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recall the troops
Topic Started: Feb 22 2010, 12:58 AM (153 Views)
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Some of you may think this is a bit extrem but i think after the events of the weekend it is time now for a massive shout that the troops are bought back to the uk to defend their people im sorry but they are no longer defending us they are defending a goverment that this weekend have took away our freedom of movment and speach this is the real deal so i ask of any of our military guys to spread the word asap we have supported our guy/girls in the militery a 100% and allways will do but we now need them home to support us :(
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our son is a serving soldier he say's he wants to finish the job they started and most of his mates think the same
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we aint going nowhere, well not until the job is done. That will take a while yet i must add.

what good will bringing the troops home do? and who is in charge of them? the labliar govt that is who! so if troops were sent back to UK what do you think may happen?

the govt declare martial law on the streets of UK? and EDL members being kettled by UK troops when they demo...i will say this, UK troops will not stand there and take the same amount of abuse as UK police....

if you fancy your chances, better get to the gym fella!
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I was thinking more on the lines that they may defend us ?
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well i know the majority agree with us
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mate all UK troops have sworn an oath of allegiance!
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Most of the soldiers want to fight out there, why train for a job and then never actually do the job?
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jayfer72
Feb 22 2010, 01:09 AM
we aint going nowhere, well not until the job is done. That will take a while yet i must add.

what good will bringing the troops home do? and who is in charge of them? the labliar govt that is who! so if troops were sent back to UK what do you think may happen?

the govt declare martial law on the streets of UK? and EDL members being kettled by UK troops when they demo...i will say this, UK troops will not stand there and take the same amount of abuse as UK police....

if you fancy your chances, better get to the gym fella!
The English Soldier's Oath of Allegiance


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the English army oath of allegiance,

the English soldier swears loyalty only to the Queen but not to the Constitution

As a matter of course, the British soldier, for all offences which are not mere offences against discipline, is tried by the ordinary courts, the county courts, petty sessions, quarter sessions[18] or assize courts, and in all conflicts with other citizens he is treated simply as a citizen.

But that is not all. In England every citizen, whether an official, a soldier or whatever he is, is responsible before the law for all his actions and cannot plead as an excuse that the action in question was ordered by his superior. For example, a revolt occurs. Troops are called in. Legal demands to disperse are or are not issued. The people do not disperse. A civilian official (always a justice of the peace or an urban elected official) gives permission for the army to intervene, or does not do so. The soldiers open fire, there are deaths. The findings of an inquest on those killed come before a coroner's jury which establishes the facts in each case. If the jury decides that the intervention of the armed forces was not justified by the circumstances, it brings in a verdict of premeditated murder against all the participants, including therefore the civilian official who gave permission for the intervention of the troops, the officer who gave the order to fire, and all the soldiers who actually opened fire.

If the civilian official did not give permission for intervention, the consequence is merely that he does not figure in the verdict. Matters remain unaltered as far as the officers and soldiers are concerned.

This verdict of premeditated murder is a formal indictment, on the basis of which criminal proceedings are instituted before the regular courts with their juries.

The English soldier, therefore, is by no means regarded by the law as a machine that has no will of its own and must obey without argument any order given it, but as a "free agent", a man possessing free will, who at all times must know what he is doing and who bears responsibility for all his actions. English judges would give a stern reply to an accused soldier if he defended himself by saying that he had been ordered to fire and that he had had to "obey orders"!

itchy trigger finger on british soil ?
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BRING OUR TROOPS HOME

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jayfer72
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hard to bear
Feb 22 2010, 02:27 AM
jayfer72
Feb 22 2010, 01:09 AM
we aint going nowhere, well not until the job is done. That will take a while yet i must add.

what good will bringing the troops home do? and who is in charge of them? the labliar govt that is who! so if troops were sent back to UK what do you think may happen?

the govt declare martial law on the streets of UK? and EDL members being kettled by UK troops when they demo...i will say this, UK troops will not stand there and take the same amount of abuse as UK police....

if you fancy your chances, better get to the gym fella!
The English Soldier's Oath of Allegiance


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the English army oath of allegiance,

the English soldier swears loyalty only to the Queen but not to the Constitution

As a matter of course, the British soldier, for all offences which are not mere offences against discipline, is tried by the ordinary courts, the county courts, petty sessions, quarter sessions[18] or assize courts, and in all conflicts with other citizens he is treated simply as a citizen.

But that is not all. In England every citizen, whether an official, a soldier or whatever he is, is responsible before the law for all his actions and cannot plead as an excuse that the action in question was ordered by his superior. For example, a revolt occurs. Troops are called in. Legal demands to disperse are or are not issued. The people do not disperse. A civilian official (always a justice of the peace or an urban elected official) gives permission for the army to intervene, or does not do so. The soldiers open fire, there are deaths. The findings of an inquest on those killed come before a coroner's jury which establishes the facts in each case. If the jury decides that the intervention of the armed forces was not justified by the circumstances, it brings in a verdict of premeditated murder against all the participants, including therefore the civilian official who gave permission for the intervention of the troops, the officer who gave the order to fire, and all the soldiers who actually opened fire.

If the civilian official did not give permission for intervention, the consequence is merely that he does not figure in the verdict. Matters remain unaltered as far as the officers and soldiers are concerned.

This verdict of premeditated murder is a formal indictment, on the basis of which criminal proceedings are instituted before the regular courts with their juries.

The English soldier, therefore, is by no means regarded by the law as a machine that has no will of its own and must obey without argument any order given it, but as a "free agent", a man possessing free will, who at all times must know what he is doing and who bears responsibility for all his actions. English judges would give a stern reply to an accused soldier if he defended himself by saying that he had been ordered to fire and that he had had to "obey orders"!

itchy trigger finger on british soil ?
WRONG!!! this is the oath of allegiance for a british soldier, i cannot remember the last time this country had an english army!

i.........................swear by almighty god that i will be faithfull and bear true allegiance to her majesty queen elizabeth the second,her heirs and successors and that i will as in my duty bound honestly and faithfully defend her majesty her heirs and successors in person crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of her majesty her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers above me


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Feb 22 2010, 02:37 AM
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME

ok give me some really good reasons then why you want the troops out of afghanistan!!

but before you post a crappy lefty reply chew on these facts first.

1. afghanistan is the worlds largest producer of poppies, which are turned into opium....which them find there way onto the streets of the UK. the taliban are harvesting the poppies and using the revenue to fund there war on UK troops.

2. afghanistan borders pakistan, pakistan has nuclear weapons, what do you think would happen if the taliban et al got hold of nukes? coalition troops are in afghanistan not just looking for mr bin lid they are there to destroy the poppy fields and prevent those nukes falling into the wrong hands by fighting the taliban and keeping those nutters away from pakistans nukes....

3. the war in afghanistan has also brought some amazing new advances in british military kit and equipment and has also given very young soldiers vital experience in command and tactics...

4. it has also raised the profile of the ordinary british soldier,and brought the war on terror to your tv screens, so that mr and mrs joe public can see with there own eyes what we do when we are away and can understand the hardships,comraderie and true raw courage with some good old black humour.maybe thats why the army is almost fully manned at this time...how many 18/19yr olds do you know with more confirmed kills than you can sink pints over a weekend?

yes it has cost this country dearly in many young soldiers lives being lost and making the final journey home through WB. however when a young man chooses to join he is fully aware of what he / she is getting into and likely to face.

i await your response...or are you far too busy playing silly f**king games on a console, war is not a game..!
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I know what the oath is

the English soldier swears loyalty only to the Queen but not to the Constitution

on british soil regardless of oath an english soldier is a citizen with a gun regardless of wether his commanding officer orders them to take action or not, and will always be accountable and held accountable for their actions
therfore the army may as well have their cocks in their hands should britian kick off, unless the u.n are brought in in which case they can fire and kill british citizens in any situation they feel is a threat and not be prosecuted under british law,
in conclusion if thise movement grows much larger and gets out of hand our troops will not be coming back, instead we will be thrown to the u.n peacekeepers sorry i mean mercenaries or was it peacekeepers ...same thing

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The troops shouldn't be bought home. In my opinion whilst the soldiers are other there so are a large number of potential terrorists/extremists instead of been over here.

Plus therr are the good points Jayfer made too.

What needs doing is the soldiers actually been given the support they deserve from the government. Out of anything that should have their budget cut the Armed Forces should be last on the list.

And of course the government could help matters by not releasing every freaking terrorist they can...
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Some kind of order in Afghanistan is possible but its going to take a long time.I visited,or rather traveled through,the country in the seventies and it was a reasonably safe place in those days.The locals were very hospitable and I was never threatened once.Its never going to be like a European country but it can certainly be turned into a place that is fit for people to live in.
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ujac
Feb 22 2010, 01:02 AM
our son is a serving soldier he say's he wants to finish the job they started and most of his mates think the same
My brother is serving in the Royal Anglian regiment, he says exactly the same, what would be the point in retreating now? We would be no better off, neither would their people, corruption would spread and re-claim it's land within weeks and we would have gone out there for nothing.

Fidelis Miles Militis Pro Terra - A faithful soldier on behalf of my country.

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exactly chester all those lads would have died for nothing
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they are.... but thats just a conspiracy theory
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ujac
Feb 22 2010, 01:02 AM
our son is a serving soldier he say's he wants to finish the job they started and most of his mates think the same
I fear they will be there along time then.

Fair play for having him having the courage to do so. He is a far better man than I.

I hope that your son and his mates will be back home soon. Maybe in time to watch England win the world cup!!! Heres hoping.
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thanks lord nelson ;)
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Tell me if im wrong but didn't that conservative bloke on question time say we would be needed out there for possibly up to 30 years?
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it's going to be a long deployment
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It's certainly not going to be a walk in the park, I think that after a few more years things will get a bit easier but we will have to help them re-build a whole establishment.
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The Afghan conflict, this is mostly about money. The opium/heroin production has increased massively once the ISAF moved in. It is something like 95% of opium now comes from Afgan, whereas before it was much lower. Opium is a great money earner, the mafia like it too, creates so many jobs, great wealth.
The real mugs are the users, everyone else wins.

But give this some thought, a military committed to the Queen and not the consitiution. The Queen has given England to the EU. Only our consititution can save us. Bit of a shot in the foot.
Regardless, I wish every member of our armed services a safe return and proper help and support to those that carry a reminder.
My cows are a reminder of the destruction by the UK Govt/DEFRA of our long standing dairy farming industry.
So please all members, think before you reply, if you only have silly schoolboy answers, leave it to the others who can answer in a civil way. (copied from Admin Ali) - let's try and put brains back into Britain.
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