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EDL leadership computers taken.; Consequences.....
Topic Started: Feb 22 2010, 12:39 AM (464 Views)
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So what info are Plod and thereby the "system" privy to now.....

....all access all areas I would say.
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hmmm all our emails maybe i dont know, unless they are stored on external servers.
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Feb 22 2010, 12:41 AM
hmmm all our emails maybe i dont know, unless they are stored on external servers.
All e-mails will be stored on the server. It will just be personal e-mail addys that are stored on software such as Outlook or Thunderbird if used!
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They won't find anything they didn't know about already. The raid is about intimidation, not information gathering.
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Feb 22 2010, 12:47 AM
They won't find anything they didn't know about already. The raid is about intimidation, not information gathering.
Agreed! They are trying to scare people from the top down! However they may on the other hand have just opened a hornets nest!
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They track all e.mails of anybody they deem suspicious via GCHQ. If the power's to be want any information on any individial they can then go to that individial's internet server and extract e.mail addresses and sites visited going back 12 months. Phone texts 4 months. So don't worry about deleting they can get the information anyway. Deleted information can also be recovered from your hardrive. Even in cases were there has been a fire. The hardrive in some cases can still be removed and the information extracted.

:O :blink: :'( ^o) :unsure:
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Feb 22 2010, 12:47 AM
They won't find anything they didn't know about already. The raid is about intimidation, not information gathering.
Totally agree mate, we are not scared though!
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Feb 22 2010, 12:58 AM
rudyard
Feb 22 2010, 12:47 AM
They won't find anything they didn't know about already. The raid is about intimidation, not information gathering.
Totally agree mate, we are not scared though!
He said that officer, not me! :P
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Feb 22 2010, 12:58 AM
They track all e.mails of anybody they deem suspicious via GCHQ. If the power's to be want any information on any individial they can then go to that individial's internet server and extract e.mail addresses and sites visited going back 12 months. Phone texts 4 months. So don't worry about deleting they can get the information anyway. Deleted information can also be recovered from your hardrive. Even in cases were there has been a fire. The hardrive in some cases can still be removed and the information extracted.

:O :blink: :'( ^o) :unsure:
i fully concur my friend! however you really do need to be "high" risk for that to happen!!

also i have a feeling that because of the rapid growth of the EDL and the forthcoming general election, old one eye brown is getting very twitchy! something about a police state!!
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Feb 22 2010, 12:58 AM
They track all e.mails of anybody they deem suspicious via GCHQ. If the power's to be want any information on any individial they can then go to that individial's internet server and extract e.mail addresses and sites visited going back 12 months. Phone texts 4 months. So don't worry about deleting they can get the information anyway. Deleted information can also be recovered from your hardrive. Even in cases were there has been a fire. The hardrive in some cases can still be removed and the information extracted.

:O :blink: :'( ^o) :unsure:
microwave your hard drive :P
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Feb 22 2010, 12:58 AM
Deleted information can also be recovered from your hardrive. Even in cases were there has been a fire. The hardrive in some cases can still be removed and the information extracted.
not if you do a full system restore though. trouble is it completely wipes your hard drive of every single thing. programs, O.S, drivers, Everything! its a pain in the arse, but i had to do it cos my pc was that f**ked i had no other option.

to do it keep hitting F10 or F11 on boot up then follow the instructions. and make sure you save EVERYTHING you want on an external harddirve first.
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Some bad guys circumvented gchq though with their emails quite easily.

They didn't send them, just left them in the drafts section.
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I will just carry on regardless. If they take this PC I will just buy another when I get out.

:) :) :) B-)
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...if Spooks is anything to go by it'll be EVERYTHING within 24 hours, total knowledge about each and every member....

.....the strange thing is they will have most of this knowledge about us anyway. The Dutch guys details will be sent to Holland for disection. Then all this detail will be entered on a transEurope "rightwing menace" database and join the many millions of logically minded people from throughout Europe already on it.

It will eventually become a threesided but two against one war of Lib/PC ideologues and Islam against the normal folk of Europe whose families go back several generations and just want to raise their children in safety with hope for the future....and freedom.

Trouble is .....talk don't stop mobilised armies, and the Islamic invasion is just that, they are actually beginning to occupy our lands...

....so if it continues ultimately many people will have to pay the ultimate price.
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I don't know whose computers the OB have but Joe Cardiff has disappeared off all the FB groups :ermm:
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mmmm.....kinda makes you wonder who posted that there will be a live broadcast tonight...doesn't it ?
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its not the s**t they find its the s**t they make up that worries me :unsure:
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Anumber1
Feb 22 2010, 01:57 AM
mmmm.....kinda makes you wonder who posted that there will be a live broadcast tonight...doesn't it ?
Why would the Police lie about that?
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Feb 22 2010, 02:15 AM
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Feb 22 2010, 01:57 AM
mmmm.....kinda makes you wonder who posted that there will be a live broadcast tonight...doesn't it ?
Why would the Police lie about that?
C'mon wouldn't you ?

Post it up there just for a giggle, once you were able to manipulate the site ! No harm done really and a classic piss take that comes readily to the English mind.
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Feb 22 2010, 02:24 AM
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Feb 22 2010, 02:15 AM

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C'mon wouldn't you ?

Post it up there just for a giggle, once you were able to manipulate the site ! No harm done really and a classic piss take that comes readily to the English mind.
Lol, not sure about that mate, theve got too many islamic militants to deport to be busy with practical jokes... :ermm:
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Feb 22 2010, 12:58 AM
If the power's to be want any information on any individial they can then go to that individial's internet server and extract e.mail addresses and sites visited going back 12 months.
Oh s**t my secrets out. Redtube, youporn, Youjizz, donkeysex, ladyboys, bigbootymommas, and shame upon shame (deep breath), WestHamUnited.com. I will never live it down.
Take me away officer its a fair cop.
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Feb 22 2010, 12:22 PM
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Feb 22 2010, 12:58 AM
If the power's to be want any information on any individial they can then go to that individial's internet server and extract e.mail addresses and sites visited going back 12 months.
Oh s**t my secrets out. Redtube, youporn, Youjizz, donkeysex, ladyboys, bigbootymommas, and shame upon shame (deep breath), WestHamUnited.com. I will never live it down.
Take me away officer its a fair cop.
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Feb 22 2010, 12:39 AM
So what info are Plod and thereby the "system" privy to now.....

....all access all areas I would say.
Not much more than they already had.What you must understand the government will have the best "geeks" from cyber world on their books.If its been online they will have it,simple as.
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Yawn...Still waiting for a knock on the door....
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Feb 22 2010, 01:04 AM
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Feb 22 2010, 12:58 AM
Deleted information can also be recovered from your hardrive. Even in cases were there has been a fire. The hardrive in some cases can still be removed and the information extracted.
not if you do a full system restore though. trouble is it completely wipes your hard drive of every single thing. programs, O.S, drivers, Everything! its a pain in the arse, but i had to do it cos my pc was that f**ked i had no other option.

You can still recover data from formatted hard drives, especially if it is located in a sector that the OS hasn't been loaded. You need bleaching software that writes/wipes to every sector of the hard drive about seven times over to be fairly safe.

What happened at the weekend is the very reason why I voted no to the EDL membership, it would be useful but it is too much of a risk.
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edl is not a banned organisation , so mr plod and likes, go bully your granparents see how you like it, you dont scare me , or frighten me, i just pity you and your sort, may justice in this world or next be upon you, lets hope your civil rights one day is taken away, or that of your children/granchildren, you helped it occur ,when the islamic fanatics kill inocent people and police, i hope you reflect on what we are about
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I doubt if they will find anything on Tommy's computer.More likely they will charge him with piracy for downloading a Harry Potter torrent for his kids.
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The problem i see here is that the police can use internet info to catch 'right-wing extremists' and terrorists (apparently), but couldn't catch a paedo if he was abusing a kid in front of them. Surely stealing the EDL leaderships computer is just a terror tactic by the old bill. Surely catching people intent on blowing up the London underground or abusing our kids is more important than bullying us. But having said that, Gordon Brown is in trouble for being a bully, so I suppose it starts at the top.

I, for one, will not be intimidated. If they point a gun in my kids faces they'll probably take the gun off the copper and wrap it round his head. Then go out and play tig or sommat.
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Feb 23 2010, 01:20 PM
The problem i see here is that the police can use internet info to catch 'right-wing extremists' and terrorists (apparently), but couldn't catch a paedo if he was abusing a kid in front of them. Surely stealing the EDL leaderships computer is just a terror tactic by the old bill. Surely catching people intent on blowing up the London underground or abusing our kids is more important than bullying us. But having said that, Gordon Brown is in trouble for being a bully, so I suppose it starts at the top.

I, for one, will not be intimidated. If they point a gun in my kids faces they'll probably take the gun off the copper and wrap it round his head. Then go out and play tig or sommat.
If there can be any positives drawn from this (very difficult I know) perhaps a few accusations might get finally cleared up.

As we all know there are a lot of rumour mills surrounding the organisation of the EDL, not least the suggestions that there are Irish paramilitary links involved.

Seizing the leaderships computers for any evidence of these links (which there won't be) might at least put paid to all the ridiculous theories being put about.

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No other doors will go yet, they're after information and the Bradford 'threat' of a demo gave them the excuse. They don't like not knowing what is going on, because the group is football linked they will be struggling for info as the football 'criminals' are traditionally tight-knit, the authorities hate that and they will never get their heads round people not gaining financially from something and still keeping loyal and tight lipped.
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Feb 23 2010, 03:53 PM
No other doors will go yet, they're after information and the Bradford 'threat' of a demo gave them the excuse. They don't like not knowing what is going on, because the group is football linked they will be struggling for info as the football 'criminals' are traditionally tight-knit, the authorities hate that and they will never get their heads round people not gaining financially from something and still keeping loyal and tight lipped.



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As we all know there are a lot of rumour mills surrounding the organisation of the EDL, not least the suggestions that there are Irish paramilitary links involved.

Seizing the leaderships computers for any evidence of these links (which there won't be) might at least put paid to all the ridiculous theories being put about.




M8 the paramilitary boys from NI are loyalist, so deemed by the security forces as safe or on our side (uvf, lvf, uda etc). I spent 9 years on the streets during the troubles and every area i went to, i got an Int Brief from the int cell on the known local terrorists, all of them where republican (ira, pira, rira, kira, inla etc). So i would not worry bout links to loyalist paramilitarys.
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Feb 23 2010, 04:19 PM
As we all know there are a lot of rumour mills surrounding the organisation of the EDL, not least the suggestions that there are Irish paramilitary links involved.

Seizing the leaderships computers for any evidence of these links (which there won't be) might at least put paid to all the ridiculous theories being put about.




M8 the paramilitary boys from NI are loyalist, so deemed by the security forces as safe or on our side (uvf, lvf, uda etc). I spent 9 years on the streets during the troubles and every area i went to, i got an Int Brief from the int cell on the known local terrorists, all of them where republican (ira, pira, rira, kira, inla etc). So i would not worry bout links to loyalist paramilitarys.
I know the NI guys are loyalist, but my point was that rumours of any from of an paramilitary's involvement with a newly formed organisation such as the EDL is going to attract the security services interest.
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Feb 23 2010, 04:43 PM
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Feb 23 2010, 04:19 PM
As we all know there are a lot of rumour mills surrounding the organisation of the EDL, not least the suggestions that there are Irish paramilitary links involved.

Seizing the leaderships computers for any evidence of these links (which there won't be) might at least put paid to all the ridiculous theories being put about.




M8 the paramilitary boys from NI are loyalist, so deemed by the security forces as safe or on our side (uvf, lvf, uda etc). I spent 9 years on the streets during the troubles and every area i went to, i got an Int Brief from the int cell on the known local terrorists, all of them where republican (ira, pira, rira, kira, inla etc). So i would not worry bout links to loyalist paramilitarys.
I know the NI guys are loyalist, but my point was that rumours of any from of an paramilitary's involvement with a newly formed organisation such as the EDL is going to attract the security services interest.
Its just an excuse to go in mob handed and ignore peoples human rights. Doesn't matter if loyalists had expressed an interest, they would still use them and fabricate links as an excuse to use draconian measures against ordinary people who are simply partiotic
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Feb 23 2010, 11:30 AM
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You can still recover data from formatted hard drives, especially if it is located in a sector that the OS hasn't been loaded. You need bleaching software that writes/wipes to every sector of the hard drive about seven times over to be fairly safe.
oh, i thought it did wipe every thing, anyway it fixed my computer a treat.
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As we all know there are a lot of rumour mills surrounding the organisation of the EDL, not least the suggestions that there are Irish paramilitary links involved.

Seizing the leaderships computers for any evidence of these links (which there won't be) might at least put paid to all the ridiculous theories being put about.




M8 the paramilitary boys from NI are loyalist, so deemed by the security forces as safe or on our side (uvf, lvf, uda etc). I spent 9 years on the streets during the troubles and every area i went to, i got an Int Brief from the int cell on the known local terrorists, all of them where republican (ira, pira, rira, kira, inla etc). So i would not worry bout links to loyalist paramilitarys.
Well boys you can thank our local rag the sunday life for that. every week without fail it prints make believe sensationalist crap about paramilitaries and such like. every week without fail somebody gets hurt or killed for that rag starting rumors and stirring stuff up.

actually im afraid it was them that got me noticing the EDL as a breaking story just after your 1st demo was all about how the "EDL is linking with the UDA" and calling themselves UDL. it was a 3 page story, full of bollox about the racist secterian organisation that is the EDL and how its using the UDA for killings and such.

i googled it and here i am.

Even another member of the UDL when 1st asked about rhymed off all the stuff that that newspaper had said, as for reasons why he shouldnt be near it.
hes been with me in this for months now, eyes fully opned and educated.

let me tell you that it is most certainly a load of bullcrap. and its a pity there's people that sit and believe it all.
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Feb 22 2010, 12:47 AM
They won't find anything they didn't know about already. The raid is about intimidation, not information gathering.
spot on.
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