`.

The choice is yours mate.
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NBLTFC. I agree mate BUT how can you expect people to join when they here stories like that, I have no interest in saying where i live or the struggle i have with OB. This is meant to be about numbers, i said the numbers would grow if we lose the masks and I've been shot down from all sides BUT where does it go from here?
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NBLTFC. I agree mate BUT how can you expect people to join when they here stories like that, I have no interest in saying where i live or the struggle i have with OB. This is meant to be about numbers, i said the numbers would grow if we lose the masks and I've been shot down from all sides BUT where does it go from here?
Its not what you are saying, its the way you are comin across.
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Covimp28,once you have put forward peoples fears of security and very possible revenge attacks by those who try and silence us as your answer to your colleagues.what will be there next questions that will need to be answered. Tell them to seek out all they need from here.get them on a demo with you.if they are concerned ,they may need to have a scarf,or other to partially cover there face just incase.
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@templar.... Just because we disagree dont make us enemies
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Steve Infidel , was my attendance in Nottingham and Stoke insignificant then??? I don't give a fucj if people are accomodating , my point is valid and you all know it... Shall i bother asking again???? How do we get the numbers up? Look at any group in history that has rebelled. Name 1 that did it with 15.000, and i know it's only a year old BUT everyone i speak to isn't interested because of the reasons above!!!!! How do we get round it?????
To me it looks like to keep their faces covered up is the only option for now through fear of reprisals. It's all the bad press that the EDL are getting that is fueling the debate to keep their faces covered up. Once most of the trouble makers have been sorted which is in my opinion the first priority, then there is a better chance of people wanting to show their faces because for now the image is not a good one for the EDL and alot of people want to come out so to speak only when the EDL has got a better image for itself.

Once the trouble makers are sorted I think you will find that the face coverings will start to be lowered.
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