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EDL going in dangerous direction. Do we want a race riot in Bradford?
Topic Started: Feb 19 2010, 01:28 AM (3,396 Views)
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well said tony
we need to get the moderate muslims on board
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Feb 19 2010, 08:28 PM
But all this talk of 'reclaiming Bradford! Whats that got to do with EDL?
Bradford is a major hotbed of recruitment to jihadist causes, the schools, mosques and community associations are overrun by Al Qaeda, it has many sharia law courts.

Now I have worked within the muslim community in Bradford in the past, there are a LOT of really nice people there from the muslim community, these 'all muslims are evil' merchants talk pure bollocks.

These good people have as much reason to oppose the jihadists as everyone else does, indeed more so, so I aint gonna leta few dickhead nazis derail this movement because a few tarts don't get the full picture.
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Where should we do demo's?

If we dont go to Bradford where else shouldnt we go,Bolton,Oldham,Luton,East London just cos it may go off?

We have to go places like these as these are the places that have been radicalised.
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Feb 19 2010, 08:42 PM
Where should we do demo's?

If we dont go to Bradford where else shouldnt we go,Bolton,Oldham,Luton,East London just cos it may go off?

We have to go places like these as these are the places that have been radicalised.
Perhaps we should ask Charlie and co?

How about the Shetland Isles? Or could the ponies kick off?
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but how will the EDLs presence there change anything? all it will serve to to is to further alienate the youth. a lot of the muslms in the north of england and into scotland are proud to be british. theres no disputing that. if you go along there and say 'no, we're british, youre not. oh, and youve turned this place into pakistan so we're here to take it back' then theyre going to feel threatened and turn in on themselves even further. thats how radicalism and violence is born.



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Lol Tony,I'd like to know where people think we should be going cos if we dont do the areas that are bad then whats the point.

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Feb 19 2010, 08:50 PM
but how will the EDLs presence there change anything? all it will serve to to is to further alienate the youth. a lot of the muslms in the north of england and into scotland are proud to be british. theres no disputing that. if you go along there and say 'no, we're british, youre not. oh, and youve turned this place into pakistan so we're here to take it back' then theyre going to feel threatened and turn in on themselves even further. thats how radicalism and violence is born.



LETS not alienate the already alienated by choice youth hey xcrisx are you on the right forum??
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Feb 19 2010, 08:49 PM
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Feb 19 2010, 08:42 PM
Where should we do demo's?

If we dont go to Bradford where else shouldnt we go,Bolton,Oldham,Luton,East London just cos it may go off?

We have to go places like these as these are the places that have been radicalised.
Perhaps we should ask Charlie and co?

How about the Shetland Isles? Or could the ponies kick off?
I thougth we were all on the same side mate? And sometimes people disagree, doesn't mean anyone is wrong just a different point of view, and its healthy. It's also what this country was built upon, free speech without fear of persecution. Exactly what the UAF try to deprive us of. If Bradford goes ahead, people who are erring on the side of caution will no doubt still support it, but doesn't mean they have to think its a good idea. I personally don't think it will go ahead, but its all about opinions eh we're not nazis after all.....
'I may not agree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it'
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Feb 19 2010, 08:53 PM
Lol Tony,I'd like to know where people think we should be going cos if we dont do the areas that are bad then whats the point.

do them how?

i dont see what marching into bradford is going to achieve other than stirring up racial tensions, something that suits the far right who will undoubtedly be there to encourage and inflame any situation they can.

this will only serve in having the defence leagues put into the same basket case file as the NF, BFF, WPWW and all the other moronic race hate groups.
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Believe me cris I get what your saying mate but their radical views are deep within them before we get anywhere near the place.
Where would you suggest we go to do demo's?
As for them saying their British most will say theyre muslim first and that comes way before being British,if it all did kick off properly between Brits n Islamists Im sure I know who these lads would side with.
Even the parents of convicted terrorists say their child aint a terrorist n its someone elses fault.
I'd be well pleased if Muslims would join us against the jihadis but unfortunatly as most of us know the majority of them have a soft spot for the jihadists as they see them as standing up against the agressors of the west,even if they dont openly admit it.
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Where should we do demo's?

If we dont go to Bradford where else shouldnt we go,Bolton,Oldham,Luton,East London just cos it may go off?

We have to go places like these as these are the places that have been radicalised.
Perhaps we should ask Charlie and co?

How about the Shetland Isles? Or could the ponies kick off?
Charlies answer is not whether there be a mini riot what of course could happen but the main picture is if the government ban us. What would be gained except for the chance to have a ruck
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When I said do them,I was talking about doing demo's mate not "doing them" in a violent context,thought I'd clear that one up,I dont advocate violence on the computer as I dont in the real world as I'm not really the violent type so I try not to come across like that on here but if it sounded like that then I apolagise.
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the only effective place to protest is in front of parliament and in the ballot box. the demos should continue, no denying that, but they should be held on nuetral ground where they can campaign and leaflet without the risk of mass disruption. why not have 10 small demos in a day, maybe 20-20 bodies in town centres across england or scotland handing out leaflets and explaining what the edl is about instead of inviting all the shyte of the day to gather in one place for a bit of aggro with the muzzies?

its not what a lot of people here want, it seems, but it would be a lot more efficient and less damaging to the defence leagues than what we all know will happen in bradford.
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Feb 19 2010, 09:06 PM
When I said do them,I was talking about doing demo's mate not "doing them" in a violent context
oh, i got that. i was just saying that doing bradford would be counter productive.
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We'd be showing charlie that there is not a town or city in our country the EDL will not peacefully protest against Militant Islam and Sharia Law at this moment in time we've everything to gain and nothing to lose !!!
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Feb 19 2010, 09:08 PM
We'd be showing charlie that there is not a town or city in our country the EDL will not peacefully protest against Militant Islam and Sharia Law at this moment in time we've everything to gain and nothing to lose !!!
wrong. you have nothing to gain and everything to lose. if you insist on marching into bradford then you will be banned before it or after it and the whole movement will have been a total waste of time.

the only winners will be the far right who will come in and pick up the hardcore who want to continue but have no way of doing it without them.
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Feb 19 2010, 09:07 PM
the only effective place to protest is in front of parliament and in the ballot box. the demos should continue, no denying that, but they should be held on nuetral ground where they can campaign and leaflet without the risk of mass disruption. why not have 10 small demos in a day, maybe 20-20 bodies in town centres across england or scotland handing out leaflets and explaining what the edl is about instead of inviting all the shyte of the day to gather in one place for a bit of aggro with the muzzies?

its not what a lot of people here want, it seems, but it would be a lot more efficient and less damaging to the defence leagues than what we all know will happen in bradford.
I resent your s**te of the day comment get f**king real 10 EDL handing out leaflets f**k me you'd be run out of every town and city you tried this in Divide and Conquer come on !!!!!!!
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According to the 2001 census, Bradford was only 16% muslim and while that might not sound a lot, you'll still play spot the white man in many parts.

For a start, I would imagine the population is definitely over 20% now, if not 23 or 24% so 1 in 5 or 1 in 4 people in Bradford is a Pakistani or Bangladeshi muslim (most of them pakistanis) but yep the city is well and truly a great example of failed multiculturalism and islamification.

I would think though, ignoring the fact that the city is only around 20-25% muslim that parts of it like Manningham (i've seen 2001 census data for this ward and others in bradford) are well over 50% muslim, because they were around 60-70% in 2001 and i'm sure as Tony said there are parts of Bradford that are about 80% muslim at least, the area is an islamic cesspit.....

Most islamified places in England are wards in Bradford, Birmingham and London.

Dewsbury has some islamified wards, same with Blackburn and Oldham but those 3 cities have the worst islamified areas.

Take manningham and 2 or 3 other wards in Bradford.
Alum rock, sparkbrook, small heath, handsworth in Birmingham.
Wards in East london in the 3 boroughs of Waltham Forest, Tower Hamlets and Newham, especially Tower Hamlets where places like whitechapel, stepney, bethnal green, "banglatown" etc are all around 50-70% muslim (that was 8 years ago) so yep this country is well and truly on it's way to islamification.

Don't deny it you lefty cretins. (To any leftist mug reading this topic)
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by shyte of the day I was referring to the nazis and bootboys who will show up just to cause trouble. nobody wants them around.

maybe the idea of a few activists handing leaflets out doesnt sound as atractive as a 3000 strong demo, but more people will read a leaflet about the edl thats handed to them in a quiet and friendly manner than if they were watching a riot on television.
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rob77 i joined the edl to stand-up to those who threaten our way of life, i do though however wonder what your reason for being here is. we have had many like you come on here and question where when or why and they all end up leaving by the exit. with or without you this movement will continue to grow, with or without you more people will awaken from their sleep-walk. we wont miss you if you dont go to bradford, nor will we miss others who feel it is wrong to go there. i dont give a stuff, i'm an edl member for the same reason im going to london dudley and bradford, i love this country and i'll do whatever it takes to rid it of those that seek to destroy it!
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Thing is though cris if say for instance in my home town,Luton,10 of us stood in or around the town center leafletting within 15 mins there would be at least a 100 muslim men/youths trying to kick your head in,bad I know but thats the way it is in many places.
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yeah, i know that, but if you keep going back day after day after day what can they do?
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They would turn up every day we did them being Islamic Extremists and the UAF traitors
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Feb 19 2010, 09:27 PM
yeah, i know that, but if you keep going back day after day after day what can they do?
They would keep coming back kicking n stabbing people then you'd get groups of 'em following you back to your house where they would phone for more reinforcments n attack your house n family.
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maybe, maybe not. it all depends on who is handing the leaflets out. if its he same idiots who turn up the demos half pissed and throw nazi salutes* around then yes,that might happen. but maybe by being more moderate you can encourage mrs and mrs smith to join, and not even the worst of the uaf would dare be seen attacking them.












*yeah yeah, theyre red hand salutes.(like f**k they are)
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Feb 19 2010, 09:46 PM
maybe, maybe not. it all depends on who is handing the leaflets out. if its he same idiots who turn up the demos half pissed and throw nazi salutes* around then yes,that might happen. but maybe by being more moderate you can encourage mrs and mrs smith to join, and not even the worst of the uaf would dare be seen attacking them.












*yeah yeah, theyre red hand salutes.(like f**k they are)
Out of all the people who turned up in Hanley how many were throwing the salute not many 2 caught on camera. Out of interest were you there xcrisx ??
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i wasnt there, no. but i was at glasgow in november and i have seen the footage of other demos.

the EDL is in real danger of being hijacked and destroyed by the far right.
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Believe me mate if I(and im defo not a pissed up trouble maker n have never done any sort of salute be it red hand of ulster/nazi/roman or whatever) stood down in my local town center with some mates,even if they would be big hard nuts the gangsta wannabe's would be all over us,they can get massive numbers in seconds,the uaf studenty types wouldnt dare but the local Pakistani gangs would jump at the chance to kick some goreh heads in and they dont shy about coming to your house in numbers.
It would be even worse if "normal" people did it cos they'd get aniahlated,believe mate the likes of the gambino's n khan mafia in this town and presumably up n down the country have no fear as they know the aurthorities will be reluctant to do anything to them,thats how we have got to the situation we have in this country.
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Bradford is an English City in the English County of West Yorkshire.

Why shouldn't English tax paying citizens be able to protest there?
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its not a case of could we, its a case of should we?
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Feb 19 2010, 09:55 PM
i wasnt there, no. but i was at glasgow in november and i have seen the footage of other demos.

the EDL is in real danger of being hijacked and destroyed by the far right.
So i take it there was loads of far right there then throwing the salute ??
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Feb 19 2010, 09:55 PM
Believe me mate if I(and im defo not a pissed up trouble maker n have never done any sort of salute be it red hand of ulster/nazi/roman or whatever) stood down in my local town center with some mates,even if they would be big hard nuts the gangsta wannabe's would be all over us,they can get massive numbers in seconds,the uaf studenty types wouldnt dare but the local Pakistani gangs would jump at the chance to kick some goreh heads in and they dont shy about coming to your house in numbers.
It would be even worse if "normal" people did it cos they'd get aniahlated,believe mate the likes of the gambino's n khan mafia in this town and presumably up n down the country have no fear as they know the aurthorities will be reluctant to do anything to them,thats how we have got to the situation we have in this country.
This seems to be a familiar problem up and down the country. Muslims (Pakistanis) stick together and they can russle up hordes of teenage thugs in a matter of minutes.

They have no fear of plod, because plod let them do exactly as they please, and they know it.
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i wasnt there, no. but i was at glasgow in november and i have seen the footage of other demos.

the EDL is in real danger of being hijacked and destroyed by the far right.
So i take it there was loads of far right there then throwing the salute ??
not loads, there were only about 70 sdl, but several were throwing the salute and, of course, they were right at the front where all the press could see them.
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Feb 19 2010, 10:04 PM
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not loads, there were only about 70 sdl, but several were throwing the salute and, of course, they were right at the front where all the press could see them.
Are you sure they were not doing the red hand salute?
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Feb 19 2010, 10:04 PM
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not loads, there were only about 70 sdl, but several were throwing the salute and, of course, they were right at the front where all the press could see them.
Right at the front where the press could see it sounds staged already mate. I don't doubt wot your saying but you have to remember any one can claim to be EDL even UAF looking to get the real EDL members a bad name my name's mean not green come on mate !!!!
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Feb 19 2010, 10:08 PM
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Are you sure they were not doing the red hand salute?
thats what they said, but who can tell if it was or not?

it looks bad either way, thats the point.
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well this is half the problem we have isn't it, the people in the group who don't JUST agree with the issue we are about, but hate all muslims/"****'s"/whatevers. Then you will get the yobs who believe in the cause but want to cause trouble while protesting, either within the group or from splinter groups (C18 etc). Or the ones who just basically want to get pissed and kick loads of muslims heads in.

Which brings us to the reason that a lot of the country hear the words English Defense League and write us off as violent racist thugs.

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Right at the front where the press could see it sounds staged already mate. I don't doubt wot your saying but you have to remember any one can claim to be EDL even UAF looking to get the real EDL members a bad name my name's mean not green come on mate !!!!
No mate were not saying your green but thats the whole point given these people the chance to give the E.D.L a bad name
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No mate were not saying your green but thats the whole point given these people the chance to give the E.D.L a bad name
Im not saying i'm green either charlie but how do we stop ourselves being infiltrated people are to quick to diss the EDL movement mate at a drop of a hat i've waited a long time for a movement like ours and ain't gonna let a few pricks spoil wot i see as the only voice we have yeah i don't agree with everything that happen's at demo's but just ask your self where else is there an organisation created by real people backed by real people and looking out for real people ???
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Im not saying i'm green either charlie but how do we stop ourselves being infiltrated people are to quick to diss the EDL movement mate at a drop of a hat i've waited a long time for a movement like ours and ain't gonna let a few pricks spoil wot i see as the only voice we have yeah i don't agree with everything that happen's at demo's but just ask your self where else is there an organisation created by real people backed by real people and looking out for real people ???
That I totally agree with mate .
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If you want politicians to take note of the voice EDL then high profile marches like Bradford have to go ahead, otherwise what's the point
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If you want politicians to take note of the voice EDL then high profile marches like Bradford have to go ahead, otherwise what's the point
Exactly blackbrit, to roll over and say hey we might upset a few people along the way is not good enough bro ...
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RIGHT I'M GONNA TELL YOU ALL HOW IT IS! NOW, IF YOU DONT LIKE THE DIRECTION THE EDL IS GOING PHUCK-OFF, GO AND JOIN A GROUP THAT IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH YOUR WAY OF THINKING, BUT YOU'LL BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND ONE. WE ARE GOING TO BRADFORD FOR THE REASON WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, IT HAS SHARIA COURTS, IT HAS ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS, IS A HOTBED OF JIHADISTS, AND HAS MAD MULLAHS IN A LOT OF THE MOSQUES PREACHING HATRED OF US THE INFIDELS! NOW IF YOU DONT THINK THAT ANY OF THEM IS NOT ENOUGH OF A REASON TO GO TO BRADFORD THEN DO WHAT I SUGGESTED AT THE TOP OF THIS POST AND PHUCK OFF. I'M SICK TO DEATH OF PEOPLE WHINGING ABOUT WHY WE GOING HERE OR WHY WE GOING THERE. DONT BE PART OF IT OR BE A PART OF IT UP TO YOU, BUT THERE ARE ONLY 2 OR 3 OF YOU MOANING, SO IF YOU DO DECIDE TO GO YOU'LL BE NO LOSS!

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I can't see it turning into a riot to be honest. Muzzies are yellow, they'll talk big on their internet forums and maybe a few may show up for a scrap but when they see 3000 EDL there they'll piss off back to their homes.

Worst what will happen is a few Muslim gangs hanging around after the demo to pick off lone whites but if anyone going is smart and doesn't hang around in the city centre afterwards all should be fine.


I mean, people expected a large Muslim turn out at Manchester and Leeds but judging by reports, photos and vids there were hardly any there at all.
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RIGHT I'M GONNA TELL YOU ALL HOW IT IS! NOW, IF YOU DONT LIKE THE DIRECTION THE EDL IS GOING PHUCK-OFF, GO AND JOIN A GROUP THAT IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH YOUR WAY OF THINKING, BUT YOU'LL BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND ONE. WE ARE GOING TO BRADFORD FOR THE REASON WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, IT HAS SHARIA COURTS, IT HAS ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS, IS A HOTBED OF JIHADISTS, AND HAS MAD MULLAHS IN A LOT OF THE MOSQUES PREACHING HATRED OF US THE INFIDELS! NOW IF YOU DONT THINK THAT ANY OF THEM IS NOT ENOUGH OF A REASON TO GO TO BRADFORD THEN DO WHAT I SUGGESTED AT THE TOP OF THIS POST AND PHUCK OFF. I'M SICK TO DEATH OF PEOPLE WHINGING ABOUT WHY WE GOING HERE OR WHY WE GOING THERE. DONT BE PART OF IT OR BE A PART OF IT UP TO YOU, BUT THERE ARE ONLY 2 OR 3 OF YOU MOANING, SO IF YOU DO DECIDE TO GO YOU'LL BE NO LOSS!

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If you want politicians to take note of the voice EDL then high profile marches like Bradford have to go ahead, otherwise what's the point
Nail on head springs to mind.
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RIGHT I'M GONNA TELL YOU ALL HOW IT IS! NOW, IF YOU DONT LIKE THE DIRECTION THE EDL IS GOING PHUCK-OFF, GO AND JOIN A GROUP THAT IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH YOUR WAY OF THINKING, BUT YOU'LL BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND ONE. WE ARE GOING TO BRADFORD FOR THE REASON WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, IT HAS SHARIA COURTS, IT HAS ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS, IS A HOTBED OF JIHADISTS, AND HAS MAD MULLAHS IN A LOT OF THE MOSQUES PREACHING HATRED OF US THE INFIDELS! NOW IF YOU DONT THINK THAT ANY OF THEM IS NOT ENOUGH OF A REASON TO GO TO BRADFORD THEN DO WHAT I SUGGESTED AT THE TOP OF THIS POST AND PHUCK OFF. I'M SICK TO DEATH OF PEOPLE WHINGING ABOUT WHY WE GOING HERE OR WHY WE GOING THERE. DONT BE PART OF IT OR BE A PART OF IT UP TO YOU, BUT THERE ARE ONLY 2 OR 3 OF YOU MOANING, SO IF YOU DO DECIDE TO GO YOU'LL BE NO LOSS!

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i wasnt there, no. but i was at glasgow in november and i have seen the footage of other demos.

the EDL is in real danger of being hijacked and destroyed by the far right.
Undoubtedly the "extreme" far right are out to cause us damage they want to infiltrate and take over in whatever way they can, they have stated as much over the net.

Now the question is can they actually succeed in those aims?

My personal opinion.....

No chance! Why is that you may ask?

Well we have not only strength in numbers but also strength in conviction and character. The EDL have made it very clear from the offset, we are NOT racist, we are NOT Nazi's. Our leadership burning a Nazi flag in front of their black mates couldn't have made it any more obvious where the EDL stand on Nazis.

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