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| ironshanks | Feb 12 2010, 12:44 PM Post #1 |
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Once again it is that loverrrrly man from South Africa's birthday. Oh sorry,that lovely 'black' man's birthday. This pig of a man planted bombs and indiscriminately blew people to pieces, I cannot find anything on the net about it or on wikipedia or on youtube. On wikipedia they do mention that he wanted to have a bombing campaign against things like government targets such as post offices etc where no civilians would get hurt. But conveniently forgetting to mention the people who were splattered all over the pavements by his bombs,though there was a mention that he did at some point admit that the ANC carried out human rights violations. What a big man. Though when it came to the truth and reconciliation trials the ANC tried to with hold that information. I can not wait to watch the brit government celebrate Michael Stone's birthday. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 12:49 PM Post #2 |
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Is that bit at the start where you say he's a lovely 'black' man meant in a racist context because if so that's not acceptable mate. Either way Nelson Mandella is a hero, he was fighting for the majority in South Africa, as you said he was aiming not to hurt civilians unlike these Muslim bombers that we protest against. Mandella is a great man, a great thinker, you have to ask yourself, what campaign ever succeded through peaceful protest? |
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Mandellas charges. • One count under the South African Suppression of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that the accused committed acts calculated to further the achievement of the objective of communism; • One count of contravening the South African Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any person from soliciting or receiving any money or articles for the purpose of achieving organized defiance of laws and country; and • Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding or procuring the commission of the following acts: 1) The further recruitment of persons for instruction and training, both within and outside the Republic of South Africa, in: (a) the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives—for the purpose of committing acts of violence and destruction in the aforesaid Republic, (the preparation and manufacture of explosives, according to evidence submitted, included 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder and a ton of black powder); (b) the art of warfare, including guerrilla warfare, and military training generally for the purpose in the aforesaid Republic; (ii) Further acts of violence and destruction, (this includes 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963); (iii) Acts of guerrilla warfare in the aforesaid Republic; (iv) Acts of assistance to military units of foreign countries when involving the aforesaid Republic; (v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused, injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed, with or endangered: (a) the health or safety of the public; (b) the maintenance of law and order; (c) the supply and distribution of light, power or fuel; (d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations; (e) the free movement of traffic on land; and (f) the property, movable or immovable, of other persons or of the state. http://plaintruthmagazine.blogspot.com/2008/06/stop-terrorist-nelson-mandela.html |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 12:50 PM Post #4 |
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So was bobby sands a hero then? |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 12:51 PM Post #5 |
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worked for gandhi |
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| ironshanks | Feb 12 2010, 12:58 PM Post #6 |
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The woed racist can be used by people if they wish. It was a dig at how some 'whites' suck his cock because he is black. I prefer Steev Biko to mandela. He fought for the same as mandela but did not like the bleeding heart white liberalists and did not resort to blowing people to pieces. Mandela was a cnut. So was that bitch of a wife of his. Like michael stone he should never have been let out of prison. I think there is nothing brave in planting bombs and walking away. The only fear he has to live with is getting caught. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 01:06 PM Post #7 |
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Charles; many of the charges bought against Mandella were either made up or exaggerated. Thou many are understandable if you were in his position. I dont know very much on Bobby Sands mate sorry. Villa; I dont think it did work for Ghandi, if you look at the peaceful protest used by Martin Luther King Jr. in getting civil rights in USA, that never worked, it was only when threatened with the Nation of Islam under Malcolm X and the Black Panthers that the USA government buckled. I know what you mean about Whites sucking his balls because hes blakc; that is racism in itself. I prefer Biko as well. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 01:09 PM Post #8 |
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Ultimatly you're either for him or against him. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter and in this mans opinion he's a terrorist. Oh and I couldn't care if he was white black yellow or pink. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 01:22 PM Post #9 |
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He would have been out a lot sooner if he'd renounced violence and terrorism, but he refused to do so. Some good comments on this page giving a fairly unbiased view. http://www.nowpublic.com/world/nelson-mandela-20-years-freedom-2573592.html |
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| made in England | Feb 12 2010, 01:43 PM Post #10 |
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That so called hero was responsible amongst other things of planting a roadside bomb that sent a school bus off a cliff into a ravine killing all the kids on board but hey they were only white kids and of very little significance and very typical of this country to class a murdering terrorist as a freedom fighter |
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"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!" Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished Midsomer the last great bastion of Englishness ....Brian True-May Werian se Angelcynn | |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 01:51 PM Post #11 |
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You have to ask yourself what you are doing in the EDL campaign if you think that violence and murder are the only way to succeed. |
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| made in England | Feb 12 2010, 02:12 PM Post #12 |
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That Red bastard Harold Wilson and his cronies labeled South Africa's leader Ian Smith as a tyrant and actually the fact is he was a war hero, he flew spitfires in world war two and took part in the Battle of Britain and later on in the war was shot down by German anti aircraft fire. Wilson despised Smith because of hes valiant background compared to Wilson's pen pushing desk job during the war. I agree with what Ian Smith believed that white rule was paramount to secure and maintain law and order. Mandela and the ANC were pro communist in which Smith was totally against. Smith was right about the former Rhodesia and has since been proved correct regarding the rest of South Africa. I could go on a lot more regarding the plight of the Afrikaners and how theyre being systematically butchered by Mandellas free South Africans |
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"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!" Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished Midsomer the last great bastion of Englishness ....Brian True-May Werian se Angelcynn | |
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| FreedomFry | Feb 12 2010, 02:17 PM Post #13 |
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Surely a man can be both a terrorist and a freedom fighter if he is using terrorism to fight for freedom. Terrorism is just a method. It says nothing about the validity of the cause it is being used for. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 02:34 PM Post #14 |
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*cough* Rhodesia. |
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| made in England | Feb 12 2010, 02:36 PM Post #15 |
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It must be lovely living in your fairy tale inspired world where the whites know their place as the aggressors and the non whites can do no wrong. Heres another enlightening example or should i say a myth busting fact regarding the New Black Messiah, oh sorry i meant President Obama, the first American black president the most powerful man in the world the answer to all our prayers the dawn of a new age Our salvation Our savior, Nobel prize winner etc etc bloody etc. The truth is unfortunately for Mr Barak Obama he is already a victim of his own hype, mania or whatever you wish to call it |
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"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!" Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished Midsomer the last great bastion of Englishness ....Brian True-May Werian se Angelcynn | |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 02:37 PM Post #16 |
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apartheid was wrong. but it is true that he is looked on as a hero, when in truth he has a very dubious past. i agree with what he was trying to achieve, but not how he went about it. |
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| made in England | Feb 12 2010, 02:45 PM Post #17 |
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Yes of course Rhodesia but Smith did have some influence over South Africa thats until it all went tits up for the country that is. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 02:47 PM Post #18 |
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Will we have that crack hore Amy Crackhouse and the rest of the so called pop 'stars' on a stage singing 'ohhhhhhhhhhhh, Nelson Mandela' |
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| Jethro | Feb 12 2010, 03:50 PM Post #19 |
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South Africa and Zimbabwe are much safer places to live nowadays and far more prosperous......
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 04:06 PM Post #20 |
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it will eventually come to a fight if the politicians dont listen |
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| germanic | Feb 12 2010, 04:43 PM Post #21 |
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The ANC didn't represent the traditional black community of South Africa, just the mass commie rabble. And why no mention of the ANC's liberating neckless policy(burnt alive via a tyre smoothered in petrol) as used against the proud and respected Zulu community. ANC/IRA/ETA = in the eyes of the left loveable feedom fighters, to me they're s**t that should've been wiped out. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 05:11 PM Post #22 |
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In my 'fairy tale' world as you put it, we are all equal. I don't distinguish people by colour, I distinguish them by culture and religion. Im a big fan of Obama actually, he has some good ideas; just most of the american people are too stupid to see. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 05:17 PM Post #23 |
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I am with the EDL because I agree almost entirely with the cause, but the EDL campaign is not anything that will achieve anything significant, the best thing it can do is build numbers to attempt to pressure the government that isn't listening; but its public opinion that matters. No one will listen to you if you protest peacefully, because you are not causing trouble and are having little effect on the world. Violence and murder is not how I would like it to be you understand, but thats what it will come too; just not at the hands of the EDL. We have to wait for the break up of the BNP... |
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| MikellEDL | Feb 12 2010, 05:24 PM Post #24 |
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To settle this debate ; - It's agreed that people understand he wanted to liberate the black/white devide and be treated fairly. - We all agree that his methods were affective but not the best way to go about it. - We all agree his aggreisve negotations were powerful and made a bold statement in which made him more famous than would have been. - Being racist towards him just proved the point that he didn't really stop racism around the world, just made people aware that he didn't like it. (This isn't a racist bash, I'm not racist.) Care to add a point? Post below. ![]() Regards, 'MikellEDL |
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| RDG | Feb 12 2010, 07:40 PM Post #25 |
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A strong debate amounst you, but a debate that I dont have much to offer as i,m not on the same level! However, lets assume that Islamification of Great Briton was a fact and we have been living under Islamic doctrine for some years. Then "Joe Bloggs" turns up and does a "Mandella". When Joe becomes the "saviour" of Great Briton and restores it to it,s former self, we will honour him as the ONE man who saved us ect ect. But "Joe" will never, EVER get there without bloodshed and the means to cause that bloodshed to enable us to get our country back. But, we will "all hail" him for what he did, no matter what blood he has on his hands. Does that make any sence? Maybe I should shut the f--k up! |
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| Englishlions | Feb 12 2010, 08:06 PM Post #26 |
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I dont know alot about nelson mandella, i certainly didnt know of his terrorist past. And to be honest how people in government put him on a pedestal as a hero is pathetic. They may aswell state gerry adams and mr mguiness as heroes and put statues up of them in london. I hate this government and everything they stand for. Theres only one word for them and those hell bent on lauding people like mandella, allowing 2 ira terrorists to sit around a table as politicians and thats SCUM! |
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| trig | Feb 12 2010, 08:33 PM Post #27 |
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Dont think theres any way on earth Mandella (a hero) can be compared to the scum of Adams and McGuiness. I know they say one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, but the IRA were f**king scum of the highest order who indiscriminately targeted civilians and military alike. f**king dirty scum. Makes me sick to this day when I see either of the c**ts on TV. Not forgetting Gerry's brother is a f**king peado or sumin, and McGuiness started Bloody Sunday. Hang em all in my opinion. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 12 2010, 08:51 PM Post #28 |
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Martin luther kings none violent protesting did make the difference as the pressure that he was putting on government culminated in the 1964 civil rights act whereas the black panthers were not founded till 66 and the nation of islam only had 25,000 members MLK took 10 times that many people to the march on washington in 1963 |
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| BlackBrit | Feb 12 2010, 09:19 PM Post #29 |
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Mandella had balls, not many people have! Not saying what he done was right but how many people here are prepared to risk decades in prison for a cause that was morally right? |
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| Jethro | Feb 13 2010, 02:50 AM Post #30 |
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This page is well worth reading Mandela - The "Great Statesman" http://www.realnews247.com/how_to_be_a_good_communist.htm |
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| charlie | Feb 13 2010, 04:09 AM Post #31 |
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Its funny how people can call nelsion because he was black and fighting for his country anyone remmber the brits fighting the same white people for that land in the Boar wars |
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| The Templar | Feb 13 2010, 05:12 AM Post #32 |
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Great, those boar wars! did the pigs win? I think Mandela is so great we should erect a statue to him in our country. Indeed, take the rabble rousers from all over the world, especially crackpot countries, and lets put up statues to them in front of Buckingham Palace. According to the God Trevor Phillips, it is the Turks who we are to thank for beating the Spanish Armada. Lets erect a statue for Turkey right next to Nelson's Mandela Column. |
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It was not what they were after thou in their civil rights act, and at no time Martin Luther King Jr. directly asked for it did he get it |
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| made in England | Feb 13 2010, 12:59 PM Post #34 |
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Is this the statue you are imagining the one in which has already been erected in his honour. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/uk_enl_1188390457/html/1.stm What puzzles me is why there is a statue of him in our country in the first place, hes certainly no British national and done nothing for Britain. In my opinion he has not deserved the right to honoured in our country in such a way. Regarding the Boer(Afrikaans) war and did the pigs win? Yes the so called pigs did win in the first Boer war they kicked the s**t out of the British, not bad for a bunch of farmers aye? In the second conflict the only way the British could truly beat the Boers was to enforce a scorched earth policy and of course introduce the First concentration camps in which over 25,000 women and children perished due to starvation and disease. Due to the fact the white Afrikaners are mainly of German and Dutch descent Germany very nearly came into the conflict in support of them, this could have been the start of the Great war over a decade earlier. For those reasons Germany decided not to engage but did supply the Boers with the Mauser the first self loading rifle in which they mastered with perfection. However regarding what my country did to those people because of the British lust for gold and diamonds disgusts me and this is one part of British history that im not particularly proud of. Edited by made in England, Feb 13 2010, 01:07 PM.
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"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!" Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished Midsomer the last great bastion of Englishness ....Brian True-May Werian se Angelcynn | |
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| made in England | Feb 13 2010, 01:28 PM Post #35 |
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Yes i agree in a perfect world everyone would be equal but im afraid in the cold reality of the real world this is not so. In the class system for instance the upper classes do not regard the lower classes as equals or vice versa. Muslims whether radical or not do not regard anyone other than other Muslims as equals. |
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| ImperialEmperor | Feb 13 2010, 03:28 PM Post #36 |
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We were fighting a guerilla war. Concentration camps and ruthlessness is the only real way to win a insurgency conflict. The only reason people died is because those particular camps were badly run and were meant to be a more Temperary measure at the time. Regarding Nelson Mandela, that man is a fraud. He blew up supermarkets full of innocent people to futher his conflict. He was fighting a war, SA should have treat him like he was. I say he's a war criminal and should have been hung instead of making him into this International "Saint" which he's evolved into now. If you want a Real International Civil rights "Saint" look at Martin Luther King, the more I read about him, the more I like him. Peaceful, driven and a nice guy. |
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| ImperialEmperor | Feb 13 2010, 03:34 PM Post #37 |
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That one thing what I never understood. Why the f**k were most of Sinn Fein not put infront of a firing squad? Does this not give off the wrong image that terrorism works? by agreeing powersharing "Deals" with convicted Terrorists as we are doing in NI. |
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| e72k | Feb 13 2010, 03:54 PM Post #38 |
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Yeah maybe I'm alone in this but if I was part of a huge majority which was treated as (literally) subhuman by a foreign minority, I'd be a bit pissed off too. Just a thought. As for MLK he's a hero of the last century. If anyone actually had the slightest idea of how different certain parts of the USA were then to how they are now they wouldn't even think about criticising him. If we had people today with half the convictions of men like him the world would be a better place. I've got nothing but absolute 100% respect for the man and all he stood for and I've got no idea how anyone can think any differently. |
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| germanic | Feb 13 2010, 04:18 PM Post #39 |
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Well said mate, completely agree. I've seen many images of the concentration camps, women and children, and it truely was a disgusting crime. |
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So regarding Concentration camps and ruthlessness do you think the Nazis were justified in using these tactics at their disposal or does the justification only apply and reserved for the British only? Regarding the terrorist Mandela yes he should have been strung up instead of honoured |
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| made in England | Feb 13 2010, 04:22 PM Post #41 |
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Yes Germanic they are truly terrible and shocking scenes arnt they. Hard to believe sometimes that my country was responsible for such a vile act, im amazed the South Afrikaans ever forgave us |
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"Our ancestors took this land. They took it and made it and held it. We do not give up what our ancestors gave us. They came across the sea and they fought here, and they built here and they're buried here. This is our land, mixed with our blood, strengthened with our bone. Ours!" Nations which go down fighting rise again, those who surrender tamely are finished Midsomer the last great bastion of Englishness ....Brian True-May Werian se Angelcynn | |
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| ImperialEmperor | Feb 13 2010, 04:39 PM Post #42 |
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No the Nazi's made Death camps, They corrupted the idea and what they did was totally wrong. Against the Boers we used the "Concentration Camps " as leverage against the Commandos, by filling it full of their woman and Children. Its wrong that people died in there but there no denying its effectiveness against the Boers. War is hell, you play by the rules and you get no where. Our ancestors got no where when they walked towards German trenches playing by the "Eton rules of war" in WW1. If more "Ruthless" methods like this were implanted in places like Afg. against the Extremists things might get better. |
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| germanic | Feb 13 2010, 04:44 PM Post #43 |
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I don't think the Afrikaaners have fully forgiven us, or should I say British Empire, they're still waiting for an apology from the Queen (head of state). We have politicians and the political elite denouncing our history at every given opportunity but there is a deafening silence when it comes to this chapter.
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| ImperialEmperor | Feb 13 2010, 04:47 PM Post #44 |
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Its terrible that the Political Elite seem so ashamed of our Past, always grovelling about past wrongs. Its Like the Slavery rebate. Looks like we will have to start paying Africian countries in the future because of the Crimes of our Great- great- great- great grandfathers. |
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| made in England | Feb 13 2010, 06:18 PM Post #45 |
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I wasnt referring to the Death camps but the numerous concentration camps that were set up. The British whom are supposed to be renowned for their fairness of the rules of engagement took the war to their enemies defenceless women and children because that was the only way they could beat their more than worthy opponents The British took away and destroyed everything the Boers were fighting for. Yes war is hell but why is it always the fact that atrocities inflicted by the victorious always go unrecognized? In my opinion the victors highlight and make apparent their enemies war crimes to hide their own. The Victors will always have the luxury of writing their own history |
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| hops | Feb 13 2010, 06:23 PM Post #46 |
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mandela was defending his country.if anjems lot got in and we resisted like mamdela what would we be? heros to our cause but terrorists to anjem.ira targetted civillians i remember brum bombs pretty well.murdering criminals. |
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Yes Britian did have concentration camps, and we did have slavery, and we did a lot of other horrible things like rape and pilage in trying to secure and gain a bigger British empire. But so did most other european nations, it was just we were better at it. It doesn't make it right but it's the truth. Read this (below) about the British concentration camps, there is two sides to every story. http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=188119
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| charlie | Feb 13 2010, 06:38 PM Post #48 |
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correct dint we also starve to death over a Million people in India. Like you said the victor writes the history books |
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The liberal/apologist always rewrites them, and they're the ones people believe. |
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| made in England | Feb 13 2010, 07:05 PM Post #50 |
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Im no way saying that we the people of today are responsible for the atrocious acts of the past that would be just plain ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as blaming the German people of today for the Holocaust etc even though some people may disagree with me |
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Feliz Navidad (Gold) created by Sarah & Delirium of the ZNR











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