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| WakeupEngland | Jan 25 2010, 06:42 PM Post #1 |
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Having simmered down after last Saturday’s disgraceful behaviour by certain EDL followers I'm thinking of forming a group that actively promotes moderation, tolerance of all reasonable beliefs and polite behaviour. Headquarters at Somers' Club in Halesowen perhaps? It might need a radical stunt to launch it and generate some publicity. Perhaps a peaceful sit in around the grounds of Dudley Castle in April? From that vantage point we could see the various Neanderthals, both EDL and UAF, make complete idiots of themselves in the streets below. That would surely demonstrate the point that moderation in all things is the only way forward. We could also look at some far more intelligent beings in the adjacent zoo. Fancy joining in? After you Claude...no, after you Cecil? Further, I shall be writing to the Chief Constable of the West Midlands prior to the April demo suggesting that anyone arrested should be chucked in the Lion pen at Dudley Zoo. Could be the most exciting thing at the lions' den since the visit of HM Queen Elizabeth in 1994, during which a peacock fell down amongst the lions and all that was left were a few blue feathers. One was quite amused. Once the lions are full up we could chuck ‘em in with the Polar bear, it will give him something other to do than swing his head from side to side all day. It could be the new spectator sport. We could charge folks a couple of quid to watch, maybe a little more for a ringside seat. All revenues generated could help pay for the Police bill to keep the UAF / EDL Herberts apart. Following last Saturday’s events I remain Disillusioned and Disgusted of Dudley……… |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 06:47 PM Post #2 |
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Yep thats cool. I am also disillusioned and disgusted at the amount of people who claim to be "patriots" and "edl" who throw the towel in now, about 0.5% of the whole turn out got arrested. A small minority where trouble makers, but the majority where peaceful, so throw your towel in now, go for it, but dont call yourself a patriot if your weak enough to walk away now. Unlike "racist" or "fascist", a "patriot" is a word that shouldn't be said in vain. |
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| EDL | Jan 25 2010, 06:54 PM Post #3 |
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Not another "Ouch i stubbed my toe, i will never be able to walk again" post! Feel free to start a tea party group against terrorists. Good luck with that. By the way, do you know the meaning of the words in your sig? |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 06:58 PM Post #4 |
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Is this a joke? |
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| steve johns | Jan 25 2010, 07:14 PM Post #5 |
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Wake up,thats *ucking sleep walking. Listen fella in 20/25 years time when your grand bairns are having to wear Burkas to go to school.Why, because the majority of people protested aginst extreme islam but in a nice way.Saturday was a bad for our image and to attract certain support we have to calm down.However talk to the old guard or joe public and their glad were there just to take on the militants.You do realise one day if you want to protect your country for your kids,their kids.No matter how nice we are now.If goverment attitudes dont alter.WE WILL HAVE TO BE NOT NICE.
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 07:20 PM Post #6 |
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Wtf why start a new group. Only a few were arrested and they got exactly what they deserved. Don't give up in what we believe in right now. |
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| Raith | Jan 25 2010, 08:34 PM Post #7 |
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I've only just joined the forum this weekend, so please excuse me if I'm in the wrong section. I've seen the news footage and it doesn't paint the EDL in a very good light, ie " a bunch of thugs". Now I wasn't there and cannot comment plus, we all know what the media are like in "editing footage to suit their own agenda's". If I were an "undecided" and saw a scowling and threatening mob, it would certainly put me off. The problem is if we are portrayed as mindless thugs then we will lose support. We need to be seen to be peaceful protesters and victims of this governments policies on housing and tolerating these vile scum that want to empower us in the name of religion. I'm an ex squaddie an served late 70's to mid 80's and believe me the british army was full of misfits, thugs, etc , and as most of you will know the brawls and fight we had with locals and each other were not pretty. But when in public and on parade, we were all "lovely lads" serving their country, and the type of bloke most fathers would choose for their daughter. Its all about how we are seen if you get where I'm coming from. Public perception can make or break us. Thanks Ian. Rob Where did you get that sig. I want 1
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| wonderdog | Jan 25 2010, 08:46 PM Post #8 |
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Raith, Top point about the Army in the 70's and 80's and very true. Some people have to screw the nut and realise that the trashing of innocent people's property isn't exactly "standing up to radical Islam" ! Wdog Edited by wonderdog, Jan 25 2010, 08:47 PM.
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| EDL | Jan 25 2010, 08:52 PM Post #9 |
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Good points Raith, but i'll bet you didn't hear about our peaceful demos in Manchester, Leeds, Nottingham or London. The truth is that the Government hate us, and you will only see tv/newspaper reports on us when they can paint us in a bad light. Welcome! |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 09:49 PM Post #10 |
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If you are an ex seviceman it is available for you to use. There are RAF and RN versions too: http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/2801632/1/?x=30#new |
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| meaty | Jan 25 2010, 09:59 PM Post #11 |
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The amount of people arrested is not neccesarily a guide to how many trouble makers there were. In some riots no one gets arrested cause it's too chaotic. In the videos you can see hundreds of people egging on the troublemakers. Also about 200 marching through the park to go and attack a mosque, chanting edl, bnp and racist remarks about p***s. If you're saying we shouldn't worry about a "minority" then has the edl been formed? Islamic extremists are a minority! Posts like yours really annoy me. People saying there is no problem, don't worry about it. This means nothing will change and future demos will be the same and the edl will not grow. There is a problem and it needs to be fixed |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 10:05 PM Post #12 |
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In the Youtube vid I saw earlier today, they focused on the scuffles (which are indeed a shame) but not on the great speeches held by those three legends. |
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| WakeupEngland | Jan 25 2010, 11:04 PM Post #13 |
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Well aware of what my signature means mate thanks. To clarify, I have become completely disillusioned so far as the EDL are concerned. I had the misfortune to attend on Saturday and it appeared more than a small minority that were intent on causing trouble in my view. I doubt the troublemakers would know a Burka from a Burger. This is such a shame as I know there is a lot of grass root support for the ideals of the EDL in middle – England. I know folks ranging from my teenage sons to my 85 year old mum and her friends from church who sympathise with what the EDL are about. However I want no part of any organisation whose followers (not everyone I agree) seem to revel in bringing mayhem to town centres. On a related point how much are the police operations costing us all ??? In future I will continue to campaign against militant Islam through forums such as this and through the ballot box. I wish Tommy Robinson and the more moderate EDL guys all the best, and on second thoughts while my suggestion of chucking folks arrested in April into the lion pit at Dudley zoo was intended as a joke, having seen the latest news coverage of Saturday on the TV tonight, including the scenes where the EDL are proudly displaying a Police shield some moron had nicked , I am coming round to the idea. Edited by WakeupEngland, Jan 25 2010, 11:06 PM.
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| Raith | Jan 25 2010, 11:08 PM Post #14 |
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Top point about the Army in the 70's and 80's and very true. Some people have to screw the nut and realise that the trashing of innocent people's property isn't exactly "standing up to radical Islam" ! Wdog Wdog. I agree, but its all about the perception of the EDL. If its bad then we're screwed. Good points Raith, but i'll bet you didn't hear about our peaceful demos in Manchester, Leeds, Nottingham or London. The truth is that the Government hate us, and you will only see tv/newspaper reports on us when they can paint us in a bad light. Welcome! EDL No I didn't, but neither did anyone else either. (ie the public) Yes the government hate the EDL. And yes they use "selective reporting" that doesn't confirm to the norn. Thats why we need to be honest,clear and non violent . I'm all for the beliefs the EDL stand for but, where do I go if this all fails. I'm just trying to air my views honestly. As an example. Paul Mcartney. Since the Beatles split/died, he couldn't write his name.. He is totally s**te. IMHO. But because the public perception of him is a "God status", he could sing "Happy fu**in Birthday" and make millions from it FFS. Yes it's wrong, but thats how it is. We've gotta play the game if we are going to make a serious impact. NE EDL I'm ex Army mate, thanks for the link Cheers Ian.. |
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| naff_123 | Jan 25 2010, 11:19 PM Post #15 |
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there was more than 200 in the park i was in the middle of it filming it only about 50 or so lads were chanting about p***s and bnp and the others were just trying to get outa there! i went i got flaming lost! This guy needs to grow a pair i really hate posters like that who dont have the gall to stand shoulder to shoulder with the English not every single person are Skin head and in Football Firms only 20-40 people out of 1500 got arrested so not so bad at all! |
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| Zcott | Jan 25 2010, 11:22 PM Post #16 |
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It was a small minority and the vast majority of the EDL were there peacefully. Every organization has bad days and good days. Every organization has idiots. Every organization has those that won't listen. Every organization has a struggle. So creating a new one will do nothing but divide us. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 11:25 PM Post #17 |
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Erm excuse me if you've read any of my other posts ive repeated myself enough times that the troublemakers need to be weeded out. You really expected that there wouldn't be a few cunts tagging onto us? get yourself to disneyland my friend. A UK street army as the EDL may be classed as is always going to have fucknuts who turn up for the banter and to have a scrap with the police, what the fuck are we meant to do? a criminal check on all who walk into spoons? that would be slightly impossible. What I'm saying is yes things went shitty because of troublemakers, but does that mean we should all wrap up and give up? I think not. I certainly won't anyway. And no there wasn't "200" EDL marching through a park shouting shit, there was a bunch of chavs who joined on shouting shit, and that minority was certainly not "200" I bloody know, I was there! so shuv your footage up your arse and read other posts before you get on your highhorse. I never said we shouldn't "worry" either, you want to get your super duper time machine out and reverse time? I would if it was possible. It happened, we need to weed out those who did it, move on and to be frankly honest posts like your really piss me off aswell, go take a sit with your footage and analyze it properly. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 11:27 PM Post #18 |
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I was in the park and didn't hear any ****/BNP chanting, that's not to say it didn't happen but I didn't hear it. |
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| The Swine | Jan 25 2010, 11:27 PM Post #19 |
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The police clearly stated that the majority of demonstrators were peaceful and the trouble was caused by a minority.Says it all really as you will always get trouble at demos as a few people will always attend because they have a grudge against the police. |
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| meaty | Jan 25 2010, 11:44 PM Post #20 |
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Do you know how many got arrested when 1 million marched against the war? 4. What about when 400,000 marched for the countryside alliance in 2002? 0 (+2 counter demonstrators). Kinda puts it into perspective. I've been at a onelawforall demo against sharia law and again no arrests and no trouble. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 11:46 PM Post #21 |
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Or maybe 20-40 only got arrested because the vast majority WERE peaceful, ever thought of that? Even the bloody police said it! The EDL in the park, there was about 600, doing a march WE HAD EVERY RIGHT to do! about 50 of them were chavs granted, who did what they did, but those other 550 were peaceful and didn't go causing a havoc. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 11:47 PM Post #22 |
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Were they penned in to an unsuitable area aswell then? Or were they marching around and walking freely? Not that I am condoning anything, just giving my view. |
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| meaty | Jan 25 2010, 11:50 PM Post #23 |
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6 days notice to the police is required for a march, section 11 of the public order act 1986. You had no right. If you don't want to live by the rules of this country you should leave along with Anjem. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 11:53 PM Post #24 |
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A lot of people who live in Stoke have said Saturday was nothing compared to some of the big football days in Stoke over the last 10 years violence wise. I'm not defending peoples actions but it's not as if the EDL started a revolution on Sat. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 11:53 PM Post #25 |
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I'm sure the UAF propose for a march then? Don't tell me to leave MY country you silly binbag, I think you should leave, your obviously a stupid troll. |
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| meaty | Jan 25 2010, 11:53 PM Post #26 |
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Well if the edl leaders had applied for a march then you wouldn't have been penned in |
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| The Swine | Jan 25 2010, 11:54 PM Post #27 |
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The Countryside Alliance demo I went to a few years ago outside of pariament was bad,far worse than anything in Stoke.Apart from the police beating the crap out of us there were numerous arrests and no one,including women,were safe from police brutality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrKhvuadI4s&feature=related |
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| ImperialEmperor | Jan 25 2010, 11:55 PM Post #28 |
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My drive to help the EDL has been quenched in recent days. Its not gone but Its weakened. I support ours goals, I support our leaders but I dont support certain aspects. So Im going to lessen my activity on here and scout out new pastures, I still will post but not to my previous level. Im still tempted to come to Edinburgh in February. PS. I think the First post is a joke. |
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| meaty | Jan 25 2010, 11:56 PM Post #29 |
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Yes the uaf did apply for a march, Thats why they were allowed to march and edl weren't. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 11:57 PM Post #30 |
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I'm glad you have knowledge on what the UAF get up to, wonder why that is. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2010, 11:58 PM Post #31 |
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You were on about arrests. There were minimal arrests at what you said because people were walking around freely. Just because EDL never asked for a march, does that mean police can surround people and belt innocent people? Yes, there were some troublemakers - but innocent people were coshed and gassed. |
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| meaty | Jan 26 2010, 12:00 AM Post #32 |
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A simple email to staffordshire police did the job. I like to deal in facts, see below......
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:01 AM Post #33 |
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Meaty is obviously a troll, just ignore him Ash, don't let him get to you. PS. Wouldn't the police just reject our march appeals? |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:02 AM Post #34 |
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Good find The Swine. Will post it again in case anyone missed it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrKhvuadI4s |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:04 AM Post #35 |
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Yep, well cheers for the wavering support. Don't worry, we'll sort it out without you, now that you've decided the cause isn't as serious as it was on Friday? Do you think sitting in circles discussing knitting patterns will get things done? How far do you think the EDL would have got if it weren't for the 'rough' types that attend EDL demos? I'll tell you how far, nowhere, that's how far. Why? Because the communists have had several years head start on us and were mobilised and ready to turn up in large numbers to intimidate our people who stood up to fight. They came across a brick wall with these 'rough' types though because they actually wanted a ruck with the commies at which point the commies ran to mummy and we aint seen em since. So you turn up, knight in shining armour ready to nod your head at several admiring maidens at your feet. "Oh wait a minute, are the proles still there? Oh that's me off then". Yehhhh |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:05 AM Post #36 |
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I asked how you know the UAF applied for one not the EDL. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:08 AM Post #37 |
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He is having a rest Ash.
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:09 AM Post #38 |
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The met were on form as usual, clubbing everyone in sight. The pro-hunt lobby gave it a good go tho on the day. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:10 AM Post #39 |
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the edl wont ever get permission for a march that is why every demo is static as it is very hard for ob to ban them. the simple fact of the matter is where ever the edl protest you will get knob heads that jump on the band wagon and are intent on causing s**te. thats something you will only ever stop when you sit at home and no longer hold demos ,which when you do that you have no right to complain when everything thats good about this country is gone and muslims are rulling the roost. you need to learn to roll with the puches and continue fighting for what you beleive in everybody here is standing up against islamic extremism for their own future and the future of their familys and not letting some little chavs behavior ruin it .maybe you should think about who and why you are protesting agaist muslim extremists before you take to heart bad publicity and foolish chavs cos if you cant handle that what will you do when things get worse |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:10 AM Post #40 |
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Someone just mentioned `if it wasn`t for the rough types` in the EDL. Well, on the second Brum demo, not the one where the lad in Green got done, if it wasn`t for the `rough types` - there would have been serious injuries when we were ambushed by weapon wielding masked Asians. They stopped innocent women and innocent lads from being done. |
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| meaty | Jan 26 2010, 12:12 AM Post #41 |
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Whats wrong with you? Read the email. All details of the counter demonstration were agreed in advance. So when are you going to admit you're in the wrong? Or do you still think you have the right to violate the laws of this land? |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:13 AM Post #42 |
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yip i find the first post a joke as well, wakeupengland, iam having a fund rasing day for the SDL, you could have a sewing bee, and send us the takings, cheers. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:14 AM Post #43 |
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It's also these British 'rough' types that throughout the centurys have stopped Britain being invaded time and time again and kept this nation free. 'people sleep safe in their beds because ROUGH men are prepared to do battle on their behalf' George Orwell. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:14 AM Post #44 |
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I will say that when I spoke to a policeman and a policewoman on the bus from the station - I asked how come the UAF are always just opposite us. They both agreed that they had sorted details with EDL leaders but HAD NOT sorted anything with UAF because they never got in touch. That was straight from the police. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:15 AM Post #45 |
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if the UAF come anywhere near our lads you can sit and watch if you like, me i will be standing with my brothers. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:16 AM Post #46 |
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NO SURRNDER s**t, that's me being a rough type again |
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| meaty | Jan 26 2010, 12:16 AM Post #47 |
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| meaty | Jan 26 2010, 12:17 AM Post #48 |
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What do they say about assumptions? And whats the saying? No surrender? So we've surrended even applying for a march already! If you don't even apply for it then you can't complain. Ironic thing is since stoke it probably won't be allowed now |
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:21 AM Post #49 |
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Calm down mate, can`t be having any of your sort on here.
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| Deleted User | Jan 26 2010, 12:21 AM Post #50 |
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You only joined on the 16 jan, you obviously aren't built for the long haul. |
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