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EDL Tommy Robinson on Asian Network today, LINK, FULL; indian sikh wants to join!
Topic Started: Jan 21 2010, 11:35 PM (789 Views)
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Jan 24 2010, 02:02 PM
Most 'ethnics' in England, from my own experience, classify themselves as 'British', not 'English'.
Doesn't that prove the point? We want more ethnics to join and the name is putting them off. Secondly, a lot of racists are attracted to edl becuae of the word "english". I've had people on facebook telling me thats why thy like it, cause only white can be english
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meaty
Jan 24 2010, 02:06 PM
rudyard
Jan 24 2010, 02:02 PM
Most 'ethnics' in England, from my own experience, classify themselves as 'British', not 'English'.
Doesn't that prove the point? We want more ethnics to join and the name is putting them off. Secondly, a lot of racists are attracted to edl becuae of the word "english". I've had people on facebook telling me thats why thy like it, cause only white can be english
It's bugger all to do with the name! If you find some racist twat on fb, then PM an admin. Do you think non-White dancers would refuse to join the 'English National Ballet' because of the word 'English'? Do you think non-White people don't like to speak 'English'? Do you think non-White people have a problem living in 'England'? Get over it please. If you find someone who doesn't want to join the EDL because of the word 'English', let me know and I'll talk to them - otherwise give it a rest; the name is not changing.
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I think that answers the critics on these boards asking who are / where are the EDL leaders?
Against some stiff questions from the interviewer and guests Tommy came across as factual, reasonable and upfront.
It really brings home that we now all need to stop discussing our individual politics as this is lending credence to the claim this is a neo right wing org and those who bait the BNP symapathisers also need to talke heed.
Great stuff Tommy, a lot of questions answered for all sides.
British by Birth, English by the grace of God
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Ingy is partially correct in some respects, that's all I'm saying.

Oh and Ingy, about Abdul.

He's not Indian, nor is he a sikh or hindu. He is actually Pakistani but not muslim, he denouced his religion I think. He said to me at Notts I quote he was "Protestant" but then said he had "no beliefs" so he's either protestant (like most Rangers fans) or he's just an atheist?

Fair play to him though the guy is a true patriot, he is the type of immigrant that I'm bloody happy to have living here, he's a top lad!
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Jan 24 2010, 05:14 PM
Ingy is partially correct in some respects, that's all I'm saying.

Oh and Ingy, about Abdul.

He's not Indian, nor is he a sikh or hindu. He is actually Pakistani but not muslim, he denouced his religion I think. He said to me at Notts I quote he was "Protestant" but then said he had "no beliefs" so he's either protestant (like most Rangers fans) or he's just an atheist?

Fair play to him though the guy is a true patriot, he is the type of immigrant that I'm bloody happy to have living here, he's a top lad!
I have no issue with Abdul, but would if he claimed my identity, just as a Pakistani would if I claimed their identity i.e. they would no doubt find it either insulting or hilariously stupid if I as an Englishman tried to claim their Pakistani identity.
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The 'English National Ballet' organisation aims are to teach something 'English' - 'English Ballet' but any ethnic group can join in as long as they know that they are there for the main objective of the organisations namesake - 'ENGLISH Ballet'. So there is an 'English' name due to the connection of its aims being connected to something 'English'

What is the main connection with the EDL's namesake 'ENGLISH' with what they do?
The English National Ballet Teaches/promotes something 'English' - 'English Ballet' hence the name.
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Ingy what is the point of all this.

I remmber your first point on this forum saying you wanted to help at leadership level
but wanted to know the leader names before you gave them your invaluable experience of how you lead your rag tag one man band .

now your bent on trying to discredit the leader of this group because you say hes not english

I think your just a jealous person

end off
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It is a fact that the majority of immigrants be them 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation to England do not consider themselves English... read this part of a 'Commission for Racial Equality' Report...

Citizenship and belonging: What is Britishness?

IDENTIFICATION WITH BRITISHNESS
While the content of ‘Britishness’ was shared across most groups, there
were important differences in the ways in which participants personally
related to, and identified with, Britishness.
As UK passport holders, all the participants knew they were British
citizens, but not everyone attached any value significance to being
British. In Scotland and Wales, white and ethnic minority participants
identified more strongly with each of those countries than with Britain.
In England, white English participants perceived themselves as English
first and as British second, while ethnic minority participants perceived
themselves as British; none identified as English, which they saw as
meaning exclusively white people. Thus, the participants who identified
most strongly with Britishness were those from ethnic minority
backgrounds resident in England.

Yet the EDL are constantly calling for ethnic minorities to join which will always prove to be un-productive.... i.e. you have only attracked the odd one or two ethnic minorities... there are no mass of ethnic minorities joining in on marches I have only seen one or two at best.

Why not call upon ethnic minorities to create their own ethnic groups protest group rather than asking them to join yours? this would be deemed as more acceptable and more productive maybe?

Or are you doing this to appear all inclusive so as to stop the racist acusations as you fear the racist acusation and do not know how to handle it? which I can understand but can help you with, noting that you have not yet stopped the racist acusation and believe me you view never will do.
Even if you called yourself the 'Multi-Ethnic Defence League' you would still recieve the racist acusation because of what you are protesting against... you will never ever avoid it, as there are plenty of brain-washed, liberal traitors who will not have you oppossing Muslims,
they are controled by the anti-English British state with years of cleansing and propoganda to control them to do this.... the EDL with its all inclusive promotion is partly mind controled by the British state due to years of its traitorous, anti-English, liberal, brainwashing and cleansing of the English... you simply need to know how to handle the racist acusation, as you won't ever stop it, which I would like to help you with and I speak with huge expereance of handling the far left and the media.
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Juat wondered if any one on here deems these organisations racist as they discriminate against the English by aiming their concerns at non-English ethnic groups only, with English not able to join or benefit from these organisations...

Firstly, here is the top ten most charity represented ethnic / racial origin groups (based on the number of charities) .... as followed...

Jewish about 1200
African 673
Bangladeshi / Bengali 417
Asian 331
Somali 215
India 209
Caribbean 198
Chinese 164
Black 144*
Pakistani 92
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Secondly here are many organisations that discriminate against the English, with many basing their focus on colour of skin.

Miss Black Great Briton
Black Police federation
Black Housing federation
Miss India UK
Black Cinema
100 Great Black Britons
Afro Introductions
BMEspark
Socialist Party Black and Asian Group
100 Black Men of London
Blink - Black Information Link
Black Training and Enterprise Group
City of London Black Police Association
Black Jewish Forum
London Black Carers Workers
Metropolitan Black Police Association
National Council of Black Led Organisations
Operation Black Vote
NUS Black Students Campaign
Black History Month
Black Socialist Society
Black Filmmaker
Federation of Black Housing Organisations (FBHO)
Nehanda Black Women’s Organisation
Black Londoners Forum
Black Police Association
Black Training and Enterprise Group
Black Women's Health and Family Support
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Are any of these racist for having their own groups for their own people?
Do any of the people these groups represent feel ashamed or embarressed? No they look you in the eye every single day whilst discriminating against you with no guilt what so ever.... and we English should do the same
and this does not mean any one ethnic group or colour hates any one, it just means we are all looking after our own, focusing on our own, which is human nature, it is about loving your own not hating your own......any objections?
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ingy this is a multi racial group why are you encouraging people to discriminate against people who are a different colour to them what do you hope to acheieve?
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Well played Tommy. Sikhs are the ones who we need to get on our side, they love there Indian roots but love our country and traditions as well.
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Ingy
Jan 22 2010, 11:07 AM
The so called NF supporter who you have no evidence of being an NF supporter was me
I think this is hilarious in itself!!

I can't seem to play it in the States, but thanks for the synopsis, P.E.L.!
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charlie
Jan 25 2010, 11:27 AM
Ingy what is the point of all this.

I remmber your first point on this forum saying you wanted to help at leadership level
but wanted to know the leader names before you gave them your invaluable experience of how you lead your rag tag one man band .

now your bent on trying to discredit the leader of this group because you say hes not english

I think your just a jealous person

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Charlie,

I feel that you miss-understand me.....I'm not trying to discredit any one.... and Tommy Robinson by his own admission stated his parents are both Irish... make of that what you will.

I am trying to help concerning the identity issue, and would a jelous man applaud the hard worK and success of the EDL? ( which I have done on here and else where ) look at my main page on facebook, I defended Tommy Robinson when some on insinuated that he was a twat, because I do not think that some one who has organised a protest group that has already in its infancy stopped Anjem Chaudrey and his mob from marching on London is a twat... these are not actions of a twat, but in fact a decent inteligent man.

No jelousy here mate, in fact I can learn from the EDL's organisation skills and maybe they can learn from my identity input which will help you actually gain more support and will have you far less pushed into a corner being attacked by your own who see you making grave insutling mistakes with the identity issue.
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villaEDL
Jan 25 2010, 12:03 PM
ingy this is a multi racial group why are you encouraging people to discriminate against people who are a different colour to them what do you hope to acheieve?
villaEDL,

I feel you also miss-understand me.... where am I encouraging people to discriminate against people who are a different colour?

I hope to achieve an understanding of identities and then move on by uniting these identities together against one common enemy.... what is wrong with that?


If the Group is a multi-racial group them why on earth is it called the 'ENGLISH' Defenece League ?

This is decieving and quite insulting to the English identity.

I have put forward an idea on how to handle the identity issue because as it stands it is full of holes that English nationalists and every day English folk can and do rip to bits and then do not suport you.... if you want to carry on that way then fine but you are making unnescecery enemies of your own people and will forever not have more support than you could have? This is a poor strategic action from an organisation that I thought had far more inteligence than that.
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Ingy
Jan 26 2010, 10:04 AM
If the Group is a multi-racial group them why on earth is it called the 'ENGLISH' Defenece League ?
Is it just me that thinks you're just taking the piss now? The inhabitants of England are made up of many races. Did you not read the quote from the dictionary?

English = The people of England collectively

I look forward to reading your idea as I am sure its gonna be interesting to read if nowt else! :ermm:
Edited by Bob England, Jan 26 2010, 10:15 AM.
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Jan 25 2010, 12:08 PM
Well played Tommy. Sikhs are the ones who we need to get on our side, they love there Indian roots but love our country and traditions as well.
I am not disputing this... although do you see masses of Sikhs joining in on marches? No just the one.... they will not join the EDL on mass, they would maybe create their own Indian Sikh anti Islamic extremist protest group which you will no doubt not deem as racist for wanting to stick to their own but do towards the English... not that they will even bother to do this anyway and if did it now it would only be due to the likes of myself pointing out their apathy and pushing them into taking action etc

Your call for diversity and stating that you are a multi-ethnic group in the name of the ENGLISH is doing the job of the anti-English British state, one minute you are in the nationalist arena oppossing Islamic extemists the next minute you are siding with the British state in diluting the English identity???? This raises huge suspicion and causes your own to have grieviance with you.

I feel you are all terified of the racist acusation and it is cringe worthy watching you run from it controled by the liberals in the UAF etc that you dispise!

You are supporting diversity now which is a policy of your enemy... how long before you support more of your enemy policies? how long befor they have you appeasing Islamic extemists?

Call for all identities to tackle IUslamic extremists by all means.... but do not call all identities as being English because the English will defend from this liberal anti-English British state action that is meant to dilute our unique English identity.

Are you declearing that the EDL are here to dilute the English identity?
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Jan 26 2010, 10:14 AM
Ingy
Jan 26 2010, 10:04 AM
If the Group is a multi-racial group them why on earth is it called the 'ENGLISH' Defenece League ?
Is it just me that thinks you're just taking the piss now? The inhabitants of England are made up of many races. Did you not read the quote from the dictionary?

English = The people of England collectively

I look forward to reading your idea as I am sure its gonna be interesting to read if nowt else! :ermm:
Yes the English are the people of England but they are not a multi-ethnic people, they are one ethnic group and were recognised as such in the Test Census 2007.

Yes England is full of different ethnic groups... and if the Pakistani ethnic group set up a group called the 'Pakistani Cricket club' do you think it would be a multi-ethnic Club? no it would be for Pakistani's.
If the Polish ethnic group set up an organisation called the 'Polish shop club' do you think it would be a multi-ethnic group club? No it would be for the Polish.

You have read something out of a British states Dictionary and believe it to be the exact definition of what English means... this is the Brtitish state that bought you Muslim extremists and here you are using their propaganda against the English? whilst you proffess to be an 'English' organisation.
By all means use British state info in favour of the English but using their info as a tool to dilute the English identity is something to be greatly ashamed of especially if you are English as you are assisting the cleansing of your own people, this is called traitorism and if you are not English then this would be considered as borderline racism.

By all means call it the 'England Defence League' as this does not suggest that it is specifically for the English.
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Your biggest enemy - Anjem Chaudrey has kids which I believe are born in England... do you consider his kids as English too because they were born here?
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Jan 26 2010, 12:57 AM
Ingy
Jan 22 2010, 11:07 AM
The so called NF supporter who you have no evidence of being an NF supporter was me
I think this is hilarious in itself!!
Would you like to explain why you find this hilarious?
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