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DON'T knock those who DONT attend demo's
Topic Started: Jan 25 2010, 01:44 AM (625 Views)
Bob England
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OK This is in response to a thread that has been recently closed! It seems some members are getting slated because they haven't attended demo's! So f**ing what so long as they support the cause of the EDL. They are here aren't they? They show interest and from what I have seen will promote the EDL anyway they can! Would you rather swap them for pieces of dirt that smash up innocent peoples property?

OK I joined a couple of weeks ago and I whole heartedly support the cause! I however do not support hangers on who do not give a s**t and are there just for a piss up and fight! Those who I have seen targeted do not fall into that category!

I didn't go to the Stoke demo! Why?

1) My kid stops at weekends (Non Negotiable)
2) I have just started a legal battle for residency (Don't need any extra problems, i.e demo, wrong place at wrong time and up the creek - Non Negotiable)
3) I ain't got the money at the mo

However if and when those circumstances change you can guarantee I might change my mind (Why might? A: I don't want to put myself in a position that could cause me problems with #2)

I may not be able to attend demo's at the moment but that DOES NOT put me in a position where I cannot help out! I will put everything in, if that means getting people onside, delivering/distributing leaflets, designing logo's etc and even putting a hand in with the IT if and when I am trusted! There is at least 3 members on this site who know who I am and how I have helped out on other sites with good causes and how dedicated I am!

My point is that just because someone doesn't turn up to demo's doesn't mean they are not 100% dedicated or a f**ing troll as has been said! They can contribute in other ways so don't knock them!

ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL - NO SURRENDER!
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Good post. It seems slightly contradictory that edl are trying to appeal to the wider public yet slate them for not attending demos. How many people do you get the message across to at a demo anyway? A hundred local shoppers maybe? Especially with static demos in small places like Hanley it's tiny. It's mainly preching to the converted. How many people read the net and letters in papers etc? Much more. Getting involved in politics is the best way to change things.
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oi!

'People' 'slate' people for not going to demos. EDL doesn't.

At the end of the day it is the demos and attendance thereof that is getting the job done, my gripe is with people who CAN attend but still don't. I have no problem whatsoever with people in circumstances such as Daves, more power to you mate.
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Jan 25 2010, 01:50 AM
Good post. It seems slightly contradictory that edl are trying to appeal to the wider public yet slate them for not attending demos. How many people do you get the message across to at a demo anyway? A hundred local shoppers maybe? Especially with static demos in small places like Hanley it's tiny. It's mainly preching to the converted. How many people read the net and letters in papers etc? Much more
I am f**ing pissed off with some of the posts I have seen, to the point I am shaking. We need people everywhere and so long as they are dedicated then that's all I am bothered about!
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It's a difficult position for you, Dave and I can sympathise with thow you feel about it.
I can't attend demos either because I'm disabled but I try to do my bit in other ways, by
writing letters for instance.
But when the emotions are high after a demo and the forum inquests are being performed it can
feel intimidating to be an "outsider" who didn't attend.
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Those of you who cannot get to demos still do a fantastic job by writing letters, emails etc. Do not ever think you're not appreciated because you are!

The point about the 'non-attenders' is those who could quite easily go, yet don't. The excuses are an absolute joke. Bums on seats are getting the job done with full support on the PR front from such as yourselves that do their bit. Together, we can get this thing sorted. But every single person has to pull their own weight and not leave it to others.
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I understand why people may or may not attend demos, I've only been too Nottingham + Stoke, I joined up well before but since im only 16 my parents wouldn't allow me to go to one until it was local, that went well hence why I was allowed to go to Stoke, so I understand why some can't attend HOWEVER.

Those who sit and rant on and on about how badly behaved we all were, even though it was a TINY minority who were, and start thread after thread can make some tempers flair.

I wouldn't of sat and critisised none stop until i'd of been in the same position or to a demo, opinions are great but when people are calling those who went names and giving them pure shit, then thats just bang out of order.
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i havent attended a demo yet .. mainly due to the fact that Ulster is some what over the sea and it isnt cheap to do the trip, especially someplace like stoke !

point aside, i think there are plenty of peopel in these forums that do a very good job, who do not go to the demo's .... the biggest fight for us is the PR one, and thats ongoing 24/7 .... alot of guys on here are doing it everyday and to me is a remarkable thing, and it is just as critical of a role as that of those that go to the demo's themselves....

We also have to respect those people that cant come because of their circumstances such as jobs .... you'd be surprised how many are actually serving forces, civil servants, front line workers who 'quietly' support the EDL but out of fear will not express this openly especially at a demo where there are cameras everywhere ...

Once the pathetic racist / facist tag is removed, and people really do see the EDL for what it is .. we will see more of the closet warriors joing the demos on the street ....
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The live feed of the demos on edlmedia were set up so that those people who cant attend (and do a lot for the EDL), can be part of it all. This is an all inclusive group where we all play a part to the best of our abilities.

Remember without the parts the whole is nothing!
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All wars are waged on multiple fronts. Remember Bletchley Park as well as the Normandy beaches. United we stand!
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I didn't attend Stoke because I don't see the point of a static demo in a small town. Also I didn't want to be kettled and don't agree with meeting in a pub and drinking at demos.
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Jan 25 2010, 02:34 AM
I didn't attend Stoke because I don't see the point of a static demo in a small town. Also I didn't want to be kettled and don't agree with meeting in a pub and drinking at demos.
but other than that you are 100% committed to the cause...
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Jan 25 2010, 01:44 AM
OK This is in response to a thread that has been recently closed! It seems some members are getting slated because they haven't attended demo's! So f**ing what so long as they support the cause of the EDL. They are here aren't they? They show interest and from what I have seen will promote the EDL anyway they can! Would you rather swap them for pieces of dirt that smash up innocent peoples property?

OK I joined a couple of weeks ago and I whole heartedly support the cause! I however do not support hangers on who do not give a s**t and are there just for a piss up and fight! Those who I have seen targeted do not fall into that category!

I didn't go to the Stoke demo! Why?

1) My kid stops at weekends (Non Negotiable)
2) I have just started a legal battle for residency (Don't need any extra problems, i.e demo, wrong place at wrong time and up the creek - Non Negotiable)
3) I ain't got the money at the mo

However if and when those circumstances change you can guarantee I might change my mind (Why might? A: I don't want to put myself in a position that could cause me problems with #2)

I may not be able to attend demo's at the moment but that DOES NOT put me in a position where I cannot help out! I will put everything in, if that means getting people onside, delivering/distributing leaflets, designing logo's etc and even putting a hand in with the IT if and when I am trusted! There is at least 3 members on this site who know who I am and how I have helped out on other sites with good causes and how dedicated I am!

My point is that just because someone doesn't turn up to demo's doesn't mean they are not 100% dedicated or a f**ing troll as has been said! They can contribute in other ways so don't knock them!

ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL - NO SURRENDER!
Well said DaveUK

I have the same and many similar cicumstances

But

Give me a Gun

N u will find me more likely to point it at Raj Khan his bro Matt Wali and their friends than U!
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I think the violence needs to stop before I attend. Don't want to be involved in such a group otherwise.
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TheEnglishmanDylan
Jan 25 2010, 02:39 AM
I think the violence needs to stop before I attend. Don't want to be involved in such a group otherwise.
Mate it aint as bad as you see on the telly.

Otherwise we'd all come out of there with broken arms etc. Truth is, for the vast vast vast majority it is a good day out, with no problems whatsoever.
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Jan 25 2010, 02:51 AM
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Jan 25 2010, 02:39 AM
I think the violence needs to stop before I attend. Don't want to be involved in such a group otherwise.
Mate it aint as bad as you see on the telly.

Otherwise we'd all come out of there with broken arms etc. Truth is, for the vast vast vast majority it is a good day out, with no problems whatsoever.
i 2nd this
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Jan 25 2010, 02:24 AM
I understand why people may or may not attend demos, I've only been too Nottingham + Stoke, I joined up well before but since im only 16 my parents wouldn't allow me to go to one until it was local, that went well hence why I was allowed to go to Stoke, so I understand why some can't attend HOWEVER.

Those who sit and rant on and on about how badly behaved we all were, even though it was a TINY minority who were, and start thread after thread can make some tempers flair.

I wouldn't of sat and critisised none stop until i'd of been in the same position or to a demo, opinions are great but when people are calling those who went names and giving them pure s**t, then thats just bang out of order.
I live on the other side of the Atlantic which somewhat rules out attending a demo but appreciate the general acceptance on here for those of us who just follow things on the internet.
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I have only been to nottingham, However I try and put all my effort into my post to try and inspire people.
If the Goverment had listened to the British and white working class concern about Islam in British and White working class communities than maybe the EDL would not of formed. All we want is a voice to express our opinions without being regarded a "racist" or "islamaphobe" but then again the goverment depends on devision in poor communities.

Freedom is not free.
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Jan 25 2010, 04:17 AM
I have only been to nottingham, However I try and put all my effort into my post to try and inspire people.
I like that, better to drag people up than put people down B-)

It's easier to destroy than it is to create. B-)

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Jan 25 2010, 02:36 AM
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Jan 25 2010, 02:34 AM
I didn't attend Stoke because I don't see the point of a static demo in a small town. Also I didn't want to be kettled and don't agree with meeting in a pub and drinking at demos.
but other than that you are 100% committed to the cause...
Definately. I was in manchester. The other reason is my work (I work for a local authority) and the fact the edl is still seen as bnp and now violent. I'm also invloved with the conservatives and spend a lot of time educating people there on the evils of islam which given they are likely the next government I think is a good thing
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Jan 25 2010, 09:26 AM
Definately. I was in manchester. The other reason is my work (I work for a local authority) and the fact the edl is still seen as bnp and now violent. I'm also invloved with the conservatives and spend a lot of time educating people there on the evils of islam which given they are likely the next government I think is a good thing
I'm a former (Conservative) party member myself :)
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Quote: I'm a former (Conservative) party member myself :)

You poor sod ! :P
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I've never been to a demo, but I'm only 16 (turned last month) I probably should have gone Notts, but I was busy on that weekend and didn't realize the train was only a fiver. Whenever there is a Leicester demo, I will be there all day supporting the EDL cause.
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At the moment the EDL is like a headless chicken trying to find its way home,wandering all over the place and never arriving at the right destination.When it decides to go to the root cause of the problem I wil bel more than willing to attend but shouting abuse at a bunch of Trots in Manchester or Stoke has little to do with fighting Islamic extremism.Try the Saudi Embassy or outside of Jack Straws home in Blackburn and you just might make an impact.I used to attend demos when the majority of people on this forum were in nappies and they were far more violent that Stoke but everyone there believed in what they were doing and didn't spend all day drinking.I doubt if some of those who attended Stoke have a clue of what Sharia is about and couldn't tell the difference between a Sikh,hindu or Muslim.And to the moderator:if you don't like my comments then ban me as I don't intend changing them.
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No people shouldnt be slated for not attending demos (circumstances dependant). There are many ways to help the EDL's cause. Writing letters, e-mailing police, politicians debating the great unwashed to make them see the error of their ways etc etc

ALL these things help immensely.

The demos of course are the front line in our battle. Without them we have no voice.
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Yeah Agreed some lads from kent couldnt go coz their other halfs gave them the ultimatum of if you go we are finished,

Their Loss for a great day out but just coz they cant make it coz of lack of money or whatever doesnt mean they have gave up the fight

if that was the case we woulda had 3500+

In anycase lads we cant afford to start bitching with each other we gotta stick together
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I agree. I think the frustration comes when people who don't attend demos start to make up their minds by reading the left wing msm reports.

We need to stop jumping the gun until the TRUTH comes out.
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Jan 25 2010, 09:38 AM
I'm a former (Conservative) party member myself :)
lol really. With any party now?
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I'm a former (Conservative) party member myself :)
lol really. With any party now?
does it really matter ?

we are here regardless of political view / party members vote for.

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Jan 25 2010, 12:42 PM
I agree. I think the frustration comes when people who don't attend demos start to make up their minds by reading the left wing msm reports.

We need to stop jumping the gun until the TRUTH comes out.
Aye don't Believer every bit of thing you read on the net.

i noticed after stoke News of the world made a huge balls up of their backlash against us. (said only 300 EDL members and 1500 UAF turned out hahaha :P )

but its not worth getting frustrated you need to encourage
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Thought I would add my two p`s worth. I haven`t got a problem with people who can`t get to a demo. But, Its annoying to the people that do go when they get back on here and say whats happpened - some, and it is only some - people say `it didn`t happen like that` - after reading blogs and seeing clips. We are all in this together, some can go - others can`t. Thats life.
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NO ONE IS AGAINST ANYONE WHO DONT TURN UP , SOMEONE GOT THE POINT WRONG

ITS PISSING PEOPLE OFF WITH OPINIONS ON THE PEOPLE WHO TURN UP SLATING THEM FOR DOIN THIS DOIN THAT THEN STARTING TO SLAG THEM OFF WITH PEOPLE SAYING DELETE MY ACCOUNT IM ASHAMED ,ETC ETC OF YOU GUYS AND NEVER ONCE TURNED UP THERESELVES !!!

I WAS DRUNK INFACT LEATHERED , AND TOOK A PM WRONG WAY ROUND AND IT SET ME OFF ,

cos there was some dickheads there and did kind of ruin it for others , people jump on everyone else who HAVE NEVER BEEN NEVER KNOWN WHAT ITS LIKE AND WHY PEOPLE REACT, start giving there oppinion like there some EDL moderator ,
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Jan 25 2010, 02:39 AM
I think the violence needs to stop before I attend. Don't want to be involved in such a group otherwise.
again the violence !!!! if you see it walk away from it ,

theres always gonna be violence at any demo , UAF ARE f**kERS FOR IT but edl get blame , do you think these old ladies and 15 yr old kids whoeen brain washed go to demos for the violence ?

it happens
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so those who where getting KNOCKED cos i gather it my post , WAS THE ONES CALLING THE EDL A f**kIN DISGRACE ETC ETC but never ever been the demo and took left wing bollocks to heart ,
i only find baldy monster has the right to say anything as hes a forum moderator hes helped 100 percent in this cause etc etc and he was let down
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lets not forget .... the violence caused by the stop the ban to fox hunting demostrators .. not exactly the 'working class thugs' but still the point is .. where there is a large gathering of people feeling passionatly about something, a few will let things gets to their heads ... not helped by the kettle makes people pissed off ...

ever see what happens to a polar bear when its caged for too long, a cat even ... you know ... restricting space, freedom of movement is like putting a lid on a pan of boiling water .. some steam will try to break out, and it does .....
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Jan 25 2010, 12:45 PM
lol really. With any party now?
No mate, I am still a Tory voter, but I left the party a long time ago when I went to work abroad and just never bothered with it again.
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Let me know of anything I can do for the EDL via my pc. If I do get in the army in september, I will still carry on the fight, hopefully getting my platoon involved as well.
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Jan 25 2010, 01:16 PM
lets not forget .... the violence caused by the stop the ban to fox hunting demostrators .. not exactly the 'working class thugs' but still the point is .. where there is a large gathering of people feeling passionatly about something, a few will let things gets to their heads ... not helped by the kettle makes people pissed off ...


I was at that demo and the police were the ones who started it.It was mainly working class blokes,terrier men and such like and as my oldman had been a gamekeeper I felt I should support them.The toffs kept out of it but one or two did get stuck in when they realised that New Labour had told the police to give the huntsmen a good kicking.These terrier men are some of the most violent men I have ever met and it would take more than a smack in the face with a shield or baton to the head to get thme to retreat.They were angry,seriously angry and wanted to rip the police apart.
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i could not attend because i am disabled and been waiting for a new knee for over 2 years when the wonderful national health service gets its arse into gear and i get mobile again i will be there
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Jan 25 2010, 02:02 PM
i could not attend because i am disabled and been waiting for a new knee for over 2 years when the wonderful national health service gets its arse into gear and i get mobile again i will be there
If you keep on at the GP, once they refer you to a specialist - it is supposed to be done within 18 weeks. eep complaining to your doc, you will get somewhere.
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I have been guilty of critizizing a few people who don't go to demos, i fully understand that some people can't but there are lots of other things they could be doing like making promo videos etc or whatever your paticular skils are. The ones that piss me off are the ones that do absoutly nothing apart from critisize others on the forum, that can get to fuck as far as im concerned.
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There was a guy there with a disablity scooter, did anyone speak to him? I wanted to but felt as though I'd be being patronising or something like that. He definitely seemed to be enjoying himself though
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thanks for that mj
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Who put my title as "Armchair division"? ^o)
I may criticize the EDL a bit, but I support the cause 100%.
Armchair division. I may not go to demos, but I'm there in spirit.
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Jan 25 2010, 02:24 AM

point aside, i think there are plenty of peopel in these forums that do a very good job, who do not go to the demo's .... the biggest fight for us is the PR one, and thats ongoing 24/7 .... alot of guys on here are doing it everyday and to me is a remarkable thing, and it is just as critical of a role as that of those that go to the demo's themselves....
exactly right mate
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There was a guy there with a disablity scooter, did anyone speak to him? I wanted to but felt as though I'd be being patronising or something like that. He definitely seemed to be enjoying himself though
Ahhhh, bless him.
Can we have a scooter division, do you think? B-)
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GOOD IDEA :D
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Jan 25 2010, 02:11 PM
Who put my title as "Armchair division"? ^o)
Might have been southwestEDL, is he still moaning and taking his anger out on people from the other day? Probably....

Whoever it is grow the f**k up mod and don't go putting any bollocks by my name.....
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All positive! It seems the general consensus is that if you genuinely cannot attend and are doing something constructive for the EDL and not just sitting criticising there are no problems. As has been said there are other things that can be done, i.e promoting the EDL around the net and on the streets amongst other things.

Saying that, it doesn't mean that I will never attend a demo. When I get the crap sorted out in my life and I have the means I will be there. If and when there is one in Newcastle I am sure I will be there as its just up the road!

Lastly, last night a bottle of red and a few cans didn't help and I did PM a member on another forum to sort out the deletion of my account here. If admin/mods receive the request, please ignore it! Thanks
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