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chanting and singing
Topic Started: Jan 25 2010, 11:38 PM (520 Views)
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change the chants

and sing something meaningfull

god save the queen might be our national anthem but its got f**k all to do with getting rid of islam

e e edl sharia law can go to hell !

god save geert wilders or something

be inventive and shake the football image


protesting like this is going to make the public turn their back on you



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Good post. Engeerland Engeerland also has nothing to do with sharia law or radical islam. In fact I think nationalism in general is not the answer to a religious problem, but thats too big a debate
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You can't tell people what to sing, and how would you enforce it? Tell people to stop singing God save the Queen half way thorough?

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'jerusalem'. The Engish anthem is sung at rugby internationals. Really nice song.
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teach a few lads on here a few descent songs and chants, then sing them at dems the lads will pick it up by the 3rd verse.
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Jan 25 2010, 11:38 PM
change the chants

and sing something meaningfull

god save the queen might be our national anthem but its got f**k all to do with getting rid of islam

e e edl sharia law can go to hell !

god save geert wilders or something

be inventive and shake the football image


protesting like this is going to make the public turn their back on you



E E EDL, PROUD 2 B A Infidel! E E EDL Sharia Law Can Go 2 Hell! Choudary you're a Wanker!!

Also got to love 10 Muzzie bombers, we went from 10 to zero on our bus and it was fkn wkd! The Casuals UTD guys were leading it and it was awsome!! Honestly first time we ever gone from 10 to Zero, usually we get to seven and it fades out but this time the bus was was rocking and we got to Zero!! It was filmed and as soon as it is on the tube I will post teh link!
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the sweeney
Jan 25 2010, 11:38 PM
protesting like this is going to make the public turn their back on you



oh right, cos I was under the impression that we'd grown from 30 protesters in June to 3,000 protesters in January

Must be my mistake, eh?
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^ dont be daft mate, you know it was only 300! Don't you read the press! ;)
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3000 aint enough mate we need 20.000+ to win this and for those numbers things have got to suit the masses.
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the sweeney
Jan 26 2010, 12:27 PM
3000 aint enough mate we need 20.000+ to win this and for those numbers things have got to suit the masses.
It's not frigging bad after 6 months is it?

What makes you the expert on these types of things? Have you already built a protest group of 20,000 on the streets?
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20K would be awsome! Lets see if we can do it!
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You cant tell people not to sing at these demos,
and you cant try to take the football style atmosphere
out of them either cause a large percent of people
who go to these demos are football lads.
I say sing what you want!
Whats wrong with singing our national anthem?
Does that make us racist to sing it ?
NO! I think that it just shows that we are proud of
where we come from!!!!!!!!!!!!
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you wanna make our government listen ? You gotta force them . .edl means f**k all till they have to call the army in because the police cant handle it . . Then there ears will prick up.
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we've already got them scurrying for cover mate, and a change in songs will do diddly squat. In fact it will massively take away a good deal of the atmosphere that people enjoy.
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ProudNotRacist
Jan 26 2010, 12:32 PM
20K would be awsome! Lets see if we can do it!
Towards that end I will be leafleting on Saturday with some of the boys ;)
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well i hope your right and football style is the way. . I disagree, and think you will be shut down, you are englands last hope thou without edl then the appeasement will turn into favour then the right muslim in the right place will total change our way of life forever. I want to see 20.000 people in london screaming for our country back. I want to see those people standing there and i want to feel the love i want the patriotism that won us our freedom once prevail again. . I dont want to see stoke again not untill there's enough ppl for it to actualy go somewhere this is not a game every man woman and child in the uk's freedom is at stake. Fighting eachother ! You should be ashamed of yourselves if my gran was alive she'd wade in with her handbag. So think about the goal because the edl is offside at the moment.... I just want to help thats what this forums for aint it ?
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the sweeney
Jan 26 2010, 01:10 PM
well i hope your right and football style is the way. .
Working so far mate, no reason to change a working plan is there?

Yes, ideas are good mate keep em coming, nobody says I am right all the time not even my Mrs (especially my Mrs)
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edl offside . at min i think not maybe needs a sub or a transfer but i think so much good has been done.
i think people are to quick to slate the footie element but lets be honest they are the ones who put feet on deck and get counted
i love footie chanting at england and chelsea games the buzz is electric
but sweeney you have a point but rather than criticize and then leave to others why not think of a song or gather help in doing so
we are all needed as regards stoke it wasnt perfect but rome wasnt built in a day so lets work together and lets get baldymonster back on board
roll on dudley im going
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I'd like to hear Colonel Bogey being whistled, I think that could be good, might be just me though lol
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Sweeney is right, we need to aim for 20,000 minimum and although the idea of "having fun" is a pleasant one, this isn't a game of football. It is right to say that the football lads make a the organisation at the moment but can they be anything else ? I don't follow football at all, although I was tempted to go see Chelsea with my daughter the other day as I can walk there and doubtless I would have sung along as best I can at the top of my voice and got right into it.

BUT....and it is a big BUT (sorry).....as I have said..... already this thing. the EDL, the defence of our country is not a game for many of us.
I have never been to a demo yet, been out of the country for all but the Stoke one, put my name dowm for the Stoke bus from London but then my girlfriend arrived on the Friday with my new 3 month son. However what I saw and heard on various links was passionate for sure but unprofessional and unconvincing. A growth to three thousand is certainly a result assuming it is realistic, but how many does your team get for a home game ?
And your particular team (whichever it is) is nowhere near as important as our country.

Put simply.....the football style chants put people off...end of...no point discussing it or arguing the point...it is a fact !

I have said it before and posted links,

1) Jerusalem
and
2) I vow to thee my country

Real passion and belief in our fair land needs celebrating not held up to ridicule.
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Colonel Bogey with new words would be a good one though....

"Anjem has only got one ball......."
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Jan 26 2010, 02:33 PM
Put simply.....the football style chants put people off...end of...no point discussing it or arguing the point...it is a fact !
Pure unadulterated bollocks. Have you asked the country have you?

You would have come to Stoke but your girlfriend came round, is that supposed to be some kind of convincing excuse?

Armchair alert!

You can't be arsed going to a demo yet want to tell people who do go to demos how they should conduct themselves.



And even worse than not going is reserving your spot on the bus and then not going. People all over the country got told sorry mate bus is full, only for some twat to pull out last minute when it's too late for people to make arrangements.
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Gentlemen, Speaking as one that has been on many sides of many fences I can tell you that the chanting/shouting etc is extremely intimidating to the general public, and it hurts me to say that it only serves to make us appear as disorderly rabble (I apologies in advance for that remark) For this is their perception of disorganised protest.
Massed attendance and total silence at a rally is an extremely impressive and memorable sight, and don't forget - your banners do the shouting for you, by doing this you turn the tables at your antagonists, they in turn become the screaming rabble whilst the EDL come out of it smelling of roses, unlike the few that screwed up Stoke.
And on the subject of Stoke - If I lived there I would pop into the cop shop, ask them to contact the unfortunate woman that had her car damaged and ask her how much it cost to repair, having got that info I would then have a whip among the local EDL and get the police to arrange a meeting with the woman in the nick and hand over the money - could even have the local press there. Now that my friends is an exercise in public relations, and this is absolutely where we need to be.
I am dedicated to the EDL - it is my platform - dont let bad PR screw it all up.
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"If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live"
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Jan 26 2010, 03:12 PM
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Jan 26 2010, 02:33 PM
Put simply.....the football style chants put people off...end of...no point discussing it or arguing the point...it is a fact !
Pure unadulterated bollocks. Have you asked the country have you?

You would have come to Stoke but your girlfriend came round, is that supposed to be some kind of convincing excuse?

Armchair alert!

You can't be arsed going to a demo yet want to tell people who do go to demos how they should conduct themselves.



And even worse than not going is reserving your spot on the bus and then not going. People all over the country got told sorry mate bus is full, only for some twat to pull out last minute when it's too late for people to make arrangements.
Is it possible that I could ask the country......no....so why ask ? It is however possible that I could stick my name on the line with people I know and don't know and discuss the EDL demos....and get a pretty good idea what people think.

Girlfriend came from Prague with my son, didn't just "come round", if you have children maybe you understand, if you don't then when you do you will.

Armchair alert !!! That's a blinder, when I said I was "out of the country" for the earlier demos I was in Iraq, sorry I didn't get the bus then either. I can guarantee you N.E.edl I have spent much much time "discussing" with extremists (real ones not Mahatma Coat from the local shop) over the past six years in various countries.

....and I have no regrets that in those six years I have NEVER got tanked up and trashed my own country.

Also please accept my apologies for having an opinion about the way things should be done....I mean, democracy and freedom of speech, who wants that eh ?

p.s. I didn't pull out at the last minute, I gave notice of a week, check the thread.
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as you say its not a game people feel passionate about this but if you have ideas put them through
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Just because your circle of friends don't like it doesn't mean it's something you can say "end of...no point discussing it or arguing the point...it is a fact !" All you can say is that your friends don't like it.

Yes I have kids, it must be your first if the novelty hasn't worn off yet :D

The extra information you give leads me of course to have more respect for you than I did before, but your still wrong on the chanting of course...and regardless of who is right or wrong on that point it is totally irrelevant as you'd never stop a working class crowd from chanting, it is a part of the very culture we are trying to protect.
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the west stand might suit you wonderdog not much singing there lol
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On the topic of the 10 mussie bombers - why not chant 'And the EDL from England shot them down' instead of 'R.A.F ? . . .
. . .just a thought.
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Jan 26 2010, 05:49 PM
On the topic of the 10 mussie bombers - why not chant 'And the EDL from England shot them down' instead of 'R.A.F ? . . .
. . .just a thought.
Lol now that song I don't like I think it's crap :D

Sort of song not bad for coaches I guess but oh well, can't win em all can I? -_-
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I think the issue the OP means is, how is saying "Engerland engerland engerland" promoting the problem of Islamic Extremism. - This is something I've been questioned on a lot recently.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
Armchair division. I may not go to demos, but I'm there in spirit.
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Jan 26 2010, 06:08 PM
I think the issue the OP means is, how is saying "Engerland engerland engerland" promoting the problem of Islamic Extremism. - This is something I've been questioned on a lot recently.
You could of course the same for every aspect of a demonstration.

How does standing in a cold street help?
How does holding a banner up help?
How does joining a forum help?

You could go on. It's all a part of the protest.
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Actually he is my fourth...so nothing to do with novelty and all to do with love ! Glad to hear you are a dad too, and I am sure that is a part of your drive for this as much as it is for me.

I never mentioned my friends, my friends don't care about the chanting, but it is the people I just know and don't know that I wanted to bring in. If every one of us convinced two strangers then we would really be on a roll.

I know that the chanting is a part of the guys that do it, and I have no trouble with that, just a matter of "time and place"....storm parliament ;)...chant and sing....work to increase support and numbers... act responsibly. I know all about "working class culture"...I was born in Luton and my dad was born in Easington (you may know it), certainly no silver spoons in my family.

Anyway...peace !!! I have said my bit and you have said yours and doubtless will continue to do so as this grows, and we must never lose sight that this is gonna be a long haul and may just have to get seriously radical.

Cheers for the tip SW15, I tried to get tickets for the Fulham game, my daughter from Paris really wanted to go....I couldn't believe how much they were and just didn't have the readies. But I will get round to it...soon.
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Jan 26 2010, 03:12 PM
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Jan 26 2010, 02:33 PM
Put simply.....the football style chants put people off...end of...no point discussing it or arguing the point...it is a fact !
Pure unadulterated bollocks. Have you asked the country have you?

You would have come to Stoke but your girlfriend came round, is that supposed to be some kind of convincing excuse?

Armchair alert!

You can't be arsed going to a demo yet want to tell people who do go to demos how they should conduct themselves.



And even worse than not going is reserving your spot on the bus and then not going. People all over the country got told sorry mate bus is full, only for some twat to pull out last minute when it's too late for people to make arrangements.
I dont even like football but I soon picked up the chants, and it wasnt long before I was singing along with everyone else, I would say that most people in this country like football (me being a bit wierd) so more football chants are needed, and some losengers because my voice still aint right after Saturday.
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Jan 26 2010, 06:21 PM
Actually he is my fourth...so nothing to do with novelty and all to do with love ! Glad to hear you are a dad too, and I am sure that is a part of your drive for this as much as it is for me.
I have more than four, so at least me and you are doing our bit for the breeding war, need much more like us. It is very much a part of why I am here typing this right now, yes.
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Jan 26 2010, 06:13 PM
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I think the issue the OP means is, how is saying "Engerland engerland engerland" promoting the problem of Islamic Extremism. - This is something I've been questioned on a lot recently.
You could of course the same for every aspect of a demonstration.

How does standing in a cold street help?
How does holding a banner up help?
How does joining a forum help?

You could go on. It's all a part of the protest.
That is the answer I keep giving, however, most replies I are that going on the streets saying "Engerland engerland engerland" and "god save the queen" are not promoting the issue of extremist islam.

^^ This is not me saying it btw, it's the question I've seen off many people from places like YouTube etc. I would just like one definitive strong reply to give make to them so they fully understand.
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
Armchair division. I may not go to demos, but I'm there in spirit.
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I stood with a little old lady on Saturday for 10 mins, she had got into the crowd somehow just to see what was going off, I explained to her what we were about and she agreed totally with me, I told her that it was football gangs that started the EDL and she said at least someone dare stand upto them, I did have to repeat myself a few time as it was hard to talk above the chanting but she certainly didnt mind it, it is human nature to make a noise about something you believe in and the more people that join in the demo's then the more people will realise how fullfilling it is to chant and sing out loud in a large group of like minded people.
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Maybe we can have a candlelit vigil and hum hyms, maybe that will stop the extremists.
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We could play some Rod Stewart and light our lighters if it wasnt windy, oh how I love a bit of ROD lol
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singing hyms funny that but seriously we know where he is coming from to a point .appealing to the masses with singing hyms sorry couldnt help it
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Jan 26 2010, 06:26 PM
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Jan 26 2010, 06:21 PM
Actually he is my fourth...so nothing to do with novelty and all to do with love ! Glad to hear you are a dad too, and I am sure that is a part of your drive for this as much as it is for me.
I have more than four, so at least me and you are doing our bit for the breeding war, need much more like us. It is very much a part of why I am here typing this right now, yes.
That's the spirit, spread the word and spread the seed :D
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Jan 26 2010, 06:31 PM
Maybe we can have a candlelit vigil and hum hyms, maybe that will stop the extremists.
Why not, a demo is a demo right ? Is stomping around singing football songs any different in effect? Is that actually stopping extremists ? Which begs another question for another thread,

- Who are our demos aimed at ? -

To my mind the politicians don't care and the extremists certainly don't. A demo to make people think and reconsider is only valid when that demo leaves them no other choice but to think about the matter ( I hate the word "issues" btw). Making noise doesn't get anywhere, the real threat of direct action does.
I used to demo with F4J and they got up to some pretty good stunts that captured the public imagination.

Back to the candlelit vigil and hymns ------ Well, if a milion people did it just might make the appeasing and limp politicians think. If it doesn't then at least when extreme direct action occurs the words "we had no idea how the people felt" would sound a little hollow and weak among the sounds of the sirens of the fire engines trying to put out a blaze at the Houses of Parliament....a blaze not started by Islamic extremists I might add.


Gotta dash, so I am sorry this post is a little disordered.


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Jan 26 2010, 06:21 PM
Actually he is my fourth...so nothing to do with novelty and all to do with love ! Glad to hear you are a dad too, and I am sure that is a part of your drive for this as much as it is for me.
I have more than four, so at least me and you are doing our bit for the breeding war, need much more like us. It is very much a part of why I am here typing this right now, yes.
That's the spirit, spread the word and spread the seed :D
wonderdog seems like you like spreading your seed international no wonder you call yourself wonderdog B-)
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http://www.uaf.org.uk/
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im not sure this wonder dog fella knows what he is goin on about!!!

The reason people sing at demos is the same reason sing at football
it brings us together and by singing our songs whatever they are they
show that we are united in our cause!!!!

And to say that us football lads are giving the EDL a bad reputation is
utter bollocks, the atmosphere is what drives the demos and the
noise is what gets them noticed, not standing there in scilence holding
up a banner!!!!!
We need to let the people know who we are!!!!

If someone in the streets gets intimidated by ENGLISHMEN singing songs
about ENGLAND then we need to ask the question weather they should be
there or not because if i was walking down my street and saw a load of lads
shouting up for ENGLAND it would make me proud that someone has the
bollocks to do it!!!!!!
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he,s only a poor little u.a.f arrrrw his face all battered and torn

he made me feel sick so i hit him with a brick and now he dose not sing anymore
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Like I'v said 100 times now,why do people join something and try and change it we are football lads/fans and we do what we do.If you dont like it,why not start your own protest group.The thing is football fans will travel all over and are passionate about what we do,and it looks to me like we are the only ones to have the balls to make a stand and not be shouted down by the bullies of the uaf ect who have all but disapeared.
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Like I'v said 100 times now,why do people join something and try and change it we are football lads/fans and we do what we do.If you dont like it,why not start your own protest group.The thing is football fans will travel all over and are passionate about what we do,and it looks to me like we are the only ones to have the balls to make a stand and not be shouted down by the bullies of the uaf ect who have all but disapeared.
No Surrender
Yep, we need people with drive and who don't give a f**k what other people think. People who will stand up and say 'this is our nation and you're gonna have to physically put me down before you try and take it' The same people who throughout our history who have gone all over the world with the pride of this nation in their hearts and said to countless enemies 'bring it on' and won against all odds.

I read an interview with Chris Ryan (SAS bravo two zero fame) and he was asked why do Britain have the best soldiers in the world. He repiled because it's in our nature to be warriors and we have a don't give a f**k attitude, he even said we have the best football hooligans and it's just a case of putting them in uniform. Thats us, the f**k you and the rest of the world British breed. I'm happy with the situation, if some people are not piss off and join some other two bob outfit.

I'm standing with the men who'll make a stand and say 'bring it on' to our enemies. And to our - enemies f**k you and the rest of the world.

No Surrender. Rob.
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Jan 26 2010, 07:51 PM
Like I'v said 100 times now,why do people join something and try and change it we are football lads/fans and we do what we do.If you dont like it,why not start your own protest group.The thing is football fans will travel all over and are passionate about what we do,and it looks to me like we are the only ones to have the balls to make a stand and not be shouted down by the bullies of the uaf ect who have all but disapeared.
No Surrender
Yep, we need people with drive and who don't give a f**k what other people think. People who will stand up and say 'this is our nation and you're gonna have to physically put me down before you try and take it' The same people who throughout our history who have gone all over the world with the pride of this nation in their hearts and said to countless enemies 'bring it on' and won against all odds.

I read an interview with Chris Ryan (SAS bravo two zero fame) and he was asked why do Britain have the best soldiers in the world. He repiled because it's in our nature to be warriors and we have a don't give a f**k attitude, he even said we have the best football hooligans and it's just a case of putting them in uniform. Thats us, the f**k you and the rest of the world British breed. I'm happy with the situation, if some people are not piss off and join some other two bob outfit.

I'm standing with the men who'll make a stand and say 'bring it on' to our enemies. And to our - enemies f**k you and the rest of the world.

No Surrender. Rob.
f**k yeah look whose at the demo's its the football lads and ex football lads who got older had kids and calmed things down abit, but now know its time to awaken and fight for a cause that matters our country's future. no surrender EDL !
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We are waking up to you! we are w.a,k,i,n,g upto you! no surrender no surrender We are waking upto you.


The Public might get our drift with that on?

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We love you Choudary, we do.
We love you Choudary, we do.
Oh Choudary, we love you.
Do we f**k,
so we s**te.
We support the blue red and white.



Red white and blue
what does it mean to you?
Surely you're proud
Sing it aloud
Britons away
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
Armchair division. I may not go to demos, but I'm there in spirit.
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