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EDL going in dangerous direction. Do we want a race riot in Bradford?
Topic Started: Feb 19 2010, 01:28 AM (3,392 Views)
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I've been a supporter ( though pretty much armchair due to work and family) of EDL since the off. I agree with everything EDL says about muslim extremists, Sharia, Jihadis, Anjem Choudary and all the other Islamists and think simply if they want Sharia they should be put on the first plane to Mecca. I think it was right EDL demonstrated last year against Choudary in London and think they have suceeeded in bringing to the nations attention the threat of Islamism to this country so well done to all.

But equally I have worried that EDL is being manipulated. We have a war ( for oil, no more, no less, in Afghanistan) going on and it makes sense for the Brownites to have someone s**t stirring against Muslims. And we are in the middle of a recession and what better way to distract than have the poorest whites and the poorest asains fighting each other? is this what EDL is doing? Is this why they levae us alone?

EDL's first targets made sense and weer clearly against Islamists not muslims. But Stoke turned into a mini riot ( attacking OB? no need for that) and hundreds tried to attack a Mosque! and EDL never really condemned this.

And so to Bradford. With it's history the chances of a race riot are high. I have been posting on here for many months and believe the vast majority of EDL are not racist and are not BNP and all that. So why go to Bradford when the chances are it will attract all the Nazi scum from over the whole country and cause a riot? All that does is play into the hands of the Brownites and maybe get EDL banned. This country is enough of a mess without us going around causing riots.

I think Bradford is a mistake and we should concentrate on smaller events where we live, publising our cause and less on big events that attract Nazis and hooligans
Remember there is bad in the Gospels too; (Jesus speaking) "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man 'against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's enemies will be those of his household'". (Matthew 10:34-36 NAB)
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I think Bradford has the potential to be a big mistake and provoke a race-riot on a colossal scale but don't ask me, ask the mods and admins, they decided on it.

There is a time where we must set foot in the cities that were once ours and have been taken away from us by the political elite and zanu labour in sacrifice for a disgusting islamic britain in return for supporting the liebour party who let them in, so we must march in these cities and make sure the local, british people know we haven't given up on them and OUR cities will always be OUR cities.

There's a lot of positives and negatives from holding it in Bradford, but it's been confirmed, so let's HAVE IT!!!!!
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Dont agree, peacefully protesting in quaint little places achieves f**k all, bradford is a s**thole full of the british hating muslim f**kwits so i say this is england, our streets and the edl can go were it likes. f**k muslims and those who give them the freedom to islamise britain!
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I understand what your saying but surely avoiding a certain city is a small victory for them
if you think you will lose, you have lost

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I'm going to hold off on commenting on this until the morning.
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Bradford is a big piece in a jigsaw that has to be completed.the defence leagues are not going in blind,and if bradford is a hotbed of islamic extremism it needs to be dealt with,thru peaceful protest of course.
If the defence leagues do not attend bradford we all may as well pack in and switch this forum down.get out there with us ,we all have family etc ,even if you choose a local demo.
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First of all the powers that certanly do not leave us alone thats for sure,batton charges,police dogs,arrests etc etc hardly leaving us alone.As for bradford the reason it has a chance of trouble and fair enough it does is because the muslims see it as theirs,a no go area,to all extent and purposes a muslim state well asian ghetto then.This reason and this reason alone is why we have no choice but to go there.This is brittain,were brittish and will go any where in this country as our relatives died so we could.PS,If there is a riot in bradford it will not be us that starts it thats for sure.
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i trust the, organisers/admins judgement.
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There is a Bradford thread boys in the future demos section. I will comment there as should the rest of us, cheers.
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Feb 19 2010, 01:28 AM
I've been a supporter ( though pretty much armchair due to work and family) of EDL since the off. I agree with everything EDL says about muslim extremists, Sharia, Jihadis, Anjem Choudary and all the other Islamists and think simply if they want Sharia they should be put on the first plane to Mecca. I think it was right EDL demonstrated last year against Choudary in London and think they have suceeeded in bringing to the nations attention the threat of Islamism to this country so well done to all.

But equally I have worried that EDL is being manipulated. We have a war ( for oil, no more, no less, in Afghanistan) going on and it makes sense for the Brownites to have someone s**t stirring against Muslims. And we are in the middle of a recession and what better way to distract than have the poorest whites and the poorest asains fighting each other? is this what EDL is doing? Is this why they levae us alone?

EDL's first targets made sense and weer clearly against Islamists not muslims. But Stoke turned into a mini riot ( attacking OB? no need for that) and hundreds tried to attack a Mosque! and EDL never really condemned this.

And so to Bradford. With it's history the chances of a race riot are high. I have been posting on here for many months and believe the vast majority of EDL are not racist and are not BNP and all that. So why go to Bradford when the chances are it will attract all the Nazi scum from over the whole country and cause a riot? All that does is play into the hands of the Brownites and maybe get EDL banned. This country is enough of a mess without us going around causing riots.

I think Bradford is a mistake and we should concentrate on smaller events where we live, publising our cause and less on big events that attract Nazis and hooligans
Robbo
there is no oil in Afghanistan.
Bradford? i personally have never been there---but if a broad spectrum of opinion who live work and have been there
is believed then it sounds like just the sort of place the E.D.L should be going to.
The E.D.L is a young movement (you yourself have a low membership number)mistakes have and will be made
like Stoke--but i hope we will learn and move forward----our enemy is still there--they started this by threatening
and bringing death and destruction to our streets--never forget that---to be honest i wish it would all go away
my wife certianly feels like that---but i feel i have to make a stand--isnt that why you joined ?
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Not going Bradford is backing down to them. What, you don't wanna go incase you upset the Muslims? Then why is the EDL here?

You wanna go where there is non-muslims? Yeah that is gonna do great.
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there is no oil in Afghanistan.

No but it still could involve oil! A pipeline for oil!

http://www.counterpunch.org/monbiot2.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html

Just sit down and think a mo why the west haven't moved in on other countries where people are oppressed! NO FINANCIAL WORTH!
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there is no oil in Afghanistan.

No but it still could involve oil! A pipeline for oil!

http://www.counterpunch.org/monbiot2.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html

Just sit down and think a mo why the west haven't moved in on other countries where people are oppressed! NO FINANCIAL WORTH!
Afgan is very bad military target,but the reason we went thier is it was a hot bed for terrorism.Pipeline from where?russia?no,pakistan,no.So please where would this pipeline come from,go to,no conspiricy theories though,really mate i cant really see how we could gain from any pipeline in afgan.
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Feb 19 2010, 03:07 AM
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Feb 19 2010, 02:28 AM

Quoting limited to 2 levels deephttp://www.counterpunch.org/monbiot2.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html

Just sit down and think a mo why the west haven't moved in on other countries where people are oppressed! NO FINANCIAL WORTH!
Afgan is very bad military target,but the reason we went thier is it was a hot bed for terrorism.Pipeline from where?russia?no,pakistan,no.So please where would this pipeline come from,go to,no conspiricy theories though,really mate i cant really see how we could gain from any pipeline in afgan.
The trans Afghanistan pipeline-The new deal on the pipeline was signed on 27 December 2002 by the leaders of Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan.[4] In 2005, the Asian Development Bank submitted the final version of a feasibility study designed by British company Penspen. ‘Since the US-led offensive that ousted the Taliban from power,’ reported Forbes in 2005, "the project has been revived and drawn strong US support" as it would allow the Central Asian republics to export energy to Western markets "without relying on Russian routes". Then-US Ambassador to Turkmenistan Ann Jacobsen noted that: "We are seriously looking at the project, and it is quite possible that American companies will join it."[5] Due to increasing instability, the project has essentially stalled; construction of the Turkmen part was supposed to start in 2006, but the overall feasibility is questionable since the southern part of the Afghan section runs through territory which continues to be under de facto Taliban control.[5]

no conspiracy theory, fact.google is your friend.

Btw, the taliban were actually invited to the White house for talks about the pipeline a few months before 911, and they went but they turned down the US offer and refused to allow the pipeline through Afghanistan.
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1. Being in a war for British interests? Oh how awful! That's what we're supposed to fight for.

2. Bradford is a city in England, why would there be a riot? Are you saying islamists will attack us? Why?

3. You think Bradford is a mistake. Ok so don't go then. You know how to not go to a demo as you say yourself, due to 'commitments'. We all have those mate, see what Martin said in my signature. Demos are what is getting our point across, not typing on keyboards.
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Bradford to me is a no brainier like you said it has the potential of attracting the neo-nazi scum what could cause a riot whether this be Asian black or whites .

Has your idea about E.D.L being a labour lead group because of afghanistan and driving the working class against each other could not be further from the truth.

If anything I find it strange that Bradford should be considered before a election like you said this could lead to the E.D.L getting banned if we are banned it would look like labour are bowing to the Muslims if not banned labour are steering racial hatred . So its a lose-lose situation for the government .

And if it dose turn out to be a riot in Bradford the E.D.L will get banned what ever political party in power .
So could this be the climax of the end game
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Personally I think Bradford is a mistake, I will support it but I don't think it will be allowed to go ahead. It has been announced too early and is also too confrontational, too early in this movements evolution. After Leeds and Stoke there is much more grass roots support from ordinary people, that should be built on first. I can see either proscription of the EDL or people getting landed on before Bradford happens. I hope I am wrong, but we must remember who we are facing, not just extremists but the very establishment which allows them.
I reckon a 'plan B' option now for the leadership is essential, should any prominent people get landed on, the movement must carry on should the state start using anti-terrorism laws or fit-ups. This is the political socialist/liberal class we are facing, they spent decades infiltrating this country's institutions, they're not gonna give it up without a fight, anyone who doesn't think the stakes will get much higher is naive in my opinion.
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Feb 19 2010, 06:39 AM
1. Being in a war for British interests? Oh how awful! That's what we're supposed to fight for.

2. Bradford is a city in England, why would there be a riot? Are you saying islamists will attack us? Why?

3. You think Bradford is a mistake. Ok so don't go then. You know how to not go to a demo as you say yourself, due to 'commitments'. We all have those mate, see what Martin said in my signature. Demos are what is getting our point across, not typing on keyboards.
1) no oil is worth the life of a British soldier; it's not in our interests anyway: we still won't see the price at the pump dropping.

2) islamists won't attack us, real Muslims don't really do rowing and scrapping like lads do unless you put it on them,it's going to be **** youth we face in Bradford who probably don't go to the mosque or any of that.
They loosely identify as Muslims though as we saw in Luton last year when they came out and wanted to have a go and ended up clashing with coppers.
But if you look at them, they act like us, dress like us etc. this is only going to push them towards the Islamist extremists if we come in looking for a row.

3) I'm still undecided, but I definitely think this could backfire badly, in the short term and long term.
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concentrate on areas where we live ??????
wtf , i live in Bradford and have to put up with the crap nearly every day,
west yorks div av been to nearly every demo so far and on the road to Scotland in the morning - so why dont you stop moaning about Bradford being a mistake when most of the extremist have come from Bradford or have links with Bradford
turn up on 30th May and show your support, i'm a single parent and my kids is why i joined the EDL, no good sitting on here whining when you could be on the streets making your voice heard
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Afghanistan has no oil lol
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While I don't think marching through Bradford is a mistake I am concerned with the number of local people wishing to tag along just for a bit of "paki-bashing." That is worrying as the EDL attempts to peacefully demonstrate, and we all know the UAF and local riot boys will be out in force to cause bother. Local thugs taggin along simply for the fight is not something we need.

Incidently, the UAF are already trying to recruit in Bradford. Their even approaching black youths saying we hate them. Apparently a young black lad has signned up to an EDL facebook group and posted the full story.
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WHho's country is this, ours or the islamic's. It wont be us starting a race riot it will be the muslims and the un-washed, it will just show the contempt they have for this country and the rights of its people to protest, if they dont like it they should f**k off to arabia with the rest of the backward islamafists the house of saud
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NOT going into Bradford would be the mistake. I thought the whole point of the EDL was to highlight 'Radical Islam.'
So if the Muslims do kick off, that would prove the point that Islam is not the 'Religion of Peace'
Not to go in would be what this government are good at appeasing the Muslims.
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i've never been to bradford so i don't really know what the demographics are there, but i hear there are mainly islamic or 50/50. maybe that city needs 2000 plus patriots marching on the high street just to remind them what country this is, because it seems many have forgot. It is a peaceful march after all.
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We can get 3000+ again for Bradford I'm hoping! Not going to Bradford would be the mistake.
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the language being used in this thread worries me.

'the place is full of muslims and they should all fukk off back to saudi' and the like. I thoght the DL's was about highlighting the problem of radical islamists teaching violent jihad? this is just about paky bashing, pure and simple. the talk of 'its our town so we can go where we like' reeks of small minded bigotry. yes, its an english street, but theyre english so its thiers too. youre confusing race with nationality. they might look bangladeshi, but a huge number were born in Bradford.

march in there with this attitude and you will attract the bnp and nf and all the scummy racists and hooligans in the country. there will almost certainly be a riot, you will be held responsible, you will be added to the list of banned organisations and will have achieved nothing.
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The UAF are probably rubbing their filthy hands with glee at the prospect of the EDl showing up in Bradford. They will be out on the Streets whipping the locals into a frenzy (like they did in Birmingham) And you know the UAF will show up in huge numbers because they will assume 99% backing from the Muslim population of the City.

Unfortunately, I can only see serious disorder occurring. Even though it's well known, there are problems within the Muslim community and extremism in virtually every city, the UAF will use the excuse that the EDL is targeting moderate Muslims with their racism tactics.
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the language being used in this thread worries me.

'the place is full of muslims and they should all fukk off back to saudi' and the like. I thoght the DL's was about highlighting the problem of radical islamists teaching violent jihad? this is just about paky bashing, pure and simple. the talk of 'its our town so we can go where we like' reeks of small minded bigotry. yes, its an english street, but theyre english so its thiers too. youre confusing race with nationality. they might look bangladeshi, but a huge number were born in Bradford.

march in there with this attitude and you will attract the bnp and nf and all the scummy racists and hooligans in the country. there will almost certainly be a riot, you will be held responsible, you will be added to the list of banned organisations and will have achieved nothing.
Once again you put across another good and valid point cris
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The UAF/SWP are already in Bradford spreading racial hatred, they told a black member of EDL that the EDL were there to cause trouble with people of his race. Absolutely appalling, and also quite illegal.
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The UAF/SWP are already in Bradford spreading racial hatred, they told a black member of EDL that the EDL were there to cause trouble with people of his race. Absolutely appalling, and also quite illegal.
Yes tony it is but there no doubt that this will attract the neo-nazis so they wont care if there Black or Asian .

Tommy R has already admitted we attract these bone heads that wont to cause trouble and there nothing the E.D.L can do about it .We can turn a bind eye and say it wernt E.D.L members but they wont be there if there was no march .

Why give them the opportunity to bring the E.D.L down what is the end game
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Ok Charlie, lets say you are right and some boneheads will turn up. What do you suggest? We stop protesting and just give in? Get a grip mate
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The UAF/SWP are already in Bradford spreading racial hatred, they told a black member of EDL that the EDL were there to cause trouble with people of his race. Absolutely appalling, and also quite illegal.
Yes tony it is but there no doubt that this will attract the neo-nazis so they wont care if there Black or Asian .

Tommy R has already admitted we attract these bone heads that wont to cause trouble and there nothing the E.D.L can do about it .We can turn a bind eye and say it wernt E.D.L members but they wont be there if there was no march .

Why give them the opportunity to bring the E.D.L down what is the end game
So what we do rap up?coz said peeps can turn up anywhere manc,bolton,brum you name it.FFS this is our country,bradford is brittish,we are brittons .The reason we are in this mess is because our leaders started with oh we cant do that it may offend muslims,oh we cant do that it may cause civil unrest among minorities,oh we cant do that people will think were racist and look where this attitude has got us?Teetering on the edge of the abyss..........
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No, nobody is suggesting that you give up protesting, but maybe picking places like bradford isnt the way forward. everybody know whats going to happen there. the young blood of the muslim community will come out fired up and they will see the boneheads and BNP seig heiling and acting like arseholes and they will kick off. you would too. so will the police and the UAF.

the EDl shouldnt just be a reactionary group, its should be proactive. the leaders should go into places like bradford and open a dialogue with the muslim community and express your concerns. dont march in mob handed and give the nazis all the excuse and resources they need to start a race riot.

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Not saying stop protesting and give in but its not all about Bradford the bigger picture is the survival of the E.D.l we could get banned or have people leaving the E.D.L making way for the Bone heads to move what direction are we going the end of the E.D.L has we know it ? its a serious question
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bradford is going to get ugly at some stage you can believe that.
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i say we go where we want, nothing to be ashamed of nothing illeagle, if anyone oppose us then they have the problem.
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The islamist community believe in bradford that there is no problem with regards to islamist extremism ,the same goes for the local council,they have a very different outlook to our worries for UKGB and the inner city ghettos,
The problem exists,let's highlight it with this demo,the extremist problem will not go away,even if we got every single serviceman back in UKGB they would still find a problem to leach on to .I'm sick to death of any wavering,move aside,stop the limp wrist approach,get back behind you laptops and hold on to your hats,cos they need a lesson in compliance and respect of our way of life,I will respect them,no problem but they have a long way to go in my book.until then they have our full attention be it in bradford,bolton or blanaeu gwent.
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and bradford isnt a mistake , bradford is probably the worst place in this country to live for non muslims, if it spills into conflict then so be it, end of the day..... run and hide or fight ..... its come to this in bradford.
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and bradford isnt a mistake , bradford is probably the worst place in this country to live for non muslims, if it spills into conflict then so be it, end of the day..... run and hide or fight ..... its come to this in bradford.
So Bradford to be are Battle ground or grave yard :(
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Not going to Bradford is a victory for militant islam.
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The EDL will be going into an area that is full of islamic extremists, isn't that the point of the EDL?. We will do so with full cooperation from the Police/system. If the demo gets given the go-ahead then it will be a legal demo. As long as we have a security team that can ensure everyone is on their best behaviour then it won't be our problem, it will be the systems. As for UAF who wil no doubt be stirring plenty of s**t, monitor them and record what we can and present it to the OB and press prior to the event.

Stick to the rules and law and those intent on trouble will be dealt with by the OB.
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i've had enough of all the bollox that we shouldnt go to bradford! well, dont come then, bradford is a hotbed of islamic extremism and i can gaurantee you it has at least one sharia court. now i dont know about you but as far as i'm concerned this land has its own laws and values and they certainly aint islamic. now if you feel that going to bradford is going to turn nasty, then you have lost the will to fight for what is right and just in this land. i'm going to bradford because bradford is aan english city, not an islamic one and i'm going there to show solidarity with my bradford brothers and show that they aint forgotten in this fight. we are also going there to show the peoples of england, ulster, scotland and wales that the tide is turning. no more will the people who uphold british values be walked over and trodden on by those that govern us. you cant be fighting extremism in one country only to let take hold in our own. the time is here, stand up and be counted, then you'll look back one day and sya yeah, i was there, i was part of that, we helped bring about change for the better. no one likes to fight but there comes a time when you have to fight, you have to draw a line and say no more will we take this betrayal of this once great country. now if you doubt bradford dont go, you obviously aint that dedicated to the cause. someone mentioned commitment, well i to have those i have a family, a wife a 2 beautiful daughters, but i'll be in bradford still, i'll be showing those that appose our way of life that i will confront them head-on, cos this is my country not theres! i am english and england is my home and i will fight the fight for her and all that she holds dear.
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Why shouldn't we go to Bradford? Because some Muslims will start on us? That will just prove our whole point further. Not going to Bradford because we could be offending some Muslims is just so PC its unreal, we are not the bloody Government. We should go wherever we want to go. NF and BNP can turn up wherever, if you see some muppet doing a nazi salute or being racist, let some of the leaders know and get a few lads together and kick him out of the demo. They can't ban the EDL, this is our homeland and we will fight for it.
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I definitely agree that Bradford should be one of the key target cities for a peaceful protest by the EDL. However, it's pretty obvious to anyone that it's a potential massive tinderbox with the huge Muslim community there and the race riot history the area has.

Someone commented earlier that the protest has been announced too early and I also agree that given the amount of notice they have, sadly, the authorities will do everything in their power to find some way of stopping this demo going ahead.
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Let them try to stop it, they can't. We are allowed to hold a static protest, no matter what, so forget about them, we protest where and when we want.
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The Human Rights Act 1998 provision for rights to protest (Articles 10 freedom of expression & 11 freedom of assembly) are only 'qualified' not absolute rights.

If an authority can prove that the limitation of a right, is justified as necessary to protect some important general public interest, such as prevention of disorder, public safety etc then convention rights can be suspended.
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oliver1
Feb 19 2010, 02:52 PM
The Human Rights Act 1998 provision for rights to protest (Articles 10 freedom of expression & 11 freedom of assembly) are only 'qualified' not absolute rights.

If an authority can prove that the limitation of a right, is justified as necessary to protect some important general public interest, such as prevention of disorder, public safety etc then convention rights can be suspended.
Only the home secretary has the right to stop a static protest, the police told me that themselves.
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Tony Williamson
Feb 19 2010, 02:55 PM
oliver1
Feb 19 2010, 02:52 PM
The Human Rights Act 1998 provision for rights to protest (Articles 10 freedom of expression & 11 freedom of assembly) are only 'qualified' not absolute rights.

If an authority can prove that the limitation of a right, is justified as necessary to protect some important general public interest, such as prevention of disorder, public safety etc then convention rights can be suspended.
Only the home secretary has the right to stop a static protest, the police told me that themselves.
And you don't think the Home Secretary is going to want to avoid a repeat of the Bradford riots just before a general election?
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beer is gud
Feb 19 2010, 02:46 PM
Let them try to stop it, they can't.
They can do anything they want but they have to be seen to be acting properly. Upto now they haven't been able to do a thing as they're terrified the disaffected white working classes will sympathise, realise they are losing their identity and actually start voting again. I am just not sure if Bradford will give them the excuse or not to act, similar in the way Wootton did for Choudary. The EDL has brought a lot of people together who wouldn't normally associate, any debris from the EDL being proscribed would be scattered.
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VillaLoyal
Feb 19 2010, 02:57 PM
They can do anything they want
No. They can't.

This is still a free country and we still have the right to protest.
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