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From a Sikh who attended Stoke
Topic Started: Jan 25 2010, 12:47 PM (962 Views)
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Yeah - i got a beard and wear a turban but I AM A SIKH not a Muslim. There's a big difference.

Big thanks and respect to all those that made me feel welcome at Stoke (You no who you are).

For others pls read the following

1) Sikhs have stood toe to toe with the British for a long time
2) Sikhs have stood against Militant ...Islam for longer
3) Ignorance and racism will not help the EDL.

Keep it real
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respect southbanksingh !

its great to see the brave sikh brothers out in support, and i am proud to have to say that like mygrandfather before me i stand by side by side with these great guys !

small edit - as for those few minority minless pricks they dont represent me and hell they dont represent the EDL !
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Jan 25 2010, 12:47 PM
Yeah - i got a beard and wear a turban but I AM A SIKH not a Muslim. There's a big difference.

Big thanks and respect to all those that made me feel welcome at Stoke (You no who you are).

For others pls read the following

1) Sikhs have stood toe to toe with the British for a long time
2) Sikhs have stood against Militant ...Islam for longer
3) Ignorance and racism will not help the EDL.

Keep it real
SouthbankSingh
If you were the Sikh guy from Wolves/Brum who got a bit of racism in Wetherspoons, I'm sorry about that. I think these racists who slip in (I only heard two racist remarks all day) are UAF or Combat 18 plants. The EDL lads should comedown hard on these clowns.

Back in Bradford (I'm in Brum now), the Sikhs were on a different planet (ours) to the Muslims. I worked that out quite quickly and when I was still a kid. Though I didn't know the reasons back then.
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You know my feelings Southbank - respect for turning up and for posting. Sorry we couldn`t do more on the day.
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good post mate.

just goes to show that the EDL aint
just a bunch of Racist football thugs
but is infact represeted by most
communities in england!!!!!!!!!!!!
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good lad your prescence and thoughts are welcome. watching them live links that sikh speaker was a great example of an englishman
yes englishman not british not sikh an englishman
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Anyone that doesn't know the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim is a MORON, and anyone that thinks Sikhs are our enemy is an even bigger MORON.

Anyone that is reading this and either of these two descriptions apply to you then you are A MORON.....geddit !!!!

A MORON, a mindless fu**ing MORON and our country doesn't need you, unless it is to push you to the front with an unloaded gun and then use your lifeless carcass as a sandbag.
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Respect to you for showing up mate. Do you have any Sikh friends or family that would be interested in what the EDL has to say?

Ignore the idiots that gave you racist remarks, they are morons. Please if you hear any racist remarks at demos, then say something to the people, that should go for everyone. I know I'd say something to them, and I'm just 16. Its not right.

I think Sikhs are amazing, you have stood side by side with us for a long time and have grown into our society whilst adapting our cultures and traditions. Well played for being yourself mate, your an inspiration to us all.
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The sikhs have stood by our side on many many occasions throughout history, and true to form they aint letting us down now.

Was nice to meet you at the demo mate.
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Well done for attending the demo sorry to hear about the racist remarks to you .

Hope the mindless minority dont stop you attending another protest .

If i ever meet up with you i be more than happy to shake your hand
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we have to make these ignorant twats feel as unwelcome as possible whenever that kind of abuse is heard. i hope it hasn't put you off at all.
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You must have seen the video of the atmos in the pub? Hundreds of lads having a party! So, well done to the people on here who told Southbank he could walk in with them and could stand side by side. People are quick to slag us off - so credit where it is due. And Southbank, credit for travelling up to Stoke alone - not knowing what to expect. Thats dedication.
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what you have to remember is racist people are by definition somewhat dim.

They just don't 'get it', but they are a massive minority, though of course 'empty vessels make most noise' as my old English teacher used to say.
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.....sorry to all in my last post for swearing, I never normally swear, but sometimes I just can't tolerate stupidity any longer than I have to. I have done my time, seen some stuff and am no kid so I reserve the right to be a grumpy old git sometimes, particularly in the face of such ignorance.

Keep the faith all.....
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I have the utmost respect for Sikhs. In the Anglo-Sikh wars they proved themselves formidable warriors, I think more so than any European foe we've faced until the 20th Century. What is more impressive the Muslim Moghul empire was brought down largely by the Sikhs.

I am sorry if you received rascist comments. If they were EDL, then I apologise on their behalf and on the behalf of EDL. As far as I'm concerned Sikhs are more than welcome to join us shoulder to shoulder to face the commone enemy - one that Sikhs have had to battle for far longer - extremist Islam.
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respect for turning up, sorry to hear some lads were rude to you southbank.

stoke was the exception to the rule so far, and i hope other demos dont carry on in the same manner.
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Sikh are welcome! All people who fight against Radical Islam are, no matter what is their belief, skin color, gender, etc.

:)

Well, that's the true spirit of EDL.
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My respect to you and your fellow Sikhs. Your people are the ultimate proof that firm stand against Jihad works. I also visit the Sikhs against sharia page on facebook. To me you are the true face of EDL and not those pr**ks at that pub.
Wonderdog, to my mind referring to racists is actually one of the rare occasions where swearing is the appropriate thing.
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Jan 25 2010, 01:11 PM
Anyone that doesn't know the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim is a MORON, and anyone that thinks Sikhs are our enemy is an even bigger MORON.

Anyone that is reading this and either of these two descriptions apply to you then you are A MORON.....geddit !!!!

A MORON, a mindless fu**ing MORON and our country doesn't need you, unless it is to push you to the front with an unloaded gun and then use your lifeless carcass as a sandbag.
There must be millions of people in this country who dont know the difference between Sihk and a Muslim.
Bit of a sweeping statement that Wonderdog.
Doesnt make them all morons mate it just means they dont know the difference. ;)

Sorry forgot to add Much respect Southbanksingh.
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It's all well and good saying sorry now but more people need to actually speak up and tell these morons to f**k off AT the demo's...
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Jan 25 2010, 01:56 PM
It's all well and good saying sorry now but more people need to actually speak up and tell these morons to f**k off AT the demo's...
Who you on about?
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Well done for turning up - get you're friends and family along too !
I know there is a Sikh newspaper - perhaps Sikh members of the EDL could write an article or letters for them.
Ditto goes for any expat Thai & Chinese Buddhists + Taoists while I'm on the subject of welcoming people.
Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world....
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Jan 25 2010, 12:47 PM
Yeah - i got a beard and wear a turban but I AM A SIKH not a Muslim. There's a big difference.

Big thanks and respect to all those that made me feel welcome at Stoke (You no who you are).

For others pls read the following

1) Sikhs have stood toe to toe with the British for a long time
2) Sikhs have stood against Militant ...Islam for longer
3) Ignorance and racism will not help the EDL.

Keep it real
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My grandfather was fighting alongside Sikhs in WW1,mainly on the Somme but also at Gallipoli.He would never hear a bad word about them as he considered any man who fights alongside you is entitled to live alongside you.
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its about time people new the difference between muslims sikhs and hindus
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southbanksingh
Jan 25 2010, 12:47 PM
Yeah - i got a beard and wear a turban but I AM A SIKH not a Muslim. There's a big difference.

Big thanks and respect to all those that made me feel welcome at Stoke (You no who you are).

For others pls read the following

1) Sikhs have stood toe to toe with the British for a long time
2) Sikhs have stood against Militant ...Islam for longer
3) Ignorance and racism will not help the EDL.

Keep it real
SouthbankSingh
Total respect to you my friend. You have every right to be fiercely proud of your history - not sure about the cricket though! lol
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Southbanksingh, was there much racism at the stoke crowd? if there are c18 idiots at are demos something definitely needs done, they need to realize other cultures can be just as patriotic!
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Jan 25 2010, 01:16 PM
Respect to you for showing up mate. Do you have any Sikh friends or family that would be interested in what the EDL has to say?

Ignore the idiots that gave you racist remarks, they are morons. Please if you hear any racist remarks at demos, then say something to the people, that should go for everyone. I know I'd say something to them, and I'm just 16. Its not right.

I think Sikhs are amazing, you have stood side by side with us for a long time and have grown into our society whilst adapting our cultures and traditions. Well played for being yourself mate, your an inspiration to us all.
Well said young'un
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Jan 25 2010, 01:25 PM
.....sorry to all in my last post for swearing, I never normally swear, but sometimes I just can't tolerate stupidity any longer than I have to. I have done my time, seen some stuff and am no kid so I reserve the right to be a grumpy old git sometimes, particularly in the face of such ignorance.

Keep the faith all.....
Nice to know you've chilled mate
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Jan 25 2010, 02:09 PM
]My grandfather was fighting alongside Sikhs in WW1,mainly on the Somme but also at Gallipoli.He would never hear a bad word about them as he considered any man who fights alongside you is entitled to live alongside you.
how true is that spot on that
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Jan 25 2010, 12:47 PM
Yeah - i got a beard and wear a turban but I AM A SIKH not a Muslim. There's a big difference.

Big thanks and respect to all those that made me feel welcome at Stoke (You no who you are).

For others pls read the following

1) Sikhs have stood toe to toe with the British for a long time
2) Sikhs have stood against Militant ...Islam for longer
3) Ignorance and racism will not help the EDL.

Keep it real
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well said and welcome aboard.
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Jan 25 2010, 01:53 PM
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Jan 25 2010, 01:11 PM
Anyone that doesn't know the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim is a MORON, and anyone that thinks Sikhs are our enemy is an even bigger MORON.

Anyone that is reading this and either of these two descriptions apply to you then you are A MORON.....geddit !!!!

A MORON, a mindless fu**ing MORON and our country doesn't need you, unless it is to push you to the front with an unloaded gun and then use your lifeless carcass as a sandbag.
There must be millions of people in this country who dont know the difference between Sihk and a Muslim.
Bit of a sweeping statement that Wonderdog.
Doesnt make them all morons mate it just means they dont know the difference. ;)

Sorry forgot to add Much respect Southbanksingh.
If you are right Slowhand that there are millions that don't know the difference, and sadly I think you may be right, then we will have plenty of carcasses for sandbags.

Not a bad thing !!
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Jan 25 2010, 02:21 PM
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Jan 25 2010, 01:25 PM
.....sorry to all in my last post for swearing, I never normally swear, but sometimes I just can't tolerate stupidity any longer than I have to. I have done my time, seen some stuff and am no kid so I reserve the right to be a grumpy old git sometimes, particularly in the face of such ignorance.

Keep the faith all.....
Nice to know you've chilled mate
Chilled.......aaaah zoned out B-)

But do you remember the Blackadder line " beneath this playful boyish exterior beats the heart of a ruthless maniac" ?

Love that one :D

I do make an effort to be reasonable but sometimes when I am let out unsupervised and can manage to get online my personal groove is off kilter, my eyes scream, knuckles go white, and through tears of blood I just can't stand it anymore.

I just hate unprovoked physical and verbal violence and simply believe that the violently ignorant need exterminating in thin slices.

I hope you catch my drift Dodger :D :D :D :D
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Allow me to take off my hat for you, Southbanksingh. You're a true patriot, and those few making those remarks, should be ashamed of themselves, and I think I can speak for everybody here that they do not represent the EDL.
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big up the sikh guy and all who stand with him xx love to you and yours.
as for the mindless prix who abused this man. you need to know that this man is worth 5 of you. dickheads.
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It's a disgrace you got some grief mate, absolute disgrace. Dudley will be my first demo, if I hear anyone being racist towards any members of the EDL, I won't just stand their and listen, hope I get backed up.
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What bloody gets on my nerves is the stupid uneducated mainly white youths and white men who will see a sikh with his turban on and think of bin laden or an asian or a terrorist and call him the p word or whatever, it sickens me, these dumbasses dont f**king know what the difference between a sikh and a muslim is.

Everyone should know that 99% of sikhs here will be from india and they are identifiable by wearing turbans, some have beards and a lot of sikh men have the name singh, there are other surnames but i've noticed a lot of sikh men have the name singh (help on this southbank?)

Everyone should know most muslims here are from pakistan, bangladesh and Somalia, with other significant numbers from India (there's a lot more indian hindus and sikhs though) and from iraq and afghanistan etc.

99% of muslims don't wear turbans here, they might wear robes or a skullcap, they have big bushy beards and surnames like Khan, Ahmed, Malik, Choudary, Choudhry, Akhter, Akhtar, Mushtaq, Akram, Hussain etc, while a lot of muslim first names are Mohammed, Muhammad, Salman, Ahmed, Amir, Sajid, Syed etc and yes I looked up some of the names from the web to remind myself but using my own knowledge I was familar with them anyway.

People need to tell the bloody difference between sikhs, hindus and muslims though.

Muslim - Mohammed Akhtar, beard and robes.
Hindu - lets say Rikesh Patel (although some indian muslims have surname patel but most are hindu)
Sikh - harbajan or parvinder or amit or balminder etc singh

Sorry i'm going on but f**k, people need to be educated so we don't get muzzie hating racist white degenerate youths racially abusing sikhs cos they see a turban and think they're one of those (one of the terrorist ilk, which sikhs are not!)

Anyway, I hope despite the morons you were made to feel welcome southbank, if you got any abuse from these idiots, please don't quit because we need all the sikh and other non-white british support we can, just to show the UAF we're not a bunch of racist far-right football thugs which 99% of us on the forum are not but the lads that here about it and don't go on the forums and intellectually debate, sadly some of them will be mindless thugs looking for a muslim to beat up but I hope you felt welcomed mate and if your going Dudley I might see you there. I went to London october 31st march against sharia which Choudary didn't turn up (despite me saying he'd be in his home area of Walthamstow which he was but no one could be arsed to do what I said and get on a train and go there) but I met a sikh guy there from Kent who was a diamond chap and was protesting for 1 law for all and against sharia, with british muslims for secular democracy, he was a top lad though!
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Jan 25 2010, 01:25 PM
.....sorry to all in my last post for swearing, I never normally swear, but sometimes I just can't tolerate stupidity any longer than I have to. I have done my time, seen some stuff and am no kid so I reserve the right to be a grumpy old git sometimes, particularly in the face of such ignorance.

Keep the faith all.....
Nice to know you've chilled mate
Chilled.......aaaah zoned out B-)

But do you remember the Blackadder line " beneath this playful boyish exterior beats the heart of a ruthless maniac" ?

Love that one :D

I do make an effort to be reasonable but sometimes when I am let out unsupervised and can manage to get online my personal groove is off kilter, my eyes scream, knuckles go white, and through tears of blood I just can't stand it anymore.

I just hate unprovoked physical and verbal violence and simply believe that the violently ignorant need exterminating in thin slices.

I hope you catch my drift Dodger :D :D :D :D
Kinda contradicted ya self there - but not to worry I do indeed get yer drift - and I have no desire to upset you!!! lol
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Jan 25 2010, 01:05 PM
good lad your prescence and thoughts are welcome. watching them live links that sikh speaker was a great example of an englishman
yes englishman not british not sikh an englishman
Posts like this will only lose support from Scottish/Welsh and Ulstermen.Already i have read about Welsh supporters getting abused in Stoke and Ulstermen who got abused at an earlier protest.
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:X I Was in Stoke ---and i have to say this--i along with some pals who joined me there we were furious :X at some of the language and behavior of some purporting to be E.D.L.
We need to draw a line--ANYBODY within our ranks who wants to cause dissent be it nazi chants or footy
rivalry will be viewed as a nazi/u.a.f infiltraitor--and be dealt with there and then as such.
and we put people in place to deal with such a situation.
reading between the lines what southbank Singh has posted i think the intelligent ones amongst us can understand what he was saying----also at S.O.T station running for my train i spotted Abdul---he was hiding in a corner--and did not look happy at all---what happened to him???
I could be wrong if i am then P.M me Abdul or put it on the open forum.
I along with many thousands of others had waited for the E.D.L or something like it to arise and now it has
i will fight for it and its ideals and aims---Nuff Said.
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can you explain lord???? a welsh man is a welshman an ulsterman is from ireland albeit n.ireland but its ireland
no one should be abused who ever. but this subject was about a sikh not a welsh man or ulster man
why was i wrong
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Jan 25 2010, 03:47 PM
:X I Was in Stoke ---and i have to say this--i along with some pals who joined me there we were furious :X at some of the language and behavior of some purporting to be E.D.L.
We need to draw a line--ANYBODY within our ranks who wants to cause dissent be it nazi chants or footy
rivalry will be viewed as a nazi/u.a.f infiltraitor--and be dealt with there and then as such.
and we put people in place to deal with such a situation.
reading between the lines what southbank Singh has posted i think the intelligent ones amongst us can understand what he was saying----also at S.O.T station running for my train i spotted Abdul---he was hiding in a corner--and did not look happy at all---what happened to him???
I could be wrong if i am then P.M me Abdul or put it on the open forum.
I along with many thousands of others had waited for the E.D.L or something like it to arise and now it has
i will fight for it and its ideals and aims---Nuff Said.
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Oh f**king great, exactly what we need....

It wouldn't have surprised me if Abdul was started on or had racial abuse thrown at him, that's why when I saw him on this youtube video in Stoke he was wearing a purple jacket, he should have had his union jack draped over him like he had in Notts cos he didn't get any beef there or anything, f**k sake LOOK WE ARE AGAINST f**kING EXTREMIST ISLAM AND WELL I AM AGAINST THE SPREAD OF ISLAM TOO AND ISLAMIFICATION OF THIS COUNTRY BUT IF ANY OF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SIKHS, HINDUS, ASIANS, BLACKS, CHINESE, JEWS WHATEVER THAN f**k OFF YOU IGNORANT RACIST c**tS
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Jan 25 2010, 03:48 PM
can you explain lord???? a welsh man is a welshman an ulsterman is from ireland albeit n.ireland but its ireland
no one should be abused who ever. but this subject was about a sikh not a welsh man or ulster man
why was i wrong
You stated an englishman not british but english,i,m not english but i am 100% British.The EDL takes it support from all over the UK just not England.
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your being picky
we all come together as british hence british army im english am i wrong to say that
its like footie teams im chelsea say your plymouth but at england games we are english
times like now its about all of us so together we are british
but simply the geezer has an enlish accent so i called him english. not british why some people go around saying your not white you will never be english british yes english no.
my point is i thought that geezer was great and i was proud to say he is english
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Jan 25 2010, 04:01 PM

but simply the geezer has an enlish accent so i called him english. not british
think its just although no harm was meant from it, online typing is hard to grasp meaning from sometimes, y'know crossed wires and such.
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Cheers Dodger, no worries man, I really am a chilled out guy, ask any of the other inmates that know me !!

What's this I hear about Welsh lads getting stick and some guy called Abdul, we really do breed some cretins in this fair land of ours do we not ?

Anyway the good point is that it is becoming easy to spot the wheat from the chaff, and there seem to be plenty of us that are in it for the long game and not the quick buzz. It is not going to be rocket science to square away a few herbets ultimately.
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I feel sick that anybody could be racist at our demo's. The point is that they clearly not a real supporter.
I think that maybe next time you should organise with people online so if people will dish out durt which I doubt they will they can get told straight.
Edited by southwales, Jan 25 2010, 04:46 PM.
If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities.

Freedom is not free.
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People need to tell the bloody difference between sikhs, hindus and muslims though.

Muslim - Mohammed Akhtar, beard and robes.
you forgot Nike shoes :P

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Thanks all 4 the support.

to some-ulsterman, there were some comments/chants - not loads

Cus of my appearance and also cus i had covered most of my face-i did get some looks and some ppl may have felt threatend, some ppl even asked "you sure u in the right place" and once i explained i was a Sikh, majority were safe and k. There were a few idoits but u get that everywhere

on the journey up(bus and train) every1 was really sound and all was good -as an example when i got on, there were some cov boys having a drink and when i said i was with th edl, they were sound, also sat by some EDL lads on the train was a muslim women with an hijab-none of the lads battered an eyelid

but tbh as the day wore on (more ppl having a drink etc) i did start to feel a bit out of place (nothing to do with the footy songs as i been home and awar with my team) and tbh i am glad i left early beacuse for anyone with racist views or just wanting a ruck i would have been an easy target.

On a personal note, overall i met some top ppl who make the EDL wut it is,so I would rather take the psotives rather than the negatives out of the day, and tbh cus of my appearanc i will always stand out. i guess if i went down town on a saturday (i don't really go into pubs/ down town) nite and entered any pub, no doubt i would get abuse (probably more than at stoke). The edl is not that old, so stuff happens, but if it is something u believe in, u carry on, ok i had some negativty, but am prepared to stand by what i believe in and give it another go.

In the bigger picture, racists/troublemakers are always gonna latch onto something like th edl, but as long as the focus remains against miltant islam, and the edl deal with the far-right/bnp/nf/trouble makers as best they can, then a difference will be made. don't let any1 hijack the agenda for their own purpose

The stand edl is making is bigger than a few coments(racist views are everywhere) and the threat of Militant islam is real

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Well done southbanksingh. We have to stop the Islamification of the UK and bloody quick. I'll look out for you at the next demo and bring a few of your mates along. :)
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also i don't think abdul went
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Feliz Navidad (Gold) created by Sarah & Delirium of the ZNR