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Leadership statement
Topic Started: Feb 20 2010, 07:54 PM (487 Views)
nemisis123456
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Official EDL Leadership statement on todays "democratic" travesty in Edinburgh.

Please forward this message to ALL your friends.

Thank you EDL Media team.

CLICK HERE
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f**king hell I am so angry!

Scottish 'Justice' Minister, Kenny MacAskill (SNP), when he said that the "fact that the SDL didn't make it out of Waverley Station is testament to good policing".


No it's a testament to modern day fascism.

I'm going to shut the f**k up now, for I am seething! And may say things I will regret.
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I say we should take it up with the EU Human Rights Court, or whatever its called....see what the reaction would be
Rumours are spreading around, That England, Will die
All the none-believers are spitting in our face, A brutal attack on our way of living,
Only with one major difference, this time, its coming from the inside, From our own people.

WE ARE THE ELITE, WE ARE THE TRUE CAUSE, WE ARE THE HEART OF THE MATTER
WE ARE, ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAUGE,
WE WILL KEEP IT ALIVE, ENGLAND NEVER DIES!

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TAKE IT UP WITH THE HUMAN RIGHTS COURTS
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Dutch
Feb 20 2010, 08:00 PM
f**king hell I am so angry!

Scottish 'Justice' Minister, Kenny MacAskill (SNP), when he said that the "fact that the SDL didn't make it out of Waverley Station is testament to good policing".


No it's a testament to modern day fascism.

I'm going to shut the f**k up now, for I am seething! And may say things I will regret.
winston churchill one said "when facism once again raises its ugly head it will be known as anti-facism"
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f**king disgraceful,iv'e just forwarded it to all my friends
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ujac
Feb 20 2010, 08:07 PM
f**king disgraceful,iv'e just forwarded it to all my friends
The EDL badly need a good legal team on board to know where they stand and how best to approach the business of protests.

An individual is entitled to take a complaint to the ECtHR however, I fear it would be unlikely to get very far with the law standing as it does now.

As I posted yesterday, the Articles of the European Convention on Human Rights that have been incorporated into UK law that deal with the freedom of assembly, freedom of expression etc are all 'qualified' rights not 'absolute' rights. This means that they can be overridden in the public interest ie the prevention of public disorder, public safety etc.
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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

It is sad to see what has become of the military wing (our police force) of NuLabour. Being born in 1965, I grew up respecting the police, they caught the baddies and protected the public, not any more.

We will have to redouble our efforts, this is a minor setback but it should encourage everyone else to work harder and make that effort to attend more demos. Let the Reds/Lefties enjoy their day, for they have won this battle, but we will win the war.
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It's surely gonna be a not guilty plea, so I can think of a good place to go and party on the day of the
Court Hearing. ^o) I will defo make the trip up to Scotland for that one.
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i might stick this on the sdl thread on pie and bovril forum and see what some the lefties say about it
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f**king police state up & running targeting the innocent I see...while criminals walk out of court in broad daylight, great!
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One way of looking at today is that, whether the guys managed to carry out the actual protest or not they still managed to attract the attention of the authorities and raise awareness of the issues the EDL are protesting about.

That has got to be a positive to draw from the efforts they have made.
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Feb 20 2010, 08:20 PM
ujac
Feb 20 2010, 08:07 PM
f**king disgraceful,iv'e just forwarded it to all my friends
The EDL badly need a good legal team on board to know where they stand and how best to approach the business of protests.

An individual is entitled to take a complaint to the ECtHR however, I fear it would be unlikely to get very far with the law standing as it does now.

As I posted yesterday, the Articles of the European Convention on Human Rights that have been incorporated into UK law that deal with the freedom of assembly, freedom of expression etc are all 'qualified' rights not 'absolute' rights. This means that they can be overridden in the public interest ie the prevention of public disorder, public safety etc.
Know what you are saying mate and your right, however the rules apply to police "perception".

Need we remind ourselves of Geert Wilders arrest and immediate deportation on his visit to show the film fitna?

He fought his corner and WON!

Will pm you later as im s**t busy at the mo.
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Unfortunately, we will be forever fighting an uphill battle until we understand the importance of political allegiance. The Labour party have the Police, the Unions, the UAF, and the press on their side to do all their dirty work.

They have the power to manipulate and hood wink this country with their own bulls**t, for their own agendas. From the reports I have seen today just further proves there is no such thing as freedom of speech if you disagree with Labour. This country is in a f**king mess. They have flooded this country with immigrants, some willing to commit mass murder on the Streets' of the capital, and they try and silence those whom question their political motives by denying those people today the right to freedom of expression. Shame on you labour, you cowardly traitors.
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Dutch
Feb 20 2010, 08:00 PM
f**king hell I am so angry!

Scottish 'Justice' Minister, Kenny MacAskill (SNP), when he said that the "fact that the SDL didn't make it out of Waverley Station is testament to good policing".


No it's a testament to modern day fascism.
Pure hypocrisy coming from the man who let the "dying" Lockerbie bomber go home.He didn't give a f**k about the relatives of those who were blown to pieces at 30,000ft and he dosen't give a f**k for the rights of the Scottish people.We all know where his loayalites lie,its to Allah and Muslims.Why dosen't he f**k off and live in the nearest Muslim State where he can experience the beauty of the Sharia.
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This is just not on and needs to be protested. Who the hell do these ob think they are.

Arthur.
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Feb 20 2010, 08:49 PM
This is just not on and needs to be protested. Who the hell do these ob think they are.

Arthur.
The OB and their political masters think they are Judge, Jury and Executioner Arthur.

Unfortunately we live in a communist police state so they will use ANYTHING to try and stop us even if their reasoning is lame at best.
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Feb 20 2010, 08:42 PM
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Feb 20 2010, 08:20 PM

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Know what you are saying mate and your right, however the rules apply to police "perception".

Need we remind ourselves of Geert Wilders arrest and immediate deportation on his visit to show the film fitna?

He fought his corner and WON!

Will pm you later as im s**t busy at the mo.
Easy as it is to blame the ob, we must remember that they are following orders, whether they as individuals agree with the aims of the EDL or not, they have to do as they are commanded or lose their job.

Regarding the 'perceptions' of the authorities, no one can claim that barring Wooton Bassett, the EDL protests have been without some level of disorder, whether caused by the UAF, Muslim youth, OB heavy handedness or whatever. Past experience is the only evidence to base perceptions on, so rightly or wrongly, there is a 'reasonable' expectation of some public disorder, which is all that is needed to justify the kind of actions taken today.

I don't for one second, think the EDL should stop fighting for their rights to protest, but need to play the authorities at their own game and find legal solutions to the obstacles that are being placed in the way of doing so.
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I reckon we need a legal team or a lawyer. The Government have no right.
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Easy as it is to blame the ob, we must remember that they are following orders,


The majority of police in this country have been through a brainwashing process and actually believe in what they are doing.In that respect they are no different to the Nazi guards who pushed Jews into gas chambers.If they were ordered to gas EDL members I am sure they would do it.
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Feb 20 2010, 08:59 PM
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Easy as it is to blame the ob, we must remember that they are following orders, whether they as individuals agree with the aims of the EDL or not, they have to do as they are commanded or lose their job.

Regarding the 'perceptions' of the authorities, no one can claim that barring Wooton Bassett, the EDL protests have been without some level of disorder, whether caused by the UAF, Muslim youth, OB heavy handedness or whatever. Past experience is the only evidence to base perceptions on, so rightly or wrongly, there is a 'reasonable' expectation of some public disorder, which is all that is needed to justify the kind of actions taken today.

I don't for one second, think the EDL should stop fighting for their rights to protest, but need to play the authorities at their own game and find legal solutions to the obstacles that are being placed in the way of doing so.
I think what youv just said is a very reasonable/mature way to look at the situation. On the other hand the police should have made the protest go ahead under there obligations such as at a different time and location to the UAF. Banning it was not the right solution.
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http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2010/02/20/edl-leadership-team-arrested-for-incitement-to-commit-a-breach-of-the-peace-official-statement/
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well done mate we need to get the message out to everyone
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ujac
Feb 20 2010, 09:28 PM
well done mate we need to get the message out to everyone
Trying to get it circulated round the various blogs too.
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Feb 20 2010, 08:45 PM
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Feb 20 2010, 08:00 PM
f**king hell I am so angry!

Scottish 'Justice' Minister, Kenny MacAskill (SNP), when he said that the "fact that the SDL didn't make it out of Waverley Station is testament to good policing".


No it's a testament to modern day fascism.
Pure hypocrisy coming from the man who let the "dying" Lockerbie bomber go home.He didn't give a f**k about the relatives of those who were blown to pieces at 30,000ft and he dosen't give a f**k for the rights of the Scottish people.We all know where his loayalites lie,its to Allah and Muslims.Why dosen't he f**k off and live in the nearest Muslim State where he can experience the beauty of the Sharia.
Youve hit the nail right on the head!
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Feb 20 2010, 09:08 PM
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Feb 20 2010, 08:59 PM

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I think what youv just said is a very reasonable/mature way to look at the situation. On the other hand the police should have made the protest go ahead under there obligations such as at a different time and location to the UAF. Banning it was not the right solution.
I agree and have done some research on ECtHR previous ruling in similar areas.

Article 11 of the ECHR does create a positive right of freedom of assembly which might suggest that IF the EDL have been given lawful permission to hold a protest then arguably, the police should act to protect peaceful, non provocative exercise of the right of assembly by acting against those trying to disrupt the protest.

The European Court has said that the State may infringe freedom of assembly if it does not take positive measures to protect the exercise of the right (Plattform 'Artze fur das Leben v Austria (1991) 13 EHRR 204)

Does anyone know if permission was granted for the demo in Edinburgh today?
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Do you need permission for a static demo?

Could they also try and do them for unlawful assembly .

im sure there was a statement by the O.B that the S.D.L had not seeked permission to protest
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Feb 20 2010, 10:00 PM
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I agree and have done some research on ECtHR previous ruling in similar areas.

Article 11 of the ECHR does create a positive right of freedom of assembly which might suggest that IF the EDL have been given lawful permission to hold a protest then arguably, the police should act to protect peaceful, non provocative exercise of the right of assembly by acting against those trying to disrupt the protest.

The European Court has said that the State may infringe freedom of assembly if it does not take positive measures to protect the exercise of the right (Plattform 'Artze fur das Leben v Austria (1991) 13 EHRR 204)

Does anyone know if permission was granted for the demo in Edinburgh today?
I'm no lawyer, but as far as I know you do not need official permission for a static demo. So the answer to your question is probably no.
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Do you need permission for a static demo?

Make an effort, try reading some of the posts in this thread. Oops, sorry, wrong thread (I answered this in another thread, thought it was this one, my bad). No you don't need permission for a static demo.
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@ Charlie - unlawful assembly is an outdated offence that was abolished by the Public Order Act 1986

Regarding the static protest issue, my thoughts were that if the police had been notified and sanctioned the protest, to then disallow it on the day would add weight to a claim of unfair treatment of the EDL
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I'm no lawyer, but as far as I know you do not need official permission for a static demo. So the answer to your question is probably no.


I think they are using football legislation against the EDL.The tactics of visits before demos and stopping vehicles is a standard way of disrupting the activities of football firms.Its going to be banning orders next.
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EuropeNews now picking up on this outrageous assault on civil liberties in Britain: http://europenews.dk/en/node/30067 Word is getting out to the free world beyond Britain's borders. EDL has people all over the world who sympathise, the latest efforts from the tyrants will backfire. The police do not seem to realise that their power to act derives from the people and not the corrupt megalomaniacs that inhabit Downing Street. It would be interesting to see how many laws New Labour has broken since it attained power. Investigations should be held when they are out of power after the next general election.
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Feb 20 2010, 08:45 PM
Unfortunately, we will be forever fighting an uphill battle until we understand the importance of political allegiance. The Labour party have the Police, the Unions, the UAF, and the press on their side to do all their dirty work.

They have the power to manipulate and hood wink this country with their own bulls**t, for their own agendas. From the reports I have seen today just further proves there is no such thing as freedom of speech if you disagree with Labour. This country is in a f**king mess. They have flooded this country with immigrants, some willing to commit mass murder on the Streets' of the capital, and they try and silence those whom question their political motives by denying those people today the right to freedom of expression. Shame on you labour, you cowardly traitors.
good post.
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Isn't this how the police dealt with football hooligans back in the day. Allowing the UAF to demmonstrate anyway just shows that we are battling against militant Islam, but also 'The Man.' I've posted link to the official statement on BD1life.com, where many people disillusioned with the forum run by T&A tend to congregate. I am going to do the same on The Telegraph and Argus website, if I can, to spread the word of police discrimination against the ordinary people of this nation and the whole filthy conspriracy against EDL, and the common man in general, perpertrated by this government instigated by Harridan Har-person. No surender to the muslim nutters, or 'The Man.'
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We now have this story at Tundra Tabloids: http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2010/02/english-defence-league-arrested-while.html
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Isn't this how the police dealt with football hooligans back in the day. Allowing the UAF to demmonstrate anyway just shows that we are battling against militant Islam, but also 'The Man.' I've posted link to the official statement on BD1life.com, where many people disillusioned with the forum run by T&A tend to congregate. I am going to do the same on The Telegraph and Argus website, if I can, to spread the word of police discrimination against the ordinary people of this nation and the whole filthy conspriracy against EDL, and the common man in general, perpertrated by this government instigated by Harridan Har-person. No surender to the muslim nutters, or 'The Man.'
Somthing tells me this all might have somthing to do with Bradford. I think the police are s**tting themselves about it and banning orders will be put in place to reduce out numbers. I think we'll see more of these at other protests.
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Isn't this how the police dealt with football hooligans back in the day. Allowing the UAF to demmonstrate anyway just shows that we are battling against militant Islam, but also 'The Man.' I've posted link to the official statement on BD1life.com, where many people disillusioned with the forum run by T&A tend to congregate. I am going to do the same on The Telegraph and Argus website, if I can, to spread the word of police discrimination against the ordinary people of this nation and the whole filthy conspriracy against EDL, and the common man in general, perpertrated by this government instigated by Harridan Har-person. No surender to the muslim nutters, or 'The Man.'
Somthing tells me this all might have somthing to do with Bradford. I think the police are s**tting themselves about it and banning orders will be put in place to reduce out numbers. I think we'll see more of these at other protests.
the arrests.... were they made as the sdl didn,t have permission for the demo?? just trying to think it out in my head
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the arrests.... were they made as the sdl didn,t have permission for the demo?? just trying to think it out in my head
No they didn't need to for a static protest. And yes I did mean the arrests
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If we all turned up at demo's in suits, collar and tie - no banners, badges or any sort of regalia - how would they know who was who until we are all in place!
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This might help.

http://www.g8legalsupport.info/guide/

Reading through it I can't see anywhere where the EDL leadership committed an offence.
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This might help.

http://www.g8legalsupport.info/guide/

Reading through it I can't see anywhere where the EDL leadership committed an offence.
Nice find TS. Useful link.
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If we all turned up at demo's in suits, collar and tie - no banners, badges or any sort of regalia - how would they know who was who until we are all in place!
Didnt Portsmouths 617 crew do somthing simalar?
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