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| EDL going in dangerous direction. Do we want a race riot in Bradford? | |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 03:02 PM Post #51 |
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good, i'm glad they know, what they now know is that 'the english are coming!' |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 03:03 PM Post #52 |
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I'm sure I have read that we are allowed a static protest, no matter what. I don't think they can ban us having that. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 03:08 PM Post #53 |
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It's a fallacy that this is a free country. Our liberties are negative liberties in that we are only free to do that which is not illegal, as soon as the Government find any undesirable but unlegislated behaviour occuring the situation is swiftly remedied with new laws. |
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| germanic | Feb 19 2010, 03:10 PM Post #54 |
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Will the government gain from a race riot in Bradford? I believe yes they would. The system has financially backed UAF who in turn have deliberately and wrongly branded the EDL as the BNP. The BNP will take a s**t load of votes away from labour in their heartlands. A race riot involving muslim youths attacking the police will be blamed on the BNP resulting in the average voter returning back to Labour because the BNP are too extreme. Politics is a dirty business, ask why UAF have been state financed and there is your answer. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 03:13 PM Post #55 |
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Just want to add that I sincerely hope the Bradford demo does go ahead as it is exactly the wake up call that is needed for this country and it's leaders. I'm in no way against the EDL's aims and have been behind the cause since the beginning but do have grave concerns about whether Bradford being the straw that breaks the camels (authorities) back over the peaceful demos. |
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| germanic | Feb 19 2010, 03:23 PM Post #56 |
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Oliver1, if the public reported impartial coverage then I'd agree with you mate, but the media are very state influenced and will do their upmost to spin and twist the facts. What's reported and shown on telly or printed in the press can be very misleading. Edited by germanic, Feb 19 2010, 03:34 PM.
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 03:26 PM Post #57 |
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No matter what spin the media put on a race riot, even the most unenlightened members of public will see that it is a situation that has culminated from years of a Labour Government and make them think twice about voting them in again. |
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| germanic | Feb 19 2010, 03:29 PM Post #58 |
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You have more faith in the general public thinking for themselves and the media having little influence than i do mate.
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| charlie | Feb 19 2010, 03:31 PM Post #59 |
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Thats a interesting slant on things so if that because why give the government a foothold ? |
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| steve johns | Feb 19 2010, 03:34 PM Post #60 |
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Tell u when were going in a dangerous direction.When we have a few lads pick on a young Asian lad walking home from school.They beat him to a pulp gouge his eyes out, castrate him,cut his tongue out and still while he his alive set him alite.THEN WERE GOING IN A DANGEROUS DIRECTION. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 03:39 PM Post #61 |
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So the crux of your concern is that the public perceive the EDL (through media manipulation) as being B*P affiliates and therefore any riots will have been caused by this unholy alliance? That being the case it still doesn't take away the situation that has caused any riots that occur, and the only door to lay the blame for that situation is the past 13 years of Labour Government. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 03:41 PM Post #62 |
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To even have to doubt wether a group of people from england can go to an english city to peacefully protest not against asians but against militant islam and risk race riots is surely all the more reason to go, i for one will not be dictated to by anyone where i can and can't go in my own country and as people have said if the doubting thomas's don't want to come no one is forcing you this is just the begining and were in for a bumpy ride but enough is enough if we don't make a stand now well i think we all know things are gonna get a whole lot worse !! one more thing GOOD LUCK to all the EDL lads travelling upto scotland today and tomorrow to stand shoulder to shoulder with the SDL no surrender EDL |
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| nemisis123456 | Feb 19 2010, 03:46 PM Post #63 |
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There are NO, no-go zones for the EDL. If Islamist scum kick off then we have the right to defend ourselves. Our intentions are for peaceful protest but due to the very large Islamist presence in Bradford there could be some kind of unavoidable conflict. Let's hope the police can stand up to the Islamists and prevent any kind of conflict. |
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| Kaizer | Feb 19 2010, 03:50 PM Post #64 |
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oh gosh, I know Bradford quite well, went to college and worked there, have many muslim friends etc. The town has always been a bit trashy, sad, decrepid mostly stuggling to rise from its old industrial past. The muslims arrived there for work, I mixed with the second generation of muslims who were really good ppl. However I believe it is now the 4th generation muslims that are active. Also remember in the 1960s there was the joke practice of "pakistani bashing" which was white ppl supposed to be driving around in cars to beat up any pakistani, but I never saw it. But the lagacy remains and the 4th Gen will want to turn the tables as I could detect hatred against me (white Brit) the accusation was "you raped my country" - which is rubbish. But most pakistanis were great ppl, only a few were muddled. You might care to casually stroll around the more muslim areas, out of town, play real cool and see what reaction you get. Not to pick fights but have the freedom to walk about. I would do this a lot when there but sadly may think twice now. Bradford is something of an old city, now dominated by muslims, I would hate to see it destroyed and was saddened by the Mannignham Lane riot, it's just not necessary. Edited by Kaizer, Feb 19 2010, 03:52 PM.
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My cows are a reminder of the destruction by the UK Govt/DEFRA of our long standing dairy farming industry. So please all members, think before you reply, if you only have silly schoolboy answers, leave it to the others who can answer in a civil way. (copied from Admin Ali) - let's try and put brains back into Britain. | |
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| Capt Haddock | Feb 19 2010, 03:53 PM Post #65 |
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labour don't give a s**t about people here voting for them. They have purposely shipped in two million immigrants for that very vote.
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 03:54 PM Post #66 |
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If people attack us, they are siding with Militant Islam, so that will show a lot of peoples true colours. Bring on Bradford I say, let them try something. |
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| terry_london1979 | Feb 19 2010, 03:58 PM Post #67 |
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I was in two minds about going to Bradford, but the tilting point came for me when I just simply thought this is our country! Why shouldn't we go to a part of England and make a point? But I feel the point could be made better if we target an area that actually is known to be a hot bed for terrorism, wouldn't Dewsbury be a better target, as that is the home of the Tabliq Jammat. However because of the tinder box situation in Bradford we would need to have some very heavy stewarding from our side that prevents the following; Infighting amongst rival firms, the alcohol doesn't help much here. The attacks on police officers and the abuse thrown at them, making them our enemy is not a great idea as they will be come down harder on our demos in the future. Attacks on innocent passers by or rampaging through a "muzzie" area [see Stoke]. If we don't stop this that then our image will go down the toilet and the media will be all over it. Stop the overt racist chanting that some engage in. It does irreversible damage to our cause. It should be peaceful marching, banners etc. If someone comes for a square go THEN we can give them a slap. We should be aiming to attract the greater public not repel them. As for Bradford I think the city centre location is great and we should remain there, as the point will be made and if we were to venture anywhere else,we would be painted as the evil/fascist/racist group. Just out of interest what terrorist plots have been conceived in Bradford? |
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| terry_london1979 | Feb 19 2010, 04:02 PM Post #68 |
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Great post mate, in actual fact the first generation many of them served in the British army. There are quite a few Victoria cross holders from Pakistan. It is just the crap from a substantial minority of the fourth generation that has put them to shame and is causing problems. I have heard their elders say it themselves. But the sad thing is, some idiots will target them all. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 04:03 PM Post #69 |
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Agreed the 2 million immigrant labour voters is an utter disgrace but a small drop in the ocean of the UK population of 60 million |
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| southwales | Feb 19 2010, 04:03 PM Post #70 |
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The point is that these demo's are about islam extremism and sharia law, It is not about hating and protesting against local muslim kids. If these people can't handle criticism of Islam then that is there fault and it shows them for who they are if they kick off. |
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If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities. Freedom is not free. | |
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| Zefiris | Feb 19 2010, 04:27 PM Post #71 |
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Why the f**k should we refuse to go to any city in or f**king country out of fear of the Muslims kicking off? They've come here, set up their no-go areas and it's about time people shown them that enough is enough. f**k the Muslims, they won't show up because we'll have thousands there and we all know they haven't got the stomach for anything near a fair fight. If they don't want the EDL marching then they can f**k off back to Pakistan and moan about it there. We should go to Oldham, Halifax...anywhere were Muslims think they rule the roost. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 04:44 PM Post #72 |
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and dewsbury, that muslim labour mp shahid malik, is the one who would like to see a muslim governemt and his words after that speech 'insh allah' wherever there is a sharia court we should be there, where evre there is a nogo zone for english peoples we should be there, wherever there is islamic extremist support we should be there. wherever there are those that wish the demise of our great nation we the united defence leagues of great britain and ulster should be there! |
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| saunders | Feb 19 2010, 05:13 PM Post #73 |
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What about the Muslim pedophiles waiting outside Junior schools and grooming kiddies? We have to go to Bradford for their sake. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 05:16 PM Post #74 |
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We must go to Bradford, thats the end of it! |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 05:44 PM Post #75 |
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for death! for glory! for ENGLAND! |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 05:46 PM Post #76 |
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Yeah but i'd like to think us white and black boys or "kuffar" ain't that f**king sick. I am completely against violence, especially if the lad (muslim or not) has done nothing.... An attack like that would more likely be muslim sickos on a white kid... I think most english kids really are just the type for a good battering, broken nose and a kick in the head, I'd like to think my fellow people don't go far enough that they bloody cut someones testicles off, cut his tongue out and set him on fire, no one deserves that.... Except a terrorist who's killed loads of people though, he deserves torture one could argue... |
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| germanic | Feb 19 2010, 05:57 PM Post #77 |
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Englandpatriot, the attack described by stevejohns did actually happen. The victims name was Kriss Donald and it was a seriously sick racist murder, the PC brigade and reds said absolutely bugger all about it - the victim was the wrong colour to get a reaction! |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 06:10 PM Post #78 |
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Oh yeah s**t I thought he was saying that could happen no i'm fully aware of what happened to that poor lad kriss yep them primitive muslim scumbags did that to him cos he was white f**king racist f**kers. Also coincidence it got f**k all national news attention, what a surprise, if it's not a white boy who done the crime it can't be racist.... |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 06:18 PM Post #79 |
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here's the kriss donald story for them that dont know about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald |
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| charlie | Feb 19 2010, 06:19 PM Post #80 |
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It did make the news and was tried has a racial murder but dont let the facts get in the way Kriss Donald http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A03uv8eKxn5L0RUB1iVLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBybWpoN25zBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2lyZAR2dGlkAw--/SIG=12sk10qdf/EXP=1266685962/**http%3a//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6123014.stm |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 06:31 PM Post #81 |
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It hardly made any news. Lets compare the coverage to Steven Lawrence to Kris Donald. |
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| germanic | Feb 19 2010, 06:35 PM Post #82 |
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It did recieve coverage Charlie yes I agree but unlike black or asian victims it did not domintate media headlines nor were there politicains screaming nor were there rallies condeming this attack. And considering the extreme act which was carried out on this poor defenceless lad don't you think that is a bit of a double standard. Racist violence regardless of the victims colour is equally unacceptable, it's a pity the left and PC brigade don't agree because their silence was deafening! |
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| charlie | Feb 19 2010, 06:52 PM Post #83 |
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I really dont want to make a issue out of either any of these murders but you cant compare the way the Lawrence murder was conducted to Donald murder by the police . That what the real stink was about not it being racist or not |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 06:56 PM Post #84 |
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Those bastards got around 25 years, they will be out in 15, its a disgrace. They should be killed, I don't care what anyone says, they are not worth the life they were given, sick pigs. |
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| charlie | Feb 19 2010, 07:00 PM Post #85 |
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http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A03uv8KkyX5LL3gBHGpLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBzNnVwazkyBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMTQEY29sbwNpcmQEdnRpZAM-/SIG=13l63tl5a/EXP=1266686756/**http%3a//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-415247/Asian-gang-guilty-schoolboys-race-hate-murder.html another link to the murder do you know there been over 50 known or suspected racially motivated murders but not all are high profile . I agree all racial murders should be reported with the same degree |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 07:02 PM Post #86 |
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Bradford is an English city, we are the English Defence League. Bradford is an epicenter of islamic terrorism as proved by episode 1 of the BBCs generation jihad, so the leadership have decided to take the campaign to the epicenter, Bradford. Our enemies have won if the EDL back out, it means we have lost Bradford as an English city. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 07:04 PM Post #87 |
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We will never back down. Bradford is an English city and the demo will prove that. Hopefully it will bring out the Bradford locals, the ones who are tired of their city being a Islamic home and a dump. |
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| BlackBrit | Feb 19 2010, 07:10 PM Post #88 |
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Just how bad is the growth of the muslim population in Bradford anyway? I'm hearing words like 'still an English city' is it really that far gone? |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 07:20 PM Post #89 |
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Bradford is the best chance yet for the moderate muslims to get their voice heard against the radicals that are giving their religion such a bad name |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 07:20 PM Post #90 |
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Large parts of Bradford are 80% muslim |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 07:21 PM Post #91 |
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My old RE teacher said there was a wall built to seperate the Muslims from the English in a part of Bradford. Don't know if hes got it right, but he usually knows his stuff, especially as hes mates with ex Combat 18 leader and is an ex bouncer who knows quite a bit about the underworld lol. However he converted to marry his Muslim missus, then they split up a couple of years later, he let himself down with that. |
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| SamD | Feb 19 2010, 07:44 PM Post #92 |
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At the end of the day if we protest in bradford . theres going to be race confrontations , the arabs will not take us standing up against muslim extremeists without looking for any excuse to call us racists and start a race war . |
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| Idjut Bungmewonga | Feb 19 2010, 07:57 PM Post #93 |
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Afghanistan has no oil, and as for Brownites - he never liked the war or our army anyway, it is'nt in his or Labour's interests to have the people confronting islam - after all - their multi-culti ideal is a land of milk and honey where nothing can possibly go wrong and everyone just goes around giving each other loved-up hugs...is'nt it ?! Neither can you give up protests because their might be a confrontation with either islamo-nazis or the flip side of the same bad penny - the white racist nazis. Britain - the whole of Britain - is supposed to be a country where you can practise democratic free speech - there are not - or should not be - any no go areas for freedom. |
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| terry_london1979 | Feb 19 2010, 08:01 PM Post #94 |
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Bradford in the 2001 census had a white population of 74.9%. However it has been nine years since then. But from what I know from a friend who works in the council, there hasn't been a significant change as such. |
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| terry_london1979 | Feb 19 2010, 08:03 PM Post #95 |
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I thought those two guys were from Halifax? |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 08:16 PM Post #96 |
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Theres a simple solution,if some think Bradford is the wrong place to do a demo then just dont turn up,easy. I cant remember who posted it but someone said that Bradford isnt a hotbed for extremism,they obviously havn't been watching generation jihad on bbc2. If we dont go Bradford then we may aswell not bother anymore n just go back to how it was nearly a year ago with everyone sitting in the pub or at home moaning about what is happening in this country but doing nothing to show these terrorist sympathising racist f*ckers that there is people willing to stand up for their country. |
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| robo77 | Feb 19 2010, 08:28 PM Post #97 |
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ok where to start. well it seems i am not the only one on here to have doubts about Bradford ( lots of sense being talked by xcrisc charlie villa loyal ) And you got to say some people just have not got there facts straight. First up thanks Dannyyeo and Blackfoot for backing me up as to why Afghanistan is simply a 'oil war' that will mean more bombs on the London Tube and it's worrying that Global Mods don't know what the war is about. Second up a lot of ***** is being spoken about Bradford. Muslims in Bradford are not a majority and in 2005 only had 75,000 (15.3% of the city's population) according to Wikipedia. But yes some areas of Bradford are very Muslim and i know some people don't like that. And all this talk of grooming is just a wind up. Most peados are white british so it isn't relevent. And people are getting kids confused with Islamists. The kids who cause trouble in Bradford are not Islamists!! They are kids who think the 'western way' ( drugs easy sex and fast cars) is what they want. And they'll have a pop cause they like all of us don't like people coming into 'our house' uninvited. lets be honest when EDL was chasing Choudary we had the support of everyone except the UAF / George Galloway fan club! But all this talk of 'reclaiming Bradford! Whats that got to do with EDL? I though EDL was about Islamic extremism? We want to convert EDL into saving British Culture ( I'll be first to agree ) then we got to attack video games, american soaps, car culture, and all those people who want to live in Spain and all the politicians who sell out our country, as much as attacking Islamics! And I'll say it again Bradford will attract all the worst Nazi racist scum in the North and i have yet to see or hear of any bonehead being sorted out on an EDL demo. Road Rage ( global mod? that means making these decisions? ) mate i think what you say is wrong. And first i'm no bottle job i can assure you But the point is what are we trying to acheive here? We are trying to drive militant islam out of the UK i think. Yes? But EDL is not anti-Islam. It says it quite clearly. EDL is against the fundies, the jihadis, the terrorist supporting scum. We are not in Bradford to attack Muslims but the extremists. But a set up telegraphed confrontation like this is not going to destroy Islamists at all! All it does it drive the asian kids who don't give a **** about Mohammed into thinking the the Islamists must have something going if the EDL hate them so much. You've got kids mate (like me) and you were one too. You know what kids are like. They'll be up for a row like any kids would be. And then we have our race riot and asian kids and old white women getting beat up the next few weeks. What have we acheived. The 'muslims' get worse and **** bashing back in fashion. well done. where's the attempt to talk to and convert the asian kids? these people are here whether we like it or not and unless you believe ( as many on these boards do i suspect) that 'they should all go home' then we need to get these people to integrate and take our values. what is EDL doing to encourage those who want to integrate? i think we may be making things worse. (p.s. i would stop immigration tomorrow and offer anyone who doesn't like british values a ticket home but that is not EDL policy) look i'm an east londoner living in herts and everyone i know agrees with the EDL basics but they all think they attacks on the OB are wrong and they all think it's wrong to be having a go at Muslims instead of the jihadis. we all think if we are to make britian great again that will involve the millions of black and asians who live here. EDL says black and white unite well that includes asians otherwise it is bull**** so yes call off bradford not becuase we have no right to march but becuase it doesn't do what EDL is trying to do |
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| robo77 | Feb 19 2010, 08:30 PM Post #98 |
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fair play but how does the EDL demonstration help that? |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 08:33 PM Post #99 |
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They can join it. Are you on the right forum? |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2010, 08:33 PM Post #100 |
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well said robo. going into bradford looks like a deliberate move calculated to stir up trouble and will only serve to engender further animosity towrds the EDL. as i have said several times, call a meeting with the leaders of the muslim communities and set out a plan of action, or at least open a channel of dialogue. marching in mob handed will achieve nothing. |
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But the point is what are we trying to acheive here? We are trying to drive militant islam out of the UK i think. Yes? But EDL is not anti-Islam. It says it quite clearly. EDL is against the fundies, the jihadis, the terrorist supporting scum. We are not in Bradford to attack Muslims but the extremists. But a set up telegraphed confrontation like this is not going to destroy Islamists at all! All it does it drive the asian kids who don't give a **** about Mohammed into thinking the the Islamists must have something going if the EDL hate them so much. You've got kids mate (like me) and you were one too. You know what kids are like. They'll be up for a row like any kids would be. And then we have our race riot and asian kids and old white women getting beat up the next few weeks. What have we acheived. The 'muslims' get worse and **** bashing back in fashion. well done.
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