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Good or Bad... Sign for edinburgh and maybe London
Topic Started: Feb 16 2010, 08:56 PM (506 Views)
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I've started working on a sign for demos.

"Islam is not a race. So how are we racists?"

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It will be finished in black and Islam and the word "NOT" in red.
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Excellent.

Arthur.
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I like it mate. Did you do it yourself?
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its taken him since september to do that. haha
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Feb 16 2010, 09:31 PM
I like it mate. Did you do it yourself?
Yeah, Thought it would be good.

Still on the first part, just colouring it in.... I love colouring in! lmfao :D :D :D

Theres loads more I'm going to draw up and maybe take some down to london. I'll see.


All depends if i can be @r$ed. :D :D
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Feb 16 2010, 09:39 PM
its taken him since september to do that. haha
SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO TELL ANYONE!

Plus i hate drawing, prefer colouring in :D :D :wub:
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ever heard of 'cultural racism?' the new bullshit term that expands the definition beyond anything a word should reasonably be expected to take
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Feb 16 2010, 09:43 PM
ever heard of 'cultural racism?' the new bulls**t term that expands the definition beyond anything a word should reasonably be expected to take
Tzipi is thinking 's**t iv got to change the whole f**king sign now' :P ''islam is NOT a cultural race''
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Islam is a cult dressed up as a religion.
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Feb 16 2010, 09:48 PM
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Feb 16 2010, 09:43 PM
ever heard of 'cultural racism?' the new bulls**t term that expands the definition beyond anything a word should reasonably be expected to take
Tzipi is thinking 's**t iv got to change the whole f**king sign now' :P ''islam is NOT a cultural race''
Ah but they dont call us cultural racists.

They call us Racists and Naziz - which i find offensive being jewish

Plus if the EDL was a nazi group, i would have kicked off the forum, tracked down and hanged.



Plus i aint changing s**t, like a said they dont call us cultural racists...
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ah no, they call us racists. but according to the prevailing leftist orthodoxy, racism can be either biological or cultural.
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good looking sign ;)
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Thanks guys! :D :D

First part done... ready for taping

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looking good ;)
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Look forward to seeing it in London :)
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i would keep it at that to be honest
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thanks guys.

I'm just keeping it at way, its fine.

They will get the point.
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FINISHED!!! :D :D :D

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Tzipi5770 you must be a female as ma mrs has a banner saying"sex is not a race so why are you finished allready" lol I know off topic
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Feb 16 2010, 09:43 PM
ever heard of 'cultural racism?' the new bulls**t term that expands the definition beyond anything a word should reasonably be expected to take
Ever heard of bigotry? its just one word. Or how about facism?
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I like the way you done Islam.
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Thanks, I thought it suited the word. Bloody and violent religion.


Lmao, funny that I am a female.... Oh wait let me check...... Yeah I am :D
just wanted to make sure :D

cool so if people like it, I'll us it on Saturday :P
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Nice bed covers.

Biological racism,fairplay.
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Thanks, its dark brown on the other side :D


Someone was saying something about cultural and biological racism, but i had already started writing the sign by then.

But its still ok right? I dont want to look even more of a f@nny
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Good work.just a bit to much info on your bed laundry cycle.
Hold it high and shout out loud,
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LMAO, i just mean the pattern is brown on the other side!
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Feb 16 2010, 09:39 PM
its taken him since september to do that. haha
One small stroke of the pen at a time.
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Feb 16 2010, 09:39 PM
its taken him since september to do that. haha
One small stroke of the pen at a time.
Stop being jealous of my work :P
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Tzipi5770
Feb 16 2010, 08:56 PM
I've started working on a sign for demos.

"Islam is not a race. So how are we racists?"

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It will be finished in black and Islam and the word "NOT" in red.
Bad.


The media will immediately take it to mean that you hate muslims, and considering it's not a race, you are somehow excusing yourself.


In fact it's very bad and is exactly the sort of thing that the UAF types will be on the look-out for to try and discredit the EDL.


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It's very good mate. Bring em to London too!
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So how does that sign fit in with the EDL's official stance that we are against extremists and not all Muslims?
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Feb 17 2010, 12:41 PM
LMAO, i just mean the pattern is brown on the other side!
Oops.excellent posters for demo,keep up your good work
Enjoy yourself on Saturday.and take care young lady.
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Feb 17 2010, 03:30 PM
So how does that sign fit in with the EDL's official stance that we are against extremists and not all Muslims?
Yeah but its a point that has to be made still. Anyways islam IS extreme but not all of its followers are. Thats just straight up truth.
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Feb 17 2010, 03:30 PM
So how does that sign fit in with the EDL's official stance that we are against extremists and not all Muslims?
Its all a matter of interpretation.fact ,islam is not a race ,its a cult.uaf oppose us even in our aims of exposing the extremists,the sharia is a fundermental part of islam ,we campaign against that ,what does that make us.
I'm sure you have ideas for banner designs ,I don't .give the lady a break and stand with her on Saturday shouting out loud why you oppose the sharia etc ..
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Feb 17 2010, 03:50 PM
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Feb 17 2010, 03:30 PM
So how does that sign fit in with the EDL's official stance that we are against extremists and not all Muslims?
Yeah but its a point that has to be made still. Anyways islam IS extreme but not all of its followers are. Thats just straight up truth.
Right I understand that mate but placards such as;

Criticism of suicide bombing is not racist
Criticism of forced marriage is not racist
Criticism at those who promote hate speech is not racist

These are probably far more effective than a sign which can and will alienate people, especially those Muslims who are law abiding. Also it just gives ammunition to our enemies if we lump all of the Muslims together. In my humble opinion we will attract more numbers with such an approach.
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Feb 17 2010, 03:57 PM
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So how does that sign fit in with the EDL's official stance that we are against extremists and not all Muslims?
Its all a matter of interpretation.fact ,islam is not a race ,its a cult.uaf oppose us even in our aims of exposing the extremists,the sharia is a fundermental part of islam ,we campaign against that ,what does that make us.
I'm sure you have ideas for banner designs ,I don't .give the lady a break and stand with her on Saturday shouting out loud why you oppose the sharia etc ..
If we stick to the point that Islam is a cult then we shouldn't go around saying that we are against extremists, because we just addressed them as a whole. I've met and talked to plenty of Muslims who don't want Sharia, heck it's not even implemented in the bulk of Muslim states.

I put my ideas for banner designs in my previous post and apologies to the good lady, i didn't mean to pick on her sign, just recommend a better ways of going about things.
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Good signs.. How about "People have Rights, Ideas don't"
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holy crap, i've started a sign war.... :S
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Feb 17 2010, 04:22 PM
holy crap, i've started a sign war.... :S
My signs are better than yours. :D

Just something that we could think about my friend, I did not intend to cause any offence.

Shalom. ;)
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Well... mine there coloured in by magic crayons :P :P :P (not really)


I think i'll leave it at home now.

Edited by Tzipi5770, Feb 17 2010, 04:45 PM.
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Feb 17 2010, 03:59 PM
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Feb 17 2010, 03:50 PM

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Right I understand that mate but placards such as;

Criticism of suicide bombing is not racist
Criticism of forced marriage is not racist
Criticism at those who promote hate speech is not racist

These are probably far more effective than a sign which can and will alienate people, especially those Muslims who are law abiding. Also it just gives ammunition to our enemies if we lump all of the Muslims together. In my humble opinion we will attract more numbers with such an approach.
Spot on.



If that sign ends up in the papers I can only see it causing confusion at best and complete ridicule/accusations of all sorts.



It's a hard slogan to defend against a skeptic. I don't even see what point it's trying to make tbh.
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the EDL is against islamic extremist and they left call us racist... and other things....
But Islam is not a race. If we were the KKK than, yes i would see the point in call us racists. but we're not because Islam is not a race.

Anyway. i'm not taking because you f**king put me off now. (no offense)
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Islamists not wanting the sharia,I can't see it.its all in the package.
I will take a look at your banner ideas,its good we have proactive people on here,I could even come up with an answer to a caption contest nevermind an all important vehicle we travel on.
I know what you are saying and needs careful wording so we don't get tagged by uaf etc ,but the man in the street says as he sees .
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Islamists not wanting the sharia,I can't see it.its all in the package.
I will take a look at your banner ideas,its good we have proactive people on here,I could even come up with an answer to a caption contest nevermind an all important vehicle we travel on.
I know what you are saying and needs careful wording so we don't get tagged by uaf etc ,but the man in the street says as he sees .
I couldn't really care about the UAF, it's the point about the man on the street mate. People run a mile or just don't pay attention to something they are not comfortable with. Now being the tolerant, peace loving society we ,are add to the that the media machine, such sings won't click with joe average and they will perceive us to be hostile/nasty/bigoted whatever. That is what we need to work on. Once that breakthrough is made we can expect many to flood to our cause. This way we also silence the protests against us and ask people to show us where we are bigoted as our signs don't say so :P.
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Tzipi5770 take your sign,dont bother about other people thinkin its a bad idea I think its sound,plus the fact your actually going rather than sitting on your arse reading how things develope says a lot for you,BRING THE SIGN
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take your sign i'm sure hmfc and clockwork will make sure nothing happens to you ;)
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Bad.


The media will immediately take it to mean that you hate muslims, and considering it's not a race, you are somehow excusing yourself.


In fact it's very bad and is exactly the sort of thing that the UAF types will be on the look-out for to try and discredit the EDL.


[/quote]Bit OTT I think!

Does not state he hates muslims anywhere on it.

I think its fine as it is and make its point well.

If you want to make it better understood then it would take too many words and would then be a rubbish sign.
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Feb 18 2010, 03:01 AM
Bit OTT I think!

Does not state he hates muslims anywhere on it.

I think its fine as it is and make its point well.

If you want to make it better understood then it would take too many words and would then be a rubbish sign.
What's the point in saying Islam is not a race then?

It's directly putting across that we oppose Islam. Which, as far as I've always been concerned, is untrue, as we're only against Islamic extremism, yeah?

I've already been completely stumped at trying to defend a sign saying something along the lines of "betraying your race is treason" (WTF?!?!) and it'll be just as hard for anyone to defend this.

"IT'S NOT RACIST TO OPPOSE ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS" = great
"EXTREME ISLAM IS NOT A RACE" = fine
"ISLAM IS NOT A RACE, SO HOW CAN WE BE RACIST" = confusing, possibly even inciteful, and definitely easy to chuck accusations at

I'm looking in from an outsider's point of view, and if I were an outsider, that would not attract me to the EDL in the slightest.
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ok what about
" Islamic Extremists Want To Kill Jews, Just Like Hitler. And You Call Us Facists?" ?????

And What about if I put extreme above Islam on the old one????
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The sign is just stating a self evident fact – “Islam is not a race”, there is nothing wrong with that! Criticising those who state the truth illustrates rather well how far into the abyss our society has descended.

If anarchists want to read more into it then it is their problem. It is important that we do not let the antifa-types manipulate our language and control the meaning of words. Many on the left try to control the meaning of words to further their own political goals. They have tried to expand the meaning of racism to cover just about anything that their political opponents are likely to say. In so-doing they have debased the noble and justified cause of anti-racism and done it a great disservice. It is quite justified, and indeed necessary, to point this out. As long as there are people who use the word racist against those who question Islam, there will always be a need for people to stand up with signs stating the obvious to such simpletons. Is a Christian slave from Sudan a racist if he complains that his master is following the example of Mohammad by keeping him captive?

People have the right to criticise Islam in the same way as they have to criticise any philosophy. If you criticise ‘The Republic’ by Plato it does not mean that you are critic of every individual who admires his work, and it does not mean that you are critic of Plato himself as a human being.
Geert Wilders makes an important distinction. He says that there are moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as moderate Islam. After all there is not a moderate and extreme version of the Koran, just the Koran. Watch Wilders say it: http://www.libertiesalliance.org/2009/11/12/geer-wilders’-warning-to-america/
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