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Static demo v march
Topic Started: Jan 24 2010, 02:32 PM (140 Views)
meaty
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It seems to me a key problem is that people turning up

1. Don't understand that it is a static demo and
2. Want to march.

And there you have the built in conflict with the police. They have to prevent an unauthorised march vs people thinking they have come all this way and are being stopped from demonstrating.

Either future protests should be marches, or it needs to be made very clear it is a staic demo and people who want to march should not attend. If you look at the stoke information that was not made clear. Any thoughts? Personally I think people get bored, restless and the feeling of being penned in with a static demo and you don't get to put your message across to many people. What is the point of preaching to the converted in a side street in a small town?


Here's a selection of facebook messages to prove the point:
Oli Beck: i've had enough with the police. they wont let you march they surround you with vans and riot officers.
Steve Robinson: when ur go on a march ur comin up against the biggest firm in britain the PIGS !!
Michael Edl Kelly: It was more of a stand still then a protest , we were made to stand in the same spot for hours being caged in by these freemasons
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Totally agree. the lads want to March. but OB likely to oppose this thus we should rething tactics and do quick leafletting raids into shopping areas etc without telling OB we are coming 100 to 200 lads for eg, enough to get the message across that can attract more to the cause...
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Our protests are static as we wouldnt be given permission to march. However when we are allowed to march (like manchester), there is no trouble. To me the answer is simple. Let us have a supervised march.
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Common sense says let us march and stop the kettling. No police line means no one to charge.
However you vcan but only wonder what the OB real agenda is as they keep using the kettling to get a reaction.
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That was my first demo sat so cant comment on other demos but i think you make a very good point meaty
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I wasn't there yesterday but was watching the live feeds until they stopped so if there are any reasons why what i am thinking is wrong then please accept my apologies. I was watching and i was thinking to myself what the fook are people going to do once the speaches etc stop? Not condoning anything about yesterday but really, can you put 3000 people in one place and then after an hour think "Ok thats it thanks for coming" ?

Someone mentioned this in another thread and I know that it would take some organising and financial input but having a short march followed by some kind of rally (for a few hours) in say a park in the summer would lead to a lot less of an aggressive atmosphere and give people the chance to disperse during the day over a period of time.

Don't know if that makes sense or if its feasible but those are my thoughts.
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njh1972
Jan 24 2010, 06:00 PM
I wasn't there yesterday but was watching the live feeds until they stopped so if there are any reasons why what i am thinking is wrong then please accept my apologies. I was watching and i was thinking to myself what the fook are people going to do once the speaches etc stop? Not condoning anything about yesterday but really, can you put 3000 people in one place and then after an hour think "Ok thats it thanks for coming" ?

Someone mentioned this in another thread and I know that it would take some organising and financial input but having a short march followed by some kind of rally (for a few hours) in say a park in the summer would lead to a lot less of an aggressive atmosphere and give people the chance to disperse during the day over a period of time.

Don't know if that makes sense or if its feasible but those are my thoughts.
I do think that is a very valid point that you have raised about what to do after demo finishes, when u have large amount of people.
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Jan 24 2010, 06:00 PM
Someone mentioned this in another thread and I know that it would take some organising and financial input but having a short march followed by some kind of rally (for a few hours) in say a park in the summer would lead to a lot less of an aggressive atmosphere and give people the chance to disperse during the day over a period of time.
Spot on. I was on the march in manchester as well and people are much happier when they are moving as they feel they are getting somewhere. Finish it up with a rally with speeches (with a proper sound system). This is what many groups do in London eg from Hyde Park to trafalgar square. To get agreement from the police the march would probably have to have proper orgnaisation and stewarding, which is exactly what people are saying we should have. And no meeting in pubs!! We have to design out these problems. Not only would this result in less trouble, it would get the message across to more people.
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as i posted else where. in manchester we were marched out by the police low level of violence, leeds there was a nearly unsupervised march through town 3 arrests, the facts speak for themselves, why are we not allowed to march every counter protest by uaf as a feeder march and at stoke they marched away from their demo. we are being kettled for 2 reasons

isloting us from the public, both notts un stoke we were tucked away in a corner behind lines of 5 deep police presence then further police units vehicles stationed behind preventing the public even seeing our protest. we have a pa system that you can't hear from 10 ft away so what chance have the public got of hearing our message

second reason is obvious evidence as proven that kettling creates confrontation and this tactic as being questioned by many different observers not just regarding edl events. are the establishment creating a situation where they can justify banning edl events on grounds of public safety personally i think so

Edited by beowulf, Jan 24 2010, 06:58 PM.
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I thought we were marching also, I also heard lots of people wanting to march thats why a lot of surging ocured so we could break free and march.
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im sorry but standing on a street corner doesnt really get people to pay attention to the message. depending on camera shot media can claim less numbers than actually attended.
and as stated if we marched then those idiots that only came for a fight would not have found the chance where as the kettling we found happening (wich i thought was banned) forced us into a heated situation then the uaf are allowed to march up a few hundred yards away this smacks of police tactics to make us into the bad guys the media portray us as
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Jan 25 2010, 12:10 AM
and as stated if we marched then those idiots that only came for a fight would not have found the chance where as the kettling we found happening (wich i thought was banned) forced us into a heated situation then the uaf are allowed to march up a few hundred yards away this smacks of police tactics to make us into the bad guys the media portray us as
Did EDL apply for a march?
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I've just found out from Staffordishire police that the EDL did NOT apply for a march, they applied for a static demo. So all the people on here and facebook moaning about double standards, moaning about not being allowed to march are wrong.

It is clear from comments here and videos from the demo that people wanted to march. The fact they were all confined in one place is the fault of the edl leadership not the police. The message that no march was allowed was also not stated on the stoke demo info on this site.
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The police know that when we are allowed to march there is no trouble, so more people will want to join our cause. However if were standing still and it all kicks off, people will be put off and the EDL will come over as a racist bunch of thugs on the news. Its Government tactics.
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Jan 25 2010, 09:07 PM
The police know that when we are allowed to march there is no trouble, so more people will want to join our cause. However if were standing still and it all kicks off, people will be put off and the EDL will come over as a racist bunch of thugs on the news. Its Government tactics.
Did you read the last post!? We did not apply for a march!
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the fact we did not apply to march is a shame and perhaps in hindsight the wrong thing to do.
standing a on a street corner isnt going to get anything changed and as it keeps us hemmed in after many people have been drinking then tempers flare and lo and behold the minority reverted to media type casting. i belive police tactics is the main reason things kicked off on sat. march or no march
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Well i think what some people have to renember is that we are still an organisation in its infancy, we are all learning, you think that we all know the correct way to go about this? do you? the simple fact is nobody f**king knows, not the OB or anyone.
I guess what i am gettin at is that we, the EDL members, need to use our heads stick together an all do our bit, whatever that maybe, dont just come on the forums an complain and bitch between each other, because that will solve even less.
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