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Should the EDL Leadership Announce an Official Demo Outside the House of Lords on March 5th in Support of Geert Wilders, Even if it Means Re-Scheduling Bolton??
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10,000 Muslims in London Protest - 5th March - Are you Going?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2010, 05:22 PM (3,307 Views)
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Lord Nazir Ahmed, a total scumbag Muslim peer, has promised to mobilise 10,000 Muslims to block Geert Wilders from entering the House of Lords on the 5th of March. Mr Wilders has accepted an invitation from Lord Pearson of Rannoch, the leader of UKIP, and Baroness Cox, a crossbench peer, to show his film 'Fitna' in the Palace of Westminster on March 5th.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7129742/Geert-Wilders-to-test-British-free-speech-with-anti-Muslim-film-screening.html

With an opposition like this will the EDL re-organise and concentrate all resources in an official demo to support Mr Wilders and oppose these 10,000 Muslim psychos!?

Geert Wilders is the hero of European freedom and he needs our support. If you remember the videos of the protests by angry Muslim extremists the last time he was here, then can you use your imagination to envisage 10,000 of them being fought off by the EDL?

Are the EDL going to stand for this fcukin' sh!t x 10,000:



There is at least one Facebook group organising a demonstration to support Geert Wilders:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=273180898914

It would be perfect if the EDL were to join in and stand there on the 5th to support and defend Geert Wilders in front of the worlds media. The world will be watching, let's show them what we stand for!!

So, should the EDL leadership announce an official demonstration outside the House of Lords on March 5th in support of Geert Wilders, even if it means re-scheduling Bolton??
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The rat said that last time, and the cowards in parliament caved in like a load of little 'cup cakes' they really all are. Fortunately, the courts overturned their cowardly decision. Let him bring his 10,000 freaks, it will be a good wake up call for the country to see these rats in action. Furthermore, they will begin to understand what the EDL are all about.
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Eventually Geert Wilders video will become common knowledge in UK when the 10,000 muslims descend on the house of lords. The UK is also being awoken and the 10,000 muslims will awaken them and when the UK want to know why the Muslims are there, the Lion will start to awake.

Its only my opinion and just like Islam4UK they will shoot themselves in the foot and Bolton should be the priority. I would say try not to be drawn into the mass muslim gathering, it could be just a diversion tactic to cancel Bolton so you will focus on the 10,000 claimed muslims which could create another PR disaster for the EDL

It is certainly interesting how much momentum of things is now starting to gear up a notch.
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I don't think he can produce that many, I bet a hundred max.

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This man is supposed to be a Lord and he is going to encourage thousands of vile scum onto our streets of London and have them all shout hatred and riot because somebody has an opinion they don't agree with?

Why is this man even a Lord?!
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Feb 2 2010, 06:10 PM
This man is supposed to be a Lord and he is going to encourage thousands of vile scum onto our streets of London and have them all shout hatred and riot because somebody has an opinion they don't agree with?

Why is this man even a Lord?!
have you not noticed that labour is in power?
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This man is supposed to be a Lord and he is going to encourage thousands of vile scum onto our streets of London and have them all shout hatred and riot because somebody has an opinion they don't agree with?

Why is this man even a Lord?!
Well if the Muslims kick off then i hope he is arrested as it is just asking for trouble.
I really hope the Army where on patrol as 10000 Muslims is a lot and they need to be dealt with.
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Feb 2 2010, 06:11 PM
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Feb 2 2010, 06:10 PM
This man is supposed to be a Lord and he is going to encourage thousands of vile scum onto our streets of London and have them all shout hatred and riot because somebody has an opinion they don't agree with?

Why is this man even a Lord?!
have you not noticed that labour is in power?
Haha. You're right. Nothing should surprise me anymore!
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I'm wondering, should this 'lord'(hahahaha -you wish, according to who?) be charged with incitement to violence or treason against the state?.
Something needs to be done, how dare this jihadist try to lay down the law to us in our own country?.
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Can someone give me the Fitna fim link again. Forgot to download it last time. WE MUST ALL ATTEND,THIS IS AN AFFRONT BY A SO CALLED LORD.
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Feb 2 2010, 06:47 PM
Can someone give me the Fitna fim link again. Forgot to download it last time. WE MUST ALL ATTEND,THIS IS AN AFFRONT BY A SO CALLED LORD.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/03/here-is-fitna.html
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Thank you kindly sah!!!.
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Lord Ahmed can go f**k himself, the fat prick. As for Malik, he's another Labour MP, what a surprise, 2 muslims in Labour who are both actual c**ts, that probably both want sharia here and Englandistan, well it ain't f**king happening.

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Isn't it for these situations the EDL was formed for? f**k em up boys.
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10,000, i reakon double that if not more, the whole of the eastend will go, north london... harrow, stoke newington, f**k theres 50,000 already lol
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Feb 2 2010, 07:30 PM
10,000, i reakon double that if not more, the whole of the eastend will go, north london... harrow, stoke newington, f**k theres 50,000 already lol
Not a problem, one of us is worth 100 of them.
Let's have some official backing here to build numbers.
Even if they outnumber us this is our ground, no surrender.
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whiteguy are you a fisherman
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yep i'm going and i'm brining with me "200" phantom memebrs of the the herts division with me, we've layed on coaches, security and armed escorts, herts divison to the rescue! nah only kidding just me and watdford dan lol
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Feb 2 2010, 07:51 PM
yep i'm going and i'm brining with me "200" phantom memebrs of the the herts division with me, we've layed on coaches, security and armed escorts, herts divison to the rescue! nah only kidding just me and watdford dan lol
lol mate :D

I've just remembered his name change to Reggie Kray, bit close for me, thanks a f**king bunch for that Andy Mcnab.
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come on guys, this is what i'm trying to get at here. the edl organises a number of protests across the country. but you don't need to ask anyone's permission to protest for the cause, ever. the numbers should be rolling in already.

leadership permission is for using the edl name. as it is, there is already a non-edl guy organising this protest, as seen on facebook. it's for a good cause, it's for our cause, lets show up.
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all we need to do is put up placards that say things like "SHARIA LAW GO TOO HELL" or "ISLAM GO TO HELL" or "WE LOVE YOU GEERT" "GEERT FOR PM" "HELLO MOM" "EDL ROOLS OK" "LOOK MA I'M ON TELLY"
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i was thinking something a bit more dignified:

ENGLAND WELCOMES GEERT WILDERS, CHAMPION OF FREEDOM

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If Lord ha ha, good name, pulls a stunt like this, find out where his next speech and target him. See how he likes it.

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Feb 2 2010, 08:18 PM
i was thinking something a bit more dignified:

ENGLAND WELCOMES GEERT WILDERS, CHAMPION OF FREEDOM

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Good idea, I'm bringing an A3 pad. edit - not for the big banner, I don't want to spend all day stapling pages with one letter each together.
Just for nasty little quips, that's all. :D
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Feb 2 2010, 08:18 PM
i was thinking something a bit more dignified:

ENGLAND WELCOMES GEERT WILDERS, CHAMPION OF FREEDOM

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Hmmm.... so I guess I should stop making my 'IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, F*CK OFF!' sign then...
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Feb 2 2010, 08:16 PM
all we need to do is put up placards that say things like "SHARIA LAW GO TOO HELL" or "ISLAM GO TO HELL" or "WE LOVE YOU GEERT" "GEERT FOR PM" "HELLO MOM" "EDL ROOLS OK" "LOOK MA I'M ON TELLY"
And, " GEERT, WILL YOU MARRY ME, PLEASE?" :wub:
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wel if 10.000 muzzies turn up the police will buckle they buckle if a few hundred turn up, and anyway isnt that a threat ? i'll get 10,000 muslims is a blatant threat

thats like saying to brown aup fat c**t pass this bill or i'll get 10,000 of me mates to f**k you up

its a threat

dont stand for it parliamant dont let these school yard muslim bully tactics destroy freedom of speech

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southwest 15 , dont get it?
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you was saying more or less every muzz will be coming just a bit of exageration. fisherman are known for it
it was a joke
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almost defiantly going this instead of bolton, but if i can i'll do both.
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Yes m8 ive just booked the 5th off. misses aint happy as she wanted me 2 have here bday this month.
But i can make it up 2 her. I carnt miss this 100-1 like the odds lol
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If we do not welcome Geert and allow the ragheads free rein outside parliament then we might as well rename the EDL the English Dhimmi League.

Turn up, sober, in fancy dress and turn it into a street party, because if Geert makes it inside then it is our victory in our land, so we should celebrate. Let's steal the limelight and soak up the camera time.

.....and how the bearded barmpots would hate that.



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standard wonderdog. this could go in our favour massivly.
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Well I'll be there. sometimes ya just have to stand and be counted! Big bad jihadist bully boys can kiss my lilly white arse.
cut off their heads, and strike off all the ends of the fingers. This shall they suffer because they have opposed Allah and His Prophet, and whosoever shall oppose Allah and His Prophet, verily Allah will be severe in punishing them" (8.13)
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Feb 2 2010, 07:51 PM
yep i'm going and i'm brining with me "200" phantom memebrs of the the herts division with me, we've layed on coaches, security and armed escorts, herts divison to the rescue! nah only kidding just me and watdford dan lol
Yeah we de Herts MASSIFF. All two of us. 10000 bananas in their pyjamas aint no match for us!!
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When Geert was turned back before it was all over the global media, on CNN, Al Jazeera, BBC, TFI etc.

We have to grasp the fact that the likes of CNN will be there again, we are not talking BBC Isle of Wight here or the Lower Bigpuddle Gazette.

Fancy drees and street party but ready and willing to rock and roll if needs be.
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lets rock an roll on the 5th
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THIS WILL BE A WORLD WIDE MEDIA AVENT ITS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE AT THIS DEMO IN BIG NUMBERS AFTER ALL JUST WAT THE EDL ARE ABOUT WE CAN NOT AND MUST NOT LET THIS PASS US BY THIS IS THE CHANCE OF A LIFE TIME AND COULD DO SO MUCH TO HELP THE EDL A CANT BELIVE ITS NOT BEEN MADE INTO AN OFFICAL DEMO AND BOLTON PUT BACK FOR A WEEK OR TWO I DONT KNOW HOW WE CAN MISS A CHANCE LIKE THIS WITH WORLD WIDE MEDIA ON ARE DOOR STEP
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Feb 2 2010, 09:43 PM
THIS WILL BE A WORLD WIDE MEDIA AVENT ITS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE AT THIS DEMO IN BIG NUMBERS AFTER ALL JUST WAT THE EDL ARE ABOUT WE CAN NOT AND MUST NOT LET THIS PASS US BY THIS IS THE CHANCE OF A LIFE TIME AND COULD DO SO MUCH TO HELP THE EDL A CANT BELIVE ITS NOT BEEN MADE INTO AN OFFICAL DEMO AND BOLTON PUT BACK FOR A WEEK OR TWO I DONT KNOW HOW WE CAN MISS A CHANCE LIKE THIS WITH WORLD WIDE MEDIA ON ARE DOOR STEP
our absence would be conspicuos to say the least, surely this is what we are about? They are trying to drown out freedom of speech here.
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From 2005, Lord ha ha is anti semetic.

But there is a more astonishing incident which has yet to receive any coverage.

Lord Ahmed, who has been a Labour life peer since 1998, is the first Muslim to have been so honoured. His presence in the House of Lords is symbolically important. His behaviour matters, both in the message it sends to his fellow Muslims and in what it represents to the rest of us.

In May, Lord Ahmed called — at considerable personal risk — for Islamic militants such as Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri to be deported. The risk was real: a fatwa was immediately issued against him.

But his behaviour has not always been so admirable.

On February 23, Lord Ahmed hosted a book launch in the House of Lords for a man going by the name of Israel Shamir. “Israel Shamir” is, in fact, a Swedish-domiciled anti-Semite also known as Jöran Jermas.

The gist of Shamir/Jermas’s speech at the meeting can be gleaned from its title, “Jews and the Empire”. It included observations such as: “All the [political] parties are Zionist-infiltrated.” “Your newspapers belong to Zionists . . . Jews indeed own, control and edit a big share of mass media, this mainstay of Imperial thinking.” “In the Middle East we have just one reason for wars, terror and trouble — and that is Jewish supremacy drive . . . in Iraq, the US and its British dependency continue the same old fight for ensuring Jewish supremacy in the Middle East.” “The Jews like an Empire . . . This love of Empire explains the easiness Jews change their allegiance . . . Simple minds call it ‘treacherous behaviour’, but it is actually love of Empire per se.” “Now, there is a large and thriving Muslim community in England . . . they are now on the side of freedom, against the Empire, and they are not afraid of enforcers of Judaic values, Jewish or Gentile. This community is very important in order to turn the tide.”

Why would Lord Ahmed have hosted such a man in the Lords? It is, of course, possible that Lord Ahmed had no idea that Shamir/Jermas was a rabid anti-Semite. Yet it takes only a quick Google to discover his views and background. He has worked for Zavtra, Russia’s most anti-Semitic publication, and is allied with the Vanguard News Network, set up by an American, Alex Linder — a man so extreme that he was even ostracised by the US neo-Nazi National Alliance.

Indeed, Shamir/Jermas’s own website proudly reprints his views: “Jews asked God to kill, destroy, humiliate, exterminate, defame, starve, impale Christians, to usher in Divine Vengeance and to cover God’s mantle with blood of goyim . . . ” “The Ashkenazi Jews believed that spilled Jewish blood has a magic effect of calling down Divine Vengeance on the heads of the Gentiles . . . The picture of Jews slaughtering children for cultic reasons exerted huge impact on the Christian peoples of Europe.” On and on it goes.

Other figures at the forefront of campaigns against Israel are wise to Shamir/Jermas’s toxic anti-Semitism; Ali Abunimah, for example, who writes for the Electronic Intifada website and Hussein Ibish, press spokesman of the American-Arab Anti Discrimination Committee, gave warning in 2001 that Shamir/Jermas was not anti-Israeli but anti-Semitic. It is surely not unreasonable to expect Lord Ahmed to have exercised a cursory check on his guest.

If, however, Lord Ahmed does feel that he made a mistake in inviting him, he has yet to demonstrate it. Shamir/Jermas’s speech was made nearly two months ago. On learning of its contents, I wrote to Lord Ahmed, asking him two questions. Did he consider the invitation to have been a mistake? Did he condemn the remarks? He did not reply.

Yesterday, I phoned him. When I told him that I planned to write a piece drawing attention to his actions in hosting Shamir/Jermas and that I wanted to give him every opportunity to respond, he replied: “I am not even going to speak with you.” He then put the phone down.

Lord Ahmed’s refusal to condemn the remarks seems to indicate that he sees nothing wrong with inviting such a man to speak, or with the words Shamir/Jermas used.

There is an instructive parallel. Howard Flight was stripped of the Conservative whip for expressing a mild opinion about spending cuts. Lord Ahmed invited a known anti-Semite to speak in the House of Lords, has not uttered a word of criticism since and remains a Labour peer. Before hearing from Lord Ahmed, I also wrote to Lord Grocott, the Labour Chief Whip in the Lords. I asked him if, given Lord Ahmed’s apparent lack of contrition, Lord Grocott considered it appropriate that Lord Ahmed should still hold the Labour whip? No reply.

All Lord Ahmed need do to destroy the notion that he supports Shamir/Jermas’s views is to admit that he made a mistake in inviting him, and to condemn his words.

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we've seen a lot on these boards about how the EDL is not opposed to 'all Muslims', and is concerned only with fighting the 'extremists' (as imperfect as that word may be)

fair enough - I understand that it's not easy to say a great deal more without falling foul of charges of Islamophobia or whatever else, and any definition of 'radical' or 'extremist' is always going to be challenged

but Geert Wilders is not someone who shies away from putting his finger on the problem. He's made a point of being anti-Islam. Not anti Islamic-extremist, not anti Islamist, but anti-Islam.

the question that will be asked of the EDL is this: why then, does the EDL appear so happy to support him? Is it just a point of freedom of speech, or do the EDL sympathise with his views, or perhaps they hold the same views?

of course, we all know that being 'anti Islam' isn't exactly the same as being anti-black people, anti-white people, etc. It's not an awful prejudice that we should rightfully condemn - it's based on the sound assessment that Islam is essentially toxic, and constitutes a threat to our ('Western' or European) way of life.

Even if we do not consider ourselves to be 'anti Islam' - and I don't think all of the EDL are - we may have some sympathies with those who are (or at least, shouldn't condemn them out of hand).

Fitna challenges Muslims to reform their religion - to take out all the words that justify terrible acts, to rethink some of their interpretations, and to make important steps towards dismantling the culture that allows Islamic extremism to grow.

But, there are a great many people who do not share this interpretation. Some may agree with the thinking behind it, but still find it far too provocative. I expect that some EDL members may be among this group of people.

Other people will condemn it entirely, and see it as mere provocation. They will believe that is likely to be more damaging that it is constructive (provoking violent clashes for example).

My question would be this - wasn't it these people that the EDL was trying to attract by being so careful not to blur the boundaries between 'moderate' and 'extremist' Muslims?

After all this talk of not being opposed to 'all Muslims', doesn't enthusiastic support for Geert Wilders undermine this somewhat?

I'm not saying the EDL shouldn't support Geert Wilders - I'm saying that it has to make up it's mind about how controversial (how provocative) it wants to be

Support Geert Wilders by all means - but ask yourselves this: Will you be doing so to champion free speech? Will you be doing so because you sympathise with his views and his efforts, despite not agreeing entirely? Or will you be doing so because Geert Wilders says exactly what you feel?

The press will draw their own conclusions. But embracing Mr Wilders too tightly has its dangers. Once he's back in Holland, what's to stop the media transferring their venom to you? In many ways, an english street movement is more vulnerable than a somewhat respected dutch politician.

Please - make it clear that you sympathise with his views and his cause - but stick to your guns also. The EDL needs its own identity, it can't be seen as the drinking club that will spout anything anti-Muslim in the hope of provoking a reaction.
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I see what you're saying pyrus. But as for me, I would still happily support the EDL even if they decided to remove the word 'militant' from their 'motto'.
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Our motto is "peacefully protesting against militant Islam".

What is not militant about 10,000 Muslims taking to the streets to block freedom of speech?

Only problem is it's on a Friday.
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Our motto is "peacefully protesting against militant Islam".

What is not militant about 10,000 Muslims taking to the streets to block freedom of speech?

Only problem is it's on a Friday.
It is difficult to argue with that kind of logic!
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so primarily your support would be based on the need to protect freedom of speech?

would you be looking to make any statement about what the EDL thinks about Geert Wilders and Fitna?
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The threats to the life of Geert Wilders life do not come from moderate Islam, but extremist Islam. So by supporting his visit to the UK we are making a statement against extremist Islam.
We could stand in silence and it would still be the loudest demo the EDL have made to date. By showing visible support for a man they wish to kill we are making a statement to extremist Islam, indeed we are in effect throwing out a challenge.

We stand our ground in our country and we say "Welcome Geert, welcome friend", we keep our heads, we keep our dignity, we keep our integrity and we make our forefathers proud of us !!!

.......and then we have a street party ;)
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This man is supposed to be a Lord and he is going to encourage thousands of vile scum onto our streets of London and have them all shout hatred and riot because somebody has an opinion they don't agree with?

Why is this man even a Lord?!
"vile scum", are you saying any muslim against Geert Wildner is "vile scum". So what people can't have opinions. Its a f**king free country ain't it?
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What makes someone vile scum is the attempt to intmidate critics of Islam into silence with the threat--or the reality--of violence
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I think we should ignore this London protest. Let the 10 000 muslims create chaos, this is ideal for us. Concentrate on the Bolton protest.

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It is very difficult for the EDL to get behind this to the extent that some of you are wanting, for the following reasons:

The House of Lords viewing is not set in stone and for a variety of reasons it may get postponed/cancelled

The London protest is only one day before The Bolton Demo

Those that can make the london protest and are in the area should attend but it is a difficult to plan for people travelling from further away, do we book travel tickets in advance just in case the H.O.L video gets pulled.

Only when we have a definitive confirmation that it is taking place should the EDL endorse/back any protest. I suppose everyone needs to keep the 5th clear just incase it is happening but at the moment it is only proposed that Geert Wilders will be there on the 5th, let's wait for confirmation.

If it does go ahead on the 5th then the EDL support outside parliament will be much more worthwhile than Bolton. It is a tough one for the leadership of the EDL but their judgement has been pretty much bang on so far.


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